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San Quintin..Where the REAL Baja begins.

NoShoesRequired - 3-4-2009 at 08:59 PM

RE/MAX Baja Land Solutions is your source for residential, vacation, or investment real estate in
the San Quintin valley and south. We specialize in waterfront property and have lots available on
the beach from under $30,000 up to $15,000,000. Please look through our listing pages and if
you don't find what you're looking for, just let us know. Chances are we have it, and if not, we'll
find it for you.
Please Visit us at: www.bajalandsolutions.com

[Edited on 3-5-2009 by NoShoesRequired]

fishbuck - 3-4-2009 at 09:57 PM

What can you tell me about the property in Bahia El Morro? I heard that Orendain lost the property in court. Yet I see that he is still selling lots there.
How is that possible?

http://www.bajalandsolutions.com/bahiaelmorro.html





[Edited on 3-5-2009 by fishbuck]

Leo - 3-4-2009 at 10:14 PM

What's this? A commercial site/
Sell your crap on another channel

NoShoesRequired - 3-4-2009 at 11:00 PM

Fishbuck,
Thanks for writing.
No, Orendain did not lose the property in court. He still owns the available lots shown and can provide titles and title insurance.

Been to San Quintin lately?

Bajahowodd - 3-4-2009 at 11:09 PM

Your quoted prices are absolutely ridiculous in this current world economy. Post back when you can be serious.

fishbuck - 3-4-2009 at 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Fishbuck,
Thanks for writing.
No, Orendain did not lose the property in court. He still owns the available lots shown and can provide titles and title insurance.

Been to San Quintin lately?


Thank you! No I haven't been since Christmas and I miss it alot.

David K - 3-5-2009 at 06:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Leo
What's this? A commercial site/
Sell your crap on another channel


Take a look Leo, this IS on one of the classified ads forums of Baja Nomad for selling things: Baja Real Estate Available

NoShoesRequired - 3-5-2009 at 09:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Your quoted prices are absolutely ridiculous in this current world economy. Post back when you can be serious.



An acre+ of land on the Pacific Ocean for 30K and under..yes, that IS ridiculous! Seriously.


http://www.bajalandsolutions.com/WATERFRONT.html

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 10:05 AM

NoShoes...

Are you involved in the sales of ejido land in any way?

NoShoesRequired - 3-5-2009 at 10:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
NoShoes...

Are you involved in the sales of ejido land in any way?


Hi, Dennis - Yes, we are involved in some ejido lands-- But only in the right way.
Saludos


info@bajalandsolutions.com

Terry28 - 3-5-2009 at 10:23 AM

Shoeless,
I liked your site. I did not know there were so many new homes and sites developed in that area. We will be down to check it out in the future.
Any surf sites??

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Hi, Dennis - Yes, we are involved in some ejido lands-- But only in the right way.
Saludos


info@bajalandsolutions.com


Not trying to hold your shoeless feet to the fire but, in short, what is the right way?

k-rico - 3-5-2009 at 10:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Your quoted prices are absolutely ridiculous in this current world economy. Post back when you can be serious.



An acre+ of land on the Pacific Ocean for 30K and under..yes, that IS ridiculous! Seriously.


http://www.bajalandsolutions.com/WATERFRONT.html


I wish lot prices were always quoted in dollars / sq. meter, the common area measurement in Mexico (11 sq. ft. per sq. meter). An acre of land is 4048 sq. meters. At 30K per acre, thats about $7.50 a meter. That's reasonable but I place high value on the availability of electricty, water, and telephone, so maybe it's not cheap. A 1/4 acre lot at $7.50 a meter is more attractive. Plus, of course, you need to be real careful with oceanfront land because of the Federal Zone complications.

k-rico - 3-5-2009 at 10:59 AM

Also, BTW, traditionally the REAL baja begins at El Rosario because that's where the pavement used to end. But that's a nitpick.

bajadock - 3-5-2009 at 11:19 AM

As mentioned in past, I almost bought from Orendain at Pedregal/SQ. That area is wonderful.

I decided to live in the UNREAL Baja. ;)

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 11:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Also, BTW, traditionally the REAL baja begins at El Rosario because that's where the pavement used to end. But that's a nitpick.


Actually, it used to end on the south end of Maneadero.

I yield the floor to those old timers here who recall the days before asphalt was invented.
Skeet? Where are you?

[Edited on 3-5-2009 by DENNIS]

Barry A. - 3-5-2009 at 11:32 AM

Report from a fossil-------as I remember :rolleyes: in the late 50's, the pavement ended at San Vicente, and was a horrible graded and washboard, and sometimes muddy road on down to at least San Quintin-------beyond there I can't remember where the "two-track" started. :?:

Barry

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 11:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Report from a fossil-------as I remember :rolleyes: in the late 50's, the pavement ended at San Vicente, and was a horrible graded and washboard, and sometimes muddy road on down to at least San Quintin-------beyond there I can't remember where the "two-track" started. :?:

Barry



I don't know what I don't remember for sure, Barry, but my recollection of the early sixties was the end of pavement just south of Maneadero.
Let's put out a call for David K. He'll know.

Barry A. - 3-5-2009 at 11:46 AM

Si, or "Vince" would know also (if his memory is any better than ours) :lol:

I (and "Vince") went to the Meling Ranch in '54 and believe that we were on pavement to San Vicente, but I may be confused (????) :no:

Barry

Barry A. - 3-5-2009 at 12:24 PM

I did a little research (tho Google did not help me). In the 1962 addition of the LOWER CALIFORNIA GUIDE BOOK, by Gulick and Gerhard, they say the pavement extends to about 17 miles south of San Vicente ending at "arroyo Seco" in 1962------that jives better to what I remember, but I cannot confirm that it went that far in 1954--------------I seem to remember that the pavement ended in '54 at the deep wash just north of San Vicente, but of course not sure.

Then I checked the 1975 revised addition of the "BAJA CALIFORNIA GUIDEBOOK" by Wheelock and Gulick and on page 36 of that book it states, "By the mid-1930s, pavement from Tijuana was completed to Ensenada; and in the 1950s to Mexicali, San Vicente and San Felipe."

I rest me case (for now). :yes: :biggrin:

Barry

Barry

[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Barry A.]

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 12:58 PM

I guess in those days, when drinking cold beer was mandatory while driving, we were off the road more than on.
Still would like to hear what DK has to say. I thought we had been through this here in the past.
Oh well.......... Can't remember everything.

Thanks for the research, Barry.

k-rico - 3-5-2009 at 01:19 PM

that's what I get for repeating something I read here without confirming the info :yes:

NoShoesRequired - 3-5-2009 at 02:08 PM

Very interesting stuff-- the direction a thread can take reminds me of getting lost on iTunes. (Listeners Also Bought). I do appreciate the history however - and would even enjoy sitting around a table at bajadocks, beer in hand, listening, learning and laughing to the many stories. I have had the immense pleasure of sharing an amazing home-made meal with lamb, cooked (an uncooked) in various ways, while delighting in the many stories spoken by another, older I suspect, "Baja fossil" who settled here from Lebenon. Including numerous of yearly excursions with buddies to the end and back - in a Model A. I can not help but imagine these young explorers as I experience the navigation of roads/off roads/no roads/dunes/beaches/ all in a very reliable and comfortable Toyota 4Wd Tundra - with my reliable man at the wheel... Like so much of what I can learn about this beautiful Baja and her history-- I think it is maybe I was born too late... but each morning I wake up here, thankful I was born at all.
Thanks, gentlemen.
(I'll be responding to questions/comments by Terry28, k-rico and DENNIS a bit manana..)

NoShoesRequired - 3-5-2009 at 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Hi, Dennis - Yes, we are involved in some ejido lands-- But only in the right way.
Saludos


info@bajalandsolutions.com


Not trying to hold your shoeless feet to the fire but, in short, what is the right way?



No worries, Dennis.
I've dangled my tired toes over a flaming fire or two.
In short, this question is answered here:
http://www.bajalandsolutions.com/FAQs.html
#2 under FAQ's of our website.

Let me know if I can help you understand it better.

As much as we love to get into the rough, a smooth understanding is much coveted here. ;-)

DENNIS - 3-5-2009 at 03:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NoShoesRequired
Let me know if I can help you understand it better.



No. That was fine. Thanks.

David K - 3-5-2009 at 03:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
Also, BTW, traditionally the REAL baja begins at El Rosario because that's where the pavement used to end. But that's a nitpick.


This error has been put into print in a guidebook or two... Here are better facts:

Pavement didn't reach El Rosario until 1973...

Mama Espinoza, soon after the highway was built, made the famous quote: "Bad roads bring GOOD people... Good roads bring 'ALL KINDS' of people".

The highway was completed in November and inaugurated on Dec. 1. 1973.

When we made our summer trip in July, 1973, the pavement only reached the Mision San Fernando road, near El Progreso (about 40 miles from El Rosario)... and started again (in sections) around Punta Prieta to Villa Jesus Maria.

I have a first edition Lower California Guidebook (c1956) and the pavement ended at Arroyo Seco, 4 miles north of Colonet/ 73 miles south of Ensenada. In 1966, when we first drove to Cabo, it also ended there... and on return trips to San Antonio del Mar, west of Colonet the next couple of years... it ended there.

In 1970, extending the pavement began... and it reached Camalu.

In 1972, it reached San Quintin.

The newest section of highway, all done in 1973... started at Km. 0, San Quintin, where you notice the highway goes to the skinny width of 19 feet from the safer 22 or so feet before.
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In the southern territory, new highway construction speed was incredible.

In 1966, pavement began about 100 miles north of La Paz and ended just 10 miles south.

In 1970, pavement reached Cabo San Lucas and the new graded road reached Santa Rosalia with the section over the sierra still closed (Insurgentes to Ligui).

In 1972, pavement reached Santa Rosalia, a new ferry route to Guaymas was started, and new road work towards San Ignacio was underway!

I believe the notion about the 'real Baja' starting at El Rosario is because it is at the end of the phone or telegraph line... the last town of any size for a long ways... and most important... the BOOJUM TREES (Cirios) begin just south of there!

[Edited on 3-5-2009 by David K]

NoShoesRequired - 3-5-2009 at 03:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K


"Bad roads bring GOOD people... Good roads bring 'ALL KINDS' of people" - Mama Espinoza

This "" should be listed in the "Wise Women/ Wise Words" book - if there is one.. (if there isn't...I just may add it to my very long To Do list). Love it.

NoShoesRequired - 3-6-2009 at 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Terry28
Shoeless,
I liked your site. I did not know there were so many new homes and sites developed in that area. We will be down to check it out in the future.
Any surf sites??


Hi, Terry28 - Always nice to hear someone likes the site - and that they looked at it! Thanks.
If you plan a trip down, let us know.. If you have an interest in properties, we are always game to help get you to them to have a look . Our favorite 'past time we call work' is taking clients to remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean coastline. Haven't had anyone bring a surf board yet, but there are definately some of the best (and one very secret) surf breaks around. It has been told the surfers - once discovered - will strongly encourage you to never speak a word of this place...so I'm not talking. .. Have you noticed San Martin Island, just off the coast of SQ? ;-) It's stunning - and can be seen in many of our property listing pictures.

So, here are some reknown (and speakable) surf points in our area. We have available properties at all of these points. Take a look and look us up when you venture down.

http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/shipwrecks.asp http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/cabo-san-quintin.asp
http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/volcanoes.asp
http://www.bajasurfbreaks.com/seven-sisters.asp

wilderone - 3-9-2009 at 09:56 AM

"remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean coastline"

This is exactly Baja CA's highest and best use. Real Estate pimps should realize that and stop trying to exploit The Baja for their personal gain.

Mexicali_Kid - 3-23-2010 at 03:40 PM

I like it in the fake Baja. You can keep the real one.

Osprey - 3-23-2010 at 04:18 PM

FWIW my Gerhard and Gulick book says in 1961 the pavement went to 72 miles south of Ensenada.

baitcast - 3-23-2010 at 04:59 PM

I did Punta San Carlos which is 40 miles below El Rosario in 63 an I don,t remember anything :rolleyes:
Rob

sanquintinsince73 - 6-8-2010 at 09:55 PM

I have 30 hectares available for sale in San Quintin.

Carlos
(619) 215-4422

David K - 6-8-2010 at 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
FWIW my Gerhard and Gulick book says in 1961 the pavement went to 72 miles south of Ensenada.


I may have 'rouded-up'...

"I have a first edition Lower California Guidebook (c1956) and the pavement ended at Arroyo Seco, 4 miles north of Colonet/ 73 miles south of Ensenada. In 1966, when we first drove to Cabo, it also ended there... and on return trips to San Antonio del Mar, west of Colonet the next couple of years... it ended there."

I have seen a few 'articles' that keep saying El Rosario was at the end of the pavement... It never was, except maybe for a week as they were rapidly paveing south the year it reached there and was completed.

El Rosario was the 'frontier' town because it was the last place to get gas from a pump, buy groceries, etc. Also it was the end of the phone line/ telegraph line... and still is.

The road beyond El Rosario was not graded/ government maintained... just a single lane or a pair of deep ruts through the desert... Until one reached San Ignacio to Mulege. South of Mulege, once again you were on unimproved, hand made roads until you were between Comondu and Santo Domingo.

[Edited on 6-9-2010 by David K]

dean miller - 6-9-2010 at 04:12 AM

In December 1950 the road ended at the movie house which was near Hussongs --which was standing all alone on a dirt road.

sdm

Russ - 6-9-2010 at 06:53 AM

Back to the sales pitch.... Of what I can see those prices are cheap! I've got a 3/4+ acre (3445sq.m.) waterfront lot in Punta Chivato and the going price WAS $110/ sq. M. Over $300k. Now I'd be lucky to get half that.

[Edited on 6-9-2010 by Russ]

Osprey - 6-9-2010 at 07:03 AM

Hey, this old thread is interesting. Got me to thinkin' about my early travels down this way. Maybe I could qualify as one of those Baja Fossils. One of my early trips (BTP - before the pavement). I just walked across the border and kept going til I got to San Lucas. My female companion got blisters on her feet so I had to carry her from about Colonia Vicente (which then was just one shack). Water was way too heavy to take along when hiking and all there was available way back then was the freeze dried powdered water we filled all our pockets with. A big lizard took up with us at GN but we were slowing him down and when we hit Santa Rosalia he was already there on the beach, had built a tiny palapa down there.

wessongroup - 6-9-2010 at 07:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
"remote beach properties - feeding them lobster and clams, pitching the tents and hiking or driving/4W'in miles upon miles of available Pacific Ocean coastline"

This is exactly Baja CA's highest and best use. Real Estate pimps should realize that and stop trying to exploit The Baja for their personal gain.


ditto's.. now if I can only get my wife to agree to live in a tent.. :lol:

Osprey - 6-9-2010 at 07:24 AM

Oops, almost forgot how this thread began. When I was walkin' down to Cabo I saw a lot of signs near the beach for land for sale even way back then. The guy (or his agent -- I don't know which) had his name up on all the signs and he must have owned a ton of land. Funny name -- I think it was Gratis.

wessongroup - 6-9-2010 at 07:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by baitcast
I did Punta San Carlos which is 40 miles below El Rosario in 63 an I don,t remember anything :rolleyes:
Rob


thanks Rob.. thats the way I remember it too.. :lol::lol:

baitcast - 6-10-2010 at 12:38 PM

The highway into BOLA mid 60,s.

tiotomasbcs - 6-10-2010 at 02:04 PM

Realators should be put on a sinking ship with Travel writers & Attorneys! Giving links to surf locations is an afront to the Holy Grail. Imagine warm, sunny days in SQ, there are'nt many!

BajaWarrior - 6-10-2010 at 04:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by baitcast
The highway into BOLA mid 60,s.



You might be off by a few years, that's a 70's Dodge Van...

Skeet/Loreto - 6-10-2010 at 05:37 PM

Beware! Beware! Beware!\\All thexe "PUNK" so called Real Estate Sellers are just doing their usuall thing"Lying, Cheating and Stealing""!

Forget them and find you a good Notor0iea in Baja Sur and get the real "Scoope" about the Property you may want to buy.
It is very easy to get the information from the local Tax Office.

It is the same in the the States, these Theives will do anything to get you to put up money on a Property. DEAL WITH THE MEXICANOS Learn, their klanuage. You will fined that it is much more Honest than the States

Skeet/Loreto 1967 to 2003/

David K - 6-10-2010 at 05:54 PM

If anyone's interested... The new road to Bahia de los Angeles from Hwy. 1 was built in '74 and paving began in '76... the pavement was so thin, that it was pothole nightmare just a few years later. Patching up the mess was a long time coming. Brand new pavement, done the right way, came just a few years ago. In 2006, the Escalera Nautica funds were used to make turn outs every few miles, so cars could pull over as boats were ferried across the peninsula... (LOL)!

dtbushpilot - 6-10-2010 at 05:59 PM

I thought the turn outs were to let the boats pull over to let the cars go by.....naaaaaaa, that would make too much sense.....dt

David K - 6-10-2010 at 06:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I thought the turn outs were to let the boats pull over to let the cars go by.....naaaaaaa, that would make too much sense.....dt


Yah... I gave that version about a 2 seconds worth of thought! :lol::o

baitcast - 6-11-2010 at 08:37 AM

That 70,s Van followed me into Gonzaga in the late 60,s,maybe 68 or 69 I,m thinking.

Had to tow him the last 100'up the last sister,or maybe it was some other van:biggrin:
Rob