OVERFISHING IN BAJA

Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens.
Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing
helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans.

I see your point Mexprep..
Why would someone want to flyin to Loreto $500+ to stay and eat for 4 days in a hotel $300+, hire a pangaero for 2 days $400+ to catch a two dorado limit per day or four fish total

That is some very $$ filet....

Well, lets do some rough math.

from BBC News yesterday:

I would give up fishing and get tapedeck to help you fix that dirtbox golf course up as it might soon be the only fun you have left there in Punta Chivato. Maybe a nice windfarm could be a good project down there.

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Originally posted by mexipep Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens. Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans.

Thank you Michael, soulpatch and Osprey!

You place the blame where it belongs. It is heartbreaking to witness this ecological disaster. We non-nationals are powerless to intervene or even protest. I have signed petitions, but they did no good.

We have to hold current fishing licenses and follow the letter of the law when fishing (single lining). We cannot take shell fish. We are bound by species limits, and we are boarded and checked often, while the culprits you accurately mention are allowed to violate the law. Furthermore, I believe that for most of us (certainly not all), that our culture has it that we are self monitoring.

However, if there were an international ban of fishing for a period of years, so as to allow the fish to regenerate, I would be for it.

What international body would have jurisdiction? How would they monitor Mexico or Japan or other blatant violators? How can you hold nations accountable who look the other way when their own citizens violate the law? What would be the consequences?

It is too bad that environmental causes have been so politicized. That rhetoric has caused some to consider conservation not necessary, or worse yet, the need is denied.

To NOT practice conservation is not only illegal in most regions, it is also immoral. Most of us who have boats, love the sea and fish, know this.

Festus, You hit the nail right on the head! Subsistance and commercial fishing will result in starvation or malnutrition for those depending upon that for their daily bread. It will only lead to a further depletion of the Sea of Cortez's dwindling fish stocks. The're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Seems to be a lot of stingrays left. Yummy.

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Originally posted by mexipep Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens. Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans.

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Originally posted by CaboRon Quote: Originally posted by mexipep Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens. Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans. Interesting comments considering it is the mexicans who are doing a good share of the overfishing and the taking of endangered species .....

Interesting comments considering this newby condones eating turtle on the turtle thread. The only consistency I see in his posts is the hostility against Nomads and North Americans.

Therefore, his call for conservation holds no credibility.
Other new Hydra Troll(s) also bear watching....same agenda.

mexipep....thx for piping up.
i was wondering when this board would find a new idiot.

and...keep drinking that single malt.
soon you'll be down to a single brain cell from 2.


signed...a "flyin" Yankee.

Did you read my original post?

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Originally posted by toneart Quote: Originally posted by CaboRon Quote: Originally posted by mexipep Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens. Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans. Interesting comments considering it is the mexicans who are doing a good share of the overfishing and the taking of endangered species ..... Interesting comments considering this newby condones eating turtle on the turtle thread. The only consistency I see in his posts is the hostility against Nomads and North Americans. Therefore, his call for conservation holds no credibility. Other new Hydra Troll(s) also bear watching....same agenda.

I never said the seiners and the like should continue their rape of the seas. I said the small commercial panga owners and citizens should fish for subsistance. As for the turtle input,its was said in jest based on the foolish posts on the thread that preceded it. Why is it you americans must look for a culprit when you are part of the problem.

Ahh, heres a bright light/

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Originally posted by capt. mike mexipep....thx for piping up. i was wondering when this board would find a new idiot. and...keep drinking that single malt. soon you'll be down to a single brain cell from 2. signed...a "flyin" Yankee.

A flying yankee who insults from the hip.
Well my turn. I have just read your last 50 posts and one thing is for certain. You are the biggest tire kicker on the planet. Whenever a place comes up for sale,you pretend to be interested in it and then back off cause 'its not the right time' because you did not win the irish sweepstakes or some other tripe. Your great claim to fame is you rented a pad at an old hotel for your old motorhome and you are an expert on all things Baja. You only come down when you can 'split the av gas' or in other words you are much too cheap or as we say a skinflint or a little dodgey.

Save it for the next poor fools you hoodwink into paying you with gas to fly them as they will be so nervous ,they will agree with everything you say.

Thank you

Your one or two fish?

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Originally posted by mexipep Quote: Originally posted by capt. mike mexipep....thx for piping up. i was wondering when this board would find a new idiot. and...keep drinking that single malt. soon you'll be down to a single brain cell from 2. signed...a "flyin" Yankee. A flying yankee who insults from the hip. Well my turn. I have just read your last 50 posts and one thing is for certain. You are the biggest tire kicker on the planet. Whenever a place comes up for sale,you pretend to be interested in it and then back off cause 'its not the right time' because you did not win the irish sweepstakes or some other tripe. Your great claim to fame is you rented a pad at an old hotel for your old motorhome and you are an expert on all things Baja. You only come down when you can 'split the av gas' or in other words you are much too cheap or as we say a skinflint or a little dodgey. Save it for the next poor fools you hoodwink into paying you with gas to fly them as they will be so nervous ,they will agree with everything you say.

DENNIS, mexipep is a good judge of character.

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Originally posted by Cypress DENNIS, mexipep is a good judge of character.

In your case, I have to agree.

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Originally posted by mexipep Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens. Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans.

The yanks are swarming.an attack is coming

Do you notice all the obnoxious yanks who insist on telling everyone who will listen what idiots we are if we blame them for anything. The days of your forcing your ways on to the rest of the world are over yanks. You are broke, have no morals and are bankrupt in every sense of the word. Even the Mexicans are laughing at you as are the people in Europe. You are in demise so accept it and practice chinese if you know whats good for you.Ha ha hahahhahahahahahahahaaha

Depending on the bounty of the Sea of Cortez for survival? That'd take care of any obesity issues down in Baja.

hahahaha!!!!!!!!! you read MY last 50 posts??!!

you must be awfully damn bored.

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Originally posted by capt. mike hahahaha!!!!!!!!! you read MY last 50 posts??!! you must be awfully damn bored.

Awwwww.

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Originally posted by DanO Awwwww.

And, you guys were getting along so well.

It was Palmetto or should we use his real name(Pierce). His written English errors bust him every time.

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Personally, I'd like to see some areas have moratoriums on all fishing for a few years. It's proven that fisheries improve drammatically doing this.