BajaNomad - Cannabis and Baja

Cannabis and Baja

Pages: 1 2

LoyeB - 12-15-2009 at 06:07 PM

Ok I was reading there was a new law passed in Aug for Mexico that allowed small/personal use of marijuana. For those of you that are 420 friendly have you had any problems driving through the border going south with some herb. A buddy of mine told me that a lot of places have drug dogs now, even going southbound. Are the cops/military familiar with this law ?

David K - 12-15-2009 at 06:09 PM

Do it and report back what you find out!

Seriously, Baja is a 'drug' and you don't need anything else!

arrowhead - 12-15-2009 at 06:14 PM

1) It is still illegal to import mota into Mexico.
2) It is still illegal to possess mota in the US, under federal laws, and the people at the border are enforcing federal laws.
3) Mexico really did not decriminalize mota, they have a drug diversion program for those who are caught with a small amount and who are not selling it.
4) Those possession laws you read about in Mexico are for Mexicans...e.g tourists still go to jail. The Mexicans are not the least bit interested in running Americans through their drug diversion programs.

woody with a view - 12-15-2009 at 06:16 PM

yeah, good luck trying to explain the law to a cop!!!

if you must pack it DEEP and only puff when you arrive at your destination, not while traveling, and only away from others who may "drop a dime!"

in other words, it aint worth it!

Mexicorn - 12-15-2009 at 06:32 PM

Just buy it when you get to your destination. It's not like their going to run out of pot.

Not a problem

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LoyeB
For those of you that are 420 friendly have you had any problems driving through the border going south with some herb.

Please disregard the other posters.

I'd bring a kilo. I have friends who work at the border who can guarantee a free pass. Just tell me when you plan to cross, give a description of your vehicle with plate number and I'll pass it along.

BTW, What's 420?

You're a surfer, right?

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Please disregard the other posters.

Yeah...they know nuthin'. The law says, you can have a forty foot trailer full of dope or, now get this, on the water a landing barge piled four feet above the rail with...the law says, "Good chiit." Bad chiit and you got a problem.
So...be careful.

Packoderm - 12-15-2009 at 07:01 PM

No, they're still fighting the war on drugs. I think they're just now turning a corner and starting to win. We should be completely rid of the stuff any time now.

Doper Talk

bajaguy - 12-15-2009 at 08:00 PM

Dave, it's doper talk for marijuana.....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420%20friendl...

bajalorena - 12-15-2009 at 08:01 PM

Are you crazy?

bajaguy - 12-15-2009 at 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajalorena
Are you crazy?

.

Pretty much, .......you get that way by smoking weed....another good reason to legalize drug use......

Going to get popcorn now,,,,,,,,,,,,,

mojo_norte - 12-15-2009 at 08:06 PM

Just buy from any surfer

Seriously- forget about bringing or buying. The local cops/ military will haul your ass off to jail.

Tequila !

Mexicorn - 12-15-2009 at 08:13 PM

Just bring your Rx card with you. You can transport up to one 1/2 Kilo anywhere in Mexico. Really-

MEXICO IS NOT 420 FRIENDLY

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-15-2009 at 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LoyeB
Ok I was reading there was a new law passed in Aug for Mexico that allowed small/personal use of marijuana. For those of you that are 420 friendly have you had any problems driving through the border going south with some herb. A buddy of mine told me that a lot of places have drug dogs now, even going southbound. Are the cops/military familiar with this law ?

LoyeB this could be you. Of course, Your picture will be a much closer shot of you with your three finger lid.

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 08:43 PM

In Mex and USA we are in the middle of a new experiment, the enforcement has changed, in both USA and Mex the gov has changed their stance and this is a significant, Rohm Emanuel said that in the US we will not prosecute federal laws for possession of small quantities, perhaps this is the sole "bone" given to placate and drug the plebeians while providing uniform legal code across North America.

In every county in California it is legal to buy for medical purposes and required by the Gov of every county to offer a legal registration office and reg card. In Baja it is understandable that addicts use and possess. The clear action now is selling is illegal while possession is an acceptable symptom of addiction. This experiment has resulted in psuedo-sanctioned dealers who deliver and have locations which is an odd and yet expected result. In fact I heard on the major radio station this week, si necesitas comprar drugas anonymo llamas ###-###-#### which I may have misunderstood but it certainly seemed clear that there are many acceptable routes. So now all enforcement is focused on crimes with victims not on addicts. Though, I know nothing about this at all from my own experience.

Here are two anecdotes:

I saw a kid standing on the corner obviously waiting to buy, the police passed by and said "Que haces?"

He replied, "buscando coca." They replied "Bueno que no vendas, adios."

I saw a guy who bought in front of cops (like an idiot) and they said "are you selling drugs?" he said "no I am buying mota but I sell Camarones."

They replied, "bien adios."

So the point is now in both countries enforcement of possession is not enforced federally and in some cases not enforced by state and in both Federal regions there is a clearly defined Federal legal possession route if you follow the route. In CA, NM, etc..., say, "I have a medical need", in Mex say, "I am an addict. I told my parents" (regardless of your age).

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by gnukid]

Martyman - 12-15-2009 at 08:48 PM

Loyeb;
Sorry about the abuse. There are a few on here that need a toke to mellow out! Most of them are heavy boozers, ya know the cheap mexican stuff with the beehive.

Just bring a small amount and no ,you won't be able to buy it there, unless it's from a gringo. Most of the old retired gringo farts puff but are too drunk to remember.
Some people sink a film canister in their peanut butter...

bajaguy - 12-15-2009 at 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martyman
Loyeb;
Sorry about the abuse. There are a few on here that need a toke to mellow out! Most of them are heavy boozers, ya know the cheap mexican stuff with the beehive.

Just bring a small amount and no ,you won't be able to buy it there, unless it's from a gringo. Most of the old retired gringo farts puff but are too drunk to remember.
Some people sink a film canister in their peanut butter...

Oh, I REALLY hope he/she follows your advice... :lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-15-2009 at 08:58 PM

Just remember marihuana detector dogs will detect your 420 no matter where you stash it. I used to have detector dogs under my control long ago and I know firsthand how sensitive their smell is. You could put 420 into a bottle of raw sewage and they will detect it. No fooling them. Just for the record I do not drink alcoholic beverages or smoke 420.

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 09:01 PM

Gnu,

I wouldn't use the word "addict" for marijuana users. In one example of street person-police dialogue the guy made reference to "Coco". Different terminology should be applied to that and the two should not be run together.

As to the question of this topic: As a gringo, get as far away from any kind of drug. You have no legal rights and no protection. You are guilty until proven innocent. It is an invitation for extortion from you and your family and also potential police abuse. Who's to know?

As a non-reactionary supporter of medicinal marijuana in California, I would still say, don't do it in Mexico. Furthermore, you are in effect, propping up the Cartels' reason for existence. That perpetrates the cycle of violence. That is what is immoral about it; not the toking per se.

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
Gnu,

I wouldn't use the word "addict" for marijuana users. In one example of street person-police dialogue the guy made reference to "Coco". Different terminology should be applied to that and the two should not be run together.

As to the question of this topic: As a gringo, get as far away from any kind of drug. You have no legal rights and no protection. You are guilty until proven innocent. It is an invitation for extortion from you and your family and also potential police abuse. Who's to know?

As a non-reactionary supporter of medicinal marijuana in California, I would still say, don't do it in Mexico. Furthermore, you are in effect, propping up the Cartels' reason for existence. That perpetrates the cycle of violence. That is what is immoral about it; not the toking per se.

I am telling you the current legal stance in Mex according to every news and gov agency as well as was covered in the Turtle thread if you paid attention, which by the way has been accepted legally for more than 5 years and is now the Federal law: Mex Marijuana Users must state "I am an addict. (I told my parents)" Then you can begin a long rehabilitation free from prosecution.

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:10 PM

I would discourage any use of addictive drugs-even too much coffee or tea and especially I discourage addictive soft drinks, I encourage a healthy lifestyle of moderation and healthy diet.

I am reporting the current experimental stance in reply to much disinformation posted here. In fact, if you are an addict I think they deliver to your house no questions asked in both regions but I have no experience expect once I was a caretaker in a hospice and yes the marijuana was delivered legally there.

mojo_norte - 12-15-2009 at 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Just remember marihuana detector dogs will detect your 420 no matter where you stash it. I used to have detector dogs under my control long ago and I know firsthand how sensitive their smell is. You could put 420 into a bottle of raw sewage and they will detect it. No fooling them. Just for the record I do not drink alcoholic beverages or smoke 420.

Dogs

Just curious - do they use sniffer dogs at any of the military or border checkpoints?

toneart - 12-15-2009 at 09:12 PM

OK. I see what you are saying, Gnukid. But can you be assured that each and every officer will follow the letter of the law and that the user will be given the chance to even get to court? Also, why go through that hassle? Why take the chance is my point?

What about my other points?

By the way, I am not singling you out to pick on you. I find you one of the best informed, most intelligent posters here. I enjoy picking your mind and debating.

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by toneart]

DENNIS - 12-15-2009 at 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
[

The gift wrapping counter at Ensenada Costco. Isn't that nice?

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mojo_norte

Quote:

Dogs

Just curious - do they use sniffer dogs at any of the military or border checkpoints?

The dogs they use at borders are for explosives.

bajaguy - 12-15-2009 at 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
The dogs they use at borders are for explosives.

Really?????......don't bet on it

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
OK. I see what you are saying, Gnukid. But can you be assured that each and every officer will follow the letter of the law and that the user will be given the chance to even get to court? Also, why go through that hassle? Why take the chance is my point?

What about my other points?

By the way, I am not singling you out to pick on you. I find you one of the best informed, most intelligent posters here. I enjoy picking your mind and debating.

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by toneart]

I don't do drugs and would never allow friends to carry so I am not the best informed, I am reporting to you what the news says, what the gov says, my observation and what we have covered here via national news.

I am quite shocked actually to have arrived in this odd circumstance which is that possession is not an issue, buying is not an issue, selling is an issue and Federal dispenceries are opening in both regions and I feel the situation is fluid. Both USA and Mex have stated no Federal prosecution of Marijuana and in Mex no prosecution of small quantities of drugs.

Now for example drugs maybe provided by Federal, State and private sales.
Just to further the discussion, lets say you live in a nice neighborhood and someone is doing drugs in public, this is no longer a offense pursed by police, they must pursue a crime, such as theft.

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by gnukid]

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
The dogs they use at borders are for explosives.

Really?????......don't bet on it

The primary issue is explosives, where border inspections previously contained marijuana dogs it has proved inefficient due to legalization of use in many countries, many US states and now no US/Mex federal prosecution.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/10/medi...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=d9a763ho0&show_a...

Again, this is of little interest to me other than than a correction of the misinformation posted here which to me is far most interesting, why would these posters be so invested in intimidation and threats based on false info? Lets ask them why?

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:42 PM

Here's an interesting essay posted yesterday about the political change in drug enforcement by Kelly Vlahos

http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2009/12/14/one-war-obama-...

AcuDoc - 12-15-2009 at 09:44 PM

ELINVESTI8..."your three finger lid"

Only a pot smoker would know this term and it is very old school. You've been smoking pot a long time. There is an entire generation that has no idea what a "three finger lid" is...and then they would drop over dead after you explain it and tell them it was only $10...$8 if you knew the right people...

Lets make sure they tell their parents

Dave - 12-15-2009 at 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
So the point is now in both countries enforcement of possession is not enforced federally and in some cases not enforced by state and in both Federal regions there is a clearly defined Federal legal possession route if you follow the route. In CA, NM, etc..., say, "I have a medical need", in Mex say, "I am an addict. I told my parents" (regardless of your age).

Given the corrupt nature of Mexico's law enforcement I am quite confident that 'drug tourists' will not be afforded this leniency. However, I will vocally support and promote it in fervent hope that it will lead to further misery and incarceration for the casual/recreational user.

Martyman - 12-15-2009 at 09:44 PM

Wow! The great debate! Pot smokers aren't addicts. It's like drinking a beer or our beloved margaritas. Same thing. The difference in the high is that you don't talk so much about yourself.

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-15-2009 at 09:49 PM

Mexico’s decriminalizations of small amounts of drugs do not apply to foreign nationals, only Mexican citizens.

The Sculpin - 12-15-2009 at 09:54 PM

OK LoyeB - here's the real scoop. Don't ever take the gange over any border. It only gives the authorities a reason to harrass you. Go surf your spots and get to know the locals, especially the cops. After a few trips, you will discover that as they get to know you better and better, the mexican propensity to share just takes over! You get invited to c-ck or dog fights, you get invited to "social occassions" (old timers - you know what that is), you get invited to share in the spoils of the latest gringo bust, or the latest shrimp boat import. In other words, do the time, earn the respect, and you'll reap the rewards. Just make sure that during all this you're not getting played. Easy enough?

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martyman
Wow! The great debate! Pot smokers aren't addicts. It's like drinking a beer or our beloved margaritas. Same thing. The difference in the high is that you don't talk so much about yourself.

Of course few here will actually read any of the links or do a search for themselves on "Mexico Calderon Drug Decriminalization and instead argue that marijuana is not addictive which is well known so how can those in posession say they are addicts! Sorry thats the law you must say I am an addict, as you all recall reading in the turtle post when the guy was caught with 5 grams of drugs but said I am an addict and was let go according to Ramuna. The local cop might try to scare you but at the moment they can not prosecute small possession of marijuana by addicts. You need to practice saying, "I am an addict, I told my parents."

This is really quite an interesting real time experiment with much to learn and its happening all around these gringos who have no idea because they do not read and they do not interact in their community.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/20/nation/na-medical-ma...

http://www.projo.com/news/content/MARIJUANA_VOTE_06-10-09_30...

[Edited on 12-16-2009 by gnukid]

ELINVESTIG8R - 12-15-2009 at 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcuDoc
ELINVESTI8..."your three finger lid"

Only a pot smoker would know this term and it is very old school. You've been smoking pot a long time...

There could be another explanation such as retired law enforcement.

gnukid - 12-15-2009 at 10:14 PM

Evidence of the norm, "He was caught with cocaine by the military and he declared himself a drug addict to go out, his photo is still at the military check point." Ramuna

Woooosh - 12-15-2009 at 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcuDoc
ELINVESTI8..."your three finger lid"

Only a pot smoker would know this term and it is very old school. You've been smoking pot a long time. There is an entire generation that has no idea what a "three finger lid" is...and then they would drop over dead after you explain it and tell them it was only $10...$8 if you knew the right people...

1969-70 close?

tripledigitken - 12-15-2009 at 10:27 PM

All the dopers coming out of the woodwork...............................................

Three finger lid...............................
:lol:

"Dave's not here"............................
:lol:

"I'm down to seeds and stems again, too"................
:lol:

Admit it, you still laugh at Cheech and Chong!

Santiago - 12-15-2009 at 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Sculpin
OK LoyeB - here's the real scoop. Don't ever take the gange over any border. It only gives the authorities a reason to harrass you. Go surf your spots and get to know the locals, especially the cops. After a few trips, you will discover that as they get to know you better and better, the mexican propensity to share just takes over! You get invited to c-ck or dog fights, you get invited to "social occassions" (old timers - you know what that is), you get invited to share in the spoils of the latest gringo bust, or the latest shrimp boat import. In other words, do the time, earn the respect, and you'll reap the rewards. Just make sure that during all this you're not getting played. Easy enough?

Dude - Christmas is almost here - we're waiting.

Packoderm - 12-15-2009 at 11:25 PM

Quote:

Actually, I will vocally support the relaxing of rules regarding the relatively benign marijuana, and I would support criminalization of the sale and consumption of unhealthy, high-fat food products. Anybody poisoning their own or somebody else' health via the same drug that killed Jerry Garcia, Chris Farley, John Candy should be strung up. In addition to some of these famous, sensational examples, high fat foods are slowly toxifying the American public as a whole and creating a culture that fattens the young. By 2018, 43% of our society is predicted to be clinically obese. Forget the weed, forget the imagined dangers, let's hang the pusher of triple patty hamburgers. I'll be the first the vote for such a law. I'll be the first to pull the lever on the gallows.

motoged - 12-16-2009 at 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Woooosh

Quote:

1969-70 close?

Three fingers....that's a good count, my friend

On second thought, maybe not....it's probably that Mexican sh!t....mostly stems and seeds... :rolleyes:

It's really quite easy to carry personal stash into Mexico....just not a good idea to burn the evidence "publicly"....same as back home.

As many on this forum demonstrate, having a puff is frequently looked down upon....use good judgement if holding.....military checkpoint dogs don't seem to be attracted to the scent....US customs pooches are most likely to get a nose on it.

:cool:

monoloco - 12-16-2009 at 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by LoyeB
For those of you that are 420 friendly have you had any problems driving through the border going south with some herb.

And don't forget to offer a toke to those nice young men at the checkpoints, they get mighty bored standing around out there in the desert.

shari - 12-16-2009 at 08:07 AM

I'm gonna go with NO COMMENT on this....but I noticed that nobody welcomed our newbie
Welcome to nomadlandia...we look forward to your "trip" reports!!!!!

David K - 12-16-2009 at 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
I'm gonna go with NO COMMENT on this....but I noticed that nobody welcomed our newbie
Welcome to nomadlandia...we look forward to your "trip" reports!!!!!

Clever Shari! :lol:

capt. mike - 12-16-2009 at 04:00 PM

"lids"
freaking hilarious. "let's score a lid"...."my mom found my lid"...."how much for a lid?"......
yes when i was in HS and at the U in the late 60s thru 70s "lids" were sold for about $10 each, rising to $20 for some good "red bud". :lol:

hell - students had no money - sell for what the market will bear.
Now a 1/4 ounce of good herb supurb can be a hundred so i'm told..... :saint:

well those days are gone for me but tanks for the mamaries.

Casey67 - 12-16-2009 at 04:23 PM

Welcome to the Baja Nomad forums. Don't mind the strong umm welcome from some of the others. It's been a slow week here and the Nomads haven't had anybody to attack since David K hasn't said anything that they perceive as insensitive/attacking/incorrect/ignorant for at least a few days.

In case you're a little bit high and confused by the witty Nomad banter/attacks, DO NOT bring drugs across the border!

If I had a Pacifico for every time a Cabo beach/marina jewelry vendor tried to sell me pot (and etc) during my 2 week visit in 2007 I would still have some Pacificos left today. Although I don't have my ultra-long 'heepee' hair anymore

redmesa - 12-16-2009 at 04:31 PM

Am I on another planet .... Doesn't everyone smoke pot??? Who are these aliens that are from the Temperance Union.

toneart - 12-16-2009 at 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by redmesa
Am I on another planet .... Doesn't everyone smoke pot??? Who are these aliens that are from the Temperance Union.

Well, here is a piece on one of their leaders in times past. Notice that the calendar has advanced but the profile could very well fit today. Sound familiar???? :yes:

Temperance Movement Groups and Leaders in the U.S.
by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.

Cannon, Jr. , Bishop James
After the death of powerful Anti-Saloon League leader Wayne Wheeler in 1927, Bishop James Cannon, Jr., chairman of the Methodist Board of Temperance, Prohibition, and Public Morals, emerged as the most powerful leader of the temperance movement in the United States. Journalist H. L. Mencken said of Cannon that "Congress was his troop of Boy Scouts and Presidents trembled whenever his name was mentioned."

Cannon hated Catholicism almost as much as alcohol and called it “The mother of ignorance, superstition, intolerance, and sin.” During the presidential campaign between Catholic Al Smith and Protestant Herbert Hoover, Cannon “launched extremely personal attacks on Smith that shocked even many seasoned political observers.”

Cannon also used blatant bigotry. He told voters that Smith wanted

…the Italians, the Sicilians, the Poles, and Russian Jews. That kind has given us a stomach ache. We have been unable to assimilate such people in our national life, so we shut the door on them. But Smith says ‘give me that kind of people.’ He wants the kind of dirty people you find today on the sidewalks of New York.

However Bishop Cannon's short-lived power came to an end when he was forced to defend himself before a Senate committee against charges of financial irregularities as a lobbyist, before the General Conference of the Methodist Church on charges of immoral conduct, and before a federal grand jury on charges of conspiring to violate the Federal Corrupt Practices Act.

Cannon's highly profitable stock speculations on margin with a corrupt securities firm, his hoarding of flour during World War I that was sold at a great profit, and his sexual affair with his secretary long before his wife's death all destroyed the reputation and influence of this once powerful dry leader. The expose was one of many factors contributing to the repeal of prohibition because “the drys were thoroughly discredited by Cannon’s conduct of his personal and financial affairs. Opponents of Prohibition had long argued that many prohibitionists were hypocrites and “the opprobrium he earned for himself was transferred to the whole prohibition movement.”

One biographer described Cannon as an unpleasant and deceitful person. Although he “loved power and prestige, profit and pleasure,“ Cannon was a distant and aloof individual. One Anti-saloon League colleague described him as “cold as a snake” and another, with whom he has worked closely for forty years, reported having never seen him laugh and rarely smile.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 05:15 PM

Why do you have to smoke DOPE!!!

Go Hiking in the Sierras
Go Jump out of an Arplane
Go Fishing on the Sea of Cortez\\
Be a Rodeo Bull Rider
Go Fishing in Montana'
Chase Women in Oklahoma
Go Dancin in Texas

You will not have time to even think about DOPE

monoloco - 12-16-2009 at 05:16 PM

Or have a two fingered Tequila!

Bajahowodd - 12-16-2009 at 05:25 PM

"Of course few here will actually read any of the links or do a search for themselves on "Mexico Calderon Drug Decriminalization and instead argue that marijuana is not addictive which is well known so how can those in posession say they are addicts"- gnukid

Got nothing to add, except if certain well-informed and well-read people would get the heck off of their soapbox and stop acting like they are superior, and act out by insulting folks who want to be your friend,we would all have a better time of it. Oops! I didn't keep it anonymous!

[Edited on 12-17-2009 by Bajahowodd]

gnukid - 12-16-2009 at 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
"Of course few here will actually read any of the links or do a search for themselves on "Mexico Calderon Drug Decriminalization and instead argue that marijuana is not addictive which is well known so how can those in posession say they are addicts"- gnukid

Got nothing to add, except if certain well-informed and well-read people would get the heck off of their soapbox and stop acting like they are superior, and act out by insulting folks who want to be your friend,we would all have a better time of it. Oops! I didn't keep it anonymous!

[Edited on 12-17-2009 by Bajahowodd]

Is that the pot calling the kettle black, he-he he-he eh?

Santiago - 12-16-2009 at 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why do you have to smoke DOPE!!!
Chase Women in Oklahoma

You will not have time to even think about DOPE

I think Hank Jr answered the first one. The second one is just too frightening to contemplate.

Skeet/Loreto - 12-16-2009 at 06:35 PM

It is very difficult for this old boy who enjoys a Two-Eyed Tequilla at Home to understand why a DOPER/Drinkler does not stay at Home instead of going out and driving a Vehicle and Killing someones Husband, Wife, Father, Son, or Daughter!!
If you Drink or Smoke Do not Drive!!!!!!\You have the right to kill yourself but not the Right to Kill others !!!!!

Stay Home and KIll you own Children!!!!

gnukid - 12-16-2009 at 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Santiago

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why do you have to smoke DOPE!!!
Chase Women in Oklahoma

You will not have time to even think about DOPE

I think Hank Jr answered the first one. The second one is just too frightening to contemplate.

"We don't smoke Marijuana in the Muskogee Usa, by golly" Merle Haggard

Packoderm - 12-16-2009 at 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It is very difficult for this old boy who enjoys a Two-Eyed Tequilla at Home to understand why a DOPER/Drinkler does not stay at Home instead of going out and driving a Vehicle and Killing someones Husband, Wife, Father, Son, or Daughter!!
If you Drink or Smoke Do not Drive!!!!!!\You have the right to kill yourself but not the Right to Kill others !!!!!

Stay Home and KIll you own Children!!!!

I'm not saying that I encourage smoking and driving but I'll look at some studies:

"In driving simulator tests, Cannabis impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations. Nevertheless, this impairment does not appear to play a significant role in on-road traffic accidents."

"Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving, [but] it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. [However,] this in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk. Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving."

http://www.miqel.com/reading_library/archived_stories/feel-f...

bajaguy - 12-16-2009 at 09:20 PM

Oh, goodie......I can hardly wait until my airline pilot tokes up before a flight......

Packoderm - 12-16-2009 at 09:34 PM

This guy shows how it's done:

Lids?"?? What are lids??

Sharksbaja - 12-16-2009 at 11:15 PM

Where I come from it was all about CANS.

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why do you have to smoke DOPE!!!?

Because you CAN, look:

Go Hiking in the Sierras with a CAN
Go Jump out of an Arplane after a CAN
Go Fishing on the Sea of Cortez packing a CAN
Be a Rodeo Bull Rider needing a CAN
Go Fishing in Montana, where's a CAN
Chase Women in Oklahoma using a CAN
Go Dancin in Texas and do a CAN, CAN

You will not have time to even think about DOPE

See!

Yes you CAN!!

TOTAL B.S.

Dave - 12-16-2009 at 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Packoderm

"Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving, [but] it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. [However,] this in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk. Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving."

First, tell me who ingests cannabis in 'low dosages'...unless it's S****Y dope. Puleeze. Who doesn't smoke to 'get high'? Go ahead...name one person. :rolleyes:

Second, pot affects different people differently. I can remember being stoned and not being able to even start the car. Couldn't figure it out. I may be the exception to the rule but I bet I'm not the only exception. And I wouldn't want to meet someone like me on the road.

Third, pot today is a whole lot different than when I was a kid. Much higher THC content. I hear people talk about 2 hit s**t. I can have one beer or a glass of wine and drive. How you gonna do that with pot, take one hit? Again...Who does that?

Sharksbaja - 12-16-2009 at 11:27 PM

You may be a minority Dave. Most people have 2 drinks when they go out. Now the question is; are any of those folks putting people at risk?

A very small person might be more intoxicated for obvious reasons. I know people who smoked dope once and were afraid to smoke it ever again because they got so high. It didn't bother anyone however because it just meant more for them. :lol:

How much pot is too much? Hmmmmm. good question especially since pot and people vary so much. Probably should not drive though if you can't start the car. That right there is pretty funny Dave.

Packoderm - 12-17-2009 at 07:31 AM

I can actually tell you who smokes weed in low doses. They do it where it's legal in Amsterdam. "As most patrons prefer milder joints in which cannabis is mixed with tobacco, and only 18% favour much stronger, pure cannabis spliffs, the fear is that the days of the coffee shops could be numbered." As quoted how a new proposed law against mixing tobacco with weed would be not cool.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/01/eu.smoking

Packoderm - 12-17-2009 at 07:52 AM

The prohibition of alcohol actually spurred the consumption of hard alcohol. http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/levine.alcohol.html If weed was legal, mixed smoke will likely be favored in American coffee houses as well.

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 08:25 AM

The bottom line is that gringos should not import, transport, sell, or use pot in Mexico. Heaven forbid other, stronger, far more dangerous drugs. If you are caught it could mean anything from a little mordida, to a spell in Mexican jail or prison, blackmail or death. This is deadly serious business, in more ways than one. With what is going on all over Mexico, do you want to even be near a local drug dealer? Hell, they caught the guy melting bodies for one of the cartels a mile from my house in La Mision! They may or may not have captured "Teo" 8 miles up the road just last week! Stay away from drugs in Baja, or stay home. My wife worked in the police station in Ensenada several years ago, determining what people were under the influence of, and how badly they were affected. Basically, what you went to jail for! She is a doctor, and is very good at these things. I know :saint:

Mexicorn - 12-17-2009 at 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabass
The bottom line is that gringos should not import, transport, sell, or use pot in Mexico. Heaven forbid other, stronger, far more dangerous drugs. If you are caught it could mean anything from a little mordida, to a spell in Mexican jail or prison, blackmail or death. This is deadly serious business, in more ways than one. With what is going on all over Mexico, do you want to even be near a local drug dealer? Hell, they caught the guy melting bodies for one of the cartels a mile from my house in La Mision! They may or may not have captured "Teo" 8 miles up the road just last week! Stay away from drugs in Baja, or stay home. My wife worked in the police station in Ensenada several years ago, determining what people were under the influence of, and how badly they were affected. Basically, what you went to jail for! She is a doctor, and is very good at these things. I know :saint:

\

Words of wisdom; If you want to use drugs stay in the US. Afterall, they are the No. 1 importers of street drugs in the world.

gnukid - 12-17-2009 at 08:54 AM

Quote:

A few years ago is not today. Things have changed considerably, though generally I am sure your advice is well warranted in the Northern region of Baja. Some drugs are addictive and very harmful, beer can be very bad for you too, however Marijuana is not an addictive drug nor is it harmful like tobacco, prosecution of small amounts is not the current mode. I also know the medical examiner and the policy is quite different today.

There is a sea change all around demanded by an alignment between Calderon and Obama's drug policy and decriminalization. You can see it, you can feel it, Marijuana users are no longer paranoid-they walk confidently (head held high). The focus of police efforts are on crime not on users, though I suspect there is big difference in mood from TJ/Ensenada versus South of those regions. Again, on the radio in the South is an advertisement to purchase drugs anonymously, I can not report the validity, however every Mexican person I know who does smoke marijuana has the number in their cell phone and they call it and a person arrives to deliver the marijuana in minutes.

I have personally seen Military put aside marijuana from other travelers during searches and never say a word about it-even at airport right on the table. I have also asked the boys at military stops if they ever captured someone with small amounts, and they say no the issue is weapons and ammo.

Perhaps you should read Mexico's the policy statement.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/21/mexico-decriminalize...

Furthermore, in the US where medical marijuana is legal, as is carrying and smoking publicly in designated locations, the law and testing for DUI impairment is the same for alcohol and marijuana. Here are some links to policy for driving under the influence of marijuana.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450

http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_11841741

"In a policy revision -- or clarification, depending upon who you speak with -- the state Department of Motor Vehicles has determined, in writing, that the use of medical marijuana prescribed by a physician is to be treated the same as any other prescription medication that may affect safe driving."

gnukid - 12-17-2009 at 08:58 AM

By the way, I know about this because I was carrying for my best friend who was very sick with Cancer and he used Marijuana and wanted to travel Baja during his hospice care, which we did. He carried marijuana. He passed away recently but his convalescence was full of adventure.

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 09:14 AM

This is only my opinion. Drugs of any type should be avoided in Mexico. I would have a hard time explaining the law to a cop in Mexico! Not to mention the possibilities of problems while around anyone connected to the drug trade. Petty dealers get shot also. Odds are, if you have a little chronic stashed in your truck, stay very low key, and don't drive totally trashed, you will never have a problem. At least I HOPE you don't!

bajaguy - 12-17-2009 at 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabass Odds are, if you have a little chronic stashed in your truck, stay very low key, and don't drive totally trashed, you will never have a problem. At least I HOPE you don't!

Could be problems returning to the US......A competent trained drug detection dog will detect the scent still remaining in the vehicle.......you should be handy with tools so you can put your truck together after the police dismantle it looking for the stash............ :lol:

[Edited on 12-17-2009 by bajaguy]

gnukid - 12-17-2009 at 09:33 AM

Exactly, for example most gringos I know do suffer from consequences associated with cervesa and coffee which are both powerful drugs that cause serious health issues, they should be used in moderation or not at all. Also, I think the rule has always been only one margarita.

Regarding Marijuana I sense that the lack of understanding of the current mode is more damaging to Gringos mental health and well being than the use of Marijuana.

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 09:49 AM

I agree that pot is generally harmless. I favor legalization. I do not think it is a good mindset, thinking that all is cool regarding pot in Mexico. I am in the north most of the time. I venture south when I can put together 4 or more days. I am not about to risk a happy weekend in La Mision, or a 5 day break in San Bruno for a few joints. I know many gringos that use. They keep it in their homes, and very low key. Change in Mexico is slow! Is it worth the risk Gnukid. I am not saying you are wrong, I just believe the average person should refrain. Make your own choice, take your own chances, pay your own price if there is a problem. Oh yeah, paranoia is warranted, and detrimental to enjoying yourself!!

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 11:08 AM

To me there is not much difference in too Much Booze/DOPE.

When I visited the various Prisons in Calif. I observed some very wrecked lives of Addicts. Again when I worked Hollywood and South Central LA I observed some very untimely Deaths as the results of too much Booze/DOPE/
It can also be related to a sober persons 'Lack of understandin" when he drives a 100 MPH down a Highway.

It is called a Lack of Judgement or a Weak Minded System.

I think if Either one causes the death of a Child in any manner while on DOPE/Booze should be immediately put to DEATH.

Please do it at home !Save a Childs Life!

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 11:21 AM

Amen to that Skeet!

tripledigitken - 12-17-2009 at 11:41 AM

gnukid's opinion on pot use in La Paz doesn't have any weight on making a decision to take pot with you into Baja from the US, IMHO.

way too risky.

(next time you drive south of Santa Rosalia imagine living in that prison especially June through August)

SDRonni - 12-17-2009 at 11:43 AM

Just say no............

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 11:55 AM

I was thinking of mentioning that lovely oasis just south of Santa Rosalia Ken. That place just looks miserable. I am sure it is virtual hell in the summer. Nothing would be worth a long term vacation in that crossbar hotel.

toneart - 12-17-2009 at 12:05 PM

Posters in this string seem to have generally come to agreement after discussing different aspects of the topic.

One issue is transporting, and the law. I believe the most important response would be the responsible answer to the original poster: Don't!

The other issue is smoking it. This will be debated on and on and your opinions on the subject, if liberal (as are mine), and are acted on in Mexico could get you in deep caca!

There is a third issue: political. My view is that liberalization of the pot laws in both countries can deescalate the Cartel violence. Whether smoking is harmful to your health or is immoral is secondary. Stop the stupid war on drugs! Stop the violence!!!

CaboRon - 12-17-2009 at 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
To me there is not much difference in too Much Booze/DOPE.

When I visited the various Prisons in Calif. I observed some very wrecked lives of Addicts. Again when I worked Hollywood and South Central LA I observed some very untimely Deaths as the results of too much Booze/DOPE/
It can also be related to a sober persons 'Lack of understandin" when he drives a 100 MPH down a Highway.

It is called a Lack of Judgement or a Weak Minded System.

I think if Either one causes the death of a Child in any manner while on DOPE/Booze should be immediately put to DEATH.

Please do it at home !Save a Childs Life!

Here we go with more of your judgemental BS ... Pot is NOT dope .... and your sick comment to put to death anyone who uses dope just shows how sick you are.

CaboRon - 12-17-2009 at 12:20 PM

Quote:

Here we go with more of your judgemental BS ... Pot is NOT dope .... and your sick comment to put to death anyone who uses dope just shows how sick you are.

CaboRon - 12-17-2009 at 12:20 PM

Quote:

Here we go with more of your judgemental BS ... Pot is NOT dope .... and your sick comment to put to death anyone who uses dope just shows how sick you are.

wessongroup - 12-17-2009 at 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaguy
Oh, goodie......I can hardly wait until my airline pilot tokes up before a flight......

Your a trusting soul... Some of the pilot's I've know... :lol:

Turn those guys loose after a hard day and man.... they turn into Saliors

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 12:37 PM

You nailed it sir!

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 12:41 PM

Read the post Ron. He said anyone that causes the death of a CHILD should be put to death. Not anyone using pot. That would be Dave.

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 12:57 PM

Ok. so my post right now is not exactly linear to the thread. But, as I was reading through, I was reminded of a strange irony. Over the years, the pot available has been genetically refined so that it is much more potent than the crap we smoked in college. Within the same timeframe, the Feds, using the threat of withholding highway funds to the states, basically forced them to cut the legal blood alcohol limit in half from .16 to .08.

DENNIS - 12-17-2009 at 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabass
That would be Dave.

NO!!!!!!

wessongroup - 12-17-2009 at 01:22 PM

You know I always thought that the "concept" of America was ones ability to do anything they wanted, provided it did not "harm" anyone.. but themselves!!

Seems we have moved a very long, long way from that....

If one really considers how much information is maintained in "data bases" on each individual who has been entered into the data base... it should cause some degree of concern.

However, I file my taxes online with the IRS, renew my drivers license on line, and all banking is online.. I don't receive any bills via mail...

We really are on an electronic leash so to speak.. and when I renew my passport next year, my Government has decided that in addition to all the other means to track my where abouts they will include a "chip" in my passport..

Let's see, cell phone, computer, passport and throw in a couple of "Keyhole-class” satilites and "where's Johnny" is question that does not have to be asked any longer...

Databases

k-rico - 12-17-2009 at 01:32 PM

Don't get fooled by this medical marijuana stuff. Get a prescription for pot and then become part of the DoperDatabase. Good luck ever getting a job requiring a background check (burger flipper or better) or health insurance.

Stick with your local dealer.

Be A Criminal!

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k-rico
Don't get fooled by this medical marijuana stuff. Get a prescription for pot and then become part of the DoperDatabase. Good luck ever getting a job requiring a background check (burger flipper or better) or health insurance.

Stick with your local dealer.

How sad that it has come to this. The choice is to follow the law and have your privacy stolen, or engage in illegal activity.

This may sound off the wall, but all the folks who love that little GPS toy of theirs.......You may be being watched.

Data bases

wessongroup - 12-17-2009 at 01:40 PM

Quote:

Primary key's, we don't need no stinking primary key's .. :lol:

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 01:41 PM

Does he not repeatedly condem drug users to the gallows?

bajabass - 12-17-2009 at 01:50 PM

Ah, herbal gardening at its "highest" form :yes:

motoged - 12-17-2009 at 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It is very difficult for this old boy who enjoys a Two-Eyed Tequilla at Home ......<snip>.....Stay Home and KIll you own Children!!!!

Skeet,
Sooooooo, how many of your children have you killed at home??? :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 04:26 PM

Motged: NONOeE! But if I had been a weak minded individual that smoked Pot and got Drunk and drove Automibles I could have been one to kill my children.

If I had been Drunk or using DOPE when i flew my Plane to Baja with my two Kids I could have Crashed anywhere and killed them!

I do not judge Pople who make their own decesions about the /Risks they take in life, All I ask is that they be responsible for their Acts.

EYE for and EYE if you are Drunk or on DOPE!!!

If you choose to be a Worthless human Being that is your right but where is your right if you Kill someone else Children???

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 04:29 PM

Skeet- You are a treasure. Don't change. Bottom line is that this is a much more complicated world today than it was when we were growing up. And the quick and dirty secret is that it was a better one. Salud!

Skeet/Loreto - 12-17-2009 at 05:15 PM

Cabo:

If I knew you where on Booze/DOPE driving a car toward me . I would have to make a Choice. Let you run over me and Kill me or pull my Pistol and blow your friggin Head Off.

Which would you do if you were in my shoes???

To me if you put someone else Life in Danger smoking DOPE or Drinking Booze you are a worthless Human being and should be Eliminated before you take some Childs Life!

What about you Cabo??s it o.k. for one of your buddies to be DOPED up and run over you???

Bajahowodd - 12-17-2009 at 05:17 PM

I give up. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 12-17-2009 at 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I give up. :rolleyes:

Find another wall to talk to.

LoyeB - 12-17-2009 at 06:23 PM

Sorry everyone for the political debate, i did not mean it to go this way.Im just your typical 23 yr old college student who has a passion for Baja.Im not some druggie like some people are depicting me as. Anyways booze and cigarettes(ARTIFICIAL these are the real DRUGS,the government just tricked us) killed 10,000 x more people in the US last yr than a natural plant called marijuana created by GOD. Anyways I'm probably just going to get some herb(NATURAL unlike booze and cigs) at my destination down in Baja. Sorry for all the trouble and thank for everyones insight.

Take it easy my friends.
Bahia De Los Angeles here we come !! New Years !!!

fishbuck - 12-17-2009 at 06:34 PM

Hey LoyeB

Whatever you do just be very careful and have a great time.
Going to BOLA you will only go through 1 checkpoint going south. At Maneadero. They usually wave everybody through going south with no inspection.
There are also a few checkpoints on the toll road but again they usually only check the northbound traffic.
Use the same level of caution you would in the US. Maybe a little.
Do not try to cross back into the US with anything! :cool:

[Edited on 12-18-2009 by fishbuck]

Pages: 1 2