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Camp ground closed at Scorpion Bay

bajachris - 8-7-2009 at 03:44 PM

The camp ground at Scorpion Bay has been closed by Perfepa and/or Mexican version of the EPA. Unknown when it will open. I still see people camping in the federal zone outside the fenced area of the camp ground. Not sure what's up. Last week they fenced the camp ground up to the federal zone. We'll see what happens "as the point turns." Can't we all get along?

The south road continues to be built, and should be done by November, or December. They are working diligently on the road.

Someone told us part of the north road to San Ignacio is paved. No work seen continuing.

woody with a view - 8-7-2009 at 03:56 PM

its gonna become the private playground for the guy who dispenses surf forecasts for a living. can you say cabo, norte? what a joke that place has become in the heat of summer. been there, done it.... too bad for Reuben and the gang! :no:

shari - 8-7-2009 at 05:32 PM

why did Profepa close it?

805gregg - 8-7-2009 at 07:43 PM

It's Mexico, money talks.

The Sculpin - 8-7-2009 at 08:24 PM

Referring to Sean, Woody? I remember that red twin engine beechcraft - until it almost hit OJ while playing golf!! Too bad Jaime shot himself in the foot years ago. He had a sweet thing going. Still, no worries if you know the Wind'n crew...unless they've been run out of town. Anyone for pizza? My, my, as the point turns....Used to surf it alone, but maybe I'd be willng to pay to do it again...hopefully the locals will benefit.

shari - 8-7-2009 at 08:48 PM

uhh oh...looks like another mystery thread! or novela possibility...cant wait to hear the story in plain english and not scorpion surf code...reminds of that pilot speak!

[Edited on 8-8-2009 by shari]

805gregg - 8-8-2009 at 06:17 AM

My friend has a place a 6th point, I can still camp.

woody with a view - 8-9-2009 at 06:56 AM

yeah, everyone knows someone with a place there! heck, i know 2-and one in the cematary (sp?). RIP Nick..... :saint:

Rotten To The Core

CaboRon - 8-9-2009 at 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 805gregg
It's Mexico, money talks.

skibum - 8-9-2009 at 08:01 AM

Does anyone think before they type? The campground is NOT closed. I just emailed a friend down there. He insists that the campground is open. The Cantina was closed and remains closed.

Now this is a rumor. I've been told that Profepa has repeatedly been summoned (read into that what you want) to harass the Cantina/Campground people. This has been done by a real estate guy, who wants to buy the land.

bajachris - 8-9-2009 at 08:28 AM

Hey, The camp ground outside of the Federal zone and the cantina is closed. Only the federal zone remains open for camping. I'm here, just talked with the managers yesterday. It's not perfpa, they moderate the fed zone. It's the other agency like the EPA. Can't remember the name. The place is a ghost town within the fenced area. Yes, the new owner fenced the entire camp ground within the fed zone just one week ago. Yes poor Ruben. Makes you wonder how much a mordida and some stuborn Americans can be. It could happen to anyone with a lot that someone else wants down here. It sucks. How uncool. Money talks. It's funny that the day this happened, Juan y Juan (John) disappeared from his lot. What a coincidence?

Thanks for noticing...

Juan del Rio - 8-9-2009 at 08:53 AM

BajaChris, I have a family wedding today here in the States and had to catch the Friday plane home in order to see my neice get married today. The tickets were booked last April. If you would like me to show you, please come by the next time I'm there, so I can meet you and I'll show you my ticket verification receipt. (update: the wedding was beautiful!)

If you have any proof/evidence that I left because of the legal issues that the Cantina is facing, please post it. If not, I would ask that you please do not post false information about me or Juan y Juan (or for that matter, any untrue/rumored information). Thank you in advance for your consideration.

FYI, your thread headline and your repeated information about the campground being closed is false. The campground has never been closed. It is open. The Cantina and some of the supporting buildings are closed.
Thanks.

Update:

Ruben, FYI, please check your facts. I think you are confused. I never have been the General Administrator of Surfeador Baja.

BajaChris, like I said earlier, please come by so I can meet you and give you the facts. Thanks again.

[Edited on 8-16-2009 by Juan del Rio]

THE SCORPION BAY CAMPGROUNDS ARE OPEN

Rubenand - 8-9-2009 at 10:37 AM

I operate the campgrounds and can tell you this. The campgrounds are open. It's the cantina and the palapas that were closed by PROFEPA August 6th. We hope to have the cantina open again soon.

BajaChris, you hit the nail on the head! None of the fingerprints of the interests motivating PROFEPA will be found and PROFEPA will make it seem like they are just doing their job.

Sounds like John, of Juan y Juan doesn't want to appear to have anything to do with it. Ask John if he isn't the managing partner of Surfeador Baja and who his other partners are. Ask John if his attorneys gave PROFEPA gas money.

You'll know without doubt whose interests are supporting the attacks if and when you see who builds houses on the campgrounds.

Juan del Rio, these are questions not facts. If you are not one of Juan y Juan then pray tell who are you? The JuanyJuan website URL is: www.juandelrio.com
Sign your posts.

[Edited on 8-18-2009 by Rubenand]

Crusoe - 8-9-2009 at 10:52 AM

Rubenand......Does this mean the leesee can without retribution tear down the fences? What a great spot!!! Wev'e camped their before, and feel it would be a big loss if that option was not available. Lets hope they can get it worked out. ++C++

woody with a view - 8-9-2009 at 01:16 PM

so then is there a fee to camp in the dirt with no use of the "facilities"?

arrowhead - 8-9-2009 at 05:50 PM

It seems the only exercise some Baja Nomads get is jumping at conclusions.

Rubenand - 8-9-2009 at 08:24 PM

I wish removing the fence was that easy. The title holder may have a right to fence his property. The Lessee has the right to use the property.

Yes, camp fees are still applicable. We'll be setting up an outdoor shower, picking up trash and paying the lease and the Federal Zone concession fees.

[Edited on 8-15-2009 by Rubenand]

Ryan - 8-10-2009 at 10:33 AM

:barf:

skibum - 8-11-2009 at 11:57 AM

I'm going to miss the Cantina. I hope they get it back open. If San Juanico is going to be a crowded place, then it sure is nice to sit under that palapa, eat good food, put back a few cold ones and watch the waves.

woody with a view - 8-11-2009 at 12:59 PM

when they line the point(s) with houses (think gringo hill) and put up wall to keep the little people out, then you'll really miss it. ask around for Jaime, i hear he has all the lowdown. just don't give him any $... :!:

surfer jim - 8-11-2009 at 05:56 PM

Just for the record....I am probably the only one on this board with the name "surfer" in it and I have NO idea what most of the posters are talking about......

805gregg - 8-11-2009 at 06:44 PM

Maybe you should change your name?

[Edited on 8-13-2009 by 805gregg]

As Confusing and convoluted as Mexico itself.

CaboRon - 8-11-2009 at 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

The region suffers from this issue which is apparently a powerplay though likely based in law and perhaps this is a step toward resolution or toward more nonsense.

Perhaps no one is to blame as these things often come to pass in Mexico. Power corrupts absolutely.

woody with a view - 8-11-2009 at 08:06 PM

gnukid has a grasp of the facts, for sure. it seems as if he/she knows enough to know when to not say anymore? i couldn't really care less, i have no interest in the legal outcome of this battle. as i've said, i have multiple friends who own their own slice of the dream as they see it, in town away from the drama.

it is just a shame how this has all come down. Reuben has a lease! WTF???? get in line for the day the lease expires. until then, act like an asset to the community, your chance will come.

it costs what, $15/day PER PERSON to camp in the dirt,, "out there" surrounded by 100's of others (maybe less NOW with the economy what it is!).... get it while you can, lemmings.....

from the reputation Jaime has earned in "our" ejido NOB, steer clear of this cat....

Mucha Suerte, Reuben!!! don't let the Chilito's call the shots.

surfer jim - 8-11-2009 at 08:31 PM

805gregg....."surfer james" just might work.... :biggrin:

Thanks for the much better explaination of what this is all about....(never been there myself and maybe not much reason to even go from what I can picture).....

mtgoat666 - 8-11-2009 at 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woody in ob
it costs what, $15/day PER PERSON to camp in the dirt,, "out there" surrounded by 100's of others (maybe less NOW with the economy what it is!).... get it while you can, lemmings.....

i surfed there once in 1996, seemed like a sleepy open country then. maybe had one little palapa selling drinks and bad food to a handful of surfers, if i remember correctly, and lots of places to camp at edge of cliff.
from what i hear it is no longer a sleepy little place.
would i recognize the place today??

rts551 - 8-11-2009 at 09:45 PM

Gnu

Have you ever been there?... Are you aware of the history?

I have. The worst case of gringolandia I Have ever seen. Most houses built by outsiders.. not locals. Food brought in.. not bought locally... fun made about the walls. but go look makes Sadams compounds look easy

This was a beautiful area 30 years ago... that has been taken over by SoCal type investors ... And now they are paying the price for not being a part of the community.

Gnu... go visit... maybe its your kinda place

Russ - 8-12-2009 at 05:08 AM

Wow! Is that you riding the white horse? It ain't always easy. Nice try tho & don't give up being the "good guy".

Marla Daily - 8-12-2009 at 06:43 AM

The ejido had designated a long series of lots along the bluffs to the north, and they were being sold by Jaime Adkins on behalf of the ejidatarios. I believe they had certificados parcelarios. Did titles come through on any of these parcels? It was my understanding some already had fideicomisos, which of, course, requires title. Are these the lots involved in suits?

pappy - 8-12-2009 at 08:53 AM

no matter what, the place is toast. too many people with $ in a close environment with limited resources(specifically surf) will only lead to politics and fighting amongst themselves, which will ruin the vibe of the place. (it has for me long ago...)

taxcutter - 8-12-2009 at 10:09 PM

May I, with deep respect, submit some brief North Road thoughts.

Gnukid; thank you. I am inspired with your words. Please keep mind channeling, you are a free ride soul surfer. We all need your words of truth.

rts551; thank you my lord, I am neither judge nor jury.

oladuce; your avatar is the old beacon, not the new one, me thinks!

Woody in Ob; I know, that you know, that I know, that you know. And your wife is super cool. Until we meet again at...

Shari, si, mon, cabron, esta muy dramatica. It is better than a novela. It's real life! And, ah yes, the surf lingo code... of silence.

Juan del Rio, you invited me into your compound the first year and we had drinks in your compound just last year. Thank you. But, your words of wisdom are needed. Por favor.

Sculpin, but of course, as the palapa turns. You have seen it from what it was, to what it is today. And of course, let us all think about what is best for the true locals. I feel this will not help.

Rubenand, please express my love and friendship to your employees. Regardless what one may say, you provide an economic multiplier to San J. And I am afraid, overall, negative and selfish attitudes will hurt the people of this beautiful and loving town.

At some time in the future, I will provide some deeper North Road thoughts.

But until then, for your consideration, and perhaps the future home of the San J Marina.

http://www.bajainvestments.net/SCORPION_BAY__BEACHFRONT_PARC...

Humbly submitted,
A newbie Baja Nomad (I should post more)
Marco
Da taxcutter

surfer jim - 8-13-2009 at 07:28 AM

Future home of BAJA NOMADS SURF CAMP.......!

Think about this....in the future when others ask for surf info/directions....we just send them to "the camp".....yes , it will be crowded there but most won't know the difference.....and the rest of us can go to the secret spots and surf alone......... :rolleyes:

[Edited on 8-13-2009 by surfer jim]

woody with a view - 8-13-2009 at 11:47 AM

i was thinking the same thing....

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=40803

oops... the guy buggerd out....

[Edited on 8-13-2009 by woody in ob]

Windflow - 8-14-2009 at 07:53 PM

Wow, this cracks me up with all these rumors and Ruben the campground guy playing the "good guy" spin.

Did any of you see Ruben's financial proposals that were floating around about 5 years which started this fiasco? I did personally and saw his complete map. Ruben was seeking investors to develop 100 lots on the point all the way up to 6th point, with a 30 room hotel in place of the campground. It was the most grotesque violation of a great natural place that i've ever seen. Also never mind the fact that many people already had deposits on the lots past 3rd and would have been burned if Ruben was successful. Did you think he cared?

Oh, and does everyone think Ruben would have kept the campground open once his hotel was there? Right... So the ejido got a better offer and much better for the point that a hotel will not be built there. And now Ruben is crying foul? Sorry, that's just too funny.

The point was ruined long ago anyway. Fortunately Baja has so many great places these developer types haven't set their sites on yet and i'll keep going to those places and avoid these these greedy gringos trying to grab everything up for themselves.

Late.

CaboRon - 8-15-2009 at 06:02 AM

Taxcutter,

What is a "North Road" thought.

David K - 8-15-2009 at 06:25 AM

My guess he is 'thinking' of driving the road north to San Ignacio...?

woody with a view - 8-15-2009 at 05:25 PM

Quote:

The point was ruined long ago anyway. Fortunately Baja has so many great places these developer types haven't set their sites on yet and i'll keep going to those places and avoid these these greedy gringos trying to grab everything up for themselves.

support WiLDCOAST....

here's a copy of an email exchange i had with them not too long ago;

"Hello,

I am the coordinator for our wildlands program at Wildcoast. We have been working for several years along the Pacific Coast of the Valle de los Cirios to protect key coastal properties from the rapacious unplanned development that threatens this unique shoreline. We are working with the local ejido and landowners to negotiate purchase
agreements and conservation easements on the properties that we feel are most threatened and/or biologically significant. There are several unique wetland areas that we have recently protected through these partnerships. We have focused primarily on the points and bays that provide habitat for a diversity of marine and terrestrial plant and animal species as they are the most vulnerable to development. One
fundamental aspect of this initiative is to maintain open public
access so these areas will continue to be enjoyed by all. If you have any more questions feel free to let me know.
Thanks for your interest."

and;

"Hello,

Yes funds can be donated to a specific program and can be directed to a specific initiative. In this case Wildlands program - Valle de los Cirios Pacific Coast.

As of late, we have secured two additional parcels bringing our total acquisitions to 15.2 coastal miles. We have negotiated conservation agreements with one family that owns the Punta Rocosa-El Marron area resulting in the protection of approximately 7,000 acres there. We have secured parcels at Punta Lobos, Bahia Blanca, Punta Vibora, Faro San Jose, Puerto Canoas, several between Canoas and Faro San Jose and several inland watershed sites. Availability has played into our approach and we are in continuous negotiations with additional parcels around Bahia Blanca and Punta Cuchillo. As our project progresses we feel confident that we will be
able to protect Cardon, Punta Cono and Punta Maria. We work with landowners or tenants that have a vested interest in their land (primarily fishing) and assist them in developing sustainable living and fishing practices. Once the skepticism among holdouts diminishes (as they see we are serious and without a hidden agenda) and there is the realization that Cancun will not come and make them millions there will
be more affordable opportunities.

So far we have protected the southernmost and northern most reaches ofthe ejido as well as 13 sites between, ranging from 2,000 acres to 60 acres. In this next phase we are targeting available adjacent parcels to those we already have, the vulnerable points and bays, and biologically significant inland spots. We have protected two of the three permanent
wetlands on the 100 mile stretch. We may, in the future, place some effort on the Alejandros area but as of now it is kind of a mess around there.

If you'd like to come into the Wildcoast office I'd be happy to show you a map of protected sites and share some imagery/stories.

Thanks for your interest,

Zach"

My check is going in the mail next week. These guys are on the right path!!!!

surfer jim - 8-15-2009 at 09:56 PM

Wolf in sheeps clothing.......

taxcutter - 8-16-2009 at 01:21 AM

I am only a humble surfer, and of course, allow me to present some more North Road Thoughts.....

This is a story that I was told many moons ago...........

Once, there was three surfers.

They were very good surfers and they were very respected, not only at their home surf break but around the surfer world.

Their local surf break was having some issues. Pollution to be exact.

Of course, none of the political establishment (the man) considered them worthy. Surfers, Ha! No money, no votes, no power. And the three surfers voices was and were ignored and pushed aside by the man.

But these three surf cats decided to stand up, stand up against the man. And with no money, no political power, they search for the one dude (another surfer) that respected mother nature and hated the man (politicos, establshment, etc, et al). And more importantly, this dude had plenty of cash.

Now at this point of the story, one must remember that the third rail of surfing is to shut up, do not talk about your surf break to outsiders, and no media attention. Nix nay, nada. Silence. And especially, no photos, or maps. If you touch this surfer third rail, you are black balled.

However, this dude, knew of the reputation of these surfers. The three soul surfers motivation was to preserve and protect their home break. From Pollution no less. And by now, against the man.

So.... these three surfer drove down in their Volkswagon from LA (and not Lower Alabama) to Laguna Nigel, California. The town and center of this dude's business. The three surfer pitched their story and asked for some cash to help them. Help the surf break, help them fight the battle, against the pollution issue and have a seat at the table with the man and fight the man.

Fantastic as it might seem, the dude flowed them ten grand, 10,000 American dollars. Back in the day, 10K was some serious dough, cash, greenbacks, and of course, my favorite, moola. And to flow that type of cash to three surfers, regardless of their intention, regardless of their reputation, was a long shot, if not a waste. But this dude had and still has the spirit and soul of a surfer.

So....these three surfers had a dream and a mission. And now they had 10K to achieve their goal and dream. And they did....their dream is now a internationally recognized organization. And as a surfer, you may be a member of this group.

Thank you Gordon Clark, the Dude. Thank you for the 10K. Thank you for your faith. Thank you for your wisdom. Thank you for giving three surfers the cash to make a dream possible. Thank you, thank you, I am blessed, and we are all blessed as surfers, and as members of this blue planet.

Without sucking up anymore, Gordon, can I visit you on the Big Island? or OR? Maybe even Capo Beach? You have truly seen it all. From the "day" to now. I would like to meet you. Please.

Nomads, especially the Baja Surf Nomads, can you tell me the surf break of the three surfers? It's no secret, nor hidden spot. McConaughey drives by daily and Allen still rules the lineup.

Furthermore, can you tell me the name of this internationally known organization?

And more importantly, can you tell me the names of the three soul surfers with a dream? The simple dream of we (surfers) can be a positive force of love and respect. That we (surfers) can make a difference and shall achieve more. This is not a deep Riddle, who are these three respected surfers?

With respect as deep as the Pacific Ocean,

Marco
da taxcutter

[Edited on 8-16-2009 by taxcutter]

surfer jim - 8-16-2009 at 08:13 AM

....surf break is (or should I say was ) called KILLER DANA...now located UNDER Dana Point Harbor....where the rich guy parks his yacht......

BajaNomad - 8-16-2009 at 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by taxcutter
...can you tell me the surf break of the three surfers? ...the name of this internationally known organization? ...the names of the three soul surfers with a dream?

Glenn Hening, Tom Pratte and Lance Carson - of Malibu - founded Surfrider with $10k seed money from Gordon Clark of Clark Foam.

Who is the operating partner of Surfeador Baja if it's not John Rellos?

Rubenand - 8-16-2009 at 08:53 AM

Dear Juan del Rio,
I did suggest that BajaChris ask Juan Rellos of Juan y Juan if he isn't the operating partner of Surfeador Baja, who his partners are and if his attorneys gave PROFEPA gas money. Juan del Rio and John Rellos just seemed too close to be a coincidence so if you are not John Rellos I apologize.
Rubenand

Quote:

Originally posted by Juan del Rio
BajaChris, I have a family wedding today here in the States and had to catch the Friday plane home in order to see my neice get married today. The tickets were booked last April. If you would like me to show you, please come by the next time I'm there, so I can meet you and I'll show you my ticket verification receipt. (update: the wedding was beautiful!)

If you have any proof/evidence that I left because of the legal issues that the Cantina is facing, please post it. If not, I would ask that you please do not post false information about me or Juan y Juan (or for that matter, any untrue/rumored information). Thank you in advance for your consideration.

FYI, your thread headline and your repeated information about the campground being closed is false. The campground has never been closed. It is open. The Cantina and some of the supporting buildings are closed.
Thanks.

Update:

Ruben, FYI, please check your facts. I think you are confused. I never have been the General Administrator of Surfeador Baja.

BajaChris, like I said earlier, please come by so I can meet you and give you the facts. Thanks again.

[Edited on 8-16-2009 by Juan del Rio]

Rubenand - 8-16-2009 at 09:05 AM

Juan del Rio,
If you are not John Rellos (pronounced "rios") of Juan y Juan - the coincidence in pronunciation is hard to overlook and the juanyjuan website URL is www.juandelrio.com - who are you. End confusion, sign your posts.

I only suggested BajaChris ask John Rellos of Juan y Juan if he isn't the operating partner of Surfeadora Baja, who his partners are and if his attorneys gave PROFEPA gas money. These aren't facts their questions for you to answer John. Do you represent the buyers of parcel 95 Ejido Cadeje?

Quote:

Originally posted by Juan del Rio
BajaChris, I have a family wedding today here in the States and had to catch the Friday plane home in order to see my neice get married today. The tickets were booked last April. If you would like me to show you, please come by the next time I'm there, so I can meet you and I'll show you my ticket verification receipt. (update: the wedding was beautiful!)

If you have any proof/evidence that I left because of the legal issues that the Cantina is facing, please post it. If not, I would ask that you please do not post false information about me or Juan y Juan (or for that matter, any untrue/rumored information). Thank you in advance for your consideration.

FYI, your thread headline and your repeated information about the campground being closed is false. The campground has never been closed. It is open. The Cantina and some of the supporting buildings are closed.
Thanks.

Update:

Ruben, FYI, please check your facts. I think you are confused. I never have been the managing partner of Surfeadora Baja.

BajaChris, like I said earlier, please come by so I can meet you and give you the facts. Thanks again.

[Edited on 8-16-2009 by Juan del Rio]

[Edited on 8-23-2009 by Rubenand]

Juan del Rio - 8-16-2009 at 09:05 AM

Ruben, there are a lot of coincidence's going on here.

taxcutter - 8-16-2009 at 12:34 PM

I salute to Baja Nomad, Super Administrator, you are very correct sir.
And of course, please allow me to buy you a digital drink for your correct answer.
If we ever do meet, please allow me to buy you a real drink.
Salute!

Glenn Hening, Tom Pratte and Lance Carson - of Malibu - founded Surfrider with $10k seed money from Gordon Clark of Clark Foam.

I wanted to tell a story with a happy ending. Of the possibilities....

Three surfers that made a difference.
I salute to Mr. Hening, Mr. Pratte and Mr. Carson.
And of course, we should all buy these lads a drink.

I close my eyes, (mind channeling) Thank you Gordon Clark.

And with that, I will drive up today, to the Bu, and surf with 300 of my best friends.
http://www.wavewatch.com/Live-Surf-Cams-Region.php?CamID=22&...

Civilization is a method of living, an attitude of equal respect for all men.
Jane Addams (1860 - 1935), Speech, Honolulu (1933)

Respectfully submitted,
Marco

[Edited on 8-16-2009 by taxcutter]

surfer jim - 8-16-2009 at 01:27 PM

....well .....I got 2nd place this time....not too bad..... :lol:

Windflow - 8-18-2009 at 06:50 PM

Taxcutter, Great story! Surfrider and Wildocast may not be perfect but they are the best we have going right now.

Ruben, I'm puzzeled by your attitude and insistance to attack John whoever and sureador Baja (what is that?) and who is operating partner, etc. Huh? Who cares?

I think the primary point is what i've heard from multiple sources is that you apparently had repeated violations and ignored Profepa's demands to stop what you were doing. They did come out many times and you kept doing the same things as soon as they left town.

You know, in Mexico if you disrepect the locals and especially the local laws, you're gonna have some problems. And we don't hear anything from you about the actual legalities of the Profepa enforcements so we can only assume that they were appropriate, and we now only hear from you about how somebody must have paid them gas money to come out and harrass you. I'm surprised you're not also accusing people of bribes too.

Sure, it is Mexico, but more than likely you just really peeed Profepa off so they weren't going to let you slide. And even if somebody did help them with gas which i doubt, who cares? Apparently you were really breaking the law and i'm sure if the roles were reversed you would have done the exact same thing.

You're a businessman out to make investments and to make money and good for you. That's great and you have every right to do so. But if you make some mistakes or if you get a round of bad luck because some people don;t like you, then MAN UP and deal with it instead of whining and attacking people on these forums, especially when you don;t have any facts to support your claims. That stuff with juan del Rio above was really weak dude.

Maybe you should just go surfing at some new spot in Baja and get over it. But please do us all a favor and leave your developers hat at home so we don;t have this Scorpion Bay cancer infecting other areas of Baja.

Late.

woody with a view - 8-18-2009 at 06:57 PM

windflow

agree with you 100%.

however, according to "other" local sources this weekend, as soon as Ruben installed a state of the art septic system, which triggered an automatic 25 year extension of his lease, well, that was the beginning of the latest round(s) of drama. if these old, rich white guys don't think they'll be around long enough to see the point under their control, well i don't give a chiite.

another "factoid", the judge overseeing this entire drama went on vacation a week or so ago for 2 weeks. coincidence as to when the fence went up? who knows..... whatta shame...

Ruben? do you have any more details to illuminate the masses, like tossing a litre of gasolina on the bonfire?

edit: Windflow, please embelish upon the following:

"you apparently had repeated violations and ignored Profepa's demands to stop what you were doing. They did come out many times and you kept doing the same things as soon as they left town."

"But if you make some mistakes or if you get a round of bad luck because some people don;t like you, then MAN UP and deal with it instead of whining and attacking people on these forums, especially when you don;t have any facts to support your claims."

FACTS? please enlighten us! facts are hard to come by unless you are one of the pupeteers in this saga..... details and inuendo are opposite sides of the same coin, brah!

[Edited on 8-19-2009 by woody in ob]

[Edited on 8-19-2009 by woody in ob]

surfer jim - 8-19-2009 at 07:08 AM

Anybody got some photos of the campground/houses around there just to see what everyone is talking about?

gnukid - 8-19-2009 at 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by surfer jim
Anybody got some photos of the campground/houses around there just to see what everyone is talking about?

Here is one of the Palapas in the foreground and the big Cantina in the background.

A Palapa for Camping

Russ - 8-19-2009 at 01:52 PM

inside the palapa:

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Russ - 8-19-2009 at 02:59 PM

While I'm waiting for some pics to upload in photobucket I'll tell ya about my stay in San Juanico. We had planned to camp for 3 or 4 nights but it was really blowing. No way to set a tent up more less try to cook meals. By chance another group from Punta Chivato had driven their Quads over and were staying rooms at the camp. They were pretty unhappy with the rooms and having to go through rooms to go to the bathroom. One couple's beds were so bad they went down to the palapa and and got a cot & bedding for their room. Food was good there and the beer was cold. But at Around $45/night not generally a good experience. A local there, Jack, was selling a camper and one of us wanted to check it out. Turned out Jack and his wife, Angela, do some property management for some of the home owners and he had a nice selection to choose from. We took the first one he showed us. A really clean 2 bdrm with two couches in the living room to sleep the extra body. Jack visits the Nomads sometimes so he may chime in about the rentals not the politics. If you're interested in the rental homes hare's jack's E-mail bajafam1@hotmail.com Our place was $200/night +/- It turned out to be a hell of a camping trip fo $50 each/ night. Hot water, Best beds & bedding, refer, stove, BBQ on the patio with a view of 1st point on and on. Can't say enough. Oh yeh, the photos are probably cooked by now....
Kitchen

Patio with BBQ & great view

Secure parking area fit 2 big quads and 2 Rangers

Bath

Guest bdrm

Another view of the patio.

These next shots are of the neighbors place just below the one we had. Also for rent. Bigger place with an enclosed observation deck.

Parking area

Steve was damned if he was going to haul his surf stuff over there and nit ride a wave or two. Totally blown out. By afternoon there wasn't even a wave this small. But holly chit what an unreal break! Endless Summer type waves when they're breaking.

Here's what we drove over on.

Long.... beach

Sorry no pics of the Scorpion Bay accommodations. Maybe some one else.

David K - 8-19-2009 at 03:37 PM

Good photos Russ... Thanks!

bajarasta1 - 9-29-2010 at 11:25 PM

bottom line is regardless of the politics , the facts are simple....

you catch one 200yd ride there on an offshore day over shoulder high and you are hooked for life. sure there are more consistant spots in baja. there are less crowded. but on its day, there is not better, not anywhere(in baja). 2nd and 3rd are to die for when they are on. there are other breaks around, even in the area. but all of it pales in comparison to 2nd and 3rd points.
anyone who claims they dont understand what the fuss is all about. has not surfed there when its good.many who had the privilege to surf it empty and back in the day, empty and perfect , well they are over it.
but even when its packed its total stoke out there. its a good family spot. and there is no better spot to learn to surf(rights) in all of baja. its relatively safe in and out of the water and the locals are pretty cool to travelers. almost everyone i know who has been there more than once has been adopted in friendship by at least one of the local family's.
but with a seriously large(for the size and location of the town) exclusive population of very well off gringos there is plenty of issues.and there is enough local politics as well. no ejido is without its drama. the gringos/developers want the land, the surfer/campers want the point/cantina, and the ejido and almost all of the family's want as many of our dollars as we are willing to bring and side with whoever they like best for whatever reason.
but can you have the "quintessential baja surf experience" in san juanico still? of course you can life is what you make it. it also makes a great first/newbie baja trip before you really try to rough it out there. like i said its a great spot for folks with little kids new swimmers/surfers and the more advanced as well. and because of that it lends itself well to groups. because of that, seasonal south swells, and great surf foercasting , it can get pretty crowded in no time at all.
we love it there, the whole family ... regardless of the politics... and yes we know folks on gringo hill, out at seventh, in town, have been adopted by a local family, and have spent all night dancing after the fiesta and c-ckfights more than once.
so if for some strange reason you find yourself there, and its grinding for 200-300 yards and offshore, and its packed, and you think its overrated, paddle out.... i dare you to just humor me and catch one good one,
then tell us if you still feel its overrated...
go camp, stay with a friend, try the hotel, whatever you do hawever you wanna do it, but do it now, while you still can, while the beach is still open, while the campers are still there, while you still can catch a glimpse of the true baja vibe, cause its truly endangered...
bajarasta