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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto. Been there! Found out! Not good.
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toneart
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Skeet/Loreto,
The plunder is occurring while you sleep. It is happening very fast.
I see it first hand. I found out too!  Not good!
Why start a new thread when there is one running concurrently.
Current is the operative work and you, Sir, are not current.
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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto,  Sounds like a good idea! Can I choose the time of year? You made
the challenge, I'm good to go.
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Cypress
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Skeet/Loreto,
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Skeet/Loreto, |
Skeet you must have spoken to Alvaro otherwise I would have taken that bet! No, it is not too late to save this place your input is of value. We
thank you for it.
also thankyou for deleting the description of that secret spot. we all need secret spots so lets just mention general areas and keep the secret
places for those that deserve them.
[Edited on 5-27-2009 by flyfishinPam]
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Paula
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Hey, Pam, please u2u those secret spots to Don and me 
edited for poor grammar
[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Paula]
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Skeet/Loreto
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fOR THE nEWBYS"
There are certain areas and places that on nearly every given day of the year you can pull out a couple or Three good yellowtail. Does not matter the
time of year,
Folks who do not live here full time sometimes do not know of these good spots.
Sorry Pam, forgot that you are in the business of catching Fish.
I know of a place about 10 minutes from Loreto that at times you can get Lobster and it is not Catalana{30 Miles].
Also know a place that in Sept. you can catch good size Pez Gallo in very shallow water. and a Salt water Catfish or two!!
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Skeet/Loreto
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I apologize for my first Post:
In the past and present so many people who have no experience at all with the Sea of Cortez come out and try to make it and the Fisherman to be bad.
I spent 39 years on that Sea and i resent it. I was just there again about 3 months ago, I keep in contact with all of my old Mexicano Friends
including that "Now Blonde" Erisurima.
I would certainley support a very Honest and Through Program that would help the fisherman and their Familes.
The blasting of "Rich Americans" as the problem is Childist.
I observed my Best Friend Alvaro rasie his family as a Panga Fisherman.
Sorry for the Blast. I just don't like anyone telling False stories about Baja.
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Santiago
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Skeet: the very fact that you NEED to have the 39 years of experience in order to find the 'large and plentiful' fish is THE POINT. In the 50s and
60s when you started fishing I'll warrant that you were catching fish in many, many places but you learned or were shown by others those spots that
reliably help more/larger fish. These would be the prime holding/feeding spots that the larger fish control.
Soon, you would only head to those spots, ignoring most of the open water. So now, when you get down there, you head to these dozen or so spots,
catch fish and then wonder what the rest of us are talking about.
I challenge you to go out one day and fish it just like the very first time you were on the water, with no prior knowledge. Better bring a lot of beer
cause you'll need it. Honestly, does your friend Alvaro say the fishing is just as good as when you and he first started out?
I also think that WHERE you are on the SOC makes a big difference. The further south the more likely you will still get good plelagic action and the
fisherfolks will focus on those. However, in my spot, BOLA, there is only a 2 month dorado season, and many years that is a 30 mile boat ride. No
billfish or tuna to speak of. That means for most of the year, the fisherfolk pound the heck out of the 'secret spots' you speak of. It ain't a
pretty sight.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Santigo"
Correct in someways.
When I learned how to fish from Alvaro, I learnedto "Read the Water", Watch the Birds, The Weather, Clouds and so forth, not any particular spot.
If I need fish I would recall the time of year and location,go there get the fish and come Home.
Trouble with lots of GPS Fisherman that go down catch Fish in one Area, mark it on their GPS, return the next time and a different time and there is
No Fish.
The fishing comes in cycles as the Fish return in cycles. Those cycles can be interruped causing a decline in Fish at that time and Place. I think
the taking of the Squid in such large numbers caused a 5 year change in and around Mulege, Loreto, then last April the Fish came back in the
Thousands, like it was in the 60"s. WHY!!!
Even the Totatova are coming back after being taken out nearly completely.
And I saw Amberjack in Schools 6 months ago. First time to see that.
More Amberjack coming back.??
I am beginning to see that many of the socalled "Fish Specialist" Have opnly studied in school, have been brainwashed into many strange ideas about
Fishing.
Generally they all Have their own Axe to Grind?
My Friend tells me the fishing is just as good, but different.
What he says is that there are no Fisherman-- Ask Pam about the Numbers.
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Cypress
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Oh well! Glad that my fishing isn't limited to the Sea of Cortez, inshore or offshore.  A thirty mile run to catch a pelagic fish is about average, considering fuel costs etc. You can do that most anywhere off the coast of the
good old USA. Baja is a sweet place, but those gill nets are killing the fishing.
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Frank
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If it was just about catching it wouldnt be called fishing. I like having to figure the patterns out, watch for the signs etc you know, fishing.
Ive only been coming down for 8 years or so now, so to me these are the good ole days.
I'll crimp down my barbs, use circle hooks when possible and release everything Im not going to eat that night.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Good on Frank;
There are small things that we can do which help a very small part of the Sea of Cortez. Being careful when you catch and release.
I hear from my friends that the Shark have come back good in the upper waters. Any reports from the San Felipe, Bay of Los Angeles Area concerning
increase in Shark Activity?
Sure do miss those good Thresher Steaks, smoked over the coals.
Skeet/Loreto
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Frank
If it was just about catching it wouldnt be called fishing. I like having to figure the patterns out, watch for the signs etc you know, fishing.
Ive only been coming down for 8 years or so now, so to me these are the good ole days.
I'll crimp down my barbs, use circle hooks when possible and release everything Im not going to eat that night. |
There you go! That's my attitude too, Frank.
Skeet/Loreto is the only old timer fisherman that doesn't notice the decline. It sounds like he softening his tone though. That's good. Loreto may be
not be as fished out as Mulege, I don't know.
I certainly don't begrudge Pam for making her living by fishing and as a guide.
I do know that there are spots around Mulege that yield pretty well, and sometimes we get skunked. We see the gill netters, seiners and shrimp
trawlers scraping the bottom, and we have all noticed the decline in fish. They simply can't regenerate at that pace.
I fish for food. I am not one to hoard or load up on Yellowtail. If I catch one, I am happy. I love to fish for Pinto Bass too because they are good
eating. They seem to be in the usual "spots". If I catch my limit (5), I will share with friends or have a fish fry with a few people.
Just being on the water there is so wonderful. I don't care if I occasionally get skunked. I can still go to Scotty's and brag or lie with the best of
them. I just don't have that huge passion for catching fish. For me, having my own boat and fishing enhances or compliments my total Mulege
experience. Some fishermen don't understand my attitude but I don't care. They don't get me and I don't get them.
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Cypress
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toneart, Sounds like you're committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege. It's
a wonderful area. Ever count the boats loaded with gill nets coming and going
each day? Hooka divers? Wonder why you don't catch any fish? I get it, not too hard to figure out. Gill nets=depleted fish stocks=water hauls for
sport fishermen. Yea, cruising around in the Sea of Cortez is neat, but wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Have all the fish gone somewhere?
I was there 3 months ago and there were fish everywhere.
Maybe, just maybe do we have some , Fishing Problems Fishers??
Maybe you should hire Alex to show you where the fish are Hiding??Or go to del elfonso, If you can't catch fish on that Island there is something very
wrong with you or your fishing Gear.
How about off the Northeast tip of San marcus??
Oh well ! I wish you luck.
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Bajajack
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There's plenty of Fishies there, Skeet said so and if you guys can't find em, well maybe you need more training.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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woody with a view
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i back Pam on keeping secret spots under the radar. no names and crop out landmarks.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
toneart, Sounds like you're committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege. It's
a wonderful area. Ever count the boats loaded with gill nets coming and going
each day? Hooka divers? Wonder why you don't catch any fish? I get it, not too hard to figure out. Gill nets=depleted fish stocks=water hauls for
sport fishermen. Yea, cruising around in the Sea of Cortez is neat, but wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two. |
Cypress,
The questions you are asking are answered in my post that you quoted:
"...committed to fishing the vicinity near Mulege." Yes, that is where I have a house, spend winters and keep my boat.
"Ever count the boats loaded with.....?" Well, no. Why count them? I not only see them when they come it but I also see them when I am out there.
"Wonder why you don't catch any fish?" No, because I do catch fish. I said so.
..."wouldn't you like to catch a fish or two." Yes, and I do.
So, if you had read my post comprehensively, would you still have sent your post? What is your point in challenging me? You can't win with your
(lack of) logic, reading or writing skills.
I sense that you have another agenda. However, it fell flat with your fast trigger but slow comprehension.
I will write your response for you: "I'm sorry for challenging you. I didn't read your post very carefully." Then my response would be, "Cool! Don't
worry about it. We are both Nomads."
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Cypress
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toneart, Thanks for including my response. Sounds good to me.
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