Russ - 6-23-2009 at 02:04 PM
Nada, nothing, ZERO
But we had a nice boat ride.
Skipjack Joe - 6-23-2009 at 02:07 PM
I can sense your frustration, Russ.
Cypress - 6-23-2009 at 02:27 PM
Russ, Wish you luck. As a year 'round resident you see what's happening on a day-by-day basis. You're not relying on old memories, 30 yr. old fishing
stories, etc. I'd be down there now if the fishing was anywhere close to what it is cracked up to be.
Skeet/Loreto - 6-23-2009 at 04:19 PM
Cypress: Please !Please! stay up in the States and never come down to help us poor old Folks catch what is left of these wonderful Fish> I would
appreciate your coorperation.
Russ: You should remember that anytime before and approaching Storm that the fishing in the Sea of Cortez changes, I learned that more than 30 years
ago Cypress?!
Watch your Barometer next time and you want even go out.
Skeet/Loreto[An old timer of more than 30 years ago} Still catching all the fish I can eat.
Cypress - 6-23-2009 at 04:35 PM
I will fully cooperate. 
And may you continue to dream about what you
were doing 30 yrs. ago.
rpleger - 6-23-2009 at 05:01 PM
Itīs sad that the commercial boats are screwing up the fishing for everyone...
drzura - 6-23-2009 at 05:06 PM
Hello Russ. What is the water temperature right now? I will be coming down (San Lucas Cove) on the 19th of July and am crossing my fingers with the
hope that the fishing will be decent. We will be fishing off of San Marcos Island for dorado and maybe the bajos for some yellowtail. What are those
big boats fishing for; sardines, dorado, or both?
Damion
Russ - 6-23-2009 at 05:31 PM
iflyfishpam mentioned the falling barometer yesterday> I have noticed the same thing too. Yesterday and the day before a lot of fish were caught
but most said there was a major lockjaw going on. They could see the dorado and sails but few takers. A guide from Mulege took some clients out just
south of where we went today and did really well. So there are fish out there you just have to find them.
The big seiner was loading up the haul from the smaller ones. It is pretty low in the water compared to the photos taken of it off Loreto a while
back. There are scum lines everywhere of dead sardines and I suspect that may be part of the reason for the lock jaw. Even the bird are slow to take
wing they're so full.
Our big dorado tourney is this weekend and we are all watching Andre closely.
mulegemichael - 6-23-2009 at 06:01 PM
russ, when we fished it in the past month, and i mean almost daily for 3 weeks, we sometimes would troll for 4-5 hours without a munch..then...we'd
find a little floating "something", a glob of squid, a little pallet, a paddy, whatever...and it would just GO OFF..no kidding...the deal is to find
something floating..and the fish will be there...mateo at the mouth of the river won the dorado tourney by fishing a dead sea lion....look for
something floating and be willing to put your time in..we fished with "mr bill" for two days...ask him how crazy it was..i hate the commercial boys..
BajaBruno - 6-23-2009 at 06:10 PM
The concept that atmospheric pressure affects fish has been repeated so many times for so many years that it has become "common knowledge."
But, with all respect to Skeet and others, I am not really convinced of this, albeit strictly from a scientific perspective. Water is so much denser
than air that a fish swimming at five or ten feet could equalize the pressure of even a large storm by moving just a foot or two in the water column.
With the varying depths that most pelagic fish roam, I can't imagine how they could even notice a difference in atmospheric pressure.
Now, associated with weather fronts are rain, waves, and reduced light from clouds, and maybe these could make a difference to fishing success, but
I'm not convinced that any fish could notice a difference in their swim bladder pressure by a passing front.
However, I am, as always, willing to be educated if someone has a better idea.
Pescador - 6-23-2009 at 06:38 PM
Well, Bajabruno, you just need to fish more and you will come to realize that a falling barometer shuts off both freshwater and saltwater fish. That
does not mean that they will not eat, but their aggresiveness goes way down just before a storm. But that is not the whole picture, they actually
increase their activity when the change is first triggered. Secondly, it seems to really effect the baitfish much more strongly which is what
triggers the behavior in terms of the predators. So yes, both the predator and the predatee are effected by very slight changes.
baitcast - 6-23-2009 at 07:02 PM
I have watched this phenomenon for many years both sweet water and salt,carried a barometer also forever for what ever reason a falling barometer
would shut off a bite
watch any of these bass shows and you will hear time and
again the same old thing "yep a fronts moving in and shutting everything down"
Pam was just talking about this yesterday with the blow down south,slowing the dodo bite.
Rob
and I,m also waiting for that picture!
[Edited on 6-24-2009 by baitcast]
Bob and Susan - 6-23-2009 at 07:37 PM
what about the new moon
the moon is currently lined with the sun
really high tides too
BajaBruno - 6-23-2009 at 08:58 PM
Pescador may have something here...."Secondly, it seems to really effect the baitfish much more strongly which is what triggers the behavior in terms
of the predators."
There is some not-well-understood (at least by me) evidence that plankton are impacted by atmospheric pressure, and they are the food for many
baitfish. The atmospheric pressure/plankton relationship may be secondary, i.e. it may be reduced sunlight or surface turbulence that makes them
move, but either way, that could help explain the observed phenomena.
I'm not saying the relationship between atmospheric pressure and poor fishing doesn't exist, as Pescador, Skeet, et al maintain---just that I doubt it
is a direct relationship on the predator fish. But, keep talking....there may be something unexpected here....
Skipjack Joe - 6-23-2009 at 10:58 PM
Let's say you work at a hatchery or a fish farm. And it's your responsibility to throw out that meal twice a day.
Do you think the fish will feed less ravenously when there is a barometric pressure change?
It's simple enough to observe.
Skeet/Loreto - 6-24-2009 at 06:20 AM
Good stuff being discussed.
For nearly 27 years I kept very good records on Temp, Barometer, etc at Loreto. Also did some recording of the Fishin at Full Moon.
Here in The panhandle my one Dog reacts very baddly when the Presure changes come ahead of the Thunderstorms. We have to give him Prosac to keep him
calm.
I think it is true also with fish, but cannot prove it.
There is so much about Nature that we just have to accept.
Cypress: 2 months ago went to my favorite hole near Coronodo, caught 3 27 lb yellowtail, then up to Mulege and caught my limit of Dorodo.
How about you??
Cypress - 6-24-2009 at 06:42 AM
Skeet/Loreto, Congrats on your catch. No pargo? No grouper? I'll return to the MS/LA marsh country this fall for redfish, specs, flounder etc. For now
at least, I'm done with offshore fishing. Meanwhile the bluegill and crappie are keeping me happy. Glad to hear you caught some fish down in
Baja.
Russ - 6-24-2009 at 07:00 AM
I know we hammer the commercial fishermen pretty hard here but when it comes to the bottom line it is Mexico's lawmakers that are the true villains in
this tragedy. The fishermen are just doing what they can to put beans on the table if they even have a table. Again it is the almighty $ that rules
and there are enough $$ to pay a bunch of $$ in every ones pocket...... today. It is so easy to be angry at the fishermen and boats that are so
visible but I'm trying to lower my frustration level and try to remember who are the true villains here. It helps some......
Hook - 6-24-2009 at 07:10 AM
I blame the local enforcement bureaucrats/officers even more, Russ.
If they would just enforce the existing rules on dorado and marlin laid down by the lawmakers, there would be plenty of both those species for
everyone.
Skeet/Loreto - 6-24-2009 at 07:14 AM
Cypress: I am headed to the Gunnison River near Creasted Butte for ome fishin next week. Hope to get a copule of Trout.
As I rememmber the Tide change also effects some of the areas of fishiong out about 15 miles from Loreto. Anybody have noticed any changing during the
Tide Times??
For many years my Mother would not fish when she could see that the Cows were laying down in the Pasture>
She always said that it was low pressure time and fishin wasn't any good at that time.
Pescador - 6-24-2009 at 07:51 AM
Barometer is very important but the most important thing for reef fishes in the sea of Cortez is the tidal movement. In the winter this is directly
related to the tide change. I can look at good tide tables and pretty accurately predict which days are going to be good for yellowtail and which
days you might just as well stay in camp. This is definately related to the baitfish issue. However, just when you think you understand, along comes
June and because of the difference between tides and current there is a really hot fishing time for yellowtail that does not coincide with tides, but
the current is still there. It would be very interesting to have a current meter set up on the north side of San Marcos Island and you could tell
when things were going to get good.
I get a big kick out of a few guys who fish pretty hard for spotted bay bass who think that the bass are all caught up in the seine nets fromt the
trawlers working out front, but they have no idea about the tides or currents. I change time according to the currents and go out and catch as many
bass as before but adapt to current times.
baitcast - 6-24-2009 at 10:25 AM
Skeet do not concern yourself with Cypress and his negativity something bad must have happened to him in Mulege,must not have got a fish who knows. He
needed a mentor I think
Rob
He,s fishing for shellcrackers now
Rob
Cypress - 6-24-2009 at 11:01 AM
baitcast. I really doubt that Skeet needs your advive about me or anything else. Everything about Mulege was fantastic. One super great place with
some mighty fine residents. If telling the truth about the lack of reef fish in the Mulege area is negative, I'm guilty. What's wrong with fishing for
shellcrackers?
Skeet/Loreto - 6-24-2009 at 11:52 AM
There was a time in Mulege when it was known as "The Grouper Capitol of Baja".
One day at Delfonso I caught a 100 lbder and a 180 Lbder on Back to back Cast into about 40 feet of water.
The only good place near Mulege that I know for reef fish is off of the Point on the East side of Conception.
I think that as years went by and Silt builtup in and around the outlet at Mulege that it did affect the close in Fishing.
Do any of you remmember the 1,000 Grouper{Jew Fish} that resided near the Point off of Kino Bay??
I heard a lot of stories but was never quite sure if it was a True Story or Not.
Skeet
Did Someone say 'Jew Fish"
LaTijereta - 6-24-2009 at 02:37 PM
Here you go Skeet...
