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puppies for sale

oatc - 4-17-2009 at 01:46 PM

Mix of chihuahua and yorkie (chorkie)
2 brown and black male.
1 gold brown with white spots in her face.
1 brown and black female.
2 brown with with white spots in their faces.

I don't know if they will have long hair until they are 2 months old.
My cell telephone number is 612-154-1358
Adriana

Marie-Rose - 4-17-2009 at 04:34 PM

PLEASE... do not tell us you are selling them :no:

Just managed to adopt out a lovely small, long haired dashound (msp) cross... so many lovely, small, baja hounds available for free!!

oatc - 4-17-2009 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Marie-Rose
PLEASE... do not tell us you are selling them :no:

Just managed to adopt out a lovely small, long haired dashound (msp) cross... so many lovely, small, baja hounds available for free!!
[/Sorry, yes I am selling them, I have 14 street dogs and 9 small dogs (mine) and I use that money for the street dogs. If you are interest I have dogs for adoption too. quote]

24baja - 4-17-2009 at 06:15 PM

I understand the need to adopt an animal, take in an animal, but I have a hard time with breeding, raising and selling animals to feed other animals, there should be another way to make money to help with the adopted pets without bringing more animals into the situation. But kudos for trying to find a solution.

oatc - 4-18-2009 at 02:23 PM

I love animals, is hard for me to sell o give a dog for adoption. I don't breed animals to feed streets dogs, this was an accident, I only give a reason why I am selling the dogs. And I don't want to be rude with no body, but is easy to judge a person, to give an opinion, to feel sorry for something, but to make and effort to change the incorrect things, like street dogs, is not easy. And I hope no body take this like offence, because I am no body to judge no body. I only want to find a really good persons that want to buy my puppies.

Bajajack - 4-18-2009 at 03:11 PM

I suppose it's only an accident that you're trying to sell them instead of trying to find them a home, right! :rolleyes:

comitan - 4-18-2009 at 03:23 PM

Adriana

Try posting on the bulletin board at CCC you will get nothing but sour opinions here.

Bajahowodd - 4-18-2009 at 03:57 PM

CCC? The store? California Conservation Corps? Cheat Code Central? Copyright Clearance Center? City Colleges of Chicago? Catechism of the Catholic Church?

Just wanted to second comitan's recommendation.

Cypress - 4-18-2009 at 03:59 PM

Jeez, All we need is a few more dogs!!!

vandenberg - 4-18-2009 at 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by comitan

you will get nothing but sour opinions here.

And rightfully so. :no:

Woooosh - 4-18-2009 at 06:41 PM

I just placed a litter of lab puppies. All found great homes with friends and family (we kept two). Thought about selling one- to cover the shots for the litter- but didn't.

24baja - 4-18-2009 at 06:51 PM

I very rarely post a reaction to a somewhat political issue so I am sorry if my opinion offended someone, but I just don't get it, bringing more dogs into the world to sell to pay for dogs that there are already too many of. And once again, Kudos (good job) trying to find a solution, but there has to be another one, maybe an old fashioned yard sale would do it.

bajabound2005 - 4-18-2009 at 10:19 PM

why would you SELL these pups? Just give them away to good homes that promise to spay or neuter and get them their shots? We could go out and pick up 25 pups right now in a 5 mile radius with the same "credentials" as these pups!

LOSARIPES - 4-19-2009 at 04:02 AM

Well.... this posting has clearly ruffled some hyper-sensitive chicken's feathers.. what's the difference? Sold or given away.... the pups are here and if Adriana has filled her house with street dogs I don't see any reason why she shouldn't try to help her noble cause. This has been clearly explained above. Other "organizations" have created refuges for dogs and are failing miserably, if we go by what we see around us -see bajabound2005 above-. The funny thing is they don't SELL dogs but they do take money... lots of it through contributions made out of the goodness of some people's heart... that's ok. They don't mean business but they make a living out of it.
There is an old, ancient Chinese adage I've just invented: Chill Out..!!
Adriana... try "photobucket" for picture postings... for those "La Paz challenged".... CCC could mean many things. If you can't figure it out you don't deserve help... now if you are just trying to be funny (i.e. abusive with the newbie) nice try... you fell short of imagination on the 3C's interpretation. I am sure you could have done better....(and I'm afraid you will...) I'll be Chinese now and chill out too I'll patiently wait for the wrath of some come backs.. ahummmmmm......

Marie-Rose - 4-19-2009 at 07:32 AM

LOSARIPES
Well taken... I hear you. And yes I guess it is a hyper-sensitive subject for me.

Recently I have seen too many situations in our bario where the neighbors are
breeding the cute little "white fluffy" breeds, and selling them to other locals who have no idea how much care they need. We have an over abundance of these little dogs who are matted and dirty and full of flees and ticks and dying of erlichea. We also have many german shepherds and malamutes being bred and sold. They are being sold because people are buying them as status symbols but they are roaming around free as they have always done.
I know that this is just the way it is, but the fact that they are breeding these dogs often and on purpose is just hard for me to watch and accept...
I did not mean to judge oatc, as I do not know what her situation is.

rpleger - 4-19-2009 at 08:05 AM

I bet those puppies are really cute...good luck with them

longlegsinlapaz - 4-19-2009 at 09:39 AM

The majority of people who posted here were mighty quick to attack a newbie & stand in judgment of her without even asking for some facts. :fire:

The existence of these puppies, as she stated when initially challenged was not an intentional breeding, it was something that happened because of the overwhelming amount of dogs temporarily in her care. Did anyone bother to ask why she currently has 14 street dogs in her care? No! You chose to take a superior attitude & make assumptions!

Anyone care to make a guess how much it costs to house, feed, provide required medical care & buy collars for 14 dogs? The collars are necessary because when there's a street dog "round-up", uncollared dogs are picked up & destroyed. She's saving, at present, 14 street dogs from starving, disease, abuse & almost certain death. I say "at present" because the number of dogs in her care can & does change from day-to-day.

Oh! But wait! There IS a dog refuge here in the immediate area! One who states publicly on their website (http://www.bajadogshelplineoflapaz.org/index.php) how much they help strays, that they spay & neuter & what good & loving care they provide. If the information posted at the website is a true & accurate portrayal of reality, then why wouldn't Adriana have taken the 14 strays she's currently caring for to the refuge? The bottom-line truth of the matter is that she can't afford to! You see, they refuse to take dogs without a minimum $200 peso "donation" per animal! What is posted publicly on the website, what was stated recently on a radio program & a television interview is in direct conflict to what happens in reality. Contrary to what was stated on the radio & television broadcasts, the refuge currently has less than half of their stated capacity. This information provided by staff and other people who are up there several times a week. They continue to take donations, yet they refuse to accept any more animals...am I the only one who finds something wrong with this picture? :?:

Lest anyone think I'm basing my information on unverifiable rumors, I personally picked up an injured dog on the highway who'd been hit by a car. We saw the dog laying at the edge of the hwy 6-8 blocks from the original refuge site on the hwy in Centenario & rushed it to Baja Dogs where the co-owner of the refuge refused to accept the dog or have the then on-site vet treat it.

I personally know many people who have attempted to take animals into the shelter only to be turned away. Injured animals, starving animals, pregnant tick & flea infested animals, as well as healthy strays...it makes no difference, some have been refused even with an offer of a "donation".

IMO, the "refuge" was a wonderful idea, unfortunately, I believe it falls short in the actual implementation of the original dream and it's publicized mission statement. Many local Mexicans & gringos alike are extremely disappointed in the refuge's failure to come close to meeting their mission statement. :no:

The fact of life here is most simply cannot afford a "donation". That means they have two choices...to pay for the cost of medical care if the animal is sick or injured out of their own pocket...or to re-abandon the animal to almost certain death on the streets.

Adriana has begged, pleaded & finagled free or discounted medical treatment for animals from nearly every vet in La Paz! To the point that many vets are no longer willing to give her a break on the cost. And she only takes them to a vet if diagnosis or treatment is beyond her knowledge or ability, i.e., broken bones, internal injuries, laboratory tests. She bathes & grooms, treats for mange & gives shots herself.

How her trying to make money through the sale of some unplanned puppies to support caring for street dogs which the "refuge" has & continues to refuse to take in & help can be viewed as greedy or inappropriate by the majority of posters here is beyond me! Adriana is more open & honest in her efforts to help the street dogs of La Paz than the animal "refuge" which was purportedly established to do so. She doesn't turn animals away, she takes then home & then finds a way to pay for their care. Unlike the "refuge, she doesn't turn her back on them for lack of funds.

The "refuge" gets a lot of money through fund-raisers & donations, yet they blatantly refuse to honor their public mission statement on a daily basis. I know some who have posted here support the "refuge", and I applaud your efforts to help street dogs. I know some of you also get personally involved, like Marie-Rose having found a new home for a street dog recently & I believe several others in the past.

So please don't be so quick to negatively judge a truly caring & compassionate individual who puts every centavo she can earn towards the care of street dogs. When she is able to find a good home for these dogs, she does follow-up visits to their new homes to ensure their ongoing well-being. It was Adriana who came up with & initially implemented the program to go into the local grade schools to educate kids on responsible & respectful treatment of animals.

DianaT - 4-19-2009 at 09:48 AM

Thanks longlegs for your post and information.

Baja is often not an easy place for animal lovers to be---too many street animals in need of care and it sounds like she can't turn them away.

Diane

comitan - 4-19-2009 at 09:54 AM

Well Legs as usual well said and very enlightening because I have heard from other sources confirming what you have said about BajaDogs.

vandenberg - 4-19-2009 at 09:56 AM

I hereby offer my apology. Had no idea and was jumping to conclusions. Thanks for setting me straight Carol.

Bob H - 4-19-2009 at 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
Well Legs as usual well said and very enlightening because I have heard from other sources confirming what you have said about BajaDogs.

I totally concur.... great post legs!

Bob H

BajaDove - 4-19-2009 at 03:27 PM

Have a friend that ends up with kittens. they find her doorstep, because she neuters, collars, feeds and leaves them in the window with a sign that says ?$. I don't remember how much. couple of pesos. She says she sell them because people take care of what they pay for.

David K - 4-19-2009 at 04:23 PM

This is a Nomad classified ads board... If you don't want to buy a puppy, why did you open this thread? The person ('oatc') is offering to sell something... You are acting like that's illegal or immoral!?? :rolleyes:

[Edited on 4-20-2009 by David K]

vandenberg - 4-19-2009 at 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by David K
unmoral!?? :rolleyes:

David K - 4-19-2009 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg

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Originally posted by David K
unmoral!?? :rolleyes:

Yah, you're right about that one... it didn't even sound right! :lol:

IMMORAL (and I edited it above. Now, how a comment about the whole thing and not just the word?)

dtbushpilot - 4-19-2009 at 08:31 PM

Guess I should have offered my kittens "for sale" on my post. I'll edit it....dt

oatc - 4-19-2009 at 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
I hereby offer my apology. Had no idea and was jumping to conclusions. Thanks for setting me straight Carol.

Gracias Vandenberg, I appreciate your apology. :yes:

DianaT - 4-19-2009 at 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Guess I should have offered my kittens "for sale" on my post. I'll edit it....dt

I doubt it would help. Unfortunately, very unfortunately, there are so many homeless kittens and puppies in Baja, and also in the US that only the most fortunate are adopted into a loving home.

oatc - 4-20-2009 at 02:18 PM

I am sorry the way this post end. The only thing I was looking for, was to find a good home for my puppies, and thanks God most of them, they already have a good home.
I want to thank comitan, losaripes and longlegs for the support they give me.
And I want to thank two wonderfull vets: Marisol Arellano and Armando Romero, who most of the time they only charge me medicament. One month ago I have a problem with a female dog, she was very sick and she need a surgerie: the cost was $2,000 pesos, they only charge me $500 pesos.
And the are other persons the sometimes came to my house with dog food, thanks to. This world is full of good people, I really belive that.
About Baja Dogs I am no ready to talk, and I don't if I will ready one day, because they are street dogs involve and I don't care if is one or 40. The only thing I can say they don't do, what they say they do. They go to local television programs, to ask for help... gime me, give me, but when they ask for the address, they don't give the address.
What is really the commitment with street dogs in need?
And if some one replys about this post, I don't if I will answer. Was really hard for me to decide if I was going to reply, but I think losaripes and longlegs deserve this post for their support. Thanks

longlegsinlapaz - 4-20-2009 at 07:40 PM

No problem! You were getting a lotta flack & a bum rap. I just felt you might be judged more fairly if people were provided some factual information.

By the way, my door is locked to you until you post that you've found homes for ALL the puppies! :saint:

luckyinlapaz - 6-3-2009 at 10:00 PM

I'm coming in late to this thread, but just a couple of quick comments. I empathize with Adriana and the accidental pregnancy. Good luck in all you do.
Baja Dogs Website clearly states on its website that it cannot take any new dogs because it is full and short of funds: http://www.bajadogshelplineoflapaz.org/adoptions.php
There are currently over 50 dogs at the refuge, and have been for several months.
The land is owned byBaja Dogs La Paz. The refuge construction was personally funded by one of the Directors. The refuge costs many people a lot of time and money, in all honesty.
The only people who get money through Baja Dogs la Paz are the vets, dog food vendors, banks and accountant, and two part-time employees who do a wonderful job of caring for these sick, abused and abandoned dogs 7 days a week. Everything else it takes to run this refuge is done by volunteers, from the Website and newsletters to adoptions, education, dog walking and training, and everything else. It takes an average of around $46 US per dog per month in medicine, vet care, doog food, etc. We spay the dogs of breeding age we have or send out for adoptions. We send dogs to forever homes in the US and Canada, at times paying for their trips. Rescue is costly, as anyone who has done this knows. Do we even put a dent in the street dog population? Sometimes. Do we provide a safe have for the dogs at the refuge? Definitely. Not all are adoptable, but we continue to care for them. Baja Dogs is overwhelmed with the number of dogs that people wish to bring to the refuge. And the $200 pesos requested as a donation does not even cover the initial vet care for most dogs we get. Baja Dogs has land, but not enough pens nor people to adequately care for more dogs than are currently housed there. Maybe La Paz would be better off without the refuge, but I seriously doubt it, considering the hundreds of dogs that have been resuced and adopted to new homes. But notes like those from Longlegsinlapaz sure make me want to quite trying. I am one of the volunteers.

longlegsinlapaz - 6-4-2009 at 09:08 AM

I'm sorry my original post 2 months ago upset/disappointed/frustrated/(supply your own choice of verbs here) you.

My post was honest & factual, based on my own personal knowledge & that of people here in the La Paz area whose word I trust & respect. Please don't think that was an easy post for me to write. I was torn between keeping the knowledge I had to myself for the sake of how many ever dogs might be helped, versus honestly documenting the reality of what started out to be a wonderful idea up front, but lost a lot of it's goodness in it's execution. I stand by my words today just as much as I did when I made my original post.

For the record, that statement on the website is new. It's been added sometime during the intervening two months. Nonetheless, that does not change the fact that BajaDogs has refused to accept animals....strays, injured, ill health, mothers with newborn puppies, etc. almost since their inception, even when the prerequisite "donation" was offered.

I don't have a magical answer for how to turn BajaDogs into the utopia it wanted to be. If I did, I'd offer it up for the sake of the dogs.

I originally thought the concept was good, but I personally lost my enthusiasm once I heard of others' experiences & experienced it first-hand myself. Maybe you missed the fact that other posters on this thread either had a less than satisfactory experience with the refuge, or knew of others who had.

I don't fault you for wanting to help, getting involved & volunteering your time. That's your personal choice. If you feel the refuge is making a positive contribution to dogs & the area, then listen to your own heart & stick to your own personal convictions. I sincerely applaud you for caring!

SiReNiTa - 6-4-2009 at 10:28 AM

wow...i am also late to this one but i can understand why she would want to sell the puppies because it is true that people care much muc more for what costs them than what is given to them sadly...and i for one cant find anything wrong in wanting something back for what ever she put in to the puppies...in ensenada i see lots of crosses being sold and most people in mexico prefer to buy a cheap dog because you know where it comes from and it is less probable to have some kind of sickness...i just got lucky when i got my pepper (chihuahua with mini toy cross) i would have gladly paid for him though...i think that on this board there are many people that judge people as soon as they post, without further explanations (sorry if not spelled right) they jump to conclusions without knowing anything but what the person wrote and not knowing if they had particular reasons to write it...just try to understand people a little more because someday someone will judge you in a way that hurts and you will not feel to good believe me!
good job oatc on trying to find good homes for the puppies!!!

backninedan - 6-4-2009 at 01:07 PM

SiReNiTa,

I couldnt disagree more. What makes you think a free dog is less valued than one you pick out at the puppy mill?? I guess that aka paper makes them better and more lovable.

SiReNiTa - 6-5-2009 at 09:28 AM

no backinden you misunderstood i'm sorry if i gave that impression! its not that free dogs are less valuable than others (probably the other way around, street dogs and crosses i know for a fact usually are the most loyal friendly and awsome companions because they have sufferd so much and love you to pieces if you save them from what would have been a very lonely life and usually cross breed dogs have more resistance do sickness than pure breds for some reason or another. dont get me wrong i love all dogs and every single one of them out there deserves a good loving home but what i was trying to say is that alot of people here in mexico think it is safer to get a dog that has been bread or something...i'm not sure if i am expressing my self correctly, also from what i have seen unfortunantly in alot of familys is that they like to show of their pets if they buy them for some reason un known to me sadly i have seen it happen...
about the paper...it does not make one dog different or better than another you can get papers for free cross breeds by taking them to the vet and getting their shots
I'm sorry if i mislead the meaning to my post i hope this clarifies it...

longlegsinlapaz - 6-5-2009 at 12:42 PM

If I may.... :rolleyes:

Frequently people place a higher value on something they had to pay hard-earned money for than something they get for free.

Not saying that I agree with that philosophy, simply trying to encapsulate Sirenita's thought into a briefer form! :saint:

All my pets are rescued animals & they're great! :bounce:

oatc - 6-7-2009 at 05:13 PM

I think bajadogs need to check they numbers, $46 dollars a month for dog is to much. Right now I have 30 dogs, 7 cats and one pigeon ( I found him or her in the desert with one broken wing ) And I am no, even close to be a rich person, and I think if I found one person, that can give $300 dollars a month, with that money I can take care for all the animals I have. I will be honest, because I know in one day I can expend all that money in one dog, and not save the dog life, but is not all the time that way.
And I have ideas if some person want to help the street dogs, if where you live are dogs that are friendly, you can take them to the vet for spay and neuter, here in La Paz is a program with Centro de Salud, they give you a tiket and you take that to the vet and they only charge $200 pesos, works with cats to, sometimes is free.
I honestly believe that even hundred refugios will no end with the problem of street dog, teach the people to respect animals and spay and neuter is the only solution.
And I sincere believe, that are a lot of people in this world they want to help animals, and we need to respect they ways, even if we don't agree.
Love animals and do what can you do for them to have a happy life. :yes: