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Tijuana Police Chief's Orders: "Shoot to Kill"
Tijuana Chief of Police Julián Leyzaola Pérez is apparently fed up with all the killings of his officers. Another one was murdered this morning. He
has issued new orders to this police force: "Shoot to Kill"
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=18459
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JESSE
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The man has bal**, you can't deny that.
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What was the "shooting order" prior to this?
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JESSE
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If you get shot at, then you shoot back.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
If you get shot at, then you shoot back. |
That's good. Kinda scarey though. What now? Check in at the station and come out shootin'?
"Shooting orders" have and give form. They tell you when you should shoot and when you shouldn't. Without them, it's a free-for-all in a machine
gun factory.
Police have to know when it's time to shoot and, when they want to hear a loud noise, isn't one of those times.
Tough place to be in for those police.
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Aren't the police on the street seriously undergunnned in this war? Kind of like "don't take a kinfe to a gunfight"? The narcos set off grenades
and bombs in urban environments in addition to having all the best firearms and night vision gear. Faster vehicles too. There's nothing two beat
cops can do when faced with a narco-caravan except hope to take one or two of of the bad guys out and hope nothing bad happens to their body for the
funeral.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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And, where do these caravans go? Like, where do the hit squads go when they escape out the Tacate road? Into the air? Underground?
Somebody knows. Who's responsibility is it to know?
THEY KNOW.
This whole thing stinks and we're all being played for saps and suckers by both sides of the border.
What is it that rewards the US side to allow this? If I know what's happening...surely they do.
And the Mexican side? Why are they allowing this Roman Circus to play on and on? They know where the bad guys are but, leave them alone.
When those who are supposed to be solving our problems are the problem....we're screwed.
WE ARE SCREWED. OPEN YOUR EYES.
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Yeah, but...
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The man has bal**, you can't deny that. |
He ain't gonna be doing the shooting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The man has bal**, you can't deny that. |
He ain't gonna be doing the shooting. |
Maybe not but he'll be taking the heat.
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DRUG WAR KABUKI
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
And, where do these caravans go? Like, where do the hit squads go when they escape out the Tacate road? Into the air? Underground?
Somebody knows. Who's responsibility is it to know?
THEY KNOW.
This whole thing stinks and we're all being played for saps and suckers by both sides of the border.
What is it that rewards the US side to allow this? If I know what's happening...surely they do.
And the Mexican side? Why are they allowing this Roman Circus to play on and on? They know where the bad guys are but, leave them alone.
When those who are supposed to be solving our problems are the problem....we're screwed.
WE ARE SCREWED. OPEN YOUR EYES. |
Exactly. The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's has succeeded only to the extent to keep
drug prices high and very profitable for the big shots on both sides of the border.
With tourism in Mexico down . . . with remittances from Mexican workers in the U.S. down . . . with profits from Pemex down . . . with all economic
activity due to the crash of the global financial markets down . . . I think Mexico would fall into an economic abyss from which it would never
recover should it also lose the billions of dollars it reaps each year from the movement and sale of marijuana, crystal meth, heroin and cocaine.
That business is here to stay so the only sensible thing is to get it under control by legalizing it and diverting all the profits into the general
funds of all the countries involved.
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Guillermo Arriaga, Mexican born and based screenwriter (Amores Perros, Babel and 21 grams) and director, recently told Charlie Rose just about the
same thing. He said that there is just too much money for too many people to be able to eradicate the problem. His solution was for legalization.
Often, it is opined that if the drug cartels are driven from the drug business, they would find some other illegal activity to engage in. Arriaga's
opinion on that was that he didn't believe it would happen in any widespread way, because so many of the participants know little else than drug
trafficking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Arriaga's opinion on that was that he didn't believe it would happen in any widespread way, because so many of the participants know little else than
drug trafficking. |
Did he have an opinion as to what they might do? They won't just blow away with the wind.
Does anybody have an estimate as to how many of these future unemployed there might be? Are they figuered into the unemployment statistics today, one
way or the other?
Perhaps Mexico should consider giving them something like the G.I. Bill and educate them. I mean, what will they do?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajazz
The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's |
"Operation Intercept" Gawd...What a mess. Anybody who went to Mexico when this was happening knew the real meaning of poor tourism. We did...once.
It took us six hours at the border to return to the US and there were very few cars in line.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB86/
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| Quote: | Did he have an opinion as to what they might do? They won't just blow away with the wind.
Does anybody have an estimate as to how many of these future unemployed there might be? Are they figuered into the unemployment statistics today, one
way or the other?
Perhaps Mexico should consider giving them something like the G.I. Bill and educate them. I mean, what will they do? |
Mariachi school?
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Shoot to kill? Jeez, do you want to "Shoot to pee 'em off"?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajazz
The phoney "drug war" we've watched from the losing side since Nixon launched it back in the 70's |
"Operation Intercept" Gawd...What a mess. Anybody who went to Mexico when this was happening knew the real meaning of poor tourism. We did...once.
It took us six hours at the border to return to the US and there were very few cars in line.
Drug use among US troops serving in Viet Nam was widespread and pervasive. I hesitate to call it universal. One thing that set that war apart from
Iraq was that a majority of troops serving in Nam were drafted. So, it should be considered that the mindset of much of the troops in Nam was more
about surviving and getting home in one piece than it was for the volunteer military such as in Iraq. One method of dealing with the situation was
simply getting stoned. Frankly, Nixon gave the middle finger to the American people with his drug policy simply because so many of those who opposed
his policies were self-admitted drug users (mostly potheads). History still seems to be split on the Nixon legacy inasmuch as there are many sources
who credit him with ending the war, despite the fact that he ran for his first term on just that platform. Then, did nothing and had the gall to run
for re-election on the same plank. I apologize here, but fact is you can easily count the number of US casualties between Nixon's first inauguration
and his second term as needless carnage.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Arriaga's opinion on that was that he didn't believe it would happen in any widespread way, because so many of the participants know little else than
drug trafficking. |
Did he have an opinion as to what they might do? They won't just blow away with the wind.
Does anybody have an estimate as to how many of these future unemployed there might be? Are they figuered into the unemployment statistics today, one
way or the other?
Perhaps Mexico should consider giving them something like the G.I. Bill and educate them. I mean, what will they do? |
They join the mex army just as the army deserters join the cartals
Bob Durrell
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Just wanted to connect the dots here. Regarding my last post. Where I failed to go was that, in fact, hundreds of thousands of young Americans came
home from Nam, the majority who probably did not do drugs before they were drafted, but found a near dependence on drugs like marijuana once home.
Folks from Arellano through Uncle Teo and more, gladly sought to serve their customers.
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... good thread gang... we are ahead of the masses with the "inside dope" ...sorry... anyway, it's interesting to see the problem being focused on the
american's appetite for dope by the working class down here... wonderful folks... caught in a "business cycle"... I'm going to light a j and enjoy the
sunset?!!?... keep up the volley...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What was the "shooting order" prior to this? |
Don't know abou TJ but I was drinking coffee this AM with a San Diego cop and I asked him about it. Their orders are "shoot to stop", they aim at the
torso. In other words if they stop a guy by wounding him they can't walk up and put a second shot between his eyes.
Perhaps the TJ cops can.
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