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Where are the "most honest" Pemex stations?

Gaucho - 3-16-2010 at 09:50 PM

I'm heading to San Ignacio and Mulege in a few weeks w/ the family.

Can anybody tell me where the "most honest" Pemex stations are around El Rosario and GN? I'm pretty sure DK touched on this in an earlier thread but I can't find it. How's the station in Jesus Maria? Any recommendations would be appreciated!

elgatoloco - 3-16-2010 at 09:57 PM

Use pesos. Avoid station in Santa Rosalia. Check that pump is zeroed. Drive safe. Have a nice trip.

DENNIS - 3-16-2010 at 09:57 PM

You have got to be kidding.

Gaucho - 3-16-2010 at 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You have got to be kidding.


I know, but some are worse than others :smug:

Gaucho - 3-16-2010 at 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by elgatoloco
Use pesos. Avoid station in Santa Rosalia. Check that pump is zeroed. Drive safe. Have a nice trip.


Thanks

DENNIS - 3-16-2010 at 10:21 PM

OK....The most honest PEMEX station is [consumer report says] in Stuggart, Germany.

It's on the map.

Gaucho - 3-16-2010 at 10:24 PM

Ahhhhh, the mainland...I should have known!

DENNIS - 3-16-2010 at 10:29 PM

You're a fast study.

Have a great trip, Gaucho.

Debra - 3-16-2010 at 10:30 PM

Stop in El Rosario at the Pemex for gas......................Also, If you need a stop for the night, stay there also, Baja Cactus Motel, secure, beautiful rooms and a value!.......Don't tell anyone else though, I get tired of it being full when I need it. :lol:

Russ - 3-17-2010 at 06:16 AM

There is one station in Santa Rosalia that is "mostly honest". The one by the harbor on the water side of the hwy.

bajabass - 3-17-2010 at 06:37 AM

The one on the other side of the road, a little south, is a rip-off for sure. They got me my first trip south, and I've heard here and elsewhere it has not changed.

Bob and Susan - 3-17-2010 at 06:47 AM

i like the "girl server" one in san quintin too...
2 stations before you leave to the south
bathrooms ok

of course el rosario
the staff there is ALWAYS very professional

villa jesus maria just north of guerrero negro is ok too
instant coffee in the morning

i like the new viscanino (sp) station south of town
newer...no one ever there

the santa rosalia one that russ mentioned is ok
professional

the mulege one on the highway is honest...
i saw them "tested" last year and they passed:O
the "boys" dont try to cheat either

rts551 - 3-17-2010 at 07:43 AM

I posted a while back about the "new" Vizcaino station. Its empty for a reason.

Its the only station for many miles that has premium (which we use in the race bikes). when I ask for 18 litres in the fuel jug I always get about 15=16 litres. When challenged they just shrug their shoulders and say they can pour it back into the underground container. I even too pictures and sent them to PEMEX but never got a response

Fast service if you don't mind getting shorted and the take credit cards too!

BOLARNR - 3-17-2010 at 07:51 AM

I like the new station @ dos Pinos on the way down and either new station just before San Quintin on the way up. The newer stations would seem to have less contamination problems than the old one's. Look for the Cert sign @ the top of the Pemex sign. Good exchange rates also. Just do the math. Just my opinion I could be wrong! :spingrin:

larryC - 3-17-2010 at 07:59 AM

Bolarnr
I give, what is "pburroin time" in your "mood"

durangotang - 3-17-2010 at 08:17 AM

Hmmm... I Pemex'd with reckless abandon when I was down there. All the pumps were zeroed and everybody was cool... no hints of Pemex shadiness:biggrin:

redmesa - 3-17-2010 at 08:38 AM

We avoid the Viscaino pemex south of town. It is a little sketchy. We may have been ripped off there. Too bad, I sure liked the idea of a clean toilet.

DianaT - 3-17-2010 at 09:21 AM

Just be careful to always check your change. On the way home last time at a station with a good reputation, we were short-changed. When we confronted them and said that maybe we should find the owner, one attendant said the attendant with the change problem was crazy. The one who short changed us quickly said it was a mistake, that he confused us with the lady with whom we were speaking. He pleaded with us not to contact the owner.

We decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and not contact the owner. Maybe he did make an honest mistake, it does happen, but do count your change everywhere. And it was the first time this has happened to us in years---last time was many years ago in Nogalas.

Even with the sometimes not so clean bathrooms, we also prefer the station at the north end of Vizcaino. Except one of our favorite window washers died last year. Sad as he was a really nice guy who loved to tease our one dog---tease in a good way. Do take your own toliet paper into the bathroom and at times, close your eyes.

Since usually do not need to stop in Jesus Maria, we seldom do. Curious if the bathrooms are any better these days???


[Edited on 3-17-2010 by DianaT]

elgatoloco - 3-17-2010 at 10:27 AM

I have a habit of pulling up to the pump and asking the attendent to put in 400 pesos or 300 pesos or whatever I feel will get me close to full then when he/she finishes just hand the bills over along with some propina ( I ALWAYS tip big everywhere in Baja) and a muchas gracias adios amigo hasta la vista, baby. I'm just saying.

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2010 at 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gaucho
I'm heading to San Ignacio and Mulege in a few weeks w/ the family.

Can anybody tell me where the "most honest" Pemex stations are around El Rosario and GN? I'm pretty sure DK touched on this in an earlier thread but I can't find it. How's the station in Jesus Maria? Any recommendations would be appreciated!


don't worry about choosing stations. just keep your eyes open, make sure they zero the pump before pumping, and makes sure you don't get short changed when money changes hands. use pesos, not dollars. tip the window washers.
don't worry, be happy.
yes we can!

Bajahowodd - 3-17-2010 at 12:46 PM

There have been plenty of posts over the years about Pemex stations to avoid. A couple of them were mentioned above. I can add that last year in Guerrero Negro, I was warned by the desk clerk at Caracoles to avoid the Pemex in town. It only came up because we were headed to the bank, which is past that Pemex. He recommended the North station in Vizcaino, assuming I had enough in the tank to make it there. However, since there is a new station right across from Caracoles, going into town is not necessary.

monoloco - 3-17-2010 at 12:49 PM

It's pretty hard to always choose the good ones when traveling but if you are staying for a while or living in a place it makes a big difference to always fill up at a station with honest pumps. Around here the difference between the honest station and the other two is about 10%. That can really add up over time.

David K - 3-17-2010 at 04:53 PM

150-220 miles between, starting at border:

1) El Roasrio

2) Villa Jesus Maria

3) Santa Rosalia, east side, next to harbor.

absinvestor - 3-17-2010 at 05:28 PM

I think employees change frequently so what may be "a best Pemex" today might be a problem tomorrow. What worked for us is we used a locking gas cap (which prevented the attendant from starting to pump before we were ready to watch the pump being zero'd) and we, like the others, always paid in pesos and always estimated what we needed and asked for a certain number of pesos. For example, we drive a larger motorhome that gets between 8 and 9mpg. If we drove 400 miles we would figure 50 gallons x 3.79 (litres/gal) or 189.5 litres x 7.65 (price per liters) which would equate to 1500 pesos. We would tell them we wanted 1300 pesos worth. By getting less than a full fill up we never had to worry about change. Obviously in a smaller vehicle we wouldn't get 200 pesos less but maybe 50 pesos less etc. We watched the pump to insure that we got our 1300 pesos worth. Have a great trip. Ron

fandango - 3-17-2010 at 06:09 PM

for those who tip the attendant, what amount do you tip? in pesos.

DENNIS - 3-17-2010 at 06:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fandango
for those who tip the attendant, what amount do you tip? in pesos.



I give him ten Ps if he washes my window. No service, no tip. Pumping gas isn't service in my opinion.

rts551 - 3-17-2010 at 06:49 PM

Don't want to burst your bubble but the biggest problem is not zeroing the pump or giving change. The biggest problem is inaccurate pumps. lets say you payed for 190 litres... but were shorted by 5 percent. almost 3 gallons short

As I stated earlier, I can prove the premium pumps were and are off by more than 5% at a station in BCS. add it up. wrong change is short change. 5-10% at the pump is big change



Quote:
Originally posted by absinvestor
I think employees change frequently so what may be "a best Pemex" today might be a problem tomorrow. What worked for us is we used a locking gas cap (which prevented the attendant from starting to pump before we were ready to watch the pump being zero'd) and we, like the others, always paid in pesos and always estimated what we needed and asked for a certain number of pesos. For example, we drive a larger motorhome that gets between 8 and 9mpg. If we drove 400 miles we would figure 50 gallons x 3.79 (litres/gal) or 189.5 litres x 7.65 (price per liters) which would equate to 1500 pesos. We would tell them we wanted 1300 pesos worth. By getting less than a full fill up we never had to worry about change. Obviously in a smaller vehicle we wouldn't get 200 pesos less but maybe 50 pesos less etc. We watched the pump to insure that we got our 1300 pesos worth. Have a great trip. Ron


[Edited on 3-18-2010 by rts551]

El Jefe - 3-17-2010 at 09:54 PM

Hey the guys at the pumps in the old San Jose del Cabo station are so honest they regularly put 22 liters of Magna in my 20 liter can. Now that's service!

Honesty and respect...

BajaCactus - 3-18-2010 at 01:30 AM

Gaucho...

You can have my personal word that you will always receive what you pay for at our BajaCactus Gas Station in El Rosario... no short litters ever!!!... we self check our pumps regularly to verify they are indeed serving correctly.

It is my belief that everyone should be treated with courtesy, honesty and respect... and you all know that keeping employees in the right path is sometimes difficult, so, if anyone is ever mistreated at our Gas Station, please feel free to contact me, at anytime, and I will make my best effort to make things right... that is my promise to all of you my friends!!!... (from BajaCactus you can contact me through our staff at the administrative office, which is on the second floor of the Gas Station or, if after 2:00pm, our staff at the front desk of the BajaCactus Motel has a direct cell line to me 24/7).

Happy travels.

Antonio Munoz
BajaCactus

P.S... Thanks Debra, Bob and Susan!!!...

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Edited on 3-18-2010 by BajaCactus]

garynmx - 3-18-2010 at 05:02 AM

Always order by liters. You can check it that way. Liters x price per liter = Total. If it is off they will adjust the total on the spot.

Alan - 3-18-2010 at 06:15 AM

I guess I am a bit dumbfounded by this question. It seems to be based on an assumption that ALL Pemex stations are dishonest. That certainly has never been something I have ever experienced.

I don't even think not zeroing the meter is even possible anymore as every station I have been to for many years now have been electronic meters that automatically re-set when they are turned on. True, I have no idea of the accuracy of the meters but that isn't something I have ever investigated NOB or SOB.

monoloco - 3-18-2010 at 07:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by El Jefe
Hey the guys at the pumps in the old San Jose del Cabo station are so honest they regularly put 22 liters of Magna in my 20 liter can. Now that's service!
You are getting ripped, here in Pescadero they can get 23.45 liters in a 19 liter can.:lol:

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 08:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alan
I guess I am a bit dumbfounded by this question. It seems to be based on an assumption that ALL Pemex stations are dishonest.


It's a well-earned reputation from the past. Of course, the situation has improved, but some things don't die easily.

Gaucho - 3-18-2010 at 09:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alan
I guess I am a bit dumbfounded by this question. It seems to be based on an assumption that ALL Pemex stations are dishonest. That certainly has never been something I have ever experienced.

I don't even think not zeroing the meter is even possible anymore as every station I have been to for many years now have been electronic meters that automatically re-set when they are turned on. True, I have no idea of the accuracy of the meters but that isn't something I have ever investigated NOB or SOB.


When I first started driving myself to Baja and the mainland 29 years ago I was short changed in all the ways you can short change somebody. Of course now I always pay in pesos and make sure the pump is zeroed out. I have no control over how they calibrate the pumps so I ask the question, "where are the honest Pemex stations?". I'm more concerned w/ the properly calibrated pumps (honest Pemex stations) than anything else. It's a fact that many Pemex stations tweak their pumps in their favor. I speak from experience. Thanks again for everybodys input!

monoloco - 3-18-2010 at 09:41 AM

Pump calibration is the problem, I believe that the dishonest Pemexes are aided by the corruption of PROFECO the agencia responsible for the accuracy of the pumps, The Pemexes couldn't pull it off without their collusion. While I haven't checked all the stations in Baja, I do know that 2 out of 3 here locally have been blatantly ripping off their customers for many years.

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 09:44 AM

Whatever happend to those "CUALLI" designated service stations? They were supposed to have passed the smell test to qualify for the big "You Can Trust Me" sign.

fourninerpapa - 3-18-2010 at 09:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaCactus
Gaucho...

You can have my personal word that you will always receive what you pay for at our BajaCactus Gas Station in El Rosario... no short litters ever!!!... we self check our pumps regularly to verify they are indeed serving correctly.

It is my belief that everyone should be treated with courtesy, honesty and respect...

Gaucho - 3-18-2010 at 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fourninerpapa
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaCactus
Gaucho...

You can have my personal word that you will always receive what you pay for at our BajaCactus Gas Station in El Rosario... no short litters ever!!!... we self check our pumps regularly to verify they are indeed serving correctly.

It is my belief that everyone should be treated with courtesy, honesty and respect...


Yes, I read Antonio's post. Thank you.

fourninerpapa - 3-18-2010 at 10:06 AM

On a recent trip north from Mulege the only for sure honest gas delivery was at BajaCactus in El Rosario. I know for sure I got ripped off at the Pemex on the highway at GN. I average 8 to 8.5 mpg and when I gassed up at GN I got 5.5.
Most of the pumps in BCS have none or outdated PROFECO certification stickers. The only 2010 stickers that I saw were at El Rosario and Ensenada.

tripledigitken - 3-18-2010 at 10:22 AM

I get the worst mileage in both of my rigs while in Mexico. The calibration problem is far from isolated.

Ken

roundtuit - 3-18-2010 at 11:14 AM

Have measured gas from both stations in Mulege for my goat and have found both accurate this year:bounce::bounce::bounce:

one of my mistakes goat = boat:lol::lol::lol:

[Edited on 3-18-2010 by roundtuit]

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2010 at 01:01 PM

that's what i found

but...

you know those red gas containers hold more than
one gallon
or
five
or
six

who goes to the gas station with an EXACT measuring container in liters?????;D;D

LOSARIPES - 3-18-2010 at 01:10 PM

Here is a theory:
The pumps get checked by 20 lts tests performed by PROFECO. When that happens, the pump computer "thinks" it is being tested and self adjusts to give out the correct amount. When on the other hand somebody asks for.. say 200 or 300 pesos, the pumps reverts to the "short liters" version -as programmed-. So... one needs to ask for 20 lts increments. (20,40, 60, etc)
Makes sense?

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2010 at 01:32 PM

hey antonio is this correct or another urban myth?

sounds like this MAY be correct
computers you know...:?::?:

monoloco - 3-18-2010 at 01:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
that's what i found

but...

you know those red gas containers hold more than
one gallon
or
five
or
six

who goes to the gas station with an EXACT measuring container in liters?????;D;D
All you need to do is compare different stations using the same container. If one station puts 23.45 in a 19 liter container that another station can only get 20.1 in you know something is amiss.

Bob and Susan - 3-18-2010 at 01:49 PM

what about when it get HOT!!!

Bajahowodd - 3-18-2010 at 03:58 PM

I would actually like to know why a post of mine was deleted. It did not personally attack anyone. And it actually had additional information that complimented a prior post. That said, I'm guessing that David k has more juice around here than should be allowed.

David K - 3-18-2010 at 04:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I would actually like to know why a post of mine was deleted. It did not personally attack anyone. And it actually had additional information that complimented a prior post. That said, I'm guessing that David k has more juice around here than should be allowed.


What in the world are you talking about?

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 04:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
what about when it get HOT!!!


That's why you buy gas in the morning. :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 3-18-2010 at 04:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I would actually like to know why a post of mine was deleted. It did not personally attack anyone. And it actually had additional information that complimented a prior post. That said, I'm guessing that David k has more juice around here than should be allowed.


What in the world are you talking about?


You know.

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I would actually like to know why a post of mine was deleted.


Well, I just felt like deleting it. It made me feel powerful. You didn't know I was a moderator here, did ya.

Maybe before your time here:......DENNIS FOR MODERATOR

It was a fun thing that that became reality. Hell.....I moderated myself so severly once that I was out of here for three months.

Be careful...I mean it. If I have to moderate you more than I have, I may be out of here forever.

You don't know what I'm talkin' about...do ya.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Bajahowodd - 3-18-2010 at 05:02 PM

It is very difficult to admit being clueless. So, I won't. However, I'm sure there were folks on this board who saw the exchange, and I still would like to know how the exchange got deleted. No attack. No political crap. Poof. Gone. And for good measure, even if i have become legally insane, why do I remember 'the man' saying that Antonio Munoz ran the "THE" most honest Pemex station in the world? Gotta go. Gurney is here. Shock treatment soon.

Well...

Dave - 3-18-2010 at 05:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I would actually like to know why a post of mine was deleted. It did not personally attack anyone. And it actually had additional information that complimented a prior post. That said, I'm guessing that David k has more juice around here than should be allowed.


What in the world are you talking about?


You know.


I don't.

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 05:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I still would like to know how the exchange got deleted.


Why would you effing gawwwdammm care, Howard? It's freakin' meaningless.

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 05:23 PM

Just to add to the meaningless quality of all this stuff....I have over eleven billion posts here and not ONE has had true, important meaning.
All this is here is a place to hear yourself talk. Nobody listens anyway.

If a Post Disappears From Nomad

Gypsy Jan - 3-18-2010 at 05:49 PM

And if there is no one to report it, does it really exist?

(Apologies to the Irish philosopher, George Berkeley for the shameless paraphrasing.)

[Edited on 3-19-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

roundtuit - 3-18-2010 at 05:50 PM

Bob, I took my wifes measure cup and put one gallon water in container. Than bought 19 liters of gas, pour from one can to container than to other gas can five times. So close I couldn't b-tch. My question is does gas use the same amount of space as water does since gas is lighter in weight ???:lol::lol::lol::lol:

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 05:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by roundtuit
Bob, I took my wifes measure cup and put one gallon water in container. Than bought 19 liters of gas, pour from one can to container than to other gas can five times. So close I couldn't b-tch. My question is does gas use the same amount of space as water does since gas is lighter in weight ???:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Depends on ambient heat. That's why I said, buy gas in the morning. It expands with the heat of the day.

Oh, yeah....I'm not Bob. I'm just in the mood to talk. Forgive me.

wilderone - 3-18-2010 at 07:16 PM

Yeah - the newer Vizcaino station - just a tad outside of town going south, seemed pretty expensive when I bought just 1/3 tankful. I thought the prices were all the same, and there was nobody there, so I stopped. I'm glad I didn't buy a whole tank of gas.

Alan - 3-18-2010 at 10:50 PM

Maybe we could petition to bring back the old gravity feed pumps. That way you can see exactly what you are getting:lol:

CaboRon - 3-19-2010 at 08:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You have got to be kidding.


:lol::lol::lol:

David K - 3-19-2010 at 10:23 AM

HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?

I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.

So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...

If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?

I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.

Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down. ;)

Okay, back to Baja stuff!

The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto.

mtgoat666 - 3-19-2010 at 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by roundtuit
Bob, I took my wifes measure cup and put one gallon water in container. Than bought 19 liters of gas, pour from one can to container than to other gas can five times. So close I couldn't b-tch. My question is does gas use the same amount of space as water does since gas is lighter in weight ???:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Depends on ambient heat. That's why I said, buy gas in the morning. It expands with the heat of the day.

Oh, yeah....I'm not Bob. I'm just in the mood to talk. Forgive me.


silly.

the gasoline is typically stored underground or in large above-ground tank -- neither storage mass experiences much temperature change in diurnal cycles. if temp changes significantly, that change likely happens only after it is in your tank.

monoloco - 3-19-2010 at 11:47 AM

Yes, and if there is any change it would only be a fraction of a percent certainly not 2 or 3 liters out of 20.

DENNIS - 3-19-2010 at 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666


typically stored

or in large above-ground tank

experiences much temperature change

if temp changes significantly

that change likely happens


Sounds like you nailed it. I love the language of science. It's so exacting. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

OK...I know. I got your point. I never would care enough to verify my idea with research. It just isn't that important.
In fact, the initial question of this thread was all wrong. It should have been a quest for dishonest gas stations. That would have been a public service for everybody instead of a popularity contest. :light:

My Apology to DK

Bajahowodd - 3-19-2010 at 02:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?

I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.

So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...

If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?

I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.

Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down. ;)

Okay, back to Baja stuff!

The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto.


At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place.:biggrin:

rts551 - 3-19-2010 at 06:08 PM

But Howard. You don't realize what a burden it is for DK... to be the Adult among so many childeren.To be right when so many others are wrong, To correct so many bad spellers..... my goodness it only takes him 7.98 posts per day since 2002 to convince everyone he is the 1. Actually glad I don't have that much time on my hands



Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?

I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.

So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...

If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?

I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.

Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down. ;)

Okay, back to Baja stuff!

The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto.


At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place.:biggrin:

Bob and Susan - 3-20-2010 at 06:42 AM

time to do the math...:light:

gas does change volume with temp change

lets say you buy gas at 40 degrees
later…when it get HOT
lets say 80 degrees

now there is MORE gas in the tank

in this example the change is 40 degrees from the time you put in

the thermal expansion of gas in units of constant/per degree celsius.
the equation is (Volume final)=(Volume initial)*C*delta(T)
T=change in temperature
C=thermal expansion consant.

the constant API factor for gasoline is .00069/degreeF
total temperature change is 40 degrees
30 (gallons) * 40 (temperature change in degrees F) * API factor .00069 = .83 gallons

that’s almost a gallon per tank
and
that changes gas mileage too


http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/upload/B-015.pdf

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2010 at 07:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
time to do the math...:light:

gas does change volume with temp change

lets say you buy gas at 40 degrees
later…when it get HOT
lets say 80 degrees

now there is MORE gas in the tank

in this example the change is 40 degrees from the time you put in

the thermal expansion of gas in units of constant/per degree celsius.
the equation is (Volume final)=(Volume initial)*C*delta(T)
T=change in temperature
C=thermal expansion consant.

the constant API factor for gasoline is .00069/degreeF
total temperature change is 40 degrees
30 (gallons) * 40 (temperature change in degrees F) * API factor .00069 = .83 gallons

that’s almost a gallon per tank
and
that changes gas mileage too


http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/upload/B-015.pdf


BS.

Volume of gasoline changes about 1% for every 15 degrees temperature. That's not enough to worry about.

The storage tanks are buried and insulated by earth. Temp does not change diurnally in storage tank. If anything, the tank probably acts in short term like thermos and preserves temp of fuel at time of delivery from tanker. If you really want to save money, you should buy all your gas in winter, and never buy gas in summer.

Your time and money would be better spent if you bought a used bike and cut out local auto trips by biking to grocery store and other local shops -- and doing so would be healthy for you. Of course, in doing this you run the risk of losing a pot belly, and if you are skinnier, well, your car has less weight to drag around and you will burn less gasoline

vandenberg - 3-20-2010 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Your time and money would be better spent if you bought a used bike and cut out local auto trips by biking to grocery store and other local shops -- and doing so would be healthy for you. Of course, in doing this you run the risk of losing a pot belly, and if you are skinnier, well, your car has less weight to drag around and you will burn less gasoline


Goat, your best post to date.:biggrin:

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by vandenberg

Goat, your best post to date.:biggrin:


I think we've seen a spiritual transformation. HALLELUJAH

David K - 3-20-2010 at 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by David K
HowOdd... if I had any power to remove posts on Nomad, why would I let all the crap and lies posted about me stay here?

I never read anything here that was removed, so I never saw it.

So, believe what you want, but I don't have that much influence over what Doug does here...

If I did, so much more non-friendly behavior would be removed, rather than left alone or just closed. Many have left Nomad because of the childish attacks made for no other reason than drama. Who wants to ask questions or join this community if they are going to get slammed?

I get plenty of praise for taking the crap that I do here, and not allowing them to blow me away. My fault is taking the time I do to counter the lies with facts... it is usually useless to reason with logic against emotion based thinking.

Also, I do try to let it be known when I provide the correct spelling of a Baja place, it is meant for education not as a put down. ;)

Okay, back to Baja stuff!

The most honest Pemex stations are the ones that charge you correctly for the amount put into your tank! (see my post above for my typical Pemex good luck gas stops from San Diego to Loreto.


At least for this time. Hadn't realized that our dueling posts were over on Ron's board. Guess that since DK is an infrequent poster over there, I didn't think to look. That, and my frequent bouts of disorientation to time and place.:biggrin:


What does Ron's board have to do with anything? I didn't see anything there from this thread.

Oh well, I guess that was just posted for drama... Have a nice weekend Howard and Dennis.

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by David K
... Have a nice weekend Howard and Dennis.



Why...thank you so much, David, for including me in your thoughts. I'm now going to postpone my death which I had planned for today and go out and get drunk. I'm happy.
SALUD

From today's El Vigia

arrowhead - 3-24-2010 at 03:01 PM

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El hombre, algo molesto, dijo a los oficiales que al llegar a las bombas de despacho después de las 23:00 horas a la gasolinera Eco de San Quintín, solicitó que se le cargaran 50 pesos de combustible.

Aseguró que después de pagar la cantidad de 50 pesos, siguió su camino, pero a un kilómetro de distancia el vehículo se quedó sin gasolina, ya que el tanque debería de tener poco más de seis litros.

http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/denuncian-robo-de-combustible...


So this guy pulls up to the pump at Eco de San Quintin gas station and buys 50 pesos of gas, about 1-1/2 gallons. He drives off and gets 1 kilometer and his tank is empty!!

DENNIS - 3-24-2010 at 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by arrowhead
So this guy pulls up to the pump at Eco de San Quintin gas station and buys 50 pesos of gas, about 1-1/2 gallons. He drives off and gets 1 kilometer and his tank is empty!!


Must have been up a very steep hill. :lol: