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American arrested by Mexican immigration
http://tijuanapress.com/index.php?option=com_content&vie...
Long story in Spanish. The Reader's Digest version:
An American named Troy Vincent Hunt, was married to a Mexican woman and they had a daughter. Six years ago, when the daughter was one year old, the
mother was killed in Mexicali. After the funeral, the mother's family asked to take care of the baby and took her to Sinaloa. Hunt lost track of his
daughter. He went to the state government building in Tijuana this morning with his lawyer to deliver a letter to governor Osuna. The letter asked
Osuna to intervene in his behalf and ask the governor of Sinaloa for help getting his daughter.
Hunt stood outside the building telling his story. A government official, named Gerardo Martinez, took him inside but would not allow his lawyer to
accompanying him. Moments later, Hunt was dragged out by two Mexican immigration officers, and I presume deported. He was in the country legally.
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Why did he let his daughter go six years ago? Why did he lose track of her? Why after six years is he now doing something about findiing her. Too many
questions. None of my business.
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Was he dragged away for failing the attitude test? There has to be a lot more to this story than what this article presents but all newspaper articles
are missing a lot more....
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You either need to learn spanish or just avoid the translating all together. Or maybe you just like doing this.
This is the translation, that is not that long for you to need to be changing words:
Immigration personnel detained a northamerican citizen named Vicente Troy Hunt, that according to his legal representative Miguel Ángel García came to
solicit the state governor's help in his daughters return.
His lawyer said the northamerican was at the government center since the early hours explaining his situation to all the public.
Later, commented Garcia, he was taken inside by a govenment official that identified himself as Gerardo Martínez and moments later an immigration
official and a police officer dragged him out of the building.
The lawyer narrated that Troy lost his wife 6 years ago when she was assassinated in Mexicali; after the burrial the deceased family members asked him
for the child and took her to the state of Sinaloa and he lost contact with her.
The intentions of the detained, as manifested by Miguel Angel Garcia, wa to deliver a document to the state governor, José Guadalupe Osuna, so he
could intervene with his counterpart in Sinaloa and that way locate his daughter who is 7 years old.
According to the lawyer the foreigner was in our country legally. Finally he pointed out that he, as his legal representative was denied access to the
office of Gerardo Martinez and he thinks it was he who called immigration (INM).
I thought Nancy was a lawyer. In any case from the story you just pointed out to us:
1.- This man needs a lawyer that knows about family law.
2,- When the mother died he, Troy, acquiesced to the relatives taking the daughter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiescence
3.- Neither the governor of Baja California or Sinaloa can intervene in a case like this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Convention_on_the_Civil_A...
4.- The child's habitual residence is now Sinaloa and that is were she needs to stay.
5.- Unless this man can invoke article 13 (and prove the "Grave risk") of the Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction
or the relatives give the child back, he has nothing.
Now, in telling the general public about his problem outside the gov. offices was he causing a disturbance? Could be.
Why has it taken him this long to do something?
Were does it say he was arreset and deported?
And if he was, good, because he has to go thru the State Department in the United States for a case like this.
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FDT---------- I read and understand Spanish very well and my intent for my post was why he was dragged away? Causing a disturbance? If he was, then
why didn't the police drag him away. Why immigration? Can you answer this question?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
His lawyer said the northamerican was at the government center since the early hours explaining his situation to all the public.
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That creats a vivid picture in the mind. I'll bet it's fair to guess he was creating an unaccepible scene. It's probably against the law for anybody
to assemble a group at the state building without proper permits.
Why is this even newsworthy?
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Too many oddities about this story. It can only stimulate all kinds of speculation. However, I do have a stupid question: The reference to
Norteamericano. Is that the common usage? I was under the impression that Mexico was part of North America.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
FDT---------- I read and understand Spanish very well and my intent for my post was why he was dragged away? Causing a disturbance? If he was, then
why didn't the police drag him away. Why immigration? Can you answer this question? |
I can´t answer the question because I don´t know what happened inside the office. From the note I can see he was not dragged in but shown inside by
one (1) goverment official, it doesn´t say how long before he was dregged out but I do know that very few people are dragged out of offices.
If you read my translation (I do read and understand spanish) it was 1 immigration and 1 police officer not 2 immigration.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Why is this even newsworthy? |
Ask arrow.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Too many oddities about this story. It can only stimulate all kinds of speculation. However, I do have a stupid question: The reference to
Norteamericano. Is that the common usage? I was under the impression that Mexico was part of North America. |
Howard,,,tell me sumpin. If we, you and I, arn't Americans because everybody on two continents is American, and we arn't North Americans because a
lot of countrys are in the North Americas, doesn't that kinda leave us hanging without a name to call our own? If we arn't them there things, what
are we?
I mean, Mexicans are Mexicans and Salvadorans are Salvadorans etc, but, what are we allowed to call ourselves, United States Of Americans?
Really...tell me. I want to know before I spend what's left of my life living an error.
By the way...Mexico is called "The United States..." also.
[Edited on 10-17-2009 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
Ask arrow. |
Arrow doesn't talk to me.
Are you talking to me? Did you get my email the other day?
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 It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been
referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the
continent.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
(I do read and understand spanish) |
----sorry,
but I laughed when I read that.
Thanks once again for your translation, information, and insight. It is always appreciated.
Diane
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The reference to Norteamericano. Is that the common usage? I was under the impression that Mexico was part of North America. |
Mexico is part of North America but it has a name, Estados Unidos Mexicanos and is commonly called Mexico
Canada is also part of North America and is a federation comprised of provinces and territories and it´s name is Canada.
Since the name United States of America doesn´t specify wich united states they are within America, they are commonly refered to as Estados Unidos de
Norte America, thus the correct term for a US citizen is norteamericano and nothing else.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been
referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the
continent. |
Manifest Destiny had many forms. The way we abused Mexico, I'm surprised we didn't make them change their name.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been
referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the
continent. |
We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
the correct term for a US citizen is norteamericano and nothing else. |
What? I thought it was Peenche Greengo.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What? I thought it was Peenche Greengo. |
BTW, I did get your email. I´ll reply now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been
referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the
continent. |
We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America |
Cute. Only three in North America. Let's leave Central and South America for another day. And to think, the whole Western hemisphere was named after
an Italian!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It's kinda confusing, huh? I'm just thinking that the guy could have been
referred to as a citizen of the US. I suppose we just sort of co-opted the term American, despite the fact that there are three countries on the
continent. |
We need to meet and talk about geography because there are more than 3 countries in America |
Cute. Only three in North America. Let's leave Central and South America for another day. And to think, the whole Western hemisphere was named after
an Italian! |
Opps, there are 23 countries in what is commonly known as North America----at least according to this world atlas---
World Atlas Map
We tend to forget about Central America, Greenland, the Carribean, etc.
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