BajaNomad - LA Times Article "Violence is down in Mexico"

LA Times Article "Violence is down in Mexico"

CortezBlue - 9-12-2009 at 06:23 PM

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-m...

[Edited on 9-13-2009 by BajaNomad]

noproblemo2 - 9-12-2009 at 06:49 PM

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DENNIS - 9-12-2009 at 07:09 PM

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gnukid - 9-12-2009 at 07:15 PM

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DENNIS - 9-12-2009 at 07:22 PM

Thanks, Gnu.

arrowhead - 9-13-2009 at 12:49 AM

You realize, of course, that the guy who said violence was down was fired two weeks later by President Calderon.

CaboRon - 9-13-2009 at 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
You realize, of course, that the guy who said violence was down was fired two weeks later by President Calderon.

k-rico - 9-13-2009 at 06:32 AM

From: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0819/p10s01-woam.html (Aug 16th)

"What progress has President Calderón made dismantling cartels?

Since Mr. Calderón took office in December 2006, more than 11,000 have been killed in cartel-connected deaths, according to running tallies in the local press. The attorney general's office says that 9 of 10 victims are members of organized-crime groups. Most violence has occurred in the state of Chihuahua. The government says violence is the unwelcome result of its clampdown: Groups have splintered, creating more turf wars.

Others are not convinced.

The Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego analyzed the number of drug-related killings in the first six months of 2009, comparing it with the last six months of 2008, and found a 5 percent drop. "

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From: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/12/deadly-vi...

"TIJUANA — Authorities are reporting a new wave of violence in Tijuana: 19 homicides in the first eight days of September.
The year is shaping up to be the second-deadliest in the city's history.

The Baja California Attorney General's Office logged 405 homicides between Jan. 1 and Friday. That's less than half of the record-smashing 843 homicides recorded in 2008, but 68 more than in all of 2007. "

[Edited on 9-13-2009 by k-rico]

Bajahowodd - 9-13-2009 at 12:31 PM

This what happens when three week old news stories get posted. Sorta like waiting for last month's stats on the economy. We do not live in a static world.

Woooosh - 9-14-2009 at 06:40 PM

Rosarito has been cleaned up for sure. I know who the bad guys are in my area and one by one they have all been taken out. The last guys "safe house" for human cargo was taken out in a hail of gunfire friday night. He's in custody and the people were freed. Now the neighbors are coming out like the house fell on the bad witch or something. It's amazing how different the feeling is from just a year ago. Really.

[Edited on 9-15-2009 by Woooosh]

danaeb - 9-14-2009 at 06:47 PM

I asked the cab driver who took me to the Tijuana airport on Thursday if things were mas tranquilo and he said yes. I suppose he would be in a position to know.

But I also heard, when I got to La Paz, that cartel members, disguised as federal police, with cars, uniforms and fake papers were able to spring 15 hombres muy malos from jail. There were 'have you seen these guys' posters all over the city.

So maybe it's a wash.

DENNIS - 9-14-2009 at 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by danaeb
I asked the cab driver who took me to the Tijuana airport on Thursday if things were mas tranquilo and he said yes. I suppose he would be in a position to know.

Give that cab driver a Chamber Of Commerce gold star. :lol:

Woooosh - 9-14-2009 at 06:57 PM

IMHO the cartels wil be fighting everyone including themselves forever. I was talking about there being less acts of violence in public places in the the daytime and a safer feeing in general for the public. A lot of the minor players took advantage of the security situation during the past year and now they have either been arrested, killed, entered rehab or just ran away.

DENNIS - 9-14-2009 at 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
A lot of the minor players entered rehab

Interesting. Wonder how they're doin'? Knifing each other in the mess hall, I hope.

k-rico - 9-15-2009 at 07:56 AM

One article I referenced above said 9 out 10 deaths were members of organized-crime groups.

The article reference below states that there have been 13,500 deaths since Calderon started the war.

That's about 12,000 dead narcos.

It also says that 80,000 drug arrests have been made. Who knows what percentage are still in jail, I would guess the percentage is pretty high given the guilty to proven innocent tradition, which I understand is coming to an end.

Anyway, what? 90,000 narcos off the street by death or jail since 2006?

Woooosh said things are better in Rosarito, I live in TJ and I think things are better here.

http://www.elliderusa.com/news.php?nid=4977

[Edited on 9-15-2009 by k-rico]

DENNIS - 9-15-2009 at 08:08 AM

There's a local blog site, which will go unnamed here, that continually gives a litany of killings in the region. She refers to every killing as an execution ?????
Anyway, she gives references and to believe the reporting, it doesn't sound as though there's any lull in the activities.

k-rico - 9-15-2009 at 08:24 AM

Maggie is thorough however it's tough for me to draw any conclusions about the effectiveness of the war from her "daily police blotter" reporting. Maybe some of her ilk could add a comment about that.

DENNIS - 9-15-2009 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico
She is thorough however it's tough for me to draw any conclusions about the effectiveness of the war from her "daily police blotter" reporting. Maybe some of her ilk could add a comment about that.

For the Español challenged, it's about all there is. The Chamber Of Commerce would have everybody believing that there's peace in the streets and that's just not the way it is.

She has persona non grata status here so I wont even use her name.

[Edited on 9-15-2009 by DENNIS]

Woooosh - 9-15-2009 at 10:59 AM

I have never heard of her or the rosarito crime blog- so I live here in the bliss of ignorance. Not so thrilled about my perception of safety not being reality if this is true. Nomads know how rare it is for me to post about feeing safe and more secure here.

One very interesting locals tactic: I noticed the safe house the police broke into the other night to free the hostages had a "for rent" sign on it within hours of the event. If anything bad happenned at my house I would def put a "for sale" or "for rent" sign on it so the bad guys would think everyone who lived there was already gone too.

Mexicorn - 9-15-2009 at 11:13 AM

I've been comming to BC Norte for years and nothing bad aside the local cop looking for Mordida, has ever happened to me. I look at it this way I dont sell drugs, I dont use drugs, I dont hang out where drugs are sold I've got no problemo so far. plus I just joined the Rosarito Footprinters I've been told my membership card is basically a "Get out of jail free card" not that it would ever come to that. So I'm not concerned in the least. :light:

DENNIS - 9-15-2009 at 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Mexicorn
I just joined the Rosarito Footprinters I've been told my membership card is basically a "Get out of jail free card" not that it would ever come to that. So I'm not concerned in the least. :light:

Well, there you are, all smug with your ticket to freedom. You see, we outside of Rob-me-arito don't qualify to be a...what is it? oh yeah....Rosarito Footprinter. I'm about to move up there just for that reason.
Get Out Of Jail Free card. Yep. That's better than cash but, don't bank on it.

Who are the Rosarito Footprinters and what do they do?

DENNIS - 9-15-2009 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
I have never heard of her or the rosarito crime blog-

Hey Wooooosh....U2U

arrowhead - 9-15-2009 at 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
IMHO the cartels wil be fighting everyone including themselves forever. I was talking about there being less acts of violence in public places in the the daytime and a safer feeing in general for the public. A lot of the minor players took advantage of the security situation during the past year and now they have either been arrested, killed, entered rehab or just ran away.

Less violence is more a perception than a reality. There have been 8 murders in TJ in the past 12 hours. 6 were in your neighborhood of Playas. A Nissan was set fire last night. There were 4 crispy critters inside the car and another 2 in the trunk. There's pictures of them on AFN, but it is not for those with weak stomachs.

Mexicorn - 9-15-2009 at 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Whoa slow your roll there Dennis I dont even know you but I can tell your a rude SOB arent you? Didnt you mother ever teach you manners or are you just doing your best to be a dumb ass? Dont down the Footprinters until you snuggle up to one first my neighbor to the north. I didnt join up this blog to just exchange witt with you idiots up in campo sitting out there in the heat with a .45 strapped to your hip and a pair of binos swinging from your neck like a wanna be lawman. So back off! :bounce:

arrowhead - 9-15-2009 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mexicorn
I just joined the Rosarito Footprinters I've been told my membership card is basically a "Get out of jail free card"

P.T. Barnum was right.

DENNIS - 9-15-2009 at 11:58 AM

Footprinters. Giving aid and comfort to Rosarito police.
This is the ultimate self-delusion.

http://independentfootprinters.org/history.html

Woooosh - 9-15-2009 at 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Footprinters. Giving aid and comfort to Rosarito police.
This is the ultimate self-delusion.

http://independentfootprinters.org/history.html

hmmm. They are building a clubhouse and hope with hard work to attain hit their 2008 goals. :rolleyes:

arrowhead - 9-16-2009 at 07:19 AM

The total for yesterday ended up at 11 murders in 15 hours in Tijuana. Violence is NOT down in Mexico. If you just read the Mexican newspapers, it is obvious crime is spreading south from Tijuana down the peninsula. The papers are full of armed robberies in the Ensenada-San Quintin corridor yesterday.

"Whoa" Dennis

Bronco - 9-16-2009 at 10:49 AM

You been told Dennis, no snugglin witt you and your wittless friends. So git on your wittless burro and haul you ass.

Nothing like a good laugh when you take a break from hangin a door.

DENNIS - 9-16-2009 at 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by Bronco

Nothing like a good laugh when you take a break from hangin a door.

Yeah...

...I didn't think it called for all that. Had to be one of our runaway trolls anyway.

By the way...Did you realize that Punta Banda was in Campo? I'm gonna have to get out and look around more often.

[Edited on 9-16-2009 by DENNIS]

The Gull - 9-16-2009 at 01:45 PM

All of you have it wrong.

When the LA Times headlines say Violence Down in Mexico, they mean that is where the violence is located - down in Mexico - got it?

It means there is no violence "up in U.S." We just think that stuffing co-eds in walls, stealing children off the street and having sex with them for 18 years and stabbing 3 and 5 year olds has all become part of the great American fabric of life and no longer will be referred to as Violence.

Just like trillion dollar deficits are no longer going to be called bad in the future.

Orwell has finally come back.

Welcome and come in, aren't you glad you made it this far to enjoy it?

Woooosh - 9-17-2009 at 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull
All of you have it wrong.

When the LA Times headlines say Violence Down in Mexico, they mean that is where the violence is located - down in Mexico - got it?

It means there is no violence "up in U.S." We just think that stuffing co-eds in walls, stealing children off the street and having sex with them for 18 years and stabbing 3 and 5 year olds has all become part of the great American fabric of life and no longer will be referred to as Violence.

Just like trillion dollar deficits are no longer going to be called bad in the future.

Orwell has finally come back.

Welcome and come in, aren't you glad you made it this far to enjoy it?

and the 2012 end of the Aztec calendar is just around the corner...