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Tijuana Police Chief's Orders: "Shoot to Kill"

arrowhead - 9-25-2009 at 05:19 PM

Tijuana Chief of Police Julián Leyzaola Pérez is apparently fed up with all the killings of his officers. Another one was murdered this morning. He has issued new orders to this police force: "Shoot to Kill"

http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=18459

La orden: ¡Tirar a matar!

(woo hoo)

JESSE - 9-25-2009 at 05:21 PM

The man has bal**, you can't deny that.

DENNIS - 9-25-2009 at 05:24 PM

What was the "shooting order" prior to this?

JESSE - 9-25-2009 at 05:25 PM

If you get shot at, then you shoot back.

DENNIS - 9-25-2009 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
If you get shot at, then you shoot back.

That's good. Kinda scarey though. What now? Check in at the station and come out shootin'?
"Shooting orders" have and give form. They tell you when you should shoot and when you shouldn't. Without them, it's a free-for-all in a machine gun factory.
Police have to know when it's time to shoot and, when they want to hear a loud noise, isn't one of those times.

Tough place to be in for those police.

Woooosh - 9-25-2009 at 06:28 PM

Aren't the police on the street seriously undergunnned in this war? Kind of like "don't take a kinfe to a gunfight"? The narcos set off grenades and bombs in urban environments in addition to having all the best firearms and night vision gear. Faster vehicles too. There's nothing two beat cops can do when faced with a narco-caravan except hope to take one or two of of the bad guys out and hope nothing bad happens to their body for the funeral.

DENNIS - 9-25-2009 at 06:53 PM

And, where do these caravans go? Like, where do the hit squads go when they escape out the Tacate road? Into the air? Underground?
Somebody knows. Who's responsibility is it to know?
THEY KNOW.

This whole thing stinks and we're all being played for saps and suckers by both sides of the border.

What is it that rewards the US side to allow this? If I know what's happening...surely they do.
And the Mexican side? Why are they allowing this Roman Circus to play on and on? They know where the bad guys are but, leave them alone.

When those who are supposed to be solving our problems are the problem....we're screwed.

WE ARE SCREWED. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Yeah, but...

Dave - 9-25-2009 at 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
The man has bal**, you can't deny that.

He ain't gonna be doing the shooting.

monoloco - 9-26-2009 at 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by JESSE
The man has bal**, you can't deny that.

He ain't gonna be doing the shooting.

Maybe not but he'll be taking the heat.

DRUG WAR KABUKI

bajajazz - 9-26-2009 at 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
And, where do these caravans go? Like, where do the hit squads go when they escape out the Tacate road? Into the air? Underground?
Somebody knows. Who's responsibility is it to know?
THEY KNOW.

This whole thing stinks and we're all being played for saps and suckers by both sides of the border.

What is it that rewards the US side to allow this? If I know what's happening...surely they do.
And the Mexican side? Why are they allowing this Roman Circus to play on and on? They know where the bad guys are but, leave them alone.

When those who are supposed to be solving our problems are the problem....we're screwed.

WE ARE SCREWED. OPEN YOUR EYES.

Exactly. The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's has succeeded only to the extent to keep drug prices high and very profitable for the big shots on both sides of the border.

With tourism in Mexico down . . . with remittances from Mexican workers in the U.S. down . . . with profits from Pemex down . . . with all economic activity due to the crash of the global financial markets down . . . I think Mexico would fall into an economic abyss from which it would never recover should it also lose the billions of dollars it reaps each year from the movement and sale of marijuana, crystal meth, heroin and cocaine.

That business is here to stay so the only sensible thing is to get it under control by legalizing it and diverting all the profits into the general funds of all the countries involved.

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2009 at 02:27 PM

Guillermo Arriaga, Mexican born and based screenwriter (Amores Perros, Babel and 21 grams) and director, recently told Charlie Rose just about the same thing. He said that there is just too much money for too many people to be able to eradicate the problem. His solution was for legalization. Often, it is opined that if the drug cartels are driven from the drug business, they would find some other illegal activity to engage in. Arriaga's opinion on that was that he didn't believe it would happen in any widespread way, because so many of the participants know little else than drug trafficking.

DENNIS - 9-26-2009 at 03:11 PM

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Arriaga's opinion on that was that he didn't believe it would happen in any widespread way, because so many of the participants know little else than drug trafficking.

Did he have an opinion as to what they might do? They won't just blow away with the wind.
Does anybody have an estimate as to how many of these future unemployed there might be? Are they figuered into the unemployment statistics today, one way or the other?
Perhaps Mexico should consider giving them something like the G.I. Bill and educate them. I mean, what will they do?

DENNIS - 9-26-2009 at 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by bajajazz
The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2009 at 03:42 PM

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Mariachi school?

Cypress - 9-26-2009 at 03:49 PM

Shoot to kill? Jeez, do you want to "Shoot to pee 'em off"?

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2009 at 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by bajajazz
The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's

"Operation Intercept" Gawd...What a mess. Anybody who went to Mexico when this was happening knew the real meaning of poor tourism. We did...once. It took us six hours at the border to return to the US and there were very few cars in line.

Drug use among US troops serving in Viet Nam was widespread and pervasive. I hesitate to call it universal. One thing that set that war apart from Iraq was that a majority of troops serving in Nam were drafted. So, it should be considered that the mindset of much of the troops in Nam was more about surviving and getting home in one piece than it was for the volunteer military such as in Iraq. One method of dealing with the situation was simply getting stoned. Frankly, Nixon gave the middle finger to the American people with his drug policy simply because so many of those who opposed his policies were self-admitted drug users (mostly potheads). History still seems to be split on the Nixon legacy inasmuch as there are many sources who credit him with ending the war, despite the fact that he ran for his first term on just that platform. Then, did nothing and had the gall to run for re-election on the same plank. I apologize here, but fact is you can easily count the number of US casualties between Nixon's first inauguration and his second term as needless carnage.

[Edited on 9-26-2009 by Bajahowodd]

durrelllrobert - 9-26-2009 at 04:05 PM

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They join the mex army just as the army deserters join the cartals :lol:

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2009 at 04:37 PM

Just wanted to connect the dots here. Regarding my last post. Where I failed to go was that, in fact, hundreds of thousands of young Americans came home from Nam, the majority who probably did not do drugs before they were drafted, but found a near dependence on drugs like marijuana once home. Folks from Arellano through Uncle Teo and more, gladly sought to serve their customers.

paul r - 9-26-2009 at 05:15 PM

... good thread gang... we are ahead of the masses with the "inside dope" ...sorry... anyway, it's interesting to see the problem being focused on the american's appetite for dope by the working class down here... wonderful folks... caught in a "business cycle"... I'm going to light a j and enjoy the sunset?!!?... keep up the volley...

k-rico - 9-27-2009 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
What was the "shooting order" prior to this?

Don't know abou TJ but I was drinking coffee this AM with a San Diego cop and I asked him about it. Their orders are "shoot to stop", they aim at the torso. In other words if they stop a guy by wounding him they can't walk up and put a second shot between his eyes.

Perhaps the TJ cops can.

DENNIS - 9-27-2009 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

Perhaps the TJ cops can.

No doubt about it if they have one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpyFMEKQyrk

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2009 at 02:31 PM

That's all it takes, huh?

DENNIS - 9-27-2009 at 02:34 PM

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That's all it takes, huh?

Yeah. Kill everybody and start over.

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2009 at 04:05 PM

Ever wonder if God has those thoughts? :?:

Baja&Back - 9-27-2009 at 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by bajajazzThat business is here to stay so the only sensible thing is to get it under control by legalizing it and diverting all the profits into the general funds of all the countries involved.

Here we go again with the "legalize drugs" bit. Really, what's the root cause of the problem? Drug USERS. Shoot the damned druggies! Then there's no business for the drug dealers.
No problema.

Cyanide41 - 9-28-2009 at 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
What was the "shooting order" prior to this?

Ahhh yes... When I was in there military and guarded sensitive assests we were to "shoot to render then incapable to continue their current action."

No one wants to use the word "KILL" in an investigation or trial. If you were just trying to "stop" the person, then it was just unfortunate circumstance that they happend to die in the process.

Well, that didn't work out too well.

arrowhead - 9-30-2009 at 10:30 PM

Three more TJ police were ambushed and killed today. A few more are wounded.

They really need to change their tactics.

[Edited on 10-1-2009 by arrowhead]