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4 Chula Vista residents dead in TJ

Bronco - 5-14-2009 at 02:21 PM

The following link is from the SD Tribune. The victims were US citizens adding more reasons to avoid Tijuana.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/14/1m14tjdea...

surfer jim - 5-14-2009 at 02:30 PM

....good reason to avoid TJ ?......well ,yes, if you are doing drug deals....:yes:

Woooosh - 5-14-2009 at 02:32 PM

The police are saying one of the victims had a possible link to a convicted drug dealer doing time in US prison. He may have lured her to TJ and had her friends killed as well. There was a note on one of the vistims about an unpaid drug debt. The girls lied to their parents to sneak down to TJ to party- not untypical. Being strangled or beated to death wasn't really a party worth skippping out for and a lesson many parents will be going over with their kids. One bad apple did spoil this whole bunch.

Heather - 5-14-2009 at 02:40 PM

The girls were graduates of Chula Vista High School, where I work. I don't think they were my students, the names don't sound familiar, but haven't seen their pictures, yet.
The kids are already talking about this...many of them live in TJ and cross the border to get to school daily.
We had another current student killed in a car accident on the 5 last week, so somber mood around campus. H.

Cypress - 5-14-2009 at 02:59 PM

Sad.:( Murdering high school kids? Jeez!

4 AMERICANS FOUND DEAD IN VAN IN TJ

Udo - 5-14-2009 at 04:54 PM

http://breakingnews.abc7.com/2009/05/4-americans-found-dead-...

"The four had gone to Tijuana to party"

Dave - 5-14-2009 at 05:18 PM

You pays your money...You takes your chances. ;D

tjBill - 5-15-2009 at 03:58 PM

The first video on this page shows the victims.

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html#

Not bad looking at all. :?:

woody with a view - 5-15-2009 at 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tjBill
The first video on this page shows the victims.

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html#

Not bad looking at all. :?:


bill, you're a ***king PIG!

here's to someone close to you receiving the same treatment!

JESSE - 5-15-2009 at 04:11 PM

Dealing drugs in TJ is not a smart thing.

Bajahowodd - 5-15-2009 at 04:17 PM

In the old days, going to TJ to party meant tequila shots and beer for underage kids. Obviously, 'partying' has a different definition now.

Hook - 5-15-2009 at 09:18 PM

I was reading a version of this story on Yahoo and it mentioned that......"Violence had diminished in Tijuana in recent months, only to pick up a few weeks ago with seven police officers killed in brazen attacks on one day."

How did I miss that story?

CaboRon - 5-16-2009 at 06:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
I was reading a version of this story on Yahoo and it mentioned that......"Violence had diminished in Tijuana in recent months, only to pick up a few weeks ago with seven police officers killed in brazen attacks on one day."

How did I miss that story?


Not sure how you missed it ...

There was a big buriel (sic) service for the fallen officers and it was international news .....

You must be having a great time :lol::lol:

rpleger - 5-16-2009 at 11:32 AM

I am so sorry for those young people...

Kell-Baja - 5-16-2009 at 01:18 PM

My heart goes out to the parents and family members of these kids. Things have sure changed, I spent nearly every weekend in TJ from the time I was 16 till 18.

Bajahowodd - 5-16-2009 at 01:58 PM

Tons of kids partied in TJ. If there is a silver lining, just remember the civic groups and parents that waged war on TJ for underage drinking and the like. At least, for the most part, they don't have that worry today. Kids don't go there.

BAJACAT - 5-17-2009 at 10:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
Quote:
Originally posted by tjBill
The first video on this page shows the victims.

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html#

Not bad looking at all. :?:


bill, you're a ***king PIG!

here's to someone close to you receiving the same treatment!
Well Woody, TjBill is not liying, Carmen Ramos was a gorgeous girl, so why you think is comment is in bad taste, it's all in the eye of the beholder.MHO... BAJACAT

Bajahowodd - 5-17-2009 at 10:53 PM

Just tell me if you use utensils when eating.

BAJACAT - 5-17-2009 at 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Just tell me if you use utensils when eating.
?????

Bajahowodd - 5-17-2009 at 11:33 PM

What I'm trying to say is that is in really bad taste to be commenting about the appearance of a recently deceased female in such terms. I'm no prude. But just don't think the important issue is that she was gorgeous. Unless, maybe you are a friend of the family.

woody with a view - 5-18-2009 at 03:28 AM

eggsackly

there are plenty of living women to drool over, guys. give the girl some respect.

if i came across too harsh-she'd appreciated it.

CaboRon - 5-18-2009 at 06:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Tons of kids partied in TJ. If there is a silver lining, just remember the civic groups and parents that waged war on TJ for underage drinking and the like. At least, for the most part, they don't have that worry today. Kids don't go there.


When in High School (Crawford class of '63) we would party in TJ often.

My favorite was the house special at the hotel Nelson (fifty cents for the drink)

Those were much gentler days .....

And life was much simpler then .....

Now TJ has turned into a kill zone ....

Very Sad ...

CaboRon

UPDATE 21 May 2009

CaboRon - 5-22-2009 at 11:19 AM

Drug suspect may be linked to deaths of 4 from S.D. County
By Sandra Dibble Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. May 21, 2009
TIJUANA — A U.S. citizen facing trial in Arizona on drug-trafficking charges may be connected to the deaths of four San Diego County residents whose bodies were found inside a van in a residential Tijuana neighborhood this month.
Ernesto Murguia Ochoa, 22, who is scheduled for trial July 20 in Maricopa County, was renting a house in eastern Tijuana that the four young victims are believed to have visited and where they may have been killed, said a Mexican law enforcement official familiar with the case.
Authorities have yet to determine whether Murguia is a perpetrator or a victim of the crimes, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.
Murguia is currently missing, the official said.
He was one of 30 defendants named in a 54-count drug-trafficking indictment in September in Maricopa County Superior Court. According to court documents, Murguia pleaded not guilty and was released after posting a $50,000 bond.
In February, a judge ordered a bench warrant for his arrest after Murguia failed to appear for a court hearing. On May 9, the victims were found stabbed and strangled inside a burgundy Ford Aerostar with California plates parked in the same Loma Dorada neighborhood where Murguia had rented the house. Some time later, Mexican soldiers raided the residence and found blood-stained walls and the victims'identification cards.
All four victims crossed the border frequently and had gone to party in Tijuana when they were killed, authorities said. They were identified as Brianna Hernandez Aguilera, 19; Carmen Jimena Ramos Chavez, 20; Luis Antonio Gamez, 21; and Oscar Jorge Garcia Cota, 23.
One of the victims, Garcia, had been arrested on suspicion of alien smuggling in January 2008 after he was stopped while driving a vehicle with six illegal immigrants aboard, but he was never charged.
Investigators believe that Murguia had a relationship with at least one of the victims, the official said, and they are working to determine whether the victims had participated with Murguia in drug-trafficking activities.

DENNIS - 5-22-2009 at 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaboRon
One of the victims, Garcia, had been arrested on suspicion of alien smuggling in January 2008 after he was stopped while driving a vehicle with six illegal immigrants aboard, but he was never charged.



Oh yeah. Why bother doing that? All that nasty paperwork.
Who is the enemy, anyway?

woody with a view - 5-22-2009 at 12:04 PM

why bother? because he spilled his guts, that's why they didn't charge him. and he was stupid to think his bosses wouldn't realize it......

DENNIS - 5-22-2009 at 12:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody in ob
why bother? because he spilled his guts, that's why they didn't charge him. and he was stupid to think his bosses wouldn't realize it......


I haven't followed this story. Is that what the murders were all about?

woody with a view - 5-22-2009 at 12:09 PM

all conjecture. do they ever really know?

lizard lips - 5-22-2009 at 12:20 PM

Quote:
By Sandra Dibble Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. May 21, 2009
TIJUANA — A U.S. citizen facing trial in Arizona on drug-trafficking charges may be connected to the deaths of four San Diego County residents whose bodies were found inside a van in a residential Tijuana neighborhood this month.
Ernesto Murguia Ochoa, 22, who is scheduled for trial July 20 in Maricopa County, was renting a house in eastern Tijuana that the four young victims are believed to have visited and where they may have been killed, said a Mexican law enforcement official familiar with the case.
Authorities have yet to determine whether Murguia is a perpetrator or a victim of the crimes, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.
Murguia is currently missing, the official said.
He was one of 30 defendants named in a 54-count drug-trafficking indictment in September in Maricopa County Superior Court. According to court documents, Murguia pleaded not guilty and was released after posting a $50,000 bond.
In February, a judge ordered a bench warrant for his arrest after Murguia failed to appear for a court hearing. On May 9, the victims were found stabbed and strangled inside a burgundy Ford Aerostar with California plates parked in the same Loma Dorada neighborhood where Murguia had rented the house. Some time later, Mexican soldiers raided the residence and found blood-stained walls and the victims'identification cards.
All four victims crossed the border frequently and had gone to party in Tijuana when they were killed, authorities said. They were identified as Brianna Hernandez Aguilera, 19; Carmen Jimena Ramos Chavez, 20; Luis Antonio Gamez, 21; and Oscar Jorge Garcia Cota, 23.
One of the victims, Garcia, had been arrested on suspicion of alien smuggling in January 2008 after he was stopped while driving a vehicle with six illegal immigrants aboard, but he was never charged.
Investigators believe that Murguia had a relationship with at least one of the victims, the official said, and they are working to determine whether the victims had participated with Murguia in drug-trafficking activities.


BULL chit--------------------

[Edited on 03/08/2009 by lizard lips]