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organic produce in Baja - cleaning veggies

sharktooth - 2-5-2010 at 12:15 PM

Anyone know where to buy organic produce in Baja? I know a lot of organic produce is grown in Baja and shipped to the US - but curious if anyone has bought organic produce in Baja.

Also, I was talking to a friend who said he washed all of his veggies with grapefruit seed extract in Baja - 10 drops per gallon of purified water, and soaked his veggies for about 10 minutes in this solution.

Said he never got sick from any of his produce when he did this - anyone have any other suggestions on eating fresh produce in Baja.

Planning to eat mostly canned/dried foods this trip, but may start craving some fresh produce after a few weeks.

thanks.

DENNIS - 2-5-2010 at 01:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sharktooth
Anyone know where to buy organic produce in Baja?



There's some farm out here that grows a variety of it for export and local consumers. If you think you'll be around Punta Banda, let me know and I'll research a location for you.

bajajudy - 2-5-2010 at 02:07 PM

There is an organic farmers market every Sat. from 9-3 just across the road from the Tropicana Jockey Club in San Jose del Cabo.
http://www.sanjomo.com

My feeling on the washing of vegetables is that if you do it in the states/canada then do it here. I have never washed mine here in anything but bottled water and have never noticed any ill effects.

[Edited on 2-5-2010 by bajajudy]

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 2-5-2010 at 02:07 PM

Hola sharktooth and welcome.

i have read there is a product sold at markets for this purpose. also, i have read to wash vegetables in a vinegar soak in the sink, like a couple of tablespoons.

there is an organic farm in los cuevas-miraflores ( east cape ) area that is USDA certified. i know the owners personally and have seen their documentation as to the validity of their organic produce and know their fussiness about their farms, processing and packaging.

the USDA does unannounced inspections of their entire facilities periodically.

the farms are called AGROVERDUGO and they do open market sales in los barriles.

they do also ship some of their products throughout MEXICO, to the U.S. and CANADA.

there are also farmers markets in san jose that sells organic but am unaware of any certifications.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

sharktooth - 2-5-2010 at 02:12 PM

thank you all for the great info - when I get into the east cape and San Jose area, I will look these up.

thanks!

Doug/Vamonos - 2-5-2010 at 03:12 PM

This always reminds me of the day I was shopping at one of the markets in LA Bay and the shop keeper was spraying RAID on the fruits to keep the flies off. Classic Mexico.

sharktooth - 2-5-2010 at 03:24 PM

that is exactly why I am bringing my own food on this trip!

Just getting over being pretty sick for a few months - so can't risk eating Raid on this trip!

That's really amusing though!

Osprey - 2-5-2010 at 03:47 PM

Tooth, maybe you should pick another country for your vacation. I have seen many MO/camper vacationers here traveling up and down the peninsula with all their food and beverage on board. They fear food like some people fear the drug violence. The truth is that those people are not really on vacation at all. They are bubble boys. You won't get sick in Baja California if you just fly over it in a plane. What will you spend your hard earned dollars on? How much of the place can you enjoy while highgrading your way thru the place cherrypicking things that look/smell/taste safe? There are countless medications in the states for every conceivable intestinal condition and they all available down here. If you're sick now, put off the trip til you are in better shape and think about what you will have to do to be satisfied.

[Edited on 2-5-2010 by Osprey]

Osprey - 2-5-2010 at 04:05 PM

Soul, you gonna decide what I post? Why not send me a U2U? Why bother the board with your long lists?

Timo1 - 2-5-2010 at 04:30 PM

you people actually are worried about soaking veggies ????
What have I done wrong all those trips to baja???
Am I gonna die of it ??
my oh my

Donjulio - 2-5-2010 at 04:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Timo1
you people actually are worried about soaking veggies ????
What have I done wrong all those trips to baja???
Am I gonna die of it ??
my oh my


I'm with you. I rinse mine just like I would anywhere. With tap water. I sure don't wash them, soak them, spray them with anything. I have eaten at every restaurant, taco stand, hotdog cart, mystery meat cart and bought veggies at most every grocery store. Doesnt even cross my mind to get sick. Maybe thats why I don't? I wish we had organic here in San Felipe cause I really prefer pesticide free but we don't so oh well.

Bajahowodd - 2-5-2010 at 04:47 PM

Not knowing sharktooth's itinerary, but considering there's a good chance he going to pass through Ensenada, he should know that there are a number of very reputable supermarkets there, many of which put some of their NOB competitors to shame. I dunno, but unless one is going to be camping the whole way and has dry ice'd coolers full of food, I just don't understand why one wouldn't buy food in Baja.

That said, for Soulpatch- didja know that Henry's is a division of Smart& Final?

chippy - 2-5-2010 at 04:47 PM

Organic = clean?

Timo1 - 2-5-2010 at 04:48 PM

Thats why they call us "ironguts" Tim and Julio
methinks

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 2-5-2010 at 04:50 PM

Hola shark and welcome.

i hope you are aware that you cannot bring produce or fruits into mexico from the UNITED STATES.

since the mad cow scare, i am not aware of what else is not allowed. beef, pork or chicken.

sometimes, it's at the whim of the customs inspectors and at other inspection areas, i guess it's up to what the inspectors wives would like to have for dinner.

i've never had or heard of any problems at the local markets in los barriles as well as the bigger markets in san jose del cabo, cabo or la paz.

being paranoid in baja over such things could just diminish your experience of baja.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

monoloco - 2-5-2010 at 06:21 PM

We have never washed a vegetable in anything but tap water and have never had a problem in 25 years.

roundtuit - 2-5-2010 at 07:02 PM

Five years local veggies, wash in tap water,still alive ,no problemo. Grown without pesticides,fast growth fertilizer, and all chemical;s good for your health
What is organic :?::?::?:

Doug/Vamonos - 2-5-2010 at 07:48 PM

Hey neighbor! Yeah...raid...my wife and I stared at them for a while....then went to another store. But hey...it's Mexico...and we keep coming back!

torch - 2-5-2010 at 08:14 PM

raid might turn me away - but only if i saw them spraying the produce. I'd probably blame the raid taste on the rinse water.

Osprey - 2-6-2010 at 11:00 AM

Soulpatch just set me straight on my wrong headed approach to helping a newcomer. First I'll apologize and then I'll tell you why I was kinda harsh. I have lived down here in Baja Sur for 15 years now and have not been back to the states. That means I eat what I buy down here. Some of it is from the states, some of it is from the world market and some is local. When and if I have problems with my stomach I take Treda, that's an antibacterial/anti-diarrhea pill found in most stores. As for organic: most farmers down this way can plant, water, weed and harvest their crops but hardly any of them can afford (so they don't use) pesticides and fertilizer. THEY ARE ALL ORGANIC FARMERS. Only now are some locals cashing in on the O craze when that's what they have done naturally for a couple hundred years.
Once on the beach down here while I was camped, a van pulled in camped beside me. The next morning the driver told me he pulled in to be close to me because he saw I was a gringo and he saw my machette by the fire. Ah a gringo, and he's armed! This will be a safe place. Then he told me he had in the van everything he would need for 10 days, that he could not/would not go into any stores or restaurants because the Mexicans were looking funny at him. He was from Fresno, about 30 years old. I just couldn't help wonder how in the world he was going to enjoy this special place and all the things in it for 10 days OR a better question would be "why put yourself through the rigors of being that intentionally isolated?" Since then I have encountered scores of such folks and my curiousity is understandable -- they take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but tire tracks and basura. Unless Sharktooth has some over-riding health condition I was goading him into thinking outside the box, the van, the MO in which he will haul several weeks of stuff he better not get caught with at the border --- what then of his trip if they strip him of all his stuff?

Come back Sharktooth, don't pay any attention to a crazy old man. Soul and thousands of others will come to your aid, make you feel more comfortable about how/where you travel.

[Edited on 2-6-2010 by Osprey]

Bajahowodd - 2-6-2010 at 01:07 PM

Jorge- I'm with you 100% on your last post. I just can't imagine people making such a trip, to such a magical place and fearing just about everything and everybody. Truth is that their are plenty of gringos who never do venture beyond the US borders for those very same reasons. My hope is that folks like sharktooth may have an epiphany during their travel, and relax, lighten up and learn to blend with and embrace their foreign surroundings.

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 01:40 PM

epiphany, stop that it slows down my reading:):)

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
OK, now I feel a little bad.
I am issuing a public apology for sometimes being a big, giant Richarddon'tcallmedick. Or, otherwise known as the by-product of growing up an alterboy with drunken priests! Or, being a social safety net for a career choice. Or, bad genetics. Or, being Irish and Italian. Or, being an occasionally obtuse drunken fool........pick your poison.
I am all about the freedom, oddly enough, that we no longer have NOB that we can celebrate down south.
Saludos.
Peace, love and fish tacos.


:lol::lol:

Osprey - 2-6-2010 at 02:00 PM

Howard, I had such an epiphany myself. It lead me down here to find peace and happiness. I was on the L.A. freeway system on a place from which I could see literally almost to the horizon and we were the preverbial parking lot. As we inched along I took out my imaginary Zap gun and began zapping cars and trucks. As they vaporized, my imaginary roadway began to clear. I was careful not to zap the very few vehicles that represented what I would need, who had to be left to serve me, be served by me: an ambulance, a doctor, a butcher, a singer, a winemaker, you get the picture. They were left unharmed to zoom down the road with me and we got along famously without the zillions of others I zapped. The thing was telling me I would be happy with less, with little, if left almost alone but I could live a fuller life in harmony with fewer people.

That's just me -- perhaps there are expats in Mexico who find they don't like that life, that they must go back, that they can't do without operas and Ben and Jerry's, and major league sports events, NASCAR, etc. etc.

Bajahowodd - 2-6-2010 at 02:23 PM

People should be very jealous of you, as way too many folks are just not able to stop and smell the roses. As for any unhappy expats, it's probably their own fault. I think too many people fail to consider what happens when one becomes immersed in a different culture full time. Taking a few vacations is hardly the way to determine when and where to make life altering decisions.

Just glad that zap gun was imaginary!:lol:

Iflyfish - 2-6-2010 at 02:30 PM

I have traveled in Mexico for over forty years. The mainland is different than Baja in some respects. I now understand that the water in Baja is more predictably sanitary than can be predicted on the mainland. I have had some very nasty bugs on the mainland and on a number of occasions.
I have been food poisoned in fancy restaurants and in small mom and pop places on the mainland.

Sanitation has saved more lives than all of the medicine ever produced and that includes antibiotics.

When I travel I am aware of the conditions of where I eat. The place may look shabby, but the cleanliness can be top rate and the food the best you have ever eaten. Cleanliness is the key and that includes in the USofA.

I look for evidence of ongoing maintenance of the place. How does it smell? Are there lots of flies around. Are the counters clean? Do I see cooks etc. washing their hands? How does the hygiene of the cook appear?

It is important to also remember that just traveling to a different place can induce intestinal upset due to the different flaura and fauna in local water supplies. Our guts need time to adjust. Mexicans traveling to the USofA have the same problem.

I tend to use Acidophilis on a regular basis and many Mexicans do also. You can find it in small bottles of liguid at nearly any store with a cooler. Maintaining healthy digestive flora is a good idea whether traveling or not.

I would encourage you to eat out in Baja. The cuisine of Mexico is varied from region to region and is WONDERFUL. If you are wondering about a place to eat, look who is eating there. Use your judgement. Some of the best tacos I have ever had are from carts on the street. I look at the qualtiy of folks who are eating there in addition to looking at their sanitary practices.

I also expect to experience some intestinal distress and so know what to use for it. You should know if you have any allergies to certain antibiotics before ordering over the counter. Having said that there are some great remedies available. Kaomycena is a combination of kaopectate and an antibiotic that works directly on the bugs in your gut as well as slowing down the trots. My Spanish spelling is poor but if you need medications for this condition you can find antibiotics over the counter in Mexico. I have found for me Cipro is an excellent drug for intestinal infections. In my experience it is fast acting and works very well. I am not a Medical Doctor and am not giving medical advice here, only sharing my experience.

There are EXCELLENT physicians in Mexico and Baja is no different. I would caution you to be sure that a physician that you go to is a real M.D. I had experience in the Yucatan where I inadvertantly went to a Naturopath who gave me charcoal and acidophilis for Sominella, could have killed me. I found the good doc, with Italian sandles and gold neck chain who prescribed me the proper antibiotics. I asked local gringos for recommendations.

Osprey is right to encourage you to get out of your "bubble" when traveling in Mexico on your own or take a cruise ship where everything is homogenized and you will only get respiratory illness like everyone else on the cruise ship.

Soap and water, bottled water if you choose, is one of the best ways to clean veggies. If you are not comfortable with soap and water to wash your veggies and want to soak them in order to be even more sure of their edibility you can use the following products listed below.

I know that on the mainland that many restaurants soak their veggies before preparing them. Here is a list of products one can use to sanitize their veggies.

* Iodine - Follow instructions, and rinse well with purified water afterwards.
* Microdyn - This is a popular brand in Mexico, BTW (easy to find). Follow the instructions on the bottle and make sure to let it sit for the full 15 minutes.
* Chlorine - Use very little (maybe 10 drops per liter) and rinse with purified water.
* Hydrogen peroxide - Quarter cup for a sink full of water, rinse with purified water.
* White vinegar - Spray and let them sit a few minutes, rinse with purified water or prepare.
* Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) - About 15-20 drops per quart of water, let them sit a few minutes, ready.

I want to also encourage you to keep asking questions on this board, you will find excellent and current information on this site that you won't find any other place.

Iflyfish

wessongroup - 2-6-2010 at 02:39 PM

Well said Osprey.. Have to agree with your point.. And your "word picture" as I spent about 3/4 of my life in a car on a freeway, freeway system or surface streets.. I find driving down here a pleasure overall, if folks would just slow down, what is 15-20 minutes more getting somewhere...

I used to love to drive, but hate it up in the States anymore.. Every time we go across into California.. It does not take more than 30 minutes... and there are maybe 4-5 cars that are RACING on the freeway at 100+ miles an hour.. In traffic ... I'm mean they think they are in a video game.. It just scares the hell out of me ...... you can't have that happing that is just insane, as is texing and talking on a cell phone.. It’s one thing to communicate information while driving.. But, I suspect there is a lot of "TALK" going on. and that's scares me.. You put a bunch of cars on the freeway traveling between 55-80 and then though in 4 or 5 running at 100 and some talking on cell phones.. Let me out please.. I don't want to play bumper cars... no thanks

It's just a flash you gave me with your description of "setting" on a stupid freeway.... AAAAHHHHhhh

As to the other, right again... and what's worse I'm finding myself bring more down that I need.. but do I…. hard to say.... think it all depends on the individual situation.. but, then I tend to not need as much as my wife.. If it was me buying the food.. oh, my god we would starve to death...

Women are taught the importance of food.. we are playing cowboys and Indians in the dirt.. they are taught the importance of having a house and getting furniture.. we make forts some we can play war..
:lol:

But, then that is not addressing your point, reducing one’s reliance on a support system, which we have in great supply in the United States

But, it comes with a terrible price. I hear Soulpatch, and see his family and he is moving from the United States to find the United States .. and he nor they are doing it for the children. He wants his children to grow up where it is not what he see’es and what you described and what you reminded me of too.. that life

Thank you both

Iflyfish - 2-6-2010 at 02:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V020XgCqHFo

James Taylor got it.

Iflyfish

Bajahowodd - 2-6-2010 at 03:01 PM

Just think. James Taylor released that song (album JT) in 1977! Any idea how much worse traffic is today? Call it a quantum leap!

Sharksbaja - 2-6-2010 at 03:06 PM

Good post there FF. Be careful though if you do use Cipro. It is an extremely powerful wide-spectrum antibiotic and will destroy good flora as well as bad. So reestablishing healthy intestinal bioflora will be necessary if you use it.

Does Raid rinse off with just cold water???

Bajahowodd - 2-6-2010 at 03:15 PM

Doubt it. Petroleum distillates.

http://www.killsbugsdead.com/fop_ark_pre.asp

monoloco - 2-6-2010 at 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
As for organic: most farmers down this way can plant, water, weed and harvest their crops but hardly any of them can afford (so they don't use) pesticides and fertilizer. THEY ARE ALL ORGANIC FARMERS. Only now are some locals cashing in on the O craze when that's what they have done naturally for a couple hundred years.


[Edited on 2-6-2010 by Osprey]
This I have to disagree with. I look down on the huertas of Pescadero and everyday I see guys wearing flip flops and shorts with motorized backpack sprayers engulfed in a cloud of toxic chemicals fumigating the crops. I have read the labels on the left over containers and they are extremely toxic substances with graphic warning labels. Twice we have personally had to rush workers to the Centro de Salud after being overcome by pesticides. Very seldom do you see these workers wearing any sort of protective gear. Chiles are the worst, they must be sprayed every 5 days or picuros will ruin the crop. All the washing in the world will not remove these chemicals. We try and eat organic when possible but some of the crops here are near impossible to grow without pesticides. I worry about the future health of these mostly young ag workers who apply these toxic substances on a daily basis. I know some older farmers who have serious health problems that they suspect are from applying pesticides, they have been told to limit their exposure so they let their kids do the fumigating now. It really is very sad to watch.

[Edited on 2-7-2010 by monoloco]

Osprey - 2-7-2010 at 07:01 AM

Just so we don't cause more confusion Loco one; your caveat should be "Dont eat anything anywhere around Pescadero/Todos Santos". Or perhaps I should explain that over on the SOC side of the peninsula, if I have been taking in all those poisons for 15 years without a let up, it has somehow had miraculous results -- my doc says I'm in better shape now than I was when I got here. I will NOT stop eating chilis because of your post. Say, hows the crime over that way? These people need all the warnings they can get.

monoloco - 2-7-2010 at 07:16 AM

Personally, I don't worry so much about consuming the pesticides in vegetables, I love chiles and eat them all the time, the amount of chemicals we are exposed to are minimal compared with the workers who apply them. I'm not trying to scare anyone, but when you state that most of the agriculture here is organic you are just plain wrong, most of the guys around here are pure chemical farmers. My concerns are more with the safety of the workers who are heavily exposed to these chemicals on a daily basis. As for the crime situation, it hasn't really changed that much in the 25 years that I've been here. There are probably more thieves now but there are also more people to rob so it works out about the same.

dtutko1 - 2-7-2010 at 07:29 AM

Iflyfish has it right in my opinion. I would add one tool. We use a salad spinner to get off excess water from our greens. Havn't been able to find one here for friends w/concerns, but in 10 year have not had any more few gurgles in my stomach. I take probiotics which contain acidophilis whenever my stomach feels upset.

mulegemichael - 2-7-2010 at 08:52 AM

there's a couple of HUGE organic ranchos here in mulege that ship all their produce to trader joes in the u.s....we're lucky enough to have a worker here that has an "in" there...he brings us all the organic goodies we want/need..

shari - 2-7-2010 at 08:54 AM

it is so difficult to pin down what gives people the trots...many blame the water....or the food(which is rinsed in the water)....and ya just never know what the heck does it. I have been told that mixing beer like tecate then a pacifico gives you the runs...some people cant tolerate tecate but can drink tecate light (god forbid)...margaritas are very acidic and can turn your stomach when combined with certain foods and other beverages.

my worst food poisoning has been from what I think was bad mayo and cheese...dairy products sitting out too long on the mainland....ewwww.

People worry about veggies being rinsed in bottled water and ice is generally bottled water... but the dishes are still washed in tap water!!

I very very rarely get sick...except from margaritas...but after many years of living off the grid in perhaps not so hygenic places...dirt is my friend and I believe I have developed pretty good immunities. I think overcleanliness can be bad for you...all those toxic cleaning products cant be good for your body.

My point is that you can get sick from LOTS of different things.

One of my dreams for Asuncion is that some expat will start an organic market garden...there would be a long line of customers. I helped our friends get one going here out on their ranch and just before they harvested...the cows broke the fence down and devoured the whole darn thing...dang! Maybe we can all cooperate in making a communal garden?

Bajahowodd - 2-7-2010 at 01:10 PM

Want to address one point in Shari's post. Washing dishes and tableware in tap water. Fact is that virtually all of the nasty microbes that may sicken folks need moisture to survive. Thus, if dishes are cleaned completely, and allowed to dry, there should not be anything left that could cause illness.

rob - 2-7-2010 at 03:08 PM

Monoloco - totally with you on this one. Our local ejido is a big veggie producer, and the soil is so swamped with highly toxic chemicals that nothing lives except the unfortunate plants. I wouldn't eat a vegetable from there if my life depended on it (and I am not a fanatic organico either).

The trouble is, just like Imperial Valley - if you don't swamp the crop with pesticides, the bugs eat everything. Here at the ranch all our produce is organic, but we are not doing it for a living either, so we can afford to take the high road (and the losses). I know several ejidatarios who have given up on their produce lots because they simply can't afford the investment in chemicals any more.

Interesting Osprey - we live up the road from TS, and the one damn thing that won't grow very well here is chilis!

monoloco - 2-7-2010 at 03:38 PM

I am totally blown away by how much chemical use has increased here in the last 20 years. During the growing season I can look out and see at least 4 or 5 guys with backpack sprayers every morning. There are some organic farms here but as far as I know it is impossible to grow chiles here organically. The bugs may win in the end though, my wife just cut open a chile that had a picudo in it, maybe they are developing a resistance to the chemicals.

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 2-7-2010 at 04:15 PM

Hola, in the east cape area, i know AGROVERDUGO grows their products without pesticides and once again, they are USDA inspected and approved.

the owners brother in law, Oscar, told me they are starting a new farm in the las cuevas area and they had to find land that did not have any farming done on it in the past to insure there was no pesticides or anything else detrimental to their USDA certification.

if you see the procedure they go through from the time the produce is picked to the final packaging and storing in a cool room, you would be extremely impressed. several of my friends were and one is a chef.
they are so fussy that one time when i was given another tour, i was asked very nicely not to smoke cigarettes on any portion of their farms. no problema !

when the produce is brought in from the farms, the workers, the rooms including the floors and counters and the packaging are all sanitized with USDA approved products. yes, the workers are required to shower before starting work !

A very impressive operation.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

Bajahowodd - 2-7-2010 at 04:38 PM

What surprises me is that a major producer in the Pescadero area is Del Cabo. Their tomatoes are sold throughout the US at supermarkets, and at Trader Joe's. The parent firm is located in Northern California, and they claim to be organic. What gives?

sharktooth - 2-7-2010 at 05:12 PM

Well - I was away from the computer for a few days - and wow, got some interesting repsonses.

Thank you for all of the helpful info.

FYI - I have traveled to Mexico and Baja countless times, and I used to eat everything - street tacos are my favorite. BUT - i did get really sick recently (not from Mexico), and doctors orders to try to eat as much organic as possible.

So - I thought it was harlmless to ask where to get organic produce, since a hell of a lot of it is actually grown in Baja.

I also eat organic produce here in the US - and not just for health/taste reasons... would you rather have an organic farm or a pesticide spraying farm next door to your home?

Anyway - packing up the van right now - so maybe see some of you folks out in the sand in a few days....

sharktooth - 2-22-2010 at 10:28 AM

Just got back from 2 weeks in Baja – drove to Cabo and back on a reconnaissance mission.

Felt very safe for most of the trip except for a few close calls with semis (saw 3 wrecked semis on this trip).

As far as finding organic produce – it was easy to find from Todos Santos south. There is a gentleman by the name of Kayle who sets up a stand every day in Todos Santos who is an expat who runs a farm in Pescadero. He is open every day except Sunday – very nice selection of greens, papayas, and other tasties – nice guy too.

In Cabo Pulmo / Los Barriles there is a guy who sells organic produce out of his car a few days a week – ask around for details (I did not get a chance to see him, but heard about him from a few people in town).

And this sounds great even though I was not in town on these days :

"There is an organic farmers market every Sat. from 9-3 just across the road from the Tropicana Jockey Club in San Jose del Cabo.
http://www.sanjomo.com "

So anyone searching for organic tasties in southern Baja – you are in luck.

Had a great trip BTW – not a lot of gringos on the roads these days, and zero competition for campsites! If you don’t like crowds, now is great time to go!

Arturo - 2-22-2010 at 01:14 PM

Last year in Mulege I drank a rather large fly, I was drinking Champerado and enjoying my food took a drink and before i swallowed i felt a large lump of something floating around in my mouth YUP a huge Fly.

Do we still go there to eat? YEA just not for the rest of that trip anyway.

My wife found a big water bug in her Jumbo Jack here in the States, Do we still eat at Jack in the Box? YEA. Point being I think we've all ate something alittle extra in our food at one point or another.
And were all still alive.

bajajudy - 2-22-2010 at 04:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
Good to hear Sharktooth. We try and eat as much organic produce as possible and we also like to prepare as much of our own food while traveling.
I am looking forward to fresh produce during our trip to La Paz this summer.


Sorry to tell you but the produce in the summer is bleak. Too hot to grow lettuce etc. locally.

rob - 2-23-2010 at 10:25 AM

Bajajudy - we grow lettuce quite successfully throughout the summer on the Pacific coast - under 70% shadecloth, and a fine sprayer that the computer turns on every 4 hours or so for a minute. I use the old square foot garden method (remember that on PBS?)

Understand this is pretty low volume stuff, not commercial. Even spinach does OK unilt the first hurricane, then it refuses to sprout until things cool down.