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castaway$
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Wilburs Hole!
Anybody willing to give up th coordinates yet, I was given some but I caught nothing but hammer heads. Help a fellow nomad out!!! If you don't want to
post it U2U me i can keep a secret.
Live Indubiously!
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capt. mike
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its near mulege right?
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Diver
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It's the place I caught 3 YT, a 15 lb grouper and more in 2 hours ! 
I could tell you but then I'd have to ......
Actually, it took me 3 tries to find it with a depth/fish finder and no gps !
[Edited on 2-28-2009 by Diver]
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Pompano
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There is probably only one Wilbur's Hole.
The one I know is located off Pt. Conception about 5-6 miles east of the Mulege lighthouse.
castaway, I don't have the coordinates at hand for you, but you will find the hump with your sonar if you X the general area. Indeed, there may well
be a commercial panga or two anchored on it to show you the way..as happens quite often. Look for 15-20 high bumps of rocks over the surrounding
bottom.
Wilbur's Hole and nearby Harry's Reef are both good bottom structures and have produced fish like cabrilla, grouper, pinto, trigger,
snapper, linguada, and yellowtail to name a few. I started fishing those spots over 35 years ago..and they are still good choices.
If you have time, check out some of the other marked spots while out there. Brown marks the rockpiles. Red marks are for yellowtail spots.
If you want some bigger-than-average pintos, plus a good chance for grouper and yellowtail, check out the rockpile by Pta. Terasa. 225ft
bottom..rockpiles to 205ft. 4 oz. or heavier jigs/darts have always worked quite well for us.
Wind conditions look good for this coming Tuesday. We will be out there.
Good luck..tight lines.
[Edited on 3-1-2009 by Pompano]
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castaway$
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Thanks Pomp were hoping (if business allows) to get down there the end of this month and I need to get my fishing fix in.
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toneart
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Better hurry. The Seiners and Shrimpers are sweeping the floor in this area. There is a drastic reduction of fish from last year. Soon it will be dead
as the Bahia Conception. It never came back. We have petitioned for this to stop but still goes on. Apparently there isn't anything we can do to stop
it. We are watching them raping the environment every day. You can see them from the beach. Too sad to even enjoy one the great meals at El Patron.
You can't get them out of your open window view. They are there day and night.
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Sharksbaja
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It's the draggers that do the most damage.
Bastards imo.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Pompano
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castaway, please excuse this short hijack of your Wilbur's Hole post.
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Better hurry. The Seiners and Shrimpers are sweeping the floor in this area. There is a drastic reduction of fish from last year. Soon it will be dead
as the Bahia Conception. It never came back. We have petitioned for this to stop but still goes on. Apparently there isn't anything we can do to stop
it. We are watching them raping the environment every day. You can see them from the beach. Too sad to even enjoy one the great meals at El Patron.
You can't get them out of your open window view. They are there day and night. |
Tony...I know this situation bothers the heck out of you. You are not alone. It has bothered all the rest of us area fishermen for many decades. We
have protested, taken photos, gave rides to officials, and so on for almost 40 years....it is not going to change any time soon. We are thankful to
have the fishing we have left.
(Indeed, overfishing and habitat destruction is happening globally.
There are some bright areas though...the Oregon coast salmon fishing has improved dramatically the last few years..thanks to
enforcement of the laws. Also fresh water stocks in barbless managed areas of USA and Canada have made a comeback and lots of other
success stories.....but that's all for a different thread.)
Tony...maybe you better come out with us on Tuesday. We will try to put you in a better mood..and catch some fish. Believe me, the fish are still
around! We are headed for Pta. Terasa.
Just don't listen to Cypress!! 
Okay..back to Wilbur's Hole info.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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toneart
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Thank you Roger. I've been listening to the wrong people. You are always good when one needs a cheer up! It is hard to watch them them bottom scraping
though.
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Sharksbaja
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Well it was good up till last year.
Actually Roger they have closed the coast to salmon trolling due to low returns. On the upside, the Columbia fishery has improved dramatically.
Very strange indeed.
This week marks the first time sea lions will be trapped and killed up to the dam.
Oh, and they carved out a reserve/preserve for rockfish off Newport. Only they should have started doing staggered closures 30 years ago.
[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Sharksbaja]
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Well it was good up till last year.
Actually Roger they have closed the coast to salmon trolling due to low returns. On the upside, the Columbia fishery has improved dramatically.
Very strange indeed.
[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Sharksbaja] |
I should have been more clear, Corky. I knew the Oregon coast was closed due to an anomaly..rather poor salmon stocks this past year..I say anomaly
because it was a surprising event in the face of a good build-up since 2001. As you might know in your cafe business, the whole Oregon Coast is
suffering the repercussions of the broadest salmon shutdown ever in those waters...(the feds shut it down from Astoria to the Baja Norte border)..but
it was for a good sound reason and very necessary to protect the species.
For now rockfish charters are the future which the coastal towns will depend on to bring in thier sportfishing revenue ..Time to diversify, for sure.
Can you say dune buggy, casinos, chain-saw sculpturing, car shows, and golf?
But unfortunately in places like Astoria, Florence and Winchester Bay, the really good rockfishing is out past the 40 fathom line. One of my favorite
villages on the globe is Winchester Bay, but that town is devasted by the ocean salmon shutdown. They make thier livings from ..recreational 'salmon'
fishing. The only thing left for most is river fishing and let's hope that at least that can continue.
It's wasn't all bad fishing news, though. One should always accentuate the positive! There were plenty of fish caught last year, including rockfish,
halibut, albacore.. and even a small amount of coho from the Cape Falcon waters south of Astoria. I believe they reached the 9000 fish limit.
Last summer and early fall, I fished Oregon's coast and then inland rivers and lakes. Again, mostly offshore rockfish, along with some halibut and
albacore. These fish are now the mainstay of Oregon's offshore fishery, especially places like Garibaldi, Newport and Brookings.
As for salmon, we had great success with river fish at Winchester Bay where the Umpqua River meets the Pacific.
Even my old Baja buddy, Randy, catches them as this picture shows:
p.s. I am just ribbing him about the 'leech and cowbells' inscription.. Randy took this one with the regulation trolled cut-bait. He was a happy
camper.
Now ...Tuesday we might check out Wilbur's Hole on the way to Pta. Teresa rockpiles. We will have a report for you soon, castaway.
[Edited on 3-2-2009 by Pompano]
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Pescador
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The dragging is probably having some effect but is small in comparison to the spring activity where pangas come in with long gill nets and sweep the
yellowtail, cabrilla, and everything else that swims, while these fish are moving in to the shallows during spawn and pre-spawn. It used to be that
they were unable to hit these fish so hard, but now they use divers to move the nets toward center so that they can move over the rocks. Last spring,
I saw times when the pangas used to transport the fish from Tortuga, San Marcos, and other islands in the area, were so overloaded that they could
hardly make it to shore. And this happens day after day after day. The price gets so bad that they end up paying 5 or 6 pesos por kilo for
yellowtail and 12 or so for cabrilla. The pangas literally bring in everything from the reefs including bay bass, triggerfish, reef fish like parrot
fish and others, and any other sea life like lobster.
I have talked to Martin, who is head of the PESCA office in Santa Rosalia and his only response is that it is legal.
It would not take a Harvard MBA to figure that each 20 kilo yellowtail that brings 100 pesos would sure bring a lot more than that from
sportfishing, but this goes on. So it was no wonder that such few fish were caught during the Mulege tournament. Just wait till next year.
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Martyman
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Wow;
That's depressing
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
Wow;
That's depressing |
Only if you stay ashore.
See you at the rockpile. It's not about the fish.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Last summer and early fall, I fished Oregon's coast and then inland rivers and lakes. Again, mostly offshore rockfish, along with some halibut and
albacore. These fish are now the mainstay of Oregon's offshore fishery, especially places like Garibaldi, Newport and Brookings.
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I'm not sure the strategy of moving from salmon to rockfish is a good one. Those nice calicos we are getting at Asuncion are 15 year old fish. Calico
bass grow slowly I learned at a seminar this year. They're so abundant now in baja that you don't give it much thought.
Personally I hate those marine reserves. They won't even allow catch and release due to release mortality. What release mortality do you get in 30
feet of water. The whole thing has a powerful PETA odor.
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BajaBruno
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
Wow;
That's depressing |
Only if you stay ashore.
See you at the rockpile. It's not about the fish. |
Well said, Pomp. I hate to sound Platonic, but our attitude creates our reality.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Cypress
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An empty fish box is a Sea of Cortez reality.
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Pompano
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Wilbur's Hole recon - 4:30 AM Tuesday
About ready to head out the door for work. Today's job will take us from Serinadad ramp to Pt. Conception and then south to Pta. Teresa. About a
30-mile trip on that leg.
castaway and other interested fishermen: The damn draggers have nearly worn the tops off the rockpiles near Mulege so we don't put much hope in
finding any big schools of fish around Wilbur's Hole. But will give it good looksee when passing by.
God willing and the Cortez don't rise, I will post a fishing report later today or tomorrow.
Note: After the poker game yesterday, a few of us were discussing the fish..and angling..situation around Mulege. The mood was glum. The general
consensus was to sell the casas and move to Nicaraugua.....after a brief return to Asuncion.
shari...have you got room for a few fishermen, wives, dogs, and a couple cats who like Texas-Hold-Em?
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Cypress
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Pompano, Good Luck!
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castaway$
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Fishing is supposed to be good in Guatamala.
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