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cement floor veneer
What is the product called....in Baja, not u.s......... for finishing a rough (long cured) cement floor with a fine top coat of cement veneer by
squeegy method?
Anyone have personal experience with this?
Just mix with water?
what sort of coverage and price per bag? thanks...raining cats and dogs here in S. Oregon
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not certain exactly what you are looking for, but we've had good experience recently with Ames roofing products on our flat concrete roof in bcs.
They also have concrete sealers and decorative concrete floor coatings that might suit your needs. They are also located in Oregon see links below...
http://amesresearch.com/liquid-granite.htm
http://amesresearch.com/floorcoating.htm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by submarine_dbk
not certain exactly what you are looking for, but we've had good experience recently with Ames roofing products on our flat concrete roof in bcs.
They also have concrete sealers and decorative concrete floor coatings that might suit your needs. They are also located in Oregon see links below...
http://amesresearch.com/liquid-granite.htm
http://amesresearch.com/floorcoating.htm |
It isn't a sealer type product, but a micro topping of cement....meant as a fine cement floor finish, or to refresh dinged up cement.....can be as
thin as 1/4 inch squeegied on or thicker and self leveling. In the u.s there are lines of specific products. Looking for the Mx version, and info on
it
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volcano, did you see this thread?
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=43899
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the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern
(PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat
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Its called a mano de pulido where I come from I think, which is a fine coat of cement sometimes we use piso sobre piso mixed with sand and sometimes
regular cement and color.
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Pulido will only adhere to fresh concrete.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by classicbajabronco
the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern
(PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat |
If you go with making it from scratch ad a gallon of acrylic admix per load (adds plasticity and adherence). Make sure the existing slab is moist and
put a heavy coat of concrete glue down to also aid in making the new layer stick.
volcano--the product you are looking for is called a concrete overlay but I have no idea about where in Mex to find it.
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Have seen some really beautiful work done with cement and the working with coloants to add subtle effects to the overall project... some real art
work...
thanks for all the good information... 
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cement floor overlay
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
| Quote: | Originally posted by classicbajabronco
the locals just mix fine sand, cement and water and top off the old concrete. This is the same mix as how you would use to seal a water cistern
(PILA). Hire a good local maestro and he'll take care of you.
SiKa also makes a self leveling concrete top coat |
If you go with making it from scratch ad a gallon of acrylic admix per load (adds plasticity and adherence). Make sure the existing slab is moist and
put a heavy coat of concrete glue down to also aid in making the new layer stick.
volcano--the product you are looking for is called a concrete overlay but I have no idea about where in Mex to find it. |
Thanks for recent answers to my question ...the rough cement is a couple years old, I will be doing the overlay myself, in wheelbarrow batches, and am
female. ya, I know, not a good scenario, but such are the finances. If there were a ready-mix bag it would probably come out better than
otherwise..so if there is a product...or anyone can suugest exact mix.it would be helpful. Will use glue and acrylic admix as suggested otherwise.
Will stain rather than add color.
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cement floor microtopping
o.k. bringing down a microcoating called "Skimcoat" to do the main floor finish with. It comes out looking sandstone like...with choice of colors.
Hopefully a decent diy material. Will be working the month of Feb on this, ext paint, and some int tile. Halfway out on the eastcape road. Thanks for
all the sound advice..will be using bits and pieces of it.
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They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile.
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piso sobre piso
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile. |
have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat.
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volcano, sure hope you have taken pictures.. would really like to see how it comes out... you must be making progress...
year before last I painted my bed room... it took me three months..
felt really bad about how long it took, in my day.. it would have been a few hours at best... but, old age and the rest have me down to not being able
to do anything... that was until I went in for my 6 month check up, and my Doctor who is healthy told me it took him 6 months to paint one bathroom...
he is about 42  I'm coming up on 70
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
volcano, sure hope you have taken pictures.. would really like to see how it comes out... you must be making progress...
year before last I painted my bed room... it took me three months..
felt really bad about how long it took, in my day.. it would have been a few hours at best... but, old age and the rest have me down to not being able
to do anything... that was until I went in for my 6 month check up, and my Doctor who is healthy told me it took him 6 months to paint one bathroom...
he is about 42 :lol::lol: I'm coming up on 70
I haven't been there since I've been asking info on floor finish, and am going in Feb for a month to do the floor finish and paint exterior stucco
...will take pictures.
If anyone has experience using just piso sobre piso, please advise, before I purchase the Skimstone product to ship down. Hiring a local cement
expert, and mixing huge amounts involving sand and cement mixtures are not an option for me, but mixing other products to trowel on thin coats is.
Ya, I know.....it's not any $200,000 home, anyway!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by volcano
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile. |
have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat. |
I have seen it used as a top
coat, it seemed to stick well.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by volcano
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
They sell a product here called Piso Sobre Piso that will adhere to cured concrete, or tile. |
have you used or seen it used as the top coat for a cement floor?
Someone previously answered me regarding using it in a mix for a top coat. |
I have seen it used as a top
coat, it seemed to stick well. |
thank you crazy one...I'm thinking I will try using piso sobre piso like the skim stone product, and try creating the same effect.....the products all
seem to have the same basic ingredients.....it would be alot less $$$ than shipping these expensive products down.
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As noted above, super clean, wet surface with a fresh coat of adhesive, that material you paint on like milk first, I forgot what it is called but it
sold along with cement and piso sobre piso.
Most Mexican contractors I spoke to don't recommend using this method, but if you do, use those modern additives. It will stick short term but it's
longevity is related to the weight of traffic, if you use it in a garage it will more likely fail due to the weight of vehicles.
Consider the cost of new pour done right, it's often very reasonable but you need pros to get a beautiful finish.
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The milky stuff is pegamento (glue) and the concrete should be chipped and prepped with Acido Muratico first, followed by a thorough washing then
application of the glue.
I just did my old concrete patio with a thin coat of cemento gris for patios (143 pesos a bag) and used sand instead of the rec. gravel so it could be
applied at under an inch thick.
The finished surface is now walkable in bare feet but I am already seeing cracks in less than two weeks. That is a result of the thin application and
not keeping the surface damp throughout the drying. All in all I am happy with the new surface, but I don't think it is going to last very long and I
will be back to chipping and sweeping up the floor in a year or two. I should have spent the extra couple of hundred and had the floor taken out and
replaced for a permanent fix, but live and learn.
Good luck,
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