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Missing Teenager - NEED HELP

Curt63 - 2-28-2010 at 09:48 AM

17 year old Chelsea King is missing from San Diego county since Thurs.

I'm asking Nomads to print up some pictures and make a missing child poster (there should be one online soon) and ask your local Pemex gas stations(all through Baja) if you can post these pictures up at every pump.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/massive-effor...

http://ow.ly/1bLxz

http://findchelsea.com/

I have 3 teenage daughters and I teach at the high school where Amber Dubois attended and we need to rally!

rts551 - 2-28-2010 at 09:52 AM

Curt

will do. I sure hope this turns out wel.

rts551 - 2-28-2010 at 09:56 AM

here is the link to A bi-lingual poster

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8903/spanishcorrect.jpg

Woooosh - 2-28-2010 at 09:13 PM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-...

BooJumMan - 3-1-2010 at 08:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-...


I shake with anger and disgust thinking that there are animals like this who live among us.

arrowhead - 3-1-2010 at 10:52 AM

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An article of clothing led investigators to arrest a registered sex offender in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, according to law enforcement officers.

John Albert Gardner, 30, of Lake Elsinore was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m. Sunday.


It appears that nothing good ever came out of Lake Elsinore.
:rolleyes:

Body found at Lake Hodges

bajaguy - 3-2-2010 at 05:00 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/reports-body-...

Bajahowodd - 3-2-2010 at 05:07 PM

This incredibly distressing news. The young woman involved in the story appeared to be gifted and had a wonderful life ahead. I hope that this body is not hers, yet also mourn for the family of whoever this victim may be. That said, I also wish to go on record as being just a tad bemused that it seems when anyone disappears in SOCAL, everyone instantaneously points to Mexico.

toneart - 3-2-2010 at 05:20 PM

Has there been any speculation that she may have been abducted into Mexico?
If they have a strong suspect in custody in San Diego, I would think that Mexico isn't a consideration. Of course, we don't know the details of the case.

I certainly hope that she reemerges, alive!

DENNIS - 3-2-2010 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by toneart
I certainly hope that she reemerges, alive!


No. They're saying it's her remains. RIP

toneart - 3-2-2010 at 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
I certainly hope that she reemerges, alive!


No. They're saying it's her remains. RIP


Oh no! That is terrible. I am so sorry for her family and friends. And I am sorry, as a human being, to have to share the planet with such evil scum as the perpetrator.

David K - 3-2-2010 at 05:43 PM

Vaya con Dios, Chelsea...

desertcpl - 3-2-2010 at 06:04 PM

no words can discribe this horrible act,,,

I really wish that the legal system some day,, would not let monsters like this walk our streets,, I say hell with there legal rights,,

David K - 3-2-2010 at 06:14 PM

The bastard assulted a 13 year old, pleaded guilty, the sentence was to be 11 years, reduced to just 6, he got out after just 5, and he was back just blocks from the girl he attacked then... all over the local TV news right now.

Some legal system we have here in USA...

desertcpl - 3-2-2010 at 06:42 PM

makes me sick,, I am the father of 2 daughters.. and I lost several years ago a son,, I know first hand what the family is going thru. but my sons passing was not like this,
he didnt die at the hands of a monster.
I am so sorry that the family is going thru this

josie - 3-2-2010 at 08:20 PM

Absolutely devastating news for her family and friends. I cannot even put my feelings into words. RIP Chelsea.

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-2-2010 at 08:48 PM

This is such a tragedy. Rest in Peace with God Chelsea!

Skipjack Joe - 3-3-2010 at 12:18 AM

They should never have let that man out of jail. Why can't we seem to learn that lesson about sex offenders? Every time this happens there is a previous record and often even previous murders. Laws need to be changed!

Curt63 - 3-3-2010 at 10:41 AM

Thanks for the support Nomads! It seems closed now. No need for any posters now. If you put any up, please be so kind as to remove them.

My prayers are with the family and community

JESSE - 3-3-2010 at 10:46 AM

Damn, thats sad news, they should send the culprit to Teo's people so they can deal with him the way he deserves.

Dave - 3-3-2010 at 10:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
The bastard assulted a 13 year old, pleaded guilty, the sentence was to be 11 years, reduced to just 6, he got out after just 5, and he was back just blocks from the girl he attacked then... all over the local TV news right now.

Some legal system we have here in USA...


"In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after a 13-year-old neighbor girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts. He was sentenced to six years in prison and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Court records show that the psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner in that case said the man’s callous attitude and lack of remorse made him “an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

“It is my opinion that (the defendant) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying."



Laws are written by our elected representatives. We have only ourselves to blame.

David K - 3-3-2010 at 11:00 AM

I vote for people that belive the victims have rights, and animals like Gardner (and the 9-11 terrorists) shouldn't have them ...

Those of you who vote make sure that those you pick don't give the criminals more rights than the victims!

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by David K
I vote for people that belive the victims have rights, and animals like Gardner (and the 9-11 terrorists) shouldn't have them ...



Honoring a person's rights is not honoring the person. Take away a person's rights and you turn into an animal as repulsive as the offender.
The scum has rights and, in spite of that, he'll get his.
We are not a lynch-mob.

David K - 3-3-2010 at 11:28 AM

No, we aren't... but they put him in isolation because even other criminals have little tollerance for child rapists and killers... and he wouldn't last long.

His 'rights' allowed him to attack a young girl (again) and murder her...

DianaT - 3-3-2010 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by David K
(and the 9-11 terrorists) shouldn't have them ...


A shame you had to add that when it is COMPLETELY not related to this tragic story. Not unexpected, however.
:no::no:

A really sad time for the parents, so very sad. And it is a shame the creep was let loose.

As parents please keep an eye on the National Sex Offender Register----know your neighbors. It certainly cannot stop this from ever happening, but it is a tool.

Perhaps the easiest way to take care of someone like this creep is to turn him loose on the general population yard in a prison and be sure the inmates know his crime-----but, that is a lynch mob mentality and I really do not approve of such things.

I agree with Dennis and his comments about rights and who one becomes when the rights are taken away.







[Edited on 3-3-2010 by DianaT]

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 11:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
His 'rights' allowed him to attack a young girl (again) and murder her...


That is absurd.

k-rico - 3-3-2010 at 11:32 AM

"Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying."

The big mistake here was made by the DA who OKed the plea bargain. That's how they got him to change his plea from innocent to guilty and thereby eliminate the need for a trial. The DA was told this guy was dangerous and they originally wanted to put him away for 30 years.

Those of you using the victim vs. criminal rights BS argument are not only absolutely wrong in this case but you are also missing the real cause of this tragedy and therefore hurting the possibility that it will be fixed.

The DA in the original case did not perform his duty to prosecute this guy in a manner that fit the crime.

[Edited on 3-3-2010 by k-rico]

DianaT - 3-3-2010 at 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico
"Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying."

The big mistake here was made by the DA who OKed the plea bargain. That's how they got him to change his plea from innocent to guilty and thereby eliminate the need for a trial. Ther DA was told this guy was dangerous and they originally wanted to put him away for 30 years.

Those of you using the victim vs. criminal rights BS argument are not only absolutely wrong in this case but you are also missing the real cause of this tragedy and therefore hurting the possibility that it will be fixed.

The DA in the original case did not perform his duty to prosecute this guy in a manner that fit the crime.


If the prison system was not so crowded, perhaps the prosecutions would be better in cases like this. And there is a quick way to fix the overcrowding problems, but that is a different topic that has been beat to death around here.

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT
And there is a quick way to fix the overcrowding problems,



Arm the prisoners? That should thin it out in no time. :lol:

k-rico - 3-3-2010 at 11:42 AM

The reason given for the original plea bargain is they did not want to put the 13 year old victim through the rigors of testifying. Understandable concern but, as it turned out, a concern too small to justifyably act upon.

[Edited on 3-3-2010 by k-rico]

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 11:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by k-rico
The reason given for the original plea bargain is they did not want to put the 13 year old victim through the rigors of testifying. Understandable concern but, as it turned out, a concern too small to act upon.



The system sucks. How long has it been since it's been scrutinized for reform? Not just this aspect of the system...the whole thing.

k-rico - 3-3-2010 at 11:50 AM

I wonder if the judge in the original case could have rejected the plea bargain or if judges have to accept what the prosecuters decide?

Also wonder if the DA in the original case had solid evidence. Maybe they thought there was a good chance the guy could walk if they went to trial.

Plea bargaining is a tricky business.

DianaT - 3-3-2010 at 11:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by DianaT
And there is a quick way to fix the overcrowding problems,



Arm the prisoners? That should thin it out in no time. :lol:


:lol::lol::lol:

Reform the system? Having worked in the system---well, anything that does work does not stick around the system long----the system is more interested in job security---another story.

But, no one has ever found any effective reform for sociopaths and sex offenders---sometimes one in the same.

Donjulio - 3-3-2010 at 12:11 PM

Interesting discussion for a Baja forum.

nanachel - 3-3-2010 at 12:22 PM

I like the way Jessie thinks, this guy shouldn't be allowed to breathe the air. Let out early?? Registered or not this guy shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets. I agree with Diane T. what ever works, doesn't stick around, doesn't suit the bigger picture of Shock & Awe

Bajahowodd - 3-3-2010 at 01:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
The bastard assulted a 13 year old, pleaded guilty, the sentence was to be 11 years, reduced to just 6, he got out after just 5, and he was back just blocks from the girl he attacked then... all over the local TV news right now.

Some legal system we have here in USA...


"In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after a 13-year-old neighbor girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts. He was sentenced to six years in prison and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Court records show that the psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner in that case said the man’s callous attitude and lack of remorse made him “an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

“It is my opinion that (the defendant) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying."



Laws are written by our elected representatives. We have only ourselves to blame.


OK. I admit that I have not researched the earlier case. And I also feel the palpable anger and frustration being voiced by the posters on this thread. But, as everyone trashes our legal/ judicial system, I was just wondering if the plea bargain may have been influenced by significant input by the victim and her parents. Having to testify in such matters as victim can be emotionally devastating. It's one thing to submit that the DA made the decision on the plea for their own reasons, but, if there had been forceful input from the victim and her parents, I'd have to lighten up on the DA.

comitan - 3-3-2010 at 01:29 PM

eunuch

bajabass - 3-3-2010 at 01:40 PM

I know what you mean, but along the same lines, castration is a viable option in my book!

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by bajabass
I know what you mean, but along the same lines, castration is a viable option in my book!



Won't stop murder.

comitan - 3-3-2010 at 01:58 PM

Dennis the mans Sex drive got him into the position that he thought murder was the only way out.

DENNIS - 3-3-2010 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
Dennis the mans Sex drive got him into the position that he thought murder was the only way out.


Wiley....We will never know what drove this man to do what he did. He is a completely twisted individual and his sex drive is only a part of it.

arrowhead - 3-3-2010 at 02:07 PM

Howard hit the key issue. The plea bargain was for a specific period, and if the judge did not agree, then the defense was going to go to trial. It is the job of the defense lawyer to tear apart the testimony of that 13-year old on the stand, make her relive it detail by detail, challenge every thing she said. It would not be pretty, and the prosecution had to weigh whether she would fold up on the stand and they would lose the entire case. That would set him free.

I don't think the decision they made to plea bargain was done lightly.

Skipjack Joe - 3-3-2010 at 02:27 PM

Actually comitan's castration solution makes sense to me. Perhaps not physical castration - just require him to show up monthly somewhere to take the hormone shot that drops his testerone level to 0 and that should do it.

My other thought was that I thought they now have implants that sex offenders are required to have that allow them to be monitored 24 hours a day. I don't know how cost effective such a monitoring system is.

Both of these suggestions are less expensive than paying for the costs of this man's life sentence.

Then there's the straightforward solution - death. But you need soemthing before it gets to that stage. By then there's a string of murders already.

I agree with Diane - it's not a political issue or solution.

SiReNiTa - 3-3-2010 at 02:51 PM

As a young woman myself I can only begin to imagine the horrors that this girl went through and I pray that I never have to go through anything like it, or any other girls or boys for that matter. It's a shame that such people exist and have such twisted minds as to take the gift of life so lightly and be willing to take that gift from someone. It rips my heart open to even think of what the parents must be going through. I am not one to support violence but in these cases it enrages me that such lively human beings are being deprived of years and years of love and happiness just because of a few scum bags have their minds so twisted that they don't seem to understand such things as love, family, friends, respect, faith, etc. or maybe they do, in their own twisted crazy sort of way...My prayers go out to Chelsea's spirit that will go on living in each of us for ever.

bajabass - 3-3-2010 at 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by SiReNiTa
As a young woman myself I can only begin to imagine the horrors that this girl went through and I pray that I never have to go through anything like it, or any other girls or boys for that matter. It's a shame that such people exist and have such twisted minds as to take the gift of life so lightly and be willing to take that gift from someone. It rips my heart open to even think of what the parents must be going through. I am not one to support violence but in these cases it enrages me that such lively human beings are being deprived of years and years of love and happiness just because of a few scum bags have their minds so twisted that they don't seem to understand such things as love, family, friends, respect, faith, etc. or maybe they do, in their own twisted crazy sort of way...My prayers go out to Chelsea's spirit that will go on living in each of us for ever.
From the mouths of babes! I have 4 sisters and eight nieces. I pray none of them ever have to deal with rape or murder. If they do, I would hunt down and kill the animal like the rabid vermin he is. Then smile as I went to jail. I truly hope her family can get through this, they will never get over it. God bless her soul, and send the bastard that did this straight to hell!

BooJumMan - 3-3-2010 at 07:24 PM

I think castration would be a great thing to do to rapists. I think the sex gets them into the trouble in the first place, and then they freak out and kill them thinking they'll get away with it. Crazy bastards don't deserve to live in society anyways... they obviously aren't mentally fit for it.

jodiego - 3-3-2010 at 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by BooJumMan
I think castration would be a great thing to do to rapists. I think the sex gets them into the trouble in the first place, and then they freak out and kill them thinking they'll get away with it. Crazy bastards don't deserve to live in society anyways... they obviously aren't mentally fit for it.


Castration is too good for these monsters. Let them rot in jail and get it in the ass every day of their rotten lives.

jodiego - 3-3-2010 at 07:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jodiego
Quote:
Originally posted by BooJumMan
I think castration would be a great thing to do to rapists. I think the sex gets them into the trouble in the first place, and then they freak out and kill them thinking they'll get away with it. Crazy bastards don't deserve to live in society anyways... they obviously aren't mentally fit for it.


Castration is too good for these monsters. Let them rot in jail and get it in the burro every day of their rotten lives.


What a kick. The internet word for ***** is burro. Love it! That is so baja!

[Edited on 3-4-2010 by jodiego]

[Edited on 3-4-2010 by BajaNomad]

durrelllrobert - 3-4-2010 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajabass
I know what you mean, but along the same lines, castration is a viable option in my book!

There is a Statuate on th CA books that allows for chemical castration of sex offenders at the judges descretion but I don't think it has ever been used. Besides, rape is more about commiting violence then penile insertion so castration may not really reduce these crimes.:mad::mad:

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
The bastard assulted a 13 year old, pleaded guilty, the sentence was to be 11 years, reduced to just 6, he got out after just 5, and he was back just blocks from the girl he attacked then... all over the local TV news right now.

Some legal system we have here in USA...


"In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after a 13-year-old neighbor girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts. He was sentenced to six years in prison and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Court records show that the psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner in that case said the man’s callous attitude and lack of remorse made him “an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

“It is my opinion that (the defendant) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying."



Laws are written by our elected representatives. We have only ourselves to blame.


OK. I admit that I have not researched the earlier case. And I also feel the palpable anger and frustration being voiced by the posters on this thread. But, as everyone trashes our legal/ judicial system, I was just wondering if the plea bargain may have been influenced by significant input by the victim and her parents. Having to testify in such matters as victim can be emotionally devastating. It's one thing to submit that the DA made the decision on the plea for their own reasons, but, if there had been forceful input from the victim and her parents, I'd have to lighten up on the DA.

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 06:19 PM

and yes I agree that is a possibility, that they did not want to put the 13 year old thru a trial...that is what is wrong in these cases,, they should not go thru a trail,, they are only children. this happens to many times,, we need to change how this is handled in the legal system,,

DENNIS - 3-4-2010 at 06:23 PM

Whathe***isthis...Nobody can get the ***ing quote box right and everybody has to decipher what the *** people are trying to say?

Cutting people's balls off ain't effing Baja so why don't you nutless Nomads get back on track and quit this stuff.
You must have something better to talk about.
Geeeesuscristo....Sometimes you guys embarrass me. :lol:

k-rico - 3-4-2010 at 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Whathe***isthis...Nobody can get the ***ing quote box right and everybody has to decipher what the *** people are trying to say?

Cutting people's balls off ain't effing Baja so why don't you nutless Nomads get back on track and quit this stuff.
You must have something better to talk about.
Geeeesuscristo....Sometimes you guys embarrass me. :lol:


having a hard time coping these daze?

woooosh can help you out

happy hour at bajanomad's

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 06:31 PM

WOW DENNIS,, some one peeed in your corn flakes this morning,,

[Edited on 3-5-2010 by desertcpl]

DENNIS - 3-4-2010 at 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

woooosh can help you out



I take no advice from those who would endanger my life.

Can you suggest another mentor? I am truely in need of guidance.

k-rico - 3-4-2010 at 06:37 PM

Santo Cerveza is the one you seek. Follow the path to the shrine of OXXO. Behold.

[Edited on 3-5-2010 by k-rico]

DENNIS - 3-4-2010 at 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
WOW DENNIS,, some one peeed in your corn flakes this morning,,



My corn flakes test clean as are all other foodstuffs I put on my table.
Therefore...Screw you and K-Rico and Woooosh and Dave and A-Head and Doug and Maggie and all you other a-holes who didn't wish Shari a happy birthday.
Important things in life happening to important friends have to be attended to. It's our obligation.

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 06:51 PM

first I did wish Shari a Happy BD


and for the rest:P:P:lol::lol:

DENNIS - 3-4-2010 at 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by desertcpl
first I did wish Shari a Happy BD





I'll have my people check. Your future in my future post-Sharky's evaluations will depend on their report. :lol:

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 06:57 PM

well Dennis ,, I must say your a hoot,, you are fun

ken/jane

DENNIS - 3-4-2010 at 06:59 PM

Thanks. That was nice.

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 07:00 PM

your welcome

desertcpl - 3-4-2010 at 07:07 PM

Chelsea parents are now on CNN