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mexipep
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OVERFISHING IN BAJA
Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non
Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens.
Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing
helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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rpleger
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I agree that ALL fishing should be stoped for a period of five years to let the fish recover....a program similar to New Zealand would work for the
Sea of Cortez.
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mexipep
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The people of New Zealand put the fish ahead of the charter businesses that catered to the flyfishing americans and decided to put the fish ahead of
shortsighted lust for american dollars.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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LaTijereta
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I see your point Mexprep..
Why would someone want to flyin to Loreto $500+ to stay and eat for 4 days in a hotel $300+, hire a pangaero for 2 days $400+ to catch a two dorado
limit per day or four fish total
That is some very $$ filet....
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Who is really depleting the majority of the fish population though? I would think commercial fishing is having much more of an impact on the
population than Americans flying in to fish. Do you have any statistics regarding this mexipep?
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mexipep
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Well, lets do some rough math.
Lets say you own a charter fish company on the Sea of Cortez.
Say you are open most of the year and have three boats available for charter. Lets say that five days a week you send two boats out with three guests
and they catch one fish each as a low yield comparison. Thats over 1400 fish pulled per year out of one town based on a low estimate. Think about
that number spread out all over the Sea of Cortez over any given year and you can see how it all adds up notwithstanding the other rock fish that are
targeted when the migrating species are not caught on any given day.
So, three or four people in a charter company are responsible for all these fish when the locals could use that resource for food. That many fish
could feed a lot of hungry people in this terrible economy but I am sure some here will try to justify it.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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Osprey
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The government of Mexico has sold all the fish in the Sea of Cortez to long liners, factory ships, net boats without regard to the rights or needs of
Mexicans who live along its shores. The wholesale harvesting of uncountable tons of all fish species over the last 7 or 8 decades makes all the
sustainence fishing and sportfishing so small as to not be able to be measured against those trillions of tons of fish still being taken as we speak.
The subject is moot.
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Russ
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Problem solved! Commercial Fisheries have NEVER hurt any fish stocks any where. It's fishermen/women like me with our trout rods prowling the
surf that have destroyed more fisheries than you can shack a rod at. DUH!
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Mulegena
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from BBC News yesterday:
** 'Only 50 years left' for sea fish **
There will be virtually no fish or other seafood from the oceans by the middle of the century, scientists conclude.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/6108414... >
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When I look past the obvious in Pepi's post, there is some merit to what he says. You want to save the gulf. then play no favorites... sorry Norte
Americanos making a living or maybe just having fun.
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Pepe or what ever, You've been a member a whole day and you already sound like my worst nightmare.
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mexipep
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I would give up fishing and get tapedeck to help you fix that dirtbox golf course up as it might soon be the only fun you have left there in Punta
Chivato. Maybe a nice windfarm could be a good project down there.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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BMG
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Industrialized fish research.
What research do you have that sport fishing has anywhere near the impact on fisheries that commercial fishing has?
I think the world is run by C- students.
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mexipep, it's apparent you have absolutely no clue regarding the commercial fishery that is occuring on the SOC....if you could see the miles and
miles and miles of dead, drifting, floating bloated bycatch that the seiners and gillnetters leave behind maybe you MIGHT understand..but maybe
not....the "catch and release" fishery that is now going full blast on baja has a negligible impact on fish populations....the dorado fishery would
be, (and still IS), going strong in the SOC if it wasn't for the seiners who come in and take EVERYTHING that swims...how does that compare to
my,(MAYBE), one or two dorado that i MIGHT catch when i go out?....draggers, longliners, gill netters, purse seiners...and me with my rod and
reel...now..who's having the biggest negative impact?...no clue, amigo...
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DanO
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Here's an interesting study that came out last fall about the positive economic effects of sport fishing at the cape, and the threat posed by
commercial fishing.
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/news/news/-economic-impact-of...
Speaking for the Pacific side, I can tell you that the pangueros I know wouldn't be too keen to have American tourists banned from their boats.
They're already in dire straits because of the drop off in tourism due to the lagging economy and the overblown narco violence and influenza scares.
But hey, let them eat uni, eh pep?
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BMG
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Sea Watch
I think the world is run by C- students.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mexipep
Conservation must start somewhere and something must be done about the over fishing in the Sea of Cortez. I say that fishing be closed to all non
Mexicans and be open only for commercial and subsistance fishing only for the benefit of Mexican citizens.
Some here will insist that there is an economic benefit with the charter fishery but someone show me where sports overfishing
helps the local economies. The fish belong to the Mexican people and are not the property of rich flyin americans. |
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Pepe:
Your math appears to be flawed. You don't take into account that many sports fisherman practice catch and release. I release everything I catch down
there unless the panguero wants to keep one or two to feed his family that night. Would you take food from their mouths?
The number of sports fish caught is immaterial versus the number of fish gill netted by locals or commercial fisherman. Your solution would simply
deprive the Baja economy of a substantial income source while providing a negligible impact on the quantity of fish taken out of Baja waters.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
mexipep, it's apparent you have absolutely no clue regarding the commercial fishery that is occuring on the SOC....if you could see the miles and
miles and miles of dead, drifting, floating bloated bycatch that the seiners and gillnetters leave behind maybe you MIGHT understand..but maybe
not....the "catch and release" fishery that is now going full blast on baja has a negligible impact on fish populations....the dorado fishery would
be, (and still IS), going strong in the SOC if it wasn't for the seiners who come in and take EVERYTHING that swims...how does that compare to
my,(MAYBE), one or two dorado that i MIGHT catch when i go out?....draggers, longliners, gill netters, purse seiners...and me with my rod and
reel...now..who's having the biggest negative impact?...no clue, amigo... |
Thank you Michael, soulpatch and Osprey!
You place the blame where it belongs. It is heartbreaking to witness this ecological disaster. We non-nationals are powerless to intervene or even
protest. I have signed petitions, but they did no good.
We have to hold current fishing licenses and follow the letter of the law when fishing (single lining). We cannot take shell fish. We are bound by
species limits, and we are boarded and checked often, while the culprits you accurately mention are allowed to violate the law. Furthermore, I believe
that for most of us (certainly not all), that our culture has it that we are self monitoring.
However, if there were an international ban of fishing for a period of years, so as to allow the fish to regenerate, I would be for it.
What international body would have jurisdiction? How would they monitor Mexico or Japan or other blatant violators? How can you hold nations
accountable who look the other way when their own citizens violate the law? What would be the consequences?
It is too bad that environmental causes have been so politicized. That rhetoric has caused some to consider conservation not necessary, or worse yet,
the need is denied.
To NOT practice conservation is not only illegal in most regions, it is also immoral. Most of us who have boats, love the sea and fish, know this.
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Festus, You hit the nail right on the head! Subsistance and commercial
fishing will result in starvation or malnutrition for those depending upon that for their daily bread. It will only lead to a further depletion of the
Sea of Cortez's dwindling fish stocks. The're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Seems to be a lot of stingrays left. Yummy.
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