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seiner with helicopter spotter off Loreto

bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 04:14 PM

This afternoon this seiner with a helicopter spotter was 15 miles north of Loreto at San Bruno Reef. They seemed to be scouting, and there was no sign of yellowfin in the area.

seiner 1

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bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 04:14 PM

seiner 2

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bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 04:15 PM

seiner 3

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bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 04:16 PM

seiner 4

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David K - 6-8-2009 at 04:23 PM

Amazing!

I guess they didn't read the thread about the Sea of Cortez being dead and fished out? :lol:

What country are they from Bill?

Russ - 6-8-2009 at 04:36 PM

It was also reported up here too. Maybe not the same huge seiner but a helo was working Santa Inez Isl. to San Bruno area. Maybe those big guys have move up from Cabo??

Von - 6-8-2009 at 04:53 PM

We should blow up those boats....:spingrin:

Cypress - 6-8-2009 at 04:58 PM

They must have taken a wrong turn somewhere along the line. Expect the owners will be getting bankruptcy papers filed as soon as they get out of the Sea of Cortez.:lol:

bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Amazing!

I guess they didn't read the thread about the Sea of Cortez being dead and fished out? :lol:

What country are they from Bill?


I don't know the nationality of the boat. It had a wind sock on the bow, but no flag was visible. The name of the boat is the Maria Rosana.

elgatoloco - 6-8-2009 at 06:18 PM

The IATTC shows effective 20 October 2000 a seiner by the name Maria Rosana as registered by Mexico to fish the eastern Pacific. The ship has a well capacity of 906 metric tons.

Russ - 6-8-2009 at 06:38 PM

Ships specs:

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Curt63 - 6-8-2009 at 07:32 PM

I saw that boat out there today. My panguera, Francisco/ Pancho/ Blacky said he would report them if they crossed in to the preserve.

Awesome Dorado bite on a dead whale today. I got 2 25lb bulls.

The sardina boats absolutely killed all fishing in Mulege the last several days. 30 boats moved in and worked it for a week it was DEAD

For everyone that told me not to take the trailer with 2 quads on the road from Puertocitos to Gonzaga, you were right. That road is really rough, sometimes steep and technical. I would`nt have made it without 4WD and extereme patience

RTS551 and Shari, see you on Tues or Wed

Otherwise trip is awesome (scallop tacos at Panchos in Mulege are the BOMB)

Did anyone go to the Pig roast at Panchos on Sun Night¿

Saludos

bill erhardt - 6-8-2009 at 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Curt63


Awesome Dorado bite on a dead whale today. I got 2 25lb bulls.

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Do you recognize this guy? I came across him Saturday afternoon and caught about a dozen dorado up to 44# from around him.

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Crusoe - 6-8-2009 at 08:45 PM

These vessels and air support are really bringing in a large shipment of cocaine! So convieniently, the Mexican Navy and other enforcement officials are at least 100 miles north or south of where this action is. They are not "just fishing".Be safe and don't go anywhere near these folks after dark!!! ++C++

bacquito - 6-9-2009 at 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by bill erhardt
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Originally posted by Curt63


Awesome Dorado bite on a dead whale today. I got 2 25lb bulls.

/quote]

Do you recognize this guy? I came across him Saturday afternoon and caught about a dozen dorado up to 44# from around him.


What kind of whale is it? I was in the Ensenada harbor a couple of days ago and there was a dead whale about that size in the harbor and I was told it was a blue whale.

shari - 6-9-2009 at 09:23 AM

awww....so sad...this is a male sperm whale and looks pretty small...almost calf like...see the skinny lower jaw with the teeth and bulbous head.

David K - 6-9-2009 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Crusoe
These vessels and air support are really bringing in a large shipment of cocaine! So convieniently, the Mexican Navy and other enforcement officials are at least 100 miles north or south of where this action is. They are not "just fishing".Be safe and don't go anywhere near these folks after dark!!! ++C++


That's quite a claim!

dead sperm whale calf

bill erhardt - 6-9-2009 at 11:35 AM

Shari.......I don't know how big newborn sperm whales are, but this one was definitely a juvenile. I would estimate 20' - 25'. There were no obvious signs of injury.

shari - 6-9-2009 at 11:38 AM

yes, it probably was not a newborn...but I use the term calf for any whale under a year...then they are juveniles so this guy was probably in that vicinity between calf and juvenile...he has a small jaw...

Cypress - 6-9-2009 at 12:05 PM

I think that Shari has more than a little experience regarding whales. Appreciate her expertise.:)

Don Alley - 6-9-2009 at 01:41 PM

We saw this seiner fishing today, a short distance north of Coronado Island and the Marine PArk boundary. They were pulling in black skipjack in front of an audience of four pangas.

We saw one manta ray in the net. A crew member went in the water, and with a knife cut the net and released the manta. Thumbs up for that.

I'm a big fan of skippies and hate to see the seiners on them, but I'm one of a very few sport fishermen who appreciates them so I guess the commercials will continue to be allowed to take them.

Currently, however (today through Thursday) the Marine Park is having meeting to revise their management plans. One item being discussed is to expand the park to encompass the entire municipality.

Why?

Dave - 6-10-2009 at 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Von
We should blow up those boats....:spingrin:


Those are commercial fishing vessels. These people make a living and feed their familes from the proceeds of the catch.

fishbuck - 6-10-2009 at 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Von
We should blow up those boats....:spingrin:


Those are commercial fishing vessels. These people make a living and feed their familes from the proceeds of the catch.


Ya, the whales, dolphines, sea turtles, marlin, sharks etc...
They sell they rest. And that is all the fish in that area. All of them!
That's a Tuna Clipper. Built for the Pacific.
Why is he fishing that boat in Loreto?

flyfishinPam - 6-10-2009 at 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Don Alley
We saw this seiner fishing today, a short distance north of Coronado Island and the Marine PArk boundary. They were pulling in black skipjack in front of an audience of four pangas.

We saw one manta ray in the net. A crew member went in the water, and with a knife cut the net and released the manta. Thumbs up for that.

I'm a big fan of skippies and hate to see the seiners on them, but I'm one of a very few sport fishermen who appreciates them so I guess the commercials will continue to be allowed to take them.

Currently, however (today through Thursday) the Marine Park is having meeting to revise their management plans. One item being discussed is to expand the park to encompass the entire municipality.


DON I shed tears over that and I reported it. Its difficult for me to discuss right now but NOBODY in official position had their VHF on and complaints via radio went unanswered. My Captain Eulogio phoned me by cell at 11:17 a.m. and I then phoned Eco Alianza. She called the Marine Park (they were not inside the park) and I called PESCA and PROFEPA. They told me they would send a boat.

To make a long and frustrating story short, that boat finally left at 12:52 p.m.

The acts that I physically made at the marina yesterday with these guys would have gotten me a one way ticket back to the USA had I not recently been endowed with citizenship.

I can go on but this is very upsetting for me

flyfishinPam - 6-10-2009 at 09:27 AM

DON was this the same seiner that you saw yesterday???? Eulogio's report was they were heading South and fishing about 2 to 3 miles from Coronado!! That is definately illegal.
The results of the check, was that the boat had all the proper paperwork and their hold was checked and everything was legal.

PLEASE! keep in mind the law says that you cannon go withing 250 meters of a commercial boat thats working!!! I hope you have a telephoto lens Bill that guy was looking right at you!

edit- I decided to leave it but "cannon" was really an honest a typo :lol:

[Edited on 6-10-2009 by flyfishinPam]

Don Alley - 6-10-2009 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
DON was this the same seiner that you saw yesterday???? Eulogio's report was they were heading South and fishing about 2 to 3 miles from Coronado!! That is definately illegal.
The results of the check, was that the boat had all the proper paperwork and their hold was checked and everything was legal.

PLEASE! keep in mind the law says that you cannon go withing 250 meters of a commercial boat thats working!!! I hope you have a telephoto lens Bill that guy was looking right at you!


OK, we saw the boat pull in its net on Tuesday, a couple of miles NORTH of Coronado, outside the park. I don't have an exact location. And yes, it is the same Boat Bill photographed.

On our way in (after the net was pulled) we saw the Park patrol boat heading that way.



[Edited on 6-10-2009 by Don Alley]

flyfishinPam - 6-10-2009 at 10:31 AM

Don, I odn't know where to start but we reported that boat at 11:17 a.m. I personally reported it to PROFEPA at 11:22. PROFEPA has no boat. PESCA only has presence of an overworked secretary and the marine park only has one working boat. That boat, the Danzante departed the marina at 12:52 p.m. crap in my panga I can get all the way to Mencenarios within that time! I'm so angry but I cannon believe the slow response. Actually I can believe it but I have missled placed my notes on this gun I'm sure I'll find them somewhere.

flyfishinPam - 6-10-2009 at 10:41 AM

NOM 029 allows boats under 30 feet that hold commerical permits to fish for shark and rays within ten miles of the shoreline and boats from to 89 feet to fish from 15 miles of the shoreline. The protected area before this regulation was 50 miles.

This is a tuna boat and I doubt they can come in this close.

If that boat was within 3 miles of the shoreline, and the captains know where it was, this rig was in violation of the law. Unfortunately the one functioning panga (from what I was told) the Danzante just happened to be at Isla Montserrate counting bird eggs. It arrived empty of fuel just before noon and that fuel took at least an hour to get. We all know how far away the PEMEX is from there. They were at the ramp waiting for fuel at noon when I checked on them they said thery were waiting for fuel. They departed at 12:52
the Danzante has a 100hp yamaha and is a long slender boat that looks like she can sure cruise at a good pace. in the ideal sea conditions of yesterday at that time if she were ready to be dispatched when the report was made, she would have made it to where the commerical boat was fishing by 11:50am. but they left at 12:52 add on half an hour and by 1:30pm the seiner was certainly beyond the restricted zone and all nice and legal

Don Alley - 6-10-2009 at 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Don, I odn't know where to start but we reported that boat at 11:17 a.m. I personally reported it to PROFEPA at 11:22. PROFEPA has no boat. PESCA only has presence of an overworked secretary and the marine park only has one working boat. That boat, the Danzante departed the marina at 12:52 p.m. crap in my panga I can get all the way to Mencenarios within that time! I'm so angry but I cannon believe the slow response. Actually I can believe it but I have missled placed my notes on this gun I'm sure I'll find them somewhere.


Whoa, yes, you sound angry all right.

No working PROFEPA boat, no PESCA boat, one Park boat, and a pile of brand new, crated Honda engines sitting in the marina parking lot, from the government. Something is wrong with that picture.

It boggles my mine that the Park people don't share your passion for the Park and vicinity, and these situations re-inforce the perception that the Park is nothing more than a scam to employ some folks funded with gringo dollars.

I remember earlier in the year a seiner wrapped yellowfin tuna just a couple of miles off San Jose del Cabo and the authorities said it was legal. Then a week later they chased pangas off the same spot and said no one was allowed to fish there.

Sure would be nice to have clear, concise, published fishing regulations.

I submitted some written comments yesterday to the Park on their new management plan, and they are adding a meeting in English for the gringos on Friday, 3:30. I'll email you my comments, about 4 pages of babble.

Russ - 6-10-2009 at 12:25 PM

Some stuf on Mexican tuna fleet
"Washington’s refusal to allow Mexican tuna to be certified as ‘dolphin-safe’ because the country’s fishermen are allowed to use encircling, or ‘purse-seine’, nets, which often trap dolphins along with the fish." Source:http://tunaseiners.com/blog/2009/05/dispute-panel-established-in-dolphin-safe-case-despite-us-objections/#more-1080

More on the tuna fleet from the tuna industry side:fire: http://tunaseiners.com/blog/es/gallery/mexican/

flyfishinPam - 6-10-2009 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Don Alley
Quote:
Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Don, I odn't know where to start but we reported that boat at 11:17 a.m. I personally reported it to PROFEPA at 11:22. PROFEPA has no boat. PESCA only has presence of an overworked secretary and the marine park only has one working boat. That boat, the Danzante departed the marina at 12:52 p.m. crap in my panga I can get all the way to Mencenarios within that time! I'm so angry but I cannon believe the slow response. Actually I can believe it but I have missled placed my notes on this gun I'm sure I'll find them somewhere.


Whoa, yes, you sound angry all right.

No working PROFEPA boat, no PESCA boat, one Park boat, and a pile of brand new, crated Honda engines sitting in the marina parking lot, from the government. Something is wrong with that picture.

It boggles my mine that the Park people don't share your passion for the Park and vicinity, and these situations re-inforce the perception that the Park is nothing more than a scam to employ some folks funded with gringo dollars.

I remember earlier in the year a seiner wrapped yellowfin tuna just a couple of miles off San Jose del Cabo and the authorities said it was legal. Then a week later they chased pangas off the same spot and said no one was allowed to fish there.

Sure would be nice to have clear, concise, published fishing regulations.

I submitted some written comments yesterday to the Park on their new management plan, and they are adding a meeting in English for the gringos on Friday, 3:30. I'll email you my comments, about 4 pages of babble.


you missled that one Don :lol: