American arrested by Mexican immigration

It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the continent.

----sorry, but I laughed when I read that.

Thanks once again for your translation, information, and insight. It is always appreciated.

Diane

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the continent.

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the continent.

We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America

BTW, I did get your email. I´ll reply now.

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Originally posted by fdt Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the continent. We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America

Cute. Only three in North America. Let's leave Central and South America for another day. And to think, the whole Western hemisphere was named after an Italian!

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd Quote: Originally posted by fdt Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the continent. We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America Cute. Only three in North America. Let's leave Central and South America for another day. And to think, the whole Western hemisphere was named after an Italian!

Opps, there are 23 countries in what is commonly known as North America----at least according to this world atlas---

World Atlas Map

We tend to forget about Central America, Greenland, the Carribean, etc.

I don't want to sound hissy here, but....

What is Central America if it's North America? And then, everything else referred to were islands. Maybe because when I went to school there were still inkwells in the desks, but I'm sticking to my guns!!

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Originally posted by DianaT We tend to forget about Central America, Greenland, the Carribean, etc.

What happened? We now have 8 continents?

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Originally posted by fdt What happened? We now have 8 continents?

Global Warming is going to completly cover three or four of them so, it's hard to say .
Are we counting Atlantis?

MAN....Talk about a thread morphing. This one is a real shape-shifter.



[Edited on 10-17-2009 by DENNIS]

Pick your maps! On this one I might have to throw a bone to those Americans in Greenland.

http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/imagee.htm

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd I don't want to sound hissy here, but.... What is Central America if it's North America? And then, everything else referred to were islands. Maybe because when I went to school there were still inkwells in the desks, but I'm sticking to my guns!!

Unless someone has changed it, the Carribean and Central America are considered as regions in the North American Continent----even Wikipedia still has it listed that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America

It is not only how I learned it, it is how I taught it to my high school students. I suppose sometime someone will change it, or try to do so---like the questioning now of Greenland,

There is a big difference between what has been considered continents and regions. Central America is also at times called Middle America, a regional name---but I have never seen it listed as a separate continent---

Commonly accepted, there are seven continents in the world, and all the regions and islands are included as a part of one of those continents.

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Originally posted by fdt What happened? We now have 8 continents?

I think that a part of the confusion comes from the idea that what VERY LITTLE geography that is taught in the US is often taught by regions and so regions get confused with accepted continents. The idea of 7 continents is an accepted Western Idea.

There are parts of the world where it is taught that there are only 5 or 6 continents for a variety of political reasons.

All maps are political---just the way they are oriented. I always had a map similar to this hanging in my classroom.



Most people, including teachers and administrators, would comment about the map thinking it was upside down. No, it is just a different orientation and many maps in the Southern Hemisphere are printed this way.

The concept of north being up is a Western Idea. It is like when one travels up the Nile River, they are traveling south.

The political agenda behind maps is always interesting.

OK, tis a hijack----back to bashing Mexico.

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Originally posted by DianaT Unless someone has changed it, the Carribean and Central America are considered as regions in the North American Continent----even Wikipedia still has it listed that way.

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Originally posted by DENNIS Quote: Originally posted by DianaT Unless someone has changed it, the Carribean and Central America are considered as regions in the North American Continent----even Wikipedia still has it listed that way. Sorry Diana...I misread. You are, of course, right.

North being UP is a convention, a convention created in the European dominated world---long time ago. Not to worry, on the maps with South being up, the names are all printed upright.

And your news, I think is definitely as important as the original topic here----I bet you did NOTHING to deserve that treatment, nothing, nothing, nothing.

yes

I was thinking maybe the water just dropped straight down.

but for them it's the "right" way to rotate and our toilets rotate the wrong way.



and, just curious, but I thought that "up the creek..." meant going against the current to wherever the headwaters of the river might be, irregardless of whether that direction was headed, north or south....and I guess...east or west....

interesting discussion...

[Edited on 10-19-2009 by BajaNuts]

we use "upstream or downstream" to mean what bajanutz meant. when you get to the coast/stream/intersection you go up (north) or downstream (south). if you're faced with an east/west decision i suggest having a beer!!!!

Wait just a cotton pickin' minute.

"Northern & Southern Hemispheres?"

No objections from half the planet? Oh wait south is now up. Up is actually down?

Yes, I remember that scene from Pirates of the Carribean




Ok who's fooling who?

but we have a small family dispute going as to what is "UP"-stream and what is "DOWN"- stream.

so, do I understand Woody that both are correct depending on if you are in the northern hemisphere or southern hemisphere?

In the northern hemisphere, when you are at the mouth of the river and you travel to it's headwaters you are going UPstream.

If you are in the southern hempisphere (SIC intentional... )and you travel from the mouth of the river to it's headwaters you are traveling DOWNstream???


or does that mean if you are in the northern hemisphere and the river's mouth is in the north and the headwaters are in the south, you're traveling Downstream???



[Edited on 10-19-2009 by BajaNuts]

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd I was thinking maybe the water just dropped straight down.

Alice: Oh, no, no. I was just wondering if you could help me find my way.
Cheshire Cat: Well that depends on where you want to get to.
Alice: Oh, it really doesn't matter, as long as...
Cheshire Cat: Then it really doesn't matter which way you go.

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Originally posted by toneart Alice: Oh, no, no. I was just wondering if you could help me find my way. Cheshire Cat: Well that depends on where you want to get to. Alice: Oh, it really doesn't matter, as long as... Cheshire Cat: Then it really doesn't matter which way you go.

OK, I now believe that perhaps we can agree that none of us has a clue as to which way we are going, or where up and down is, or if it even exists, here is another one to think about.

Forgive the awful drawing---it is supposed to be a pool table.



When the pool stick hits ball A, ball A hits ball B which then hits the side of the table and continues to hit ball C. Ball C now falls into the corner pocket maked D.

Western logic teaches us that this is a simple cause and effect reaction, but is it? Are there other possibilities as to why Ball C went into the corner pocket?

This is done with all due credit to Alan Watts, and personally I find all this hijacking far more positive than the Mexico bashing.

Watts would need to draw on a higher knowledge than his doctorate of divinity could supply if he ever planned on sinking that "C" ball in the "D" pocket at that angle.

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Originally posted by DianaT Quote: Originally posted by toneart Alice: Oh, no, no. I was just wondering if you could help me find my way. Cheshire Cat: Well that depends on where you want to get to. Alice: Oh, it really doesn't matter, as long as... Cheshire Cat: Then it really doesn't matter which way you go. OK, I now believe that perhaps we can agree that none of us has a clue as to which way we are going, or where up and down is, or if it even exists, here is another one to think about. Forgive the awful drawing---it is supposed to be a pool table. When the pool stick hits ball A, ball A hits ball B which then hits the side of the table and continues to hit ball C. Ball C now falls into the corner pocket maked D. Western logic teaches us that this is a simple cause and effect reaction, but is it? Are there other possibilities as to why Ball C went into the corner pocket? This is done with all due credit to Alan Watts, and personally I find all this hijacking far more positive than the Mexico bashing. Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS Quote: Originally posted by DianaT One can quickly become a speck of insignificance---- One is that at birth. The decent quest becomes a way to be more than the speck. A Buddhist reference would be a stone. One that would be used for building. A good one, Dennis----and perhaps it does make a difference.

Ahhhh Sooooooo! A real Zen koan. Diane, the simple answer is
yes! I could be backhanded across the room by the Zen Master if I were to reveal the actual answer.

Alan Watts had a houseboat in Sausalito at the same time I did. We had many a rap into the early morning hours.

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Originally posted by toneart Alan Watts had a houseboat in Sausalito at the same time I did. We had many a rap into the early morning hours.

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Originally posted by toneart Alan Watts had a houseboat in Sausalito at the same time I did. We had many a rap into the early morning hours.

Oh, that had to be really GREAT----had to be wonderful conversations----as a young person, his writings really introduced me to a different way of thinking and on path of seeking more.

And decades later, I loved using things like this in the classroom in the prisons and in my high school classes----students often said I did it to drive them crazy.

Maybe it just does no good to argue when using
Western created logic. There may be another path that may or may not reach the truth.

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Originally posted by DianaT students often said I did it to drive them crazy.

Had they but known that you did it to keep them crazy, their world would have expanded.

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Originally posted by DianaT ----students often said I did it to drive them crazy.

Shhhhhh! Your rapt student, Dennis, is in the classroom.

He never stopped looking

This sounds like a very tragic and highly emotionally charged situation. It is also a very personal situation that shouldn't be tried here in the BajaNomad Court of entertainment and casual opinion.

We are not in a position to judge, nor should we want to be.