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Loreto Longliner

capn.sharky - 7-6-2004 at 07:42 AM

As Tripui was burning down that Saturday, a Mexican longliner slipped into the park waters. I am happy to report that the Mexican Navy went out and arrested the skipper and crew and impunded his boat. Along with tons of dorado attached to his hooks he had about forty tortugas. The park service was going to go out but needed to ask one of the fishing companies for gasoline as they are out of money. I am happy to see that they are taking this seriously---however, alot of damage had already been done by the longline. This sends the kind of message that is needed to the commercial fishing fleet. I understand that they were from Guaymas. As for the fishing in Loreto right now--it is a wide open bite so you all ought to get down there if you can. Remember, you can only take two per day per license (of Dorados).

Dorado

Juan - 7-6-2004 at 08:44 AM

Thanks for the heads up Sharky. You forgot to mention the reason for the limit of 2 on Dorado. For the unititiated, the daily limit for most species is 5 but billfish and Dorado are limited to 2 per day. (not including catch and release)

So, what is the reason ?

jrbaja - 7-6-2004 at 08:49 AM

"You forgot to mention the reason for the limit of 2 on Dorado."

elgatoloco - 7-6-2004 at 09:33 AM

Longliner

Good news that they enforced the laws.

Bad news that the park rangers have no fuel to do thier job? :mad:

They will

jrbaja - 7-6-2004 at 09:54 AM

things are changing down here pretty quick. Gas for the rangers boats will be one of the first things.
Unfortunately, many of these boats are personal craft. Perhaps those of you who care could do something along the lines of getting some of that Escalara Nautica $$ to go for a police force to enforce the rules and regulations.:light:
It will certainly be needed when all those new boaters are here!

I am the owner of the company who donated...

flyfishinPam - 7-6-2004 at 02:02 PM

that fuel.. they approached me on the beach as I was coordinating a wild party on Isla Coronado complete with live music... I thought I was being busted for tossing the fiesta without a fiesta permit (it was laid on me on very short notice)...I had marine park tickets for all.. the "guarda parque" boat landed on the beach with three armed marines.. they asked for 50 liters of fuel which I gladly donated... the only problem I saw and mentioned was the fact that they had a two stroke outboard and we had four strokes... but they were ready with a liter of two stroke outboard oil. My captains Martin, Chanto, Fidel, Gabriel, and Antonio radioed in the longliner pangas that were part of a mothership... the one that was held custody and moved to La Paz.

Sharky- you know me and you know it was me who gave them the petrol, should give credit where it is due- I and my company stand behind conservationism to the fullest.

Pam Bolles
The Baja Big Fish Company

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by flyfishinPam]

elgatoloco - 7-6-2004 at 02:05 PM

Good on you Pam!!

That is good Pam

jrbaja - 7-6-2004 at 02:11 PM

Pretty hard to say no when your cheeks are P-nched from fear :lol:
I wonder why no mention from Sharky ??

Pam

capn.sharky - 7-6-2004 at 02:35 PM

Yes, I knew it was you that gave them the gas. I did not say anything as I wasn't sure you would want that put on the net. Yes, folks, I talked with Pam and knew she donated the gas. And, yes, folks, she is behind conservation and encourages releasing fish. She is very active with fly fishing as well and conventional fishing. She is helping the local independent pangeros by finding work for them through her business. She is also recouperating from a bruised ligament on right foot and is using crutches to get around. Her two children are growing up faster than you can imagine. She is well though of in Loreto and I consider her a friend and a good friend to Loreto. She is one of those rare gringos that can get by competeting with the mexicans by running a good shop and doing community service. "nuff said. Sharky

elgatoloco - 7-6-2004 at 02:37 PM

Good on you sharky!

Now that's impressive!

jrbaja - 7-6-2004 at 02:41 PM

Good work Pam.

tim40 - 7-6-2004 at 03:24 PM

Thank you.

MR NICEGUY!

Capt. George - 7-6-2004 at 04:50 PM

OOOHHHHHH! Sharkey, you're such a wonderful human being. Almost as caring and giving as I......

You know who dis b.....

In the Keys on my way to Cape Cod..

I miss mi casa!!! back in September

e me dadgcp@peoplepc.com

bajalera - 7-6-2004 at 06:49 PM

Way to go, Pam! So now you need a permit for a fiesta? Dang, this place is getting civilized.

Lera

Santiago - 7-6-2004 at 08:09 PM

Thanks Pam for the fuel and Capt Sharky for the report. Pam - hope to see you in a month or so.

Question for Pam or Juan

Skeet/Loreto - 7-7-2004 at 05:57 AM

Juan you stated that there is a 2 fish Limit.

Is that limit for the Park Reserve Waters:

Pam do you Know?

Juan , have you changed your Life and started going fishing?

Is the 2 fish limit also being enforced outside of the Limits of the Reserve?

Is the Panga Capt. allowed to also bring Home a 2 fish Limit?

Two fish limit

capn.sharky - 7-7-2004 at 06:52 AM

Skeet---I believe the Mexican Fishing License allows for two dorado per license per day. As far as I know the Pangero can bring in two also as long as he has a license. I am not sure as to the reason, but suspect it has to do with the dorado being a sportfish. After all, two per person per day in not unreasonable. You can bring in one Sailfish or Marlin in per day (if you are so inclined). California fishing rules and limits are much more restrictive than Mexicos. I fish for the sport of it and not so much for the amount of fish. But, as you know, I am older now and wiser. If I can't eat it down there and share it with my neighbors in Mexico, I really have no use for it. Bringing it home to the U.S. is not something I generally do. Dorado, especially, is better eaten on the day it is caught. Sharky;)

Fish limits

Juan - 7-7-2004 at 08:55 AM

JR and Skeet - I can't give you a quote for the information right now but I am pretty careful about staying within the law no matter where I am. My understanding is that food fish are limited to 5 per license holder. That would include cabrilla, snapper, etc. The bill fish and Dorado (probably others also but I don't know) are considered sport fish and are limited to two per day. I believe this is the law in Mexico, not just the Baja peninsula. If I am wrong Pam can correct me. The Mexican laws are actually pretty much the same as the Washington state laws used to be. No longer that way. Bottom fishing is almost a thing of the past if you don't know where to go.

Skeet - I haven't been out for awhile but the clams and oysters in front of my porch keep be busy. As you know my son brings me all the crab, shrimp and salmon I need so I don't need to waste the gas anymore. There are some benefits to getting older and I intend to enjoy all of them.

more

gringorio - 7-7-2004 at 04:44 PM

i'm happy to hear about people working together like that. there's more on similar discussions here:

http://www.bajacaliforniaconservation.com/phpbb/viewforum.ph...

Thanks to all Posters!

Skeet/Loreto - 7-7-2004 at 09:35 PM

Thanks for all the good Info. Will be in Loreto july 25th through the 29Th fishing with my old Friend Alvaro Murillo. Thanks to all your good help Pam!

Will pay Taxes on the last piece of Property in Loreto. Anyone interested it is a 10 Mtr. by 30Mtr, about a block off the Beach out North. would make a good set up for a two story palapa with parking beneath. Will make a good deal to a person Respectful of Loreto and its People.

Skeet/Loreto

"In God I Trust"

Hey Skeet

jrbaja - 7-7-2004 at 10:02 PM

I might be in that area myself around then. Any chance on gettin together? And, are you bringing your donations? I can get em from Loreto to C.Consti. if that helps.

JR

Skeet/Loreto - 7-7-2004 at 10:19 PM

I am going to try to bring One Large Suitcase, the others later, I will be at the Juniepero Hotel/ will also check in with Pam. thanks. Hope we can meet up.Skeet

Bag Limits...

flyfishinPam - 7-8-2004 at 02:02 PM

Juan posted the limits correctly a fefw posts up. dorado is limited to two per day per person, billfish one, roosterfish, tarpon and also two per day and everything else is five. that's a total of five...if you catch one triggerfish, three yellowtail and two cabrilla you're done...the way the law reads is that five fish no matter what is the daily limit...Two dorado count as five fish, one billfish counts as five...and so on...confusing but that's where we're at.

Pam

Roberto - 7-8-2004 at 02:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Juan posted the limits correctly a fefw posts up. dorado is limited to two per day per person, billfish one, roosterfish, tarpon and also two per day and everything else is five. that's a total of five...if you catch one triggerfish, three yellowtail and two cabrilla you're done...the way the law reads is that five fish no matter what is the daily limit...Two dorado count as five fish, one billfish counts as five...and so on...confusing but that's where we're at.

Pam


I beg to differ - it's five of any single species, not to exceed 10 total. The rest is correct.

http://www.bajadestinations.com/regs/regs.htm

How embarrasing

jrbaja - 7-8-2004 at 03:15 PM

but keep using your figures Pam and that Sea will be back in shape in a jiffy.:lol:

FrankO - 7-8-2004 at 04:43 PM

My license reads the way Roberto states.

Pam

Skeet/Loreto - 7-9-2004 at 06:01 AM

Are those Limits for the Reserve only?
Skeet

I will re-read that...

flyfishinPam - 7-10-2004 at 03:49 PM

...bag limit law as I was going on memory. The PESCA office opens on monday and I will get a copy and translate that portion. sorry for the confusion, folks get more than five fish all the time but I thought that's what it said.

so shoot me! Just kiddin':coolup:

Pam

Skeet/Loreto - 7-10-2004 at 05:21 PM

Thanks for your good Help!
There was conflict years before the "Reserve came into being and it will always be as that is "The Nature of the Beast"!

I was having a cup of Good coffee one morning on the porch at Rancho Sonrisa when a couple of mexicanos put a Net directly in front, a couple hours later a pick up Arrived and as they loaded their Catch, a person with Authority came and took them and their fish "Downtown" so it works sometimes!

After the ban on Turtles most of the Fisherman that I know respected it except for once a year when they would have one Turtle, Beer and a Family Gathering.

Lobster is there but you should not take more than you can eat in One Day on the Beach near where you Catch them!!
You are breaking the Law if you do so!

My concern about the Limits outside the park are directed toward the Local Fisherman who for years were allowed to take Fish, use it for Food, then Filet and sell to their neighbors who had no connection to getting Fish.

Pam do you know of anyone who has "Tested the Shrimp population since the Shrimp Boats have been forbidden?"

Years past the Shrimping was one of the best South of San Felipie, so with no more Shrimpers the Bottom should be covered!

Was there a good Squid Season? That sometimes tells you what the Fishing will be like in the Months to come.

Is the Sierra Fishery better, are they coming back in Numbers? Are the Sardines coming in close to shore are staying out aways?

Are the Barracudda coming in close to shore?

All the above are signs of future and present Fishing in and around Loreto as you know>

Hope you business is doing good.

thanks Skeet/Loreto

"In God I Trust"

Lobster - Shrimp

bajalou - 7-10-2004 at 05:28 PM

My understanding has been that fishing licenses do not allow non-nationals to take lobster or shrimp. Can you give me the straight stuff on this please???


.:biggrin:

Juan

Skeet/Loreto - 7-10-2004 at 05:41 PM

Juan , it is good to see you posting again. i was concerned that ole Age was getting to as it has to me recently!

As you can see i have been going throught a Change of Life at 73.Had a Knee operation that went Bad, had a 90% Blockage with a couple of Stents, PSA level went out of Sight, but has been proved to be non-cancerous, Have gone back to the Lord after being a "Backslider for 56 years,went into the Goat Business, have a couple of heifers, a beautifull White 'Cremalla" Quater horse mare that is now preganet for the first time, and still find time to give the Liberals hell for being such Weak-minded and unmoralistic, Doing what they feel good types, that Quote other people instead of using their own experiences in Life such as you and I have had in our many years of dealing with people and Problems.

You are a very Luckey person as I to still be sitting on the Beach, watching your Son furnish you with Fish and Clams, and watching those Great Submarines go out to Protect us from Evils around the World.

I miss seeing and talking with you! someday We may be by to enjoy you Hospitility.

Skeet/Loreto
Your Friend

bajalera - 7-10-2004 at 05:53 PM

So, Skeeter, you really consider me weak-minded and unmoralistic?

Lera

No Lera!

Skeet/Loreto - 7-10-2004 at 06:07 PM

Lera, I think you are a Good Person that i would like to meet and have a cup of Coffee at the Side Walk Cafe at the La Pearla!

You are older than I ,so out of Respect i will will pay for the meal and not try to confince you of any thing about Politics, Religion, or Sex.

I am sure that we could get to know each other and have respect for each other as we have seen many things in our life, even through our take on the things that happened in our life may be different~!

At this point in life , we only know each other from'Words", and as you are aware Actions change things, body lanuage changes, No I do not think you are as I have posted, that was a Generalization, which caused me to be Banned from a Board.

So , why do we not wait and by chance meet, then Judge each other "Eyeball to Eyeball, we might even find some common Ground!!

"It Don't make no Nevermind"

Skeet/Loreto

"In God I Trust"

Bag Limits In Mexican Waters

flyfishinPam - 7-13-2004 at 05:06 PM

...sorry I'm a day late but I've been slammed with business lately. I have in my hands the copy from the PESCA of the Mexican bag limits and I have to admit that I am being re-educated... here's how it reads....

La Practica de la pesca deportivo-recreativa, queda sujeta a los siguentes limites maximos de captura
(the practice of recreative sport fishing is subject to the following maximum limits of capture):

1. diez ejemplares diarios por pescador, con siguiente composicion por especie:
(ten examples daily per fisherman, of the following species):
-no mas de cinco ejamplares de una misma especie
(no more than five examples of each specie)
-cuando se trate de marlin, pez vela, pez espada, y tiburon, el limite maximo sera de un solo ejemplar de cualquier de estas especies
(when refering to marlin, sailfish, swordfish and shark, the maximum limit will be one of any of these species)
-en el caso de sabalo, dorado, o pez gallo, el limite maximo sera dos ejemplares de cualquiera de estas especies
(in the case of tarpon, dorado, or roosterfish, the maximum limit will be two of any of these species)
-tratandose de especies de agua dulce, el limite maximo permisible sera de cinco ejemplares
(in reference to freshwater species the maximum permisible limit is five)

2. en actividades de pesca deportivo-recreativo con embarcacion, cuyos viajes tengan una duracion de mas de tres dias de pesca, el numero maximo acumulable de ejemplares que podran capturarse por pescador deportivo sera el equivalente de pesca conforme a las quotas establecidas en el parrafo anterior
(in activities of recreative sport fishing from a boat, in which the duration is more than three days, the maximum accumulation of species that can be captured will be the equivalent to three days bag limits as established in section I above)

3. La pesca subaquatica tendra como limite maximo de captura cinco ejamplares de cualquier especie de peces de agua marinas o agua dulce por pescador por dia
(for underwater fishing the limit of capture is five examples of whatever specie of saltwater or freshwarer fish per day)

then there's a bunch of stuff about folks like us who provide service to tourism and what we have to do in order to conform to their laws....

Here's some interseting stuff:

Prohibiciones:
a).- retener especies o numero de especies no autorizadas
(retaining non authorized species or too many authorized species-over limit)

b).- capturar crustaceos, moluscos, mamiferos aquaticos, reptlies o anfibios
(capture of crustacens, molluscs, marine mammals, reptiles or anfibians)

c).- el use de redes de arrastre en bahias y esteros y en aguas en donde existan especies sedentarias, excepto en casos donde la SEMANARP lo autorice expresemente
(the use of gill nets in bays and esteros and in waters where there exist sedentary species, except in cases where SEMANARP gives express permission

d).- el uso de iluminacion artificial para atraer masivimente a los peces
(the use of artificial light to attract massive amounts of fish)

e).- la practica de "cebar" sonas de pesca sin autorizaction expresa de la secretaria de medio ambiente, recursos naturales y pesca
(the practice of trapping fishing zones withough the express authorization of the SEMARNAP

f).- practicar la pesca deportivo-recreativa en zonas de repoblamiento y en zonas prohibidas dentro de las areas naturales protegidas, cuando represente riesgo para las especies declaradas bajo proteccion o en veda o efecturar la actividad a menos de 250 metros de las embarcaciones que esten dedicadas a la pesca comercial, de artes de pesca fijas o flotantes y a menos de 250 metros de la orilla de playas frequentadas por banistas
(to practice recreative sport fishing in zones of repopulation and in prohibited zones inside natural protected areas, when it represents risk for species that are under protection or endangered or to practice sportfihising less than 250 meters from commercial fishing boats, or from fixed equipment or floats used for commercial fishing, or 250 meters from beaches frequented by swimmers..

g).- utilizar "robador", "grampin", o anzuelo de multiples muertes
(to use a ...I dunno what a robador or a grampin is...sorry!...)

h).- filetar a bordo de la embarcacion los organismos capturados
(to fillet aboard a boat the catch)

i).- no anclar o fijar la embarcacion a menos de 15 metros de la linea permetral de los arrefices coralinos
(do not anchor of fix the boat less than 15 meters from the perimeter of coral reefs)


Hope this clears stuff up amongst us!

Pam Bolles
The Baja Big Fish Company
Loreto

Thanks Pam

jrbaja - 7-13-2004 at 05:54 PM

Not allowed to filete the fish onboard???

bajalou - 7-13-2004 at 06:19 PM

No filleting on board so species can be determined.

bajalou - 7-13-2004 at 06:27 PM

And I think
b).- capturar crustaceos, moluscos, mamiferos aquaticos, reptlies o anfibios
(capture of crustacens, molluscs, marine mammals, reptiles or anfibians)

is the one prohibiting taking of lobster and shrimp. ??

whodat54321 - 7-13-2004 at 08:11 PM

250 meters out? no surf fishing either? or do I just need to find an isolated strech? I thought about taking a tin boat out on the Tijuana flats after moving there.

Yep

jrbaja - 7-13-2004 at 08:12 PM

I thought you just had to leave some skin on to determine species.
Very informative post.

Pam

Skeet/Loreto - 7-14-2004 at 05:20 AM

Thanks for the help:

Do they still allow you to fish the First Day at 6;00 Am then get your License after you come in from the days of Fishing?

Skeet

on getting that fishing license first...

flyfishinPam - 7-16-2004 at 01:30 PM

...we used to be able to buy the licenses in blank, then sell them, fill them out and give the list of ID numbers to the pesca with all the pertinent details...a sportfishing operation here was selling these blank licenses over and over so PESCA got mad. Now we have to have the names and dates before we buy the licenses. So as long as I can provide the names and dates, and if I am in process (tramite) of obtaining the licenses we can still send folks out fishing....

sorry if some don;t like the rules, but I didn't write them. I only typed from the law and translated as best as I could. I know there were typos but I have been busy and was pressed for time.

Pam

Pam

Juan - 7-17-2004 at 08:11 AM

Pam, thanks for all the work you have spent trying to accommodate the people on this board. I certainly appreciate it.

Juan

Thank you Pam;

Skeet/Loreto - 7-17-2004 at 07:57 PM

You are a Class-Act!!

Skeet