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Bobby Gordon possbile cheating in the Baja 250

desertcpl - 3-17-2009 at 08:53 AM

http://www.dirtnewz.com/events-09/sanfelipe/robbygordon-3-16...

elgatoloco - 3-17-2009 at 09:58 AM

Love the youtube documentation and the Johnny Cash soundtrack. It will be interesting to see how things develop. We were listening live to the radio relay during the race when things started looking fishy. It would seem that if you are going to take a shortcut as alleged that you should come in first,no? :biggrin:

David K - 3-17-2009 at 10:08 AM

In the old days, the goal was to get from the start to the finish as quickly as possible as long as you went through each checkpoint...

At the 250, no checkpoint was missed, so it depends on how the rules state about 'open running' between checkpoints. I would guess that SCORE didn't figure anyone would shortcut into Matomi canyon by driving off that cliff!

rpleger - 3-17-2009 at 10:54 AM

Shame on Robby....

Neal Johns - 3-17-2009 at 11:23 AM

Here is the course map if you want to take the shortcut. :o
http://www.score-international.com/webresources/files/1095/r...

bajalou - 3-17-2009 at 02:53 PM

And last year in a NASCAR race he was caught throwing roll bar padding out the window of his car to get debris on the track so there would be a Yellow flag on the lap and he could catch up.

tripledigitken - 3-17-2009 at 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by bajalou
And last year in a NASCAR race he was caught throwing roll bar padding out the window of his car to get debris on the track so there would be a Yellow flag on the lap and he could catch up.


Old school and I love it!:cool:

thebajarunner - 3-17-2009 at 05:48 PM

Looks to me like the man did what he had to do to get around a guy that did not want to get out of his way.
Hard to visualize that as "short-cut"
Seems like a pretty rugged path to run....
(If it was really a short cut, then the regular road would already run that direction- that is the way Baja roads get cut in, by finding the shortest, best path to the destination)

805gregg - 3-17-2009 at 07:51 PM

It's Mexico, I thought it was ok to cheat as long as you didn't get caught?

bajalou - 3-18-2009 at 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner
Looks to me like the man did what he had to do to get around a guy that did not want to get out of his way.
Hard to visualize that as "short-cut"
Seems like a pretty rugged path to run....
(If it was really a short cut, then the regular road would already run that direction- that is the way Baja roads get cut in, by finding the shortest, best path to the destination)


Cutting 4 miles off the course to me is a "short cut". There are indications that he had "Pre-run" this route.

Score website says they'll make a decision by the end of the week on the protests.

[Edited on 3-18-2009 by bajalou]

cbuzzetti - 3-18-2009 at 08:26 AM

Their waiting to see how much cash is in the unmarked bag ;-)

Nah...it's OK to get caught

Dave - 3-18-2009 at 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
It's Mexico, I thought it was ok to cheat as long as you didn't get caught?


There's no shame in it. Caught my neighbor stealing my electricity. His response,"Everyone does it."

Gadget - 3-18-2009 at 02:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Quote:
Originally posted by bajalou
And last year in a NASCAR race he was caught throwing roll bar padding out the window of his car to get debris on the track so there would be a Yellow flag on the lap and he could catch up.


Old school and I love it!:cool:


Old school was throwing a 2 foot piece of angle iron out the window while you were in the lead.

Roll bar padding??? thats for sissys :o

The life of Baja Off road racing...not road course.

Al G - 3-18-2009 at 04:36 PM

Robby Gordon is not a legend in NASCAR...he does rank in the top 35 of NASCAR which makes him one of the top 35 drivers in the world. He has more smarts and gonads then all the whiners in off road racing. Notice I did not say road course racing. This may have sparked a little life back in off road racing. God knows it needs it. If Score?? changes the rules for these whiners, then you can count Baja off road racing in the same dieing camp as most all open wheel racing...Gutless. Well, an over statement, as open wheel drivers still have a few brass gonads hanging around.

akbear - 3-18-2009 at 05:36 PM

Remember When....

PJ had a Cat cut a "short cut" off the top of the El Rosario airport mesa so he & a few friends could cut off running up the arroyo.

akbear

bajalou - 3-18-2009 at 09:06 PM

From the Score website 806pm

NOTE - ON SATURDAY EVENING, A PROTEST WAS HEARD BY SCORE & CRB AGAINST 2ND PLACE SCORE TROPHY TRUCK FINISHER ROBBY GORDON AND A DECISION WAS RENDERED IN FAVOR OF ROBBY GORDON. AN APPEAL OF THIS DECISION WAS SUBMITTED BY A TROPHY TRUCK COMPETITOR ON SUNDAY MORNING AND THE APPEAL WAS ACCEPTED BY SCORE. THIS APPEAL HAS BEEN FORMALLY WITHDRAWN BY THE COMPETITOR. AS A RESULT, THE INITIAL DECISION IN FAVOR OF ROBBY GORDON WILL STAND AND THE SCORE TROPHY TRUCK RESULTS ARE NOW OFFICIAL.

surfer jim - 3-18-2009 at 09:20 PM

I am ....shocked...;)

EnseNADAslim - 3-19-2009 at 12:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
It's Mexico, I thought it was ok to cheat as long as you didn't get caught?


Uhhhhh, I think he got caught.
Actually, yes, it is Mexico, and I like the old school way of thinking, but they have a course set out for reason as to keep everyone from going which ever way they want, and ripping through some Rancher's property.

If ya don't surface, you won't get harpooned,,,,Robby Surfaced!

David K - 3-19-2009 at 08:19 AM

Well, now we have a new way to drop into Matomi!:o:rolleyes:

TMW - 3-19-2009 at 05:29 PM

The tracking devices make you stay on course and within the speed limits on the hwy. This race did not use the trackers and this is the results. Over the years many have used lines that some would call cheating and others may say were creative. Some factory teams were given options that others did not know about. No body should be surprised as to what happens in these situations. Honda and Kawasaki got away with cheating for years. It was highlighted in the movie Dust to Glory showing Johnny Campbell running down the shore line. Not once but twice. That would not be cheating if Sal tolded Honda is was OK before the race. If he did he should also have told the other riders about it at the deivers/riders meeting.

Keep the tracking devices in the race and we will have better racing.

Peloncito - 3-23-2009 at 10:03 PM

That is exactly what I was thinking "TW"! Johnny Campbell's beach run was a featured section in the movie with the Honda Factory Team owners directly overhead in a helicopter watching. Campbell could not catch Andy Grider by making the sandy path pay off. In the end, Honda ended up winning the overall with Steve Hengeveld on board and Kawasaki did not file a protest.

Ironic that Andy Grider is now Robby Gordon's navigator? In my opinion, cross the checkpoints @ their designated locations and any route in between is fair game.

The desert has an insatiable appetite for attrition when it comes to off road racing vehicles and that shaved four miles of track might be easily considered 50 miles worth of wear and tear and that is why no one else opted for it. Every driver pre-runs the 250, 500 and 1000 over and over and have done so for many years. If they are saying "we didn't know we could drive through there", they are flat out lying.

I am not even a Robby Gordon fan, but I am on his side on this one. The man has guts and boat loads of off roading skill!!

[Edited on 3-24-2009 by Peloncito]

[Edited on 3-24-2009 by Peloncito]