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Mulege Malecon Update?

Bob H - 7-24-2009 at 10:00 AM

We were in Mulege in 2007 and saw construction going on for a malecon along the river. What is the status of this?
Anyone have a photo update?
Bob H

Cypress - 7-24-2009 at 01:42 PM

Bob H, It's neat along river. From the bridge down to the lighthouse on both the north and south side. Padrons on the north and the pig roast on the south, can't remember the name of the pig roast crew. :yes:

Russ - 7-24-2009 at 02:27 PM

Serinidad?

Cypress - 7-24-2009 at 02:32 PM

Russ, Yep! Thanks.

Come see Yourself

Mulegena - 7-24-2009 at 04:09 PM

The North River Road to the Lighthouse is being seriously worked: from Saul's its graded (bumps smoothed) with 2-foot wide "sidewalks" in place; further east the rock wall is being blasted, widening the road; the road is way-smooth in front of Huerta Don Chano with what appears to be a division (don't know the intention here).

There is still a very, very narrow dirt single-lane across the river, north to south. The two relatively tiny (10 inch) aluminum culverts are still serving to drain the natural spring water from up-river out into the brackish river/sea water.

I understand that the mouth of the river at the lighthouse is deeper. However, upriver boats and kayaks must be exited and dragged over ankle-deep water. The other day I saw a man walk across the river from the Oasis to the other side.

The weather is hot and humid and the Sea of Cortez and Bay of Conception is fabulous for dips, skinny and otherwise.

toneart - 7-24-2009 at 07:28 PM

Post pictures, Mulegena, cooling off in the water.

Regarding the river road on the North side, I hope they put in speed bumps. They were speeding way too fast before the improvements. It has to be worse now.

edited to correct jumpy finger typo syndrome.

[Edited on 7-25-2009 by toneart]

Udo - 7-25-2009 at 09:43 AM

A malecon along the river banks would really be cool!

squid - 7-25-2009 at 09:08 PM

Well, the Governor of BCS wants to retire on the north side @ Loma Azul.
Any more question why the road is done so fancy?
And speed bumps are the most rediculous thing in the world. For Mexicans only good to speed up, brake hard, get over the bump (topes) and speed up again. And all that with the broken exhaust - which is mandatory in Mexico)

Martyman - 7-27-2009 at 03:48 PM

Yea, Speed bumps suck!

David K - 7-27-2009 at 04:38 PM

Drove the north river road out to El Patron last week... there was some construction for a divided road east of town and west of El Patron, but very limited... maybe 1000 feet long... some signs that there will be a sidewalk... but nothing much more than the way it was 2 years ago when we were last there.

[Edited on 7-27-2009 by David K]

Why?

toneart - 7-27-2009 at 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Martyman
Yea, Speed bumps suck!

I have seen dogs hit and killed on the north side river road. If they don't die outright, they are left on the road crying that horrible cry that unmistakably means it is severely and/or fatally injured. Children walk and play along that road. Families walk along that road. It is just a matter of time before someone is hit by a speeding car. Or one is going to lose control and crash into the river. I mean, they go 60-70MPH, kicking up clouds of dust. Alcohol is often involved. It happens all day and all night. Martyman and Squid. Would you want this happening if you and your family lived along this stretch of road?

The fishcamp family down near the most heavily populated part of the road has had his own speedbump there for years.

Speed bumps do slow down speeders. These are locals who are speeding. Once the speed bumps are installed they will learn quickly to slow down.

Cypress - 7-27-2009 at 05:46 PM

Lived on the north side of the river about 50 feet from the road at Don Chano's. On weekends the noise from passing vehicles with loud radio/cd's blasting would wake me up sometimes. But vehicles going 60 or 70 MPH, no way!.

Mulegena - 7-27-2009 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Mulegena
The North River Road to the Lighthouse is being seriously worked: widening the road; the road is way-smooth in front of Huerta Don Chano with what appears to be a division (don't know the intention here).

The weather is hot and humid and the Sea of Cortez and Bay of Conception is fabulous for dips, skinny and otherwise.

Regarding Speed Bumps/Topes: yes, I personally hate them, BUT Tony's right-- sleeping policemen are inexpensive and effective and should be placed in front of Huerta Don Chano's as its wide-open and smooth-sailing there.

Regarding the weather in Mulege right now: tell me how to post a picture and I'll do so on another thread so not to hijack this 'un, ok?

squid - 7-28-2009 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Drove the north river road out to El Patron last week... there was some construction for a divided road east of town and west of El Patron, but very limited... maybe 1000 feet long... some signs that there will be a sidewalk... but nothing much more than the way it was 2 years ago when we were last there.

[Edited on 7-27-2009 by David K]

Q.: David, did U have your reading glasses on while driving? Or is the memorystick overloadad? :lol:

nancywinpdx - 7-28-2009 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mulegena
The weather is hot and humid and the Sea of Cortez and Bay of Conception is fabulous for dips, skinny and otherwise.

hope the area's uninhabited cuz i'd hafta go Fat dippin' !

squid - 7-28-2009 at 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by toneart

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Originally posted by Martyman
Yea, Speed bumps suck!

I totally agree: There got dogs killed on the North Side of the river. (Same on the South side of the river. So in Loreto and Ensenada) IT IS A SHAME! THESE DOGS HAVE NO RESPECT!
And the kids playing there. Yep, I have seen kids there ----- playing next to the river. Now this question is hitting me: What is more dangerous to these kids: A car (not all are speeding) or falling into the river??? My answer is: As the parents do not take care of their kids, they might be kidnapped by a stranger.
Yes, but a real problem is still all the families walking along that road. Oh man, this is the only road in all over Baja where families are walking. And only here can it happen that a car (which one? The speeding one or the slow one) might loose control and hit the entire family. That happens of course every time! We only can hope that that car is crashing into the river without hitting a family before.
BUT: that road is there for centuries. The river just one foot away in some places and no drunk ever crashed into the river. Amazing! (well there is a Gringo Lady (Lady?) she drove her Alfa Romeo into the river while 'drunk like a skunk'.
I for sure have a completely different problem with that road. When speed bumps are installed any passenger plane falling out of the sky might hit a car -- as the car goes slow. Nobody can deny that the risk is much higher to be hit by an airplane falling out of the sky when driving slow.
When driving fast, the risk is much lower.
It is like the bullet trying to hit a moving target.
And what about the risk of that Mexican car > the one with the bad shocks and flat tires which is common in Mexico < jumping across a speed bump and loosing control and then hitting a family, or two families, or maybe three?
No my friend S :fire:

peed bumps are a high risk for everybody.

Bob H - 7-28-2009 at 12:29 PM

Hey all... thanks for the update. Guess there is progress even if it is slow going. The river looks so nice and much cleaner than I can ever remember!

Bob H

[Edited on 7-28-2009 by Bob H]

toneart - 7-28-2009 at 09:09 PM

Well, it seems like I am overruled regarding the speed bump idea. I can see Squid's point that they could actually cause a car to veer into a family, or someone.

So...it's just a matter of time.

I sure hope I don't see or hear it).

Cypress refutes my 60-70 MPH estimate. I live on the south side of the river and have witnessed the speeding. Whereas we can't see the speedometer, I still hold to my estimate regarding some speeders. If Cypress doubts it. Fine! I don't care.

I know. It sounds unbelievable, but whenever I see them traveling at an excessive rate of speed, I think to myself, no way! I hold my breath and watch in horror and hope for the best. It is very irresponsible and reckless. This is the stretch directly across from The Orchard, approaching the Y or just leaving it.

David K - 7-28-2009 at 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by squid

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Q.: David, did U have your reading glasses on while driving? Or is the memorystick overloadad? :lol:

Okay, then how long is that little stretch of road work? I would be surprised if it was more than 1000'. Unless there is a section that is out of sight from the road between Hwy. 1 and El Patron. I am talking about the street one drives on to El Patron.... through town and along the east end of the river.

[Edited on 7-29-2009 by David K]

mulegemichael - 7-28-2009 at 10:35 PM

Yes David, same stretch...but just last year, post chubasco, that was a really bad stretch of road...so what APPEARS to be just a 1000' stretch is really more like a 3000' stretch because they've done so much work to the damaged portion of the road....at one point, this past winter, they had a backhoe scraping away at a big rock where the road comes down to the river for weeks at a time...just a backhoe...scraping away at this big ass rock...for weeks.....so yeah, they've really improved the road over there but unless you watched the process, you can't see it.

squid - 7-30-2009 at 08:50 PM

Q.: Why is it that guys living up-north are taking care of Mulege business. Like: Putting topes on a road or not. etc.
Why is it that so many guys - not even living in Baja /// just coming here for a week or two (or three/// - are talking so much Baja???
Can somebody please explain that phenomenon to me? :fire:

mulegemichael - 7-31-2009 at 07:35 AM

Well Squid, Mulege is home to a lot of us for 1/2 a year so we like to keep our hands in what's going on down there...that's what this forum is about; Baja...whether one is there for a couple weeks, a few months, or full time.

David K - 7-31-2009 at 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by squid
Q.: Why is it that guys living up-north are taking care of Mulege business. Like: Putting topes on a road or not. etc.
Why is it that so many guys - not even living in Baja /// just coming here for a week or two (or three/// - are talking so much Baja???
Can somebody please explain that phenomenon to me? :fire:

Maybe because not all the people who live there in Baja go out and do weekly reports for us on Nomad, or post photos, or drive a few dirt miles to take mission ruin photos... You can't have 'too much Baja' in my opinion! Cheers!

Bob H - 7-31-2009 at 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by squid
Q.: Why is it that so many guys - not even living in Baja /// just coming here for a week or two (or three/// - are talking so much Baja???
Can somebody please explain that phenomenon to me? :fire:

Most of us are Baja freaks.... that's the main reason.
Bob H

[Edited on 7-31-2009 by Bob H]

Phil S - 7-31-2009 at 12:34 PM

David K. El Patron is the restaraunt on the northf side. Right/??? (too many senior moments these days) If so. Did you eat there? For so many years in our early drives down, we would make that one of our 'stops' on the way to Nopolo. some times great food. Other times just so so. Hows the quality these days? Still will stop by in November on the way down.

Cypress - 7-31-2009 at 01:27 PM

squid, Hang in there. Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. Send pictures. That's a great little strip of ground on both sides of the Rio. The south side is more of a gringo community than the north side. But, it's all good.

squid - 7-31-2009 at 06:47 PM

well, maybe I was a liitle misunderstood> What I wanted to say is.... Are you guys taking care of your local dirt roads up-north in your home town or vicinity as much as you try to be present in the www > this forum?
Baja freaks or not. Most of you guys are NOT living here for 1/2 of a year. Not even Mulegemichel. You guys are coming here for 2;3; or 4 weeks and all sommer long..... nobody here. From April or May till Sept./Oct. Nobody. That is already half a year. That is not living in Mulege. You guys are guests, no more. No Mulege-Guys, but you are discussing local issues like you are Mulege Citizens. That's what I wanted to express.
I do understand this forum! it is about Baja in general and of course Mulege too. But recommandations from up-north whether or not there should be a speed bump in Mulege is ..... ???

Bob H - 7-31-2009 at 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Phil S
David K. El Patron is the restaraunt on the northf side. Right/??? (too many senior moments these days) If so. Did you eat there? For so many years in our early drives down, we would make that one of our 'stops' on the way to Nopolo. some times great food. Other times just so so. Hows the quality these days? Still will stop by in November on the way down.

Hi Phil S.... My wife and I have eaten at El Patron (North side of river at the end) twice - both times were very good. There is another family owned place on the way to El Patron - a very nice two story palapa and when we stopped there for a margarita - there were two daughters that were preparing them for us. Pineapple margaritas! Oh, and a nice dog! Bob H

PS: I was hoping someone would post some photos of how the malacon progress looks like - thanks in advance... Bob H

[Edited on 8-1-2009 by Bob H]

Barry A. - 7-31-2009 at 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by squid
well, maybe I was a liitle misunderstood> What I wanted to say is.... Are you guys taking care of your local dirt roads up-north in your home town or vicinity as much as you try to be present in the www > this forum?
Baja freaks or not. Most of you guys are NOT living here for 1/2 of a year. Not even Mulegemichel. You guys are coming here for 2;3; or 4 weeks and all sommer long..... nobody here. From April or May till Sept./Oct. Nobody. That is already half a year. That is not living in Mulege. You guys are guests, no more. No Mulege-Guys, but you are discussing local issues like you are Mulege Citizens. That's what I wanted to express.

I do understand this forum! it is about Baja in general and of course Mulege too. But recommandations from up-north whether or not there should be a speed bump in Mulege is ..... ???

Squid--------Anyplace that someone invests their money in is of concern to them, and they are very interested and involved in what is happening there, and do have opinions--------this is only natural.

It is hard for me to believe that this is a threat to the "locals"-----it is just an opinion, and should be considered as that, and only that, it seems to me.

I guess I don't understand your concern, or comments. :?:

Barry

toneart - 7-31-2009 at 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by squid
well, maybe I was a liitle misunderstood> What I wanted to say is.... Are you guys taking care of your local dirt roads up-north in your home town or vicinity as much as you try to be present in the www > this forum?
Baja freaks or not. Most of you guys are NOT living here for 1/2 of a year. Not even Mulegemichel. You guys are coming here for 2;3; or 4 weeks and all sommer long..... nobody here. From April or May till Sept./Oct. Nobody. That is already half a year. That is not living in Mulege. You guys are guests, no more. No Mulege-Guys, but you are discussing local issues like you are Mulege Citizens. That's what I wanted to express.
I do understand this forum! it is about Baja in general and of course Mulege too. But recommandations from up-north whether or not there should be a speed bump in Mulege is ..... ???

Squid,

As Barry says, "I guess I don't understand your concerns" either.

FYI, I am a 5 month resident in Mulege with a major investment. I pay taxes. I have a Fideocomiso. My home is beautiful and my neighbors are wonderful. I have been active in community affairs, both in my immediate community and also with the locals. I speak Spanish and care about the Mexican people. I have lived full time in mainland Mexico during the 1980s. I know the culture

I am the one who brought up the speed bump issue. I am very concerned for the reasons I have already expressed. I have also exchanged dialog with you, acknowledging the merit of your position that speed bumps could possibly cause an accident...a vehicle bouncing off of one and into a family or whatever. I am not a great lover of speed bumps but I see them as a necessary deterrent to endangering any community and also to prevent kicking up so much dust. I am not stuck on speed bumps but I am concerned and looking for solutions...the same as I would here in Northern California where I am a member of our neighborhood homeowners' association.

I am involved. I am not a vigilante or a crank or a busybody. Those who know me know that I am pretty laid back. I am retired from teaching and am loving my life. I am a lifetime, multidisciplinary artist which feeds my soul and keeps me engaged in life.

Sometimes I am wrong and often I am right. I consider my role here on the BajaNomad (and anywhere) to be helpful. I also try to entertain with humor. Sometimes that goes over well and sometimes it falls flat. (In Spanish the expression is: me cayo gordo...it falls on me fat. Cool, huh?) When someone can show me where I am wrong, with intelligent dialog and examples, I will acquiesce. I sleep well at night. You will always know where I stand. You can depend on me. That is my gift of trust to which my friends will attest.

So, what is your point? Are you really trying to be constructive? My opinion is, no you aren't. So I am listening. Prove your love and commitment to the Mulege community. Do you live there full time? If so, how does that make you better than part-timers?

Some people conceal their identities and they feel that gives them license to be sh*t disturbers. I really don't detect much benevolence in your posts. If you are man enough to defend your stance, so be it. That is your choice. I won't belabor your intent. Some people are just that way.

You may have noticed that there is a troll who is obsessed by me. He is a coward who keeps reappearing under different pseudonyms. I think I know who he is. He has compiled every bit of information about me which I have posted here on the Bajanomad through the years. Then he has used this information as departure points to twist and spew hatred. He has threatened my life because of my political views. He has accused me of being a whiner because of my casita being flooded. Actually my posts have been positive reports on how the community has pulled together under pretty stressful and expensive circumstances, and those posts were solicited by other Nomads. He has tried to get to me by calling me a "queer". He couldn't be any further from the truth. He doesn't like my politics. I will debate anyone who has a brain about politics. They don't have to agree with me. Ask Dennis or Barry. Only the chicken hearted hides behind his Avatar and hurls insults and calls names. I don't feed that troll. I report him like Doug has requested. He is not a presence that any Nomad needs or enjoys. He is a very insignificant nutcase but he is a nuisance.

I am not inferring that you are that troll or any troll at all but you do have an unpleasant edge to your posts.

I probably know you. Maybe I am not understanding your intent. In my opinion you are trying to call out and insult all gringos who have an interest in Mulege. Why?

I know, I know. I am too preachy to a fault. But I am not a doormat. People p*ss me off and they will hear about it.

Who I am is no mystery. I am Tony and I live in The Orchard. Come on. Man up and reveal yourself.

Crusoe - 7-31-2009 at 09:03 PM

Right ON Tony.....Very well stated. Tell it like it is!! ++C++ :yes:

Bob H - 7-31-2009 at 09:28 PM

Toneart.... I love the way you express yourself. Nothing hidden, pure and straight forward, as always! All of your posts are very well thought out and addressed properly. Just love it.
Bob H

mulegemichael - 8-1-2009 at 07:48 AM

And Squid, we DO live in Mulege half the year; from end of sept to may...do the math..and i WILL give my opinion on what goes on in our town because it affects me as i live on the river road...thank you very much.

mulegemichael - 8-1-2009 at 07:54 AM

Oh, and Bob H, El Patron, at the end of the north river road is still a little shaky, foodwise...sometimes it's good, sometimes it's terrible..we all got sick from the food there this past may..the "other" restaurant, right next door, is Pancho Villas, and the food and service there has NEVER disappointed us..it's owned and operated by a family and they work hard to please...but i probably shouldn't be giving my opinion here cause i don't live in Mulege year round.

Russ - 8-1-2009 at 09:40 AM

Squid, I usually don't respond to posts that insinuate gringos have no business speaking their mind about their adopted homes/communities. You as a business man in the area should and believe have requested advice from us.
"Can somebody please explain that phenomenon to me? :fire:

"
I'm sorry that you are angry with us. We have chosen to spend a part of our lives here because we love the people, culture and a way of life Mexico has offered us and especially Mulége and the surrounding areas. As a first or second home, of course we have an interest in what is going on and how we may participate. I think this site is a good example of the love of Baja we all share. If this upsets you then I'm not sure what you can do. Since you speak and write English well at some point you've learned a lot about us. We are not here to change your culture. In fact some of us, including me, have or will move to more Mexican country setting. Progress is inevitable and in most instances desired. Mulége is no longer a pueblo. I see it becoming a destination for world travelers. It is kinda like a young Loreto in a way. Anyway, I hope you'll someday be able to appreciate what we offer in friendship and concern for "our" community. Of course everything above is just my thoughts in trying to answer your question.

Cypress - 8-1-2009 at 09:54 AM

mulegemichael, Russ, toneart, squid, You all share an interest in a great place. A good idea is a good idea, regardless of whether it comes from a full time resident, a part time resident or a passing tourist. :biggrin:

And a bad idea is just that. It'll be ignored.

David K - 8-1-2009 at 11:24 AM

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YES... for the second time in a row the food was great and the price was 'cheap' and the location was "a million bucks"!

Photos of the place in my trip report 'Baja 709' (July, 2009)!

Bob H - 8-1-2009 at 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
Oh, and Bob H, El Patron, at the end of the north river road is still a little shaky, foodwise...sometimes it's good, sometimes it's terrible..we all got sick from the food there this past may..the "other" restaurant, right next door, is Pancho Villas, and the food and service there has NEVER disappointed us..it's owned and operated by a family and they work hard to please...but i probably shouldn't be giving my opinion here cause i don't live in Mulege year round.

Michael.... Pancho Villas... that's the other place I was referring to. Excellent service and drinks/food, for sure. Loved it. This place is very special and the family that runs it really seeks to please! I would recommend this establishment to anyone who wants a great dining experience, Baja style! And, here is a shot of this place.
Bob H

toneart - 8-1-2009 at 11:56 AM

I second that! Nice people. Great food. Once while I was there a fisherman pulled up right in front and brought in a Jurel (Yellowtail) he has just caught. We essentially bought it through the restaurant as they cooked it up for us...fresh...to order. MMMmmmmm!

Bob, thank you for your earlier compliment.

North River Road businesses

Mulegena - 8-1-2009 at 12:04 PM

I love the folks at both restaurants, El Patron and Pancho Villa-- they're all wonderful people!

Don Chano is a great place to homebase while in Mulege, camp or house rental. Walk to town, very, very pretty fruit trees, quiet, private and safe family-owned and operated place, my favorite arroyo get-away-to-think-place is right there.

Gringo's is nearby (at the speedbump) for charter-boat rental.

Cypress - 8-1-2009 at 12:12 PM

Mulegena, Don Chano's is a great location and Manuel and his family will make you feel right at home. The arroyo behind Don Chano's is a mystical place. :biggrin:

Mexrick - 8-2-2009 at 04:34 PM

David: According to Google Earth, the distance is just over 8,000 ft. The main road is for cars but the section along the river from under the bridge to where it joins the main road (about 1000 feet from where the pavement ends) is for foot traffic only... no motor vehicles of any kind as I've been told.

squid - 8-7-2009 at 02:49 PM

Just for to answer Tony's Q. and anybodies better understanding
I am Mexican, my husband is American.
I never saw any American in a official City Meeting. Not even my husband.(BS # 1)
I never saw/met any Mexican discussing a topes in the U.S. (Fact #1)
You are stating you care about Mulege? Then why don't you guys meet w/ the locals to discuss issues (I do not mean meeting with locals for drinking @ Bart's) or join in w/ the delegado and make REAL suggestions and the suggestion how to pay for?
No more discussion on this thread for me. Period