BajaNomad - one of Ken Bondy's pictures on Hecho en Baja

one of Ken Bondy's pictures on Hecho en Baja

fdt - 10-24-2009 at 08:48 AM

I found this on http://www.hechoenbaja.com/intro/ and also on the gallery

DianaT - 10-24-2009 at 08:55 AM

I looked at that and it sure does look like that great picture of Ken's.

I have always admired that photo a lot.

Ken is it yours? If it is and they had your permission, GREAT.

But if it is and they didn't have permission, :fire:

I know that is the danger of the internet, and people even take ones with signatures without permission, but it just ain't right.

[Edited on 10-24-2009 by DianaT]

David K - 10-24-2009 at 08:56 AM

That was a perfect photo...

Bob H - 10-24-2009 at 09:10 AM

Wow, what a shot!
Bob H

Ken Bondy's Photo

David K - 10-24-2009 at 09:30 AM

I just scanned the December 2006 page of Marv Sherrill's Baja Calendar... featuring Ken's blue whale photo:

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 09:34 AM

Does Ken know?

Ken Bondy - 10-24-2009 at 09:55 AM

I have been asked to use that photo many times and I always say yes as long as a photo credit is included. I don't recognize this group and I don't immediately see a photo credit , but I am away from a computer at the moment (on an iPhone) so viewing is a little awkward. Fernando do you know this group? Thanks for letting me know about this ++Ken++

fdt - 10-24-2009 at 10:18 AM

I received an invitation via email to attend this event this weekend and it had the web address. When I opened it your picture was on the flash presentation and the inside pages and as a poster on the gallery. I see that it's an event organized by several government agencies and sponsored by businesses. At the bottom it says it was designed by Inventi http://www.inventimedia.com/ a company in Corona California.

fdt - 10-24-2009 at 10:32 AM

I think I've seen this one somewere, just can't remember were

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 10:42 AM

The reason I asked is, some years back, I did a collection of "Dump Kids" photography. I had gifted only a few prints to friends and one day I saw the local Rotary Club using them for fund raising. Kinda peeed me off but, those I would voice my complaint with were Rotarians. It taught me to be more careful.

The irony of this case with Ken's photos, if there is any, is the concept of the show being protection of brand name and rights. I guess that's just for special people.

vandenberg - 10-24-2009 at 11:31 AM

Trouble with this stuff is that once you put it on the net, it becomes pretty much public domain. :no:

DianaT - 10-24-2009 at 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Trouble with this stuff is that once you put it on the net, it becomes pretty much public domain. :no:

It is sad and so many times, people just need to ask.

On many sites, people do post their photos with a copyright signature on the photo. I wonder if that provides any protection????

A photo the quality of this one ----well, as Ken said, he has allowed it to be used and all he asked for was credit, and he WELL deserved credit.

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Trouble with this stuff is that once you put it on the net, it becomes pretty much public domain. :no:

That would pretty much put an end to the "Stock Photography" business.
I'm not sure one can copy a picture off the net and use it to promote a business, Ed. There has to be protection.

tripledigitken - 10-24-2009 at 11:44 AM

Dennis,

I have attended a number of Photography Seminars recently and according to the photographers the "stock photography" business is pretty much gone. One photographer who did some stock work has now replaced it running Photo Tours both stateside and overseas.

Ken

I am rethinking putting copyright watermarks on my photos.

Bajahowodd - 10-24-2009 at 12:00 PM

The only time I've seen content taken down off the web is after the lawyers get involved. And that takes money. So, unless one is wealthy and will spend the money, the caveat is that once you put something out there, it is in the public domain.

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

I am rethinking putting copyright watermarks on my photos.

It's a good idea. I think I've seen software that will do it for you.

fdt - 10-24-2009 at 12:25 PM

Well, in this case the Inventi people can be reached since they are in California
http://whois.domaintools.com/hechoenbaja.com

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Well, in this case the Inventi people can be reached since they are in California
http://whois.domaintools.com/hechoenbaja.com

Ferna....This is getting a little technical for me but, what did they do other than sell the name, "Hecho En Mexico"?
We here arn't lawyers. What we are here is self-rightous moralists who are wondering who supplied the unlicensed photos to the website designer who sold them to the organization putting on the show.

DianaT - 10-24-2009 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
What we are here is self-rightous moralists ...

And we all have our times when morals are compromised. Then others can become self-righteous moralists. :yes:

Guilty----probably because the best whale tail photo I have has about 6 strands of water streaming off which makes me appreciate this photo even more----so I will in a very self-righteous way, say these people are creeps, whoever they are, unless they give Ken the credit.

capt. mike - 10-24-2009 at 01:20 PM

who ya gonna sue and how ya gonna collect...water mark is the only answer.
nice work Ken. yours is always top shelf pro. the internet is a free for all literally... :fire:

vandenberg - 10-24-2009 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
the internet is a free for all literally... :fire:

Some of the Nomad threads will attest to that. :biggrin:

fdt - 10-24-2009 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
who ya gonna sue and how ya gonna collect

Well, maybe Ken can call these people letting them know that he deserves the credit.
And the web site says "Derechos reservados"(All rights reserved) and has the © .

DianaT - 10-24-2009 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by fdt

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Originally posted by capt. mike
who ya gonna sue and how ya gonna collect

Boy, that is a relief. All the pictures including Ken's are now protected, just not by him and possibly the other photographers.

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
unless they give Ken the credit.

They didn't. That's the point.

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
And we all have our times when morals are compromised.

By ourselves. Fine.
By others, unacceptible.
Why would you ever accept anothers guidelines for your behaviour? Can't you figure that out for yourself?

[Edited on 10-25-2009 by DENNIS]

DianaT - 10-24-2009 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by DianaT
unless they give Ken the credit.

They didn't. That's the point.

I know---I was being sarcastic about the copyright---guess it didn't read that way.

And your second post where you quote me I don't understand, and not sure you understood what I meant---oh, well, that happens.

DENNIS - 10-24-2009 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
And your second post where you quote me I don't understand, and not sure you understood what I meant---oh, well, that happens.

How can you manufacture so much confusion from what I said?
I was clear. Everything that goes through your mind is yours to deal with. Your decisions are yours. No outside influence.

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
who ya gonna sue and how ya gonna collect...water mark is the only answer.
nice work Ken. yours is always top shelf pro. the internet is a free for all literally... :fire:

Here's some info on copyright. Google has lots of it:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/copyrightprotection/Web_Cop...

DENNIS - 10-25-2009 at 11:07 AM

Here's another good one:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Ken Bondy - 10-25-2009 at 07:00 PM

To follow up on this, now that I am back home I checked the last several years of photo use requests and don't find anything from any entity or person that seems to represent this "Hecho en Baja" organization. I registered on their website and then sent this message:

"You have used my image of the blue whale tail several times on your website without a photo credit and apparently without permission. If I am wrong about this, please tell me when and how I granted you permission to use the photo. If you cannot do this, please remove the image immediately. ++Ken Bondy++"

I will let you know if I hear anything from them. Once again, Ferna, gracias por su ayuda. ++Ken++