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cement floor veneer

volcano - 2-14-2010 at 08:00 AM

What is the product called....in Baja, not u.s......... for finishing a rough (long cured) cement floor with a fine top coat of cement veneer by squeegy method?
Anyone have personal experience with this?
Just mix with water?
what sort of coverage and price per bag? thanks...raining cats and dogs here in S. Oregon

submarine_dbk - 2-14-2010 at 08:20 AM

not certain exactly what you are looking for, but we've had good experience recently with Ames roofing products on our flat concrete roof in bcs. They also have concrete sealers and decorative concrete floor coatings that might suit your needs. They are also located in Oregon see links below...

http://amesresearch.com/liquid-granite.htm
http://amesresearch.com/floorcoating.htm

cement floor top coat

volcano - 2-14-2010 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by submarine_dbk
not certain exactly what you are looking for, but we've had good experience recently with Ames roofing products on our flat concrete roof in bcs. They also have concrete sealers and decorative concrete floor coatings that might suit your needs. They are also located in Oregon see links below...

http://amesresearch.com/liquid-granite.htm
http://amesresearch.com/floorcoating.htm


It isn't a sealer type product, but a micro topping of cement....meant as a fine cement floor finish, or to refresh dinged up cement.....can be as thin as 1/4 inch squeegied on or thicker and self leveling. In the u.s there are lines of specific products. Looking for the Mx version, and info on it

longlegsinlapaz - 2-14-2010 at 11:36 AM

volcano, did you see this thread?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=43899

classicbajabronco - 5-23-2010 at 07:54 PM

the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern (PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat

gnukid - 5-23-2010 at 09:11 PM

Its called a mano de pulido where I come from I think, which is a fine coat of cement sometimes we use piso sobre piso mixed with sand and sometimes regular cement and color.

monoloco - 5-24-2010 at 07:28 AM

Pulido will only adhere to fresh concrete.

Mexitron - 5-24-2010 at 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern (PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat


If you go with making it from scratch ad a gallon of acrylic admix per load (adds plasticity and adherence). Make sure the existing slab is moist and put a heavy coat of concrete glue down to also aid in making the new layer stick.

volcano--the product you are looking for is called a concrete overlay but I have no idea about where in Mex to find it.

wessongroup - 5-24-2010 at 08:06 AM

Have seen some really beautiful work done with cement and the working with coloants to add subtle effects to the overall project... some real art work...

thanks for all the good information... :):)

cement floor overlay

volcano - 5-25-2010 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
Quote:
Originally posted by classicbajabronco
the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern (PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat


If you go with making it from scratch ad a gallon of acrylic admix per load (adds plasticity and adherence). Make sure the existing slab is moist and put a heavy coat of concrete glue down to also aid in making the new layer stick.

volcano--the product you are looking for is called a concrete overlay but I have no idea about where in Mex to find it.


Thanks for recent answers to my question ...the rough cement is a couple years old, I will be doing the overlay myself, in wheelbarrow batches, and am female. ya, I know, not a good scenario, but such are the finances. If there were a ready-mix bag it would probably come out better than otherwise..so if there is a product...or anyone can suugest exact mix.it would be helpful. Will use glue and acrylic admix as suggested otherwise. Will stain rather than add color.

cement floor microtopping

volcano - 11-20-2010 at 08:21 AM

o.k. bringing down a microcoating called "Skimcoat" to do the main floor finish with. It comes out looking sandstone like...with choice of colors. Hopefully a decent diy material. Will be working the month of Feb on this, ext paint, and some int tile. Halfway out on the eastcape road. Thanks for all the sound advice..will be using bits and pieces of it.

monoloco - 11-21-2010 at 10:44 AM

They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile.

piso sobre piso

volcano - 11-22-2010 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile.


have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat.

wessongroup - 11-22-2010 at 08:50 AM

volcano, sure hope you have taken pictures.. would really like to see how it comes out... you must be making progress...

year before last I painted my bed room... it took me three months..

felt really bad about how long it took, in my day.. it would have been a few hours at best... but, old age and the rest have me down to not being able to do anything... that was until I went in for my 6 month check up, and my Doctor who is healthy told me it took him 6 months to paint one bathroom... he is about 42 :lol::lol: I'm coming up on 70

[Edited on 11-22-2010 by wessongroup]

volcano - 11-22-2010 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
volcano, sure hope you have taken pictures.. would really like to see how it comes out... you must be making progress...

year before last I painted my bed room... it took me three months..

felt really bad about how long it took, in my day.. it would have been a few hours at best... but, old age and the rest have me down to not being able to do anything... that was until I went in for my 6 month check up, and my Doctor who is healthy told me it took him 6 months to paint one bathroom... he is about 42 :lol::lol: I'm coming up on 70

I haven't been there since I've been asking info on floor finish, and am going in Feb for a month to do the floor finish and paint exterior stucco ...will take pictures.

If anyone has experience using just piso sobre piso, please advise, before I purchase the Skimstone product to ship down. Hiring a local cement expert, and mixing huge amounts involving sand and cement mixtures are not an option for me, but mixing other products to trowel on thin coats is.
Ya, I know.....it's not any $200,000 home, anyway!

[Edited on 11-22-2010 by wessongroup]

monoloco - 11-23-2010 at 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by volcano
Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile.


have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat.
I have seen it used as a top coat, it seemed to stick well.

volcano - 11-24-2010 at 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by monoloco
Quote:
Originally posted by volcano
Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile.


have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat.
I have seen it used as a top coat, it seemed to stick well.


thank you crazy one...I'm thinking I will try using piso sobre piso like the skim stone product, and try creating the same effect.....the products all seem to have the same basic ingredients.....it would be alot less $$$ than shipping these expensive products down.

gnukid - 11-24-2010 at 08:11 AM

As noted above, super clean, wet surface with a fresh coat of adhesive, that material you paint on like milk first, I forgot what it is called but it sold along with cement and piso sobre piso.

Most Mexican contractors I spoke to don't recommend using this method, but if you do, use those modern additives. It will stick short term but it's longevity is related to the weight of traffic, if you use it in a garage it will more likely fail due to the weight of vehicles.

Consider the cost of new pour done right, it's often very reasonable but you need pros to get a beautiful finish.

akmaxx - 11-24-2010 at 08:36 AM

The milky stuff is pegamento (glue) and the concrete should be chipped and prepped with Acido Muratico first, followed by a thorough washing then application of the glue.

I just did my old concrete patio with a thin coat of cemento gris for patios (143 pesos a bag) and used sand instead of the rec. gravel so it could be applied at under an inch thick.

The finished surface is now walkable in bare feet but I am already seeing cracks in less than two weeks. That is a result of the thin application and not keeping the surface damp throughout the drying. All in all I am happy with the new surface, but I don't think it is going to last very long and I will be back to chipping and sweeping up the floor in a year or two. I should have spent the extra couple of hundred and had the floor taken out and replaced for a permanent fix, but live and learn.


Good luck,