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NO OVERFISHING IN BAJA!!!

Cypress - 5-27-2009 at 12:47 PM

Skeet/Loreto. Been there! Found out!:D Not good.:no:

toneart - 5-27-2009 at 12:56 PM

Skeet/Loreto,

The plunder is occurring while you sleep. It is happening very fast.
I see it first hand. I found out too! :o Not good!:no:

Why start a new thread when there is one running concurrently.

Current is the operative work and you, Sir, are not current.

Cypress - 5-27-2009 at 01:15 PM

Skeet/Loreto, :yes: Sounds like a good idea! Can I choose the time of year? You made the challenge, I'm good to go. :D

Cypress - 5-27-2009 at 01:42 PM

Skeet/Loreto, :no:

flyfishinPam - 5-27-2009 at 02:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
Skeet/Loreto, :no:


Skeet you must have spoken to Alvaro otherwise I would have taken that bet! No, it is not too late to save this place your input is of value. We thank you for it.

also thankyou for deleting the description of that secret spot. we all need secret spots so lets just mention general areas and keep the secret places for those that deserve them.

[Edited on 5-27-2009 by flyfishinPam]

Paula - 5-27-2009 at 02:31 PM

Hey, Pam, please u2u those secret spots to Don and me:dudette::lol::lol:

edited for poor grammar

[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Paula]

Skeet/Loreto - 5-27-2009 at 06:45 PM

fOR THE nEWBYS"
There are certain areas and places that on nearly every given day of the year you can pull out a couple or Three good yellowtail. Does not matter the time of year,
Folks who do not live here full time sometimes do not know of these good spots.

Sorry Pam, forgot that you are in the business of catching Fish.
I know of a place about 10 minutes from Loreto that at times you can get Lobster and it is not Catalana{30 Miles].

Also know a place that in Sept. you can catch good size Pez Gallo in very shallow water. and a Salt water Catfish or two!!

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2009 at 06:26 AM

I apologize for my first Post:
In the past and present so many people who have no experience at all with the Sea of Cortez come out and try to make it and the Fisherman to be bad.
I spent 39 years on that Sea and i resent it. I was just there again about 3 months ago, I keep in contact with all of my old Mexicano Friends including that "Now Blonde" Erisurima.

I would certainley support a very Honest and Through Program that would help the fisherman and their Familes.
The blasting of "Rich Americans" as the problem is Childist.

I observed my Best Friend Alvaro rasie his family as a Panga Fisherman.


Sorry for the Blast. I just don't like anyone telling False stories about Baja.

Santiago - 5-28-2009 at 07:58 AM

Skeet: the very fact that you NEED to have the 39 years of experience in order to find the 'large and plentiful' fish is THE POINT. In the 50s and 60s when you started fishing I'll warrant that you were catching fish in many, many places but you learned or were shown by others those spots that reliably help more/larger fish. These would be the prime holding/feeding spots that the larger fish control.
Soon, you would only head to those spots, ignoring most of the open water. So now, when you get down there, you head to these dozen or so spots, catch fish and then wonder what the rest of us are talking about.
I challenge you to go out one day and fish it just like the very first time you were on the water, with no prior knowledge. Better bring a lot of beer cause you'll need it. Honestly, does your friend Alvaro say the fishing is just as good as when you and he first started out?
I also think that WHERE you are on the SOC makes a big difference. The further south the more likely you will still get good plelagic action and the fisherfolks will focus on those. However, in my spot, BOLA, there is only a 2 month dorado season, and many years that is a 30 mile boat ride. No billfish or tuna to speak of. That means for most of the year, the fisherfolk pound the heck out of the 'secret spots' you speak of. It ain't a pretty sight.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2009 at 08:48 AM

Santigo"
Correct in someways.
When I learned how to fish from Alvaro, I learnedto "Read the Water", Watch the Birds, The Weather, Clouds and so forth, not any particular spot.

If I need fish I would recall the time of year and location,go there get the fish and come Home.

Trouble with lots of GPS Fisherman that go down catch Fish in one Area, mark it on their GPS, return the next time and a different time and there is No Fish.

The fishing comes in cycles as the Fish return in cycles. Those cycles can be interruped causing a decline in Fish at that time and Place. I think the taking of the Squid in such large numbers caused a 5 year change in and around Mulege, Loreto, then last April the Fish came back in the Thousands, like it was in the 60"s. WHY!!!

Even the Totatova are coming back after being taken out nearly completely.

And I saw Amberjack in Schools 6 months ago. First time to see that.

More Amberjack coming back.??

I am beginning to see that many of the socalled "Fish Specialist" Have opnly studied in school, have been brainwashed into many strange ideas about Fishing.
Generally they all Have their own Axe to Grind?

My Friend tells me the fishing is just as good, but different.

What he says is that there are no Fisherman-- Ask Pam about the Numbers.

Cypress - 5-28-2009 at 01:57 PM

Oh well! Glad that my fishing isn't limited to the Sea of Cortez, inshore or offshore. :( A thirty mile run to catch a pelagic fish is about average, considering fuel costs etc. You can do that most anywhere off the coast of the good old USA. Baja is a sweet place, but those gill nets are killing the fishing.:no:

Frank - 5-28-2009 at 02:15 PM

If it was just about catching it wouldnt be called fishing. I like having to figure the patterns out, watch for the signs etc you know, fishing.

Ive only been coming down for 8 years or so now, so to me these are the good ole days.

I'll crimp down my barbs, use circle hooks when possible and release everything Im not going to eat that night.

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2009 at 02:34 PM

Good on Frank;
There are small things that we can do which help a very small part of the Sea of Cortez. Being careful when you catch and release.
I hear from my friends that the Shark have come back good in the upper waters. Any reports from the San Felipe, Bay of Los Angeles Area concerning increase in Shark Activity?

Sure do miss those good Thresher Steaks, smoked over the coals.
Skeet/Loreto

toneart - 5-28-2009 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Frank
If it was just about catching it wouldnt be called fishing. I like having to figure the patterns out, watch for the signs etc you know, fishing.

Ive only been coming down for 8 years or so now, so to me these are the good ole days.

I'll crimp down my barbs, use circle hooks when possible and release everything Im not going to eat that night.


There you go! That's my attitude too, Frank.

Skeet/Loreto is the only old timer fisherman that doesn't notice the decline. It sounds like he softening his tone though. That's good. Loreto may be not be as fished out as Mulege, I don't know.
I certainly don't begrudge Pam for making her living by fishing and as a guide.

I do know that there are spots around Mulege that yield pretty well, and sometimes we get skunked. We see the gill netters, seiners and shrimp trawlers scraping the bottom, and we have all noticed the decline in fish. They simply can't regenerate at that pace.

I fish for food. I am not one to hoard or load up on Yellowtail. If I catch one, I am happy. I love to fish for Pinto Bass too because they are good eating. They seem to be in the usual "spots". If I catch my limit (5), I will share with friends or have a fish fry with a few people.

Just being on the water there is so wonderful. I don't care if I occasionally get skunked. I can still go to Scotty's and brag or lie with the best of them. I just don't have that huge passion for catching fish. For me, having my own boat and fishing enhances or compliments my total Mulege experience. Some fishermen don't understand my attitude but I don't care. They don't get me and I don't get them.:?:

Cypress - 5-28-2009 at 03:20 PM

toneart, Sounds like you're committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege. :yes: It's a wonderful area.:yes: Ever count the boats loaded with gill nets coming and going each day?:?: Hooka divers? Wonder why you don't catch any fish?:no: I get it, not too hard to figure out. Gill nets=depleted fish stocks=water hauls for sport fishermen. Yea, cruising around in the Sea of Cortez is neat, but wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two.:o

Skeet/Loreto - 5-28-2009 at 05:35 PM

Have all the fish gone somewhere?
I was there 3 months ago and there were fish everywhere.

Maybe, just maybe do we have some , Fishing Problems Fishers??

Maybe you should hire Alex to show you where the fish are Hiding??Or go to del elfonso, If you can't catch fish on that Island there is something very wrong with you or your fishing Gear.
How about off the Northeast tip of San marcus??

Oh well ! I wish you luck.

Bajajack - 5-28-2009 at 05:40 PM

There's plenty of Fishies there, Skeet said so and if you guys can't find em, well maybe you need more training.


:cool:

woody with a view - 5-28-2009 at 05:46 PM

i back Pam on keeping secret spots under the radar. no names and crop out landmarks.

toneart - 5-28-2009 at 07:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
toneart, Sounds like you're committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege. :yes: It's a wonderful area.:yes: Ever count the boats loaded with gill nets coming and going each day?:?: Hooka divers? Wonder why you don't catch any fish?:no: I get it, not too hard to figure out. Gill nets=depleted fish stocks=water hauls for sport fishermen. Yea, cruising around in the Sea of Cortez is neat, but wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two.:o


Cypress,

The questions you are asking are answered in my post that you quoted:

"...committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege." Yes, that is where I have a house, spend winters and keep my boat.

"Ever count the boats loaded with.....?" Well, no. Why count them? I not only see them when they come it but I also see them when I am out there.

"Wonder why you don't catch any fish?" No, because I do catch fish. I said so.

..."wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two." Yes, and I do.

So, if you had read my post comprehensively, would you still have sent your post? What is your point in challenging me? You can't win with your (lack of) logic, reading or writing skills.
I sense that you have another agenda. However, it fell flat with your fast trigger but slow comprehension.

I will write your response for you: "I'm sorry for challenging you. I didn't read your post very carefully." Then my response would be, "Cool! Don't worry about it. We are both Nomads.":light:

Cypress - 5-29-2009 at 05:09 AM

toneart, Thanks for including my response.:D Sounds good to me. :D

Skeet/Loreto - 5-29-2009 at 02:48 PM

Cypress:

You make completely erronous statements concering people not catching Fish out of Mulege.
It is not very worthy of you to come on this board with False statements.

Why not ask Pompano? Why not got to Mulege, hang out at Jungle Jims for a couple of Hours in the late afternoon.
Go to Loreto, be at the Marina at 6 AM count the Boats going out then be there about 12 on and count the fish coming in.There is fish all over the Sea out of Mulege, Loreto, Santa Catlana!
If you think the Gill neters got them all, you are compelely off your
ROCKER!!!

Comon Cypress, start thinking and acting Positive.

You cannot make the world perfect for you Grandchildren by trying to "Control" everything that happens.

Don"t you see that in todays World??
I will make another bet!
that you have never gone to del elfonso Island got ashore and wondered why the nests and Eggs of the Birds get larger as you move up to the top.??

You must get at the truth, not someone else report in the Newspapers or College Books or the Internet??

Skeet/Loreto - 5-29-2009 at 02:57 PM

Please see Bill Erharts report on Wahoo on the Fishing Thread.

The report of Wahoo is another sign to me that the fishing will be great for a couple of years before the low cycle comes back.

Come on come to Loreto and go Fishing!!!

comitan - 5-29-2009 at 03:01 PM

Skeet I think maybe you should come back to the Baja and start a fishing school on how to catch fish.:light::light::light:

Skeet/Loreto - 5-29-2009 at 03:14 PM

Thanks Comiton: I agree with you 100% but after that Triple Bypass last May and now they have found an Abormalility after the Nuke Stress test, I had better stay close up here.But oH! my Heart breaks for the Sea of Cortez!!

Cypress:

You need to lear the Sea from the stand point of the FISH, not those Crazy Young College Profs and Students who look at everything from a Scientfic Point.
It is just like the Global Warming Thing, people do not put in the Natural part of the Equation.

For Instance: Several years ago, none of the Meicano Fisherman had every caught a Whaoo North of Catalana Islan. Several years l;ater a a 38 Lb. der was caught off of Pt. Lobos.

It is the same with the Sharks in 1948 there were Landing strips built just for Planes carrying out Shark Livers. The amout of Sharks taken was unbeleivable. they went on decline, then came back and then Japanese fisherman hit them Hard, now they are back!

So you must apply Common Sense to the Sea, not just Strict Science applied by those without Passion!!!!

You must at times RISK YOUR ASS to find the Truth of the matter.

Cypress - 5-29-2009 at 03:54 PM

Skeet/Loreto, I spent some time in Mulege. False statements? Why would I lie? I'm not going back. Would much rather brag about all the fish I caught and plan future trips. Thinking positive? I was raised fishing offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. Many miles of water. Oil rigs. Wrecks. And everything in between. Used Loran before GPS was ever invented. Positive thinking is a requirement if you're going fishing. Have fished for fun, commercially, and govt. research. Don't need you or anyone else to tell me about fishing. Have walked thru bird nests on the beach; eggs and hatchlings back in the late 50's early 60's on the barrier islands. Have picked my way thru the contents of a shrimp net also. Know about bottom/reef fishing. Been there when the shrimpers were dumping their bycatch 30 miles out in the gulf, a regular feeding frenzy. Yea the birds will be there. Could go on and on.....

mtgoat666 - 5-29-2009 at 03:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
...after that Triple Bypass last May and now they have found an Abormalility after the Nuke Stress test, I had better stay close up here.

You need to lear the Sea from the stand point of the FISH, not those Crazy Young College Profs and Students who look at everything from a Scientfic Point.
It is just like the Global Warming Thing, people do not put in the Natural part of the Equation.


:lol::lol:
funny that you neo-luddites and anti-intelectuals dismiss scientists and their computer models and theories when the scientists reveal things that cramp your style,... but you neo-luddites sure do like your cardiologists and their computers and technology and theories when you are in need of diagnosis (educated guesses) and treatment so you can continue to live in style, and continue to grumble about those dang fisheries and global warming scientists that cramp your style :lol: :lol:

Bird nests?

tehag - 5-29-2009 at 08:02 PM

OK Skeet, I'm curious, how come the eggs and nests get bigger the higher they are on Isla Ildefonso?

Skeet/Loreto - 5-30-2009 at 06:03 AM

It is called "Survival of the Fittest"

The Higher the Nest, the Larger the Bird and the Eggs for the Higher position gives you a better look and break at the Food.

I have no problems with Science that has "Common Sense".
I beleive each one of us should be able to Excersie Our Own Freewill and Accord"". Not be forced into beleiving somthing that is Theory only, Like Global Warming"

There are many who have very weak Minds who Prey on those weaker ones for their own Selfish desires. Like the Sierra Club.{Money being the Goal}.

Go and Fish the Sea of Cortez/ The Fish are waiting in Bunches.

Cypress - 5-30-2009 at 12:39 PM

Skeet/Loreto, Thanks.:yes:That's a sharp observation regarding the bird nests.:D Will remember. But, I've seen geese nesting in Osprey nests, sorta high for a goose.:)