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Remember the three teenagers deported?

arrowhead - 6-17-2009 at 01:19 PM

The ones grabbed by ICE at the trolly station? Today they let them back into the US on "humanitarian" grounds.

DENNIS - 6-17-2009 at 01:40 PM

I don't recall the story. On what humanitarian grounds were they admitted?

arrowhead - 6-17-2009 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't recall the story. On what humanitarian grounds were they admitted?


There's an article in todays SDUT on it. The humanitarian grounds were to reunite then with their illegal immigrant parents and let them go to court and argue their immigration case. The article also clarifies that ICE asked them if they had anybody legal in the US who they could be released to so they would not be immediately deported, but the kids wouldn't identify anybody, especially not their illegal parents.

That's why the were deported, and not given a court date.

Bajahowodd - 6-17-2009 at 04:58 PM

Can't we all just get along?
-Rodney King

Woooosh - 6-17-2009 at 05:12 PM

I know what it's like to have mixed status families. very hard oneveryone. But the parents could have returned to Mexico to be reunited with their children and the whole family could ask for asylum or whatever together. It is alwasy hard with families- and children in school is good (so long as they are legally entitiled to be there)

Bajajack - 6-17-2009 at 05:15 PM

The parents should have been deported also, that way they would be together as one big happy family living in TJ, where they should be.

And California wonders why the system is broke!

:lol:

BajaBruno - 6-17-2009 at 05:43 PM

Much of the time, stories such as these are quite a bit deeper than originally reported.

drzura - 6-17-2009 at 05:58 PM

I agree with legal immigration into the United States. All I can say is, California is getting what is deserves.... Thank god I do not live there anymore.

Woooosh - 6-17-2009 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by drzura
I agree with legal immigration into the United States. All I can say is, California is getting what is deserves.... Thank god I do not live there anymore.


I think CA gets their share of illegal immigrants andassociated problems, but there are illegal immigrants everywhere. A lot of people in the USA who have never been around anyone other than white are having a lot harder time than californians dealing with immigration.

Vancouver has it's chinese influx, the mid-west had the Hmong, it all takes some getting used to for some. Some never get used to it. Many resent being a minority now. But California has always been so mixed up (in many ways)- it gave them a social cushion.

I hope changes are made for the right reasons- not because money is tight. JMHO

BajaBruno - 6-17-2009 at 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Bajajack

And California wonders why the system is broke!


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Originally posted by drzura
All I can say is, California is getting what is deserves....


I assume we are all aware that "California" has no say whatsoever in how federal immigration laws are enforced or interpreted. That is purely a federal law enforcement issue.

drzura - 6-17-2009 at 06:47 PM

I am sorry to say that California is so screwed up with their priorities. The state will be insolvent in about 30 days if they cannot cut 24 billion dollars from their budget. Like I said, they get what they deserve, and what I mean by that is; the people that keep voting these a-- holes back into office. And, yes Calfornia does have a say, they can place the national guard along the border..

[Edited on 6-18-2009 by drzura]

gnukid - 6-17-2009 at 07:36 PM

This is good news for California.

The action by DHS to detain and deport was illegal. Just like we said. Done.

Due process was denied. The kids were under no reasonable cause for suspicion, not guilty of crimes, so they could not be processed and deported in the manner so abruptly without due process. What a waste of resources and poor training for the new DHS guys who were ordered to take actions that day. It was a bad example and heads should roll.

Interesting and great news for California to get on track with lawful border protection. Let's put the policing resources where the belong, street crossing guards, helping old ladies, being good guys, assisting with lost dogs and cats and regular stuff that we need not this wasteful nonsense.

Bajajack - 6-17-2009 at 07:59 PM

If you're in the country illegally you've already committed a crime.

:cool:

gnukid - 6-17-2009 at 08:06 PM

yeah probably true, but the point is cops can't just grab anyone off the street and arrest them without charging them with an actionable offense, a crime, first, then after they get prosecuted and they are guilty then you can deport them. Its some silly law or concept called habeus corpus, something silly like a US constitution er some darn thing the American people got in dem laws the cops swore to uphold and whatnot, junior.

gnukid - 6-17-2009 at 08:09 PM

Cops broke the law - "the kids are alright" The Who

rpleger - 6-17-2009 at 08:17 PM

gnukid....I like you better everyday....

Woooosh - 6-17-2009 at 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
yeah probably true, but the point is cops can't just grab anyone off the street and arrest them without charging them with an actionable offense, a crime, first, then after they get prosecuted and they are guilty then you can deport them. Its some silly law or concept called habeus corpus, something silly like a US constitution er some darn thing the American people got in dem laws the cops swore to uphold and whatnot, junior.


... does Homeland Security have to play by those rules too? I thought unbridled freedom ended with 911. I think they have a freer hand this close to the border. Not sure if everyone is on the same page or the same book even.

Hook - 6-17-2009 at 09:29 PM

I'd like to see due process for aspiring immigrants ..............the process laid down for becoming a legal immigrant.

Bajahowodd - 6-17-2009 at 11:41 PM

My memory is a little faded. But wasn't it Reagan who oversaw the last amnesty program? Wasn't it for some reasons among many, that we needed the cheap, dependable labor? Wasn't it also about the century-old cross-border co-mingling in the Southwest? Seems to me that this issue was never really on the national stage until the cost of living became so high in SOCAL, among others, that the folks started migrating to Des Moines, Memphis, and Raleigh, where they were clearly not a part of the local culture.

Woooosh - 6-17-2009 at 11:59 PM

Interesting you say that about inward migration being caused by the high cost of living in the souwest. That's the push. I have a sister-in-law who plucks chickens in Des Moines. The word gets out when the big employers become easy employers for illegals and they go there. That's the pull. That's how my sister ended up in a place she can't pronounce- having been bumped from her job in Witch-Cheetah (Wichita).

LOSARIPES - 6-18-2009 at 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
yeah probably true, but the point is cops can't just grab anyone off the street and arrest them without charging them with an actionable offense, a crime, first, then after they get prosecuted and they are guilty then you can deport them. Its some silly law or concept called habeus corpus, something silly like a US constitution er some darn thing the American people got in dem laws the cops swore to uphold and whatnot, junior.


Your are so right.... cops can't just target people by their looks..

DENNIS - 6-18-2009 at 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by LOSARIPES
Your are so right.... cops can't just target people by their looks..


The majority don't but, as in war, they have to start somewhere and racial profiling can't be avoided in any type of social interaction, legal or not. To think it could be is ridiculous. People strive for a cultural identity and when that individuality is recognized and used by police, its seen as abusive. Racial groups just can't have it all their way in a foreign culture.

Geo_Skip - 6-18-2009 at 08:31 AM

WTF...I find myself actually agreeing with gnukid! Cops need to PROVE probable cause before snatching anyone, citizens of ultimately people who cannot prove citizenship. Otherwise WE ARE ALL potential arrestable for no probable cause.

LOSARIPES - 6-19-2009 at 04:50 AM

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Originally posted by Geo_Skip
WTF...I find myself actually agreeing with gnukid! Cops need to PROVE probable cause before snatching anyone, citizens of ultimately people who cannot prove citizenship. Otherwise WE ARE ALL potential arrestable for no probable cause.


The key word is BEFORE.... snatching anyone. Otherwise it is a crime. That is the law, and that's why they "catch and release" so many times.

We are all potentially arrestable... in fact we are. Look at what happens at airports when they select passengers for second screening. They go by "whoever is next in line when the screener is ready for the next one"... it doesn't matter if it is an old sweet lady. They can't discriminate ... it has to be random. That is the policy. Now in practicality, yes, there are those racist cops who will twist, bend and break the law. We just can't help that.

Are we arrestable on the street? If they profile and you are not "legally blond" ... yes. If they don't profile then it doesn't matter what kind of pup you are... you'll probably be questioned and inconvenienced.