BajaNomad - Right in the middle of the TJ "Secure Zone"

Right in the middle of the TJ "Secure Zone"

arrowhead - 3-18-2010 at 07:29 PM

http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/18032...

Right on Plaza Viva Tijuana, between the McDonalds and the arch.

...and for your bemusement:

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Pide Ramos a EUA no inhibir turismo
Ayuntamiento solicitará quitar alerta contra Tijuana

http://www.oem.com.mx/elsoldetijuana/notas/n1526222.htm

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 07:32 PM

Is it against the law to take a nap in the street?

Woooosh - 3-18-2010 at 07:42 PM

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Is it against the law to take a nap in the street?

No, but it's hard to feed your family if you are the one laying there dead like this shopkeeper. Looks like a 6pm robbery and he chased them out.

No $15 Million security cameras there now either. Just saying...

[Edited on 3-19-2010 by Woooosh]

arrowhead - 3-18-2010 at 07:44 PM

Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.

Woooosh - 3-18-2010 at 08:32 PM

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Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.

Didn't have enough money in the register at 6pm? Even so, Robbery by threat is the same thing. I know more than one family that makes regular monthly payments. They don't dare miss one and no one dares report it to the police. They have business and kids in school to worry about. They submit and accept it and it is dehumanizing. I have relatives in TJ who chose to close their business and move away for a while instead. You'd think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough. No, they need to terrorize their own people too. The nature of man is evil, not good- and there is never enough money. Maybe no one NOB will notice...

DENNIS - 3-18-2010 at 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
You'd think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough.

I've mentioned it before, but I doubt all scum is involved in the big-time drug trade.

BajaBlanca - 3-18-2010 at 09:11 PM

:fire:

mtgoat666 - 3-18-2010 at 09:11 PM

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Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.

swooshie,
from news reports rosarito is as bad as tj -- why do you still live there? why do you talk about tj being bad when rosarito is probably as bad or worse?

last time i drive down the main street in rosarito it was full of gang bangers from LA (i now avoid rosarito, stay on toll road and drive past). i suppose if you get off the main street you won't see the gang bangers, but you will be driving in suburbs where crooked cops and cartel workers live.

rosarito-tj corridor is one big cess pool, figuratively and literally

redhilltown - 3-18-2010 at 11:08 PM

But a cess pool with ocean views and cool refreshing winds!

Martyman - 3-19-2010 at 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good

I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude adjustment.

Woooosh - 3-19-2010 at 11:10 AM

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[ The nature of man is evil, not good

I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude adjustment.

It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages.

vandenberg - 3-19-2010 at 11:19 AM

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[ The nature of man is evil, not good

I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude adjustment.

It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages.

We just evolved from caves, rocks and warclubs and being lead by the toughest, to Mansions in the Hamptons, nukes and drones, and Obama and Congress and the rest of the thugs. Wonder what the future holds. :?:

[Edited on 3-19-2010 by vandenberg]

Woooosh - 3-19-2010 at 11:47 AM

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Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.

Those "LA Gang-bangers" you see in Rosarito aren't visiting here for new tattoos on Spring Break- they were deported (dumped) back into their homeland by the CA prison system. They are victimized here as much as anyone else- only easier to spot. No one is defending Rosarito besides Torres. What choice does he have given the hundred unsold and un-rented condos in his building alone.

There were two documented carjackings of Americans in downtown Rosarito last month you didn't read or hear about NOB. (BTW- All you folks driving through TJ to Rosarito will notice the yellow solar-powered emergency phones they put along the toll road are now gone too).

TJ is indeed bad. So bad they took their $15 Million camera system away so their true crime stats wouldn't go off the charts. We ourselves had an armed carjack attempt recently between Rosarito and TJ on the via rapida/toll road- so I'm not saying Rosarito is safe but I'm sure it is safer than TJ.

It is a different unsafe from the last narco-crime wave though. It's tweeker and economically-desperate unsafe now. I have been pushing to maintain the current US State Department Travel Advisory- not dismiss or dilute it. I have also been vocal for access to actionable crime news for the 12,000 Americans who were invited by the Mayor to live here. We did not invade Mexico, we were actively encourage to invest and live here. But Americans do arrive with certain minimum expectations from our host country- basic security for starters, and even with a Tourist Police force we do not feel protected in our homes or when venturing out.

So why live here? I like it and always have. My Mexican family lives here anyway and I did follow the Baja Nomads Golden Rule of Mexican Real Estate- "never invest more than you are willing to walk away from".

Woooosh - 3-19-2010 at 04:18 PM

Violence scaring off American tourists in Tijuana

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/19/Tijuana.mexico.tourism/...

Notable quote:

"The business, you can see for yourself, it went down 95 percent," he said. "Please tell them, the Americans, it's safe to come here. We are all Americanos, North Americanos. Do you see any problems here?"

"People are afraid of driving by Tijuana," said Papas and Beer manager Cesar Marquez. "That's what's hurting us [Ensenada] the most."

Anyone Up For A Tea Party?

Bajahowodd - 3-19-2010 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good

I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude adjustment.

It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages.

[Edited on 3-19-2010 by vandenberg]

Edited upon second thoughts. Does anyone see what the media is doing right now? They are unfortunately controlling the debate. And comments equating Obama with thugs are no more than red herrings designed to cover up racism. I really believe that many Americans need to take a deep breath, step back and research what eight years of Bush have wrought. Whether by design, or incompetence, a budget surplus wash destroyed. The sub-prime mortgage market was allows to flourish, and Wall Street was allowed to create the most outrageous casino imaginable. Some people got filthy rich. Most people lost wealth. America got fleeced by Bush/Cheney. Whether Obama will ultimately continue such practices is still up for grabs. But at this moment, little more than a year into his presidency, to be equating him with thugs seems more racist to me than anything else.

[Edited on 3-19-2010 by Bajahowodd]

Cypress - 3-19-2010 at 04:55 PM

Bajahowodd, Oh yea! Disagreeing with Obama's policy decisions makes one a racist. :biggrin:

woody with a view - 3-19-2010 at 05:40 PM

that's exzacklee what my sister in law called me.

i don't like her anymore, either!

JESSE - 3-19-2010 at 06:06 PM

So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch!

Woooosh - 3-19-2010 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch!

A low murder number would be nice, but TJ needs that "business went down 95%" number to improve because that is economic recovery. Once people believe that the crime and murder number is truly lower, the tourist numbers will increase and the TJ/Rosarito economy will stabilize. People don't believe numbers anywhere these days- even if they are good ones. When they can see TJ and Rosarito busy with tourists with their own eyes, they will know it is safe to visit, spend and invest again.

JESSE - 3-19-2010 at 08:20 PM

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A few restaurant owners friends of mine in TJ say business is a little better. The first to come back are usually the Mexican americans, and long time Tijuana residents who fled to SD. I am actually starting to consider in doing something in TJ if things stay the way they are for the reminder of the year.

arrowhead - 3-20-2010 at 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch!

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http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/509048.suman-196-...

Suman 196 muertes en Tijuana
18 de mar, 2010

Cuatro hombres han sido asesinados en Tijuana en las últimas 48 horas en hechos registrados en diferentes puntos de la entidad.

There is not now, nor had there been a 70% reduction in murders in TJ.
Come to terms, Jesse. Come to terms.

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2010 at 07:23 AM

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jessie:
wishing so doesn't make it so.

don't believe any statistic about crime in Mexico. The govt that collects the data and issues the stats is either (1) on payroll of cartel, or (2) desperately trying to put lipstick on a pig. Neither motivation makes for honest statistics.

Another "mythbuster"

arrowhead - 3-20-2010 at 02:58 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100320/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_dru...

"The annual murder rate for the estimated 500,000 American citizens in Mexico at any one time has risen — but still remains lower than in some U.S. cities: about 15 per 100,000."

Murder rate San Diego: 4.3 per 100,000
Murder rate New York: 6.3 per 100,000
Mruder rate Hawaii: 2.0 per 100,000
Murder rate Los Angeles: 10.0 per 100,000

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 03:44 PM

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders

Hmmmm - looks like US loses on this one.

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 03:48 PM

OMG and US more corrupt than Mexico? How can that be?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corrupt...

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 03:50 PM

Oh Goodness and more rapes? How can that possibly be?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 03:52 PM

Well gosh and 10,000,000 more total crimes? I am sure it is just a matter of reporting.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-cr...

Woooosh - 3-20-2010 at 04:05 PM

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My family wants to open a restaurant too. I know I can get it up and running for them. The only thing we can't figure out is the security aspect- how to get the cash form the restaurant to the bank safely. If we opened a "gringo diner" that catered also to American tastes- how would we keep it from being a place gringos were targeted for robbery after they left. It would be a shame to work hard every day and then have some organized thugs take it from you every day. Kind of like the schoolyard bully who shakes all the other kids down for their lunch money...

Woooosh - 3-20-2010 at 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
OMG and US more corrupt than Mexico? How can that be?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corrupt...

So why then are 11 million Mexicans still thriving there and paying $5000 for a panga ride in? Are you saying your people are stupid and moved from safety to danger? You must call each one of them and warn them to come back to Mexico for their own safety and a better life for them and their children. You have an unlimited long-distance plan don't you?

You should also consider just foil-lining the dunce-cap you are wearing. No need to have a full tin-foil hat on your head to show everyone you are nuts- just foil line it so you can keep that secret to yourself.

[Edited on 3-20-2010 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 3-20-2010 at 04:24 PM

Murder rates equate to gun availability. Guns are very efficient. Nunchucks or butter knives much less so. Oh, but I forgot, we couldn't have anywhere near the freedom we enjoy if guns were controlled. My bad. I've been through this argument before. YOU should not trust me with a hand gun. Just as i cannot trust you. YOU may be subject to fits of violence. You may be emotionally unstable. Perhaps that description applies to me as well. Point is that a handgun in particular, is an amazingly efficient lethal weapon. Have mucho feliz killing each other.

woody with a view - 3-20-2010 at 04:32 PM

howodd

i will enjoy killing anyone who thinks they are entitled to, or just feel the need to do harm to anyone under my roof or try to rob me of my stuff. in a perfect world i don't want to hurt anyone, but given the choice of turning the other cheek when some POS tweeker appears in my bedroom at midnight or seeing the effects of 12 guage buckshot on the his mid section, i'll take the later.

i'm just sayin'

Bajahowodd - 3-20-2010 at 05:04 PM

So, you're saying that you trust me, a perfect stranger, with having a gun, even as our paths cross? Don't want to get to didactic here, but if you compare murder rates around the world, the stats generally support the idea that in countries with either strong handgun controls, or even bans, murder rates are lower. Sure, guns provide individuals with a sense of security. But they also make it so much easier to inflict a lethal wound.

JESSE - 3-20-2010 at 05:18 PM

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guess what? the current trend of 70% less murders is still holding, ouch!

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There is not now, nor had there been a 70% reduction in murders in TJ.
Come to terms, Jesse. Come to terms.

Again your responses show your biased attempts to ignore FACTS. Yes, 196 murders this year, of wich 188 happened in January and February BEFORE Teo's cell was destroyed. How many murders since then? 8

8 to 10 murders in 20 days, for a city that's used to seeing 8 in one day. Only an idiot would ignore that trend.

JESSE - 3-20-2010 at 05:24 PM

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Its not about statistics alone, its about friends and family feeling more secure, its about business owners feeling an improvement in their sales, its about crime reporting websites who are extremely critical of the goverment, not reporting any news in days, rather than reporting murders and crimes by he hour.

I will say it again, since Teo's gang was destroyed, in the middle of February, murders have gone down 70%. I AM NOT ANALIZING PAST MURDERS, I AM NOT LOOKING AT YEARLY RATES, all i am saying, is that there where 118 or so murders in January, perhaps 50 or so in February, and theres about 10 this month.

Why would anyone ignore those facts, is beyond me, unless they have a personal agenda.

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 05:32 PM

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OMG and US more corrupt than Mexico? How can that be?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/gov_cor-government-corrupt...

Really dumb argument but I had to comment on the "your people" part. I was born and raised in the US. Born in New York as a matter of fact. I am not even part Mexican but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day.

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
You should also consider just foil-lining the dunce-cap you are wearing.

Mink would be nice. That fake stuff of course. Very classy.

torch - 3-20-2010 at 05:50 PM

Well, the bottom line is time will tell and I'm hopeing for a big improvement.

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 05:51 PM

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but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day.

What Gringos are you talking about?
What Mexicans are you talking about?

Seems you have a penchant for choosing people by race.
Are you a racist...like you accused me of being?
I'm not a racist, but it appears you are.
Why are you like that, jewelio? You know we're all equal.
Contain yourself, you loser racist. Repent Repent Repent. Your admitted sins have shown your true color.

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by torch
Well, the bottom line is time will tell and I'm hopeing for a big improvement.

What the *** are you talking about?

k-rico - 3-20-2010 at 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Repent Repent Repent.

Repent? Maybe he hasn't pented yet. Cut him some slack. He just found out about the Rothschild family. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 06:00 PM

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but I tell you what, I'd rather hang out with most Mexicans than the gringos any day.

Well you and your alter ego Arrowhead wouldnt be getting invitations to any bbq's I can tell you that. But I must ask. Don't you have anything to say about the TOPIC and the information presented?

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 06:07 PM

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Don't you have anything to say about the TOPIC and the information presented?

Perhaps, since we all here have muddled the past, you will reiterate the essence of the thread and restate your long forgotten question. That would be nice.
Oh, yeah.....would you do that with respect to the short time we all have left in this life? A summery will put us back on track.

arrowhead - 3-20-2010 at 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders
Hmmmm - looks like US loses on this one.

No Kyle, you lose on this one. You cannot even read a chart. The chart you referenced has two tabs; Total incidents and per capita incidents. You linked to the total incidents. Since the US has three times the population as Mexico, it could have more incidents. But Kyle, go to the only chart that matters -- per capital. You will see that Mexico is ranked #6 on the planet in murders per capita, while the US is down at #24.

And on your next link, on corruption. you do not even understand the chart you linked. The chart works in reverse of the way you think. The higher then number, the less corrupt the country. The US is ranked at 7.6, Mexico is ranked at 3.5.

We already know you have perception problems, but are you a tweeker?

Donjulio - 3-20-2010 at 07:27 PM

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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders
Hmmmm - looks like US loses on this one.

Arrowhead - I am very much aware of the tabs. I am not interested in per capita, I am interested in total crime. You can bring the per capita in to try and prove your point but that's NOT the point. The point is who has more crime, who has more murders, who has more corruption, rapes etc.

You are continuously arguing that Mexico is so unsafe. Well this obviously shows that the US is a lot less safe than Mexico. Who cares how many people there are. If you are in the US or Mexico or anywhere else in the world and at the wrong place at the wrong time you can become a victim of a crime or die.

Your problem is that for some reason you have a burr up your ass about Mexico and so therefore you want to take things out of context to try and prove your point. Unfortunately this time you are just plain wrong.

DENNIS - 3-20-2010 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Donjulio

I am not interested in per capita, I am interested in total crime.

So...5000 murders in Monaco, a country of 32,000 people wouldn't be a statistic that would get your attention since the death rate from that cause didn't come close to the US number.

You're arguement is melting, jewelio.

woody with a view - 3-21-2010 at 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So, you're saying that you trust me, a perfect stranger, with having a gun, even as our paths cross? Don't want to get to didactic here, but if you compare murder rates around the world, the stats generally support the idea that in countries with either strong handgun controls, or even bans, murder rates are lower. Sure, guns provide individuals with a sense of security. But they also make it so much easier to inflict a lethal wound.

yes, i trust you, and the thousands of strangers/drivers of lethal weapons (vehicles) i must coexist with on my weekly commute to and fro 29 Palms.

when your/my time comes fate will let us know it!

durrelllrobert - 3-21-2010 at 01:06 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100320/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_dru...

"The annual murder rate for the estimated 500,000 American citizens in Mexico at any one time has risen ...

How about the murder rate for the estimated 3 million Mexicans illegally living in the US and included in the stupid statistics that the UN put out :?:

Woooosh - 3-21-2010 at 02:19 PM

Why Mexico's murder rates mean nothing... a recent example:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/21/week-mexico-3...

"The official death toll for Mexican journalists for the year is four. The Inter-American Press Association says a fifth was recently killed in the border city of Reynosa, but media outlets there have been too afraid to file a police report."

Donjulio - 3-21-2010 at 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Why Mexico's murder rates mean nothing... a recent example:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/21/week-mexico-3...

"The official death toll for Mexican journalists for the year is four. The Inter-American Press Association says a fifth was recently killed in the border city of Reynosa, but media outlets there have been too afraid to file a police report."

WOW - lets do the math on this one. If they only have 3100 more unreported than they will catch up to the US - :?:

Woooosh - 3-21-2010 at 03:19 PM

That post made you think of math? That was a simple example of how stats are wrong. The murder rate for journalists is 20% less than reported (1 out of 5). That is a fact. More tinfoil for you maybe?

In the USA murders do go unsolved, but rarely unreported. How many unreported bodies in the pozole-maker Ensenada stew?

Bajahowodd - 3-21-2010 at 03:31 PM

Whoa! I didn't think that Ensenada was the site of world class pozole. You sure it wasn't TJ?

Donjulio - 3-21-2010 at 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
That post made you think of math? That was a simple example of how stats are wrong. The murder rate for journalists is 20% less than reported (1 out of 5). That is a fact. More tinfoil for you maybe?

In the USA murders do go unsolved, but rarely unreported. How many unreported bodies in the pozole-maker Ensenada stew?

You guys are a riot. Thank goodness the tinfoil will insulate me from your brainwaves.

Total crimes by country:

# 1 United States: 11,877,218
# 12 Mexico: 1,516,029

US is number 1 and Mexico is not even in the top 10.

And as far as corruption:

# 17 United States: 7.6
= 65 Mexico: 3.5

Bet you were hoping for alphabetical order.

Apparently this tinfoil cap of mine not only looks good but seems to have a way of filtering the BS out of the truth.

Your turn Mr. Happy!

Bajahowodd - 3-21-2010 at 03:46 PM

Mr. Happy may be a euphemism for something far away from this discussion. That said, there is no getting away from the fact that the US has an unconscionable rate of crime. We have built prison after prison. We have what some may feel as draconian laws (think 3 strikes), but we still have a crime rate that should be embarrassing to most citizens. I'm guessing that it's related to our failure to properly fund our educational system, and our lack of focused rehabilitation for those who are incarcerated.

Woooosh - 3-21-2010 at 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Mr. Happy may be a euphemism for something far away from this discussion. That said, there is no getting away from the fact that the US has an unconscionable rate of crime. We have built prison after prison. We have what some may feel as draconian laws (think 3 strikes), but we still have a crime rate that should be embarrassing to most citizens. I'm guessing that it's related to our failure to properly fund our educational system, and our lack of focused rehabilitation for those who are incarcerated.

Your forgot the illegal immigrants who committed crimes. What's the national percentage of illegal immigrants in US prisons? I know the CA number is huge, but what is it nationally? That should be a real, verifiable number.

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

And the New York Times in 2007:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/us/19immig.

"Latinos made up only 13 percent of the United States adult population in 2007, but they accounted for one third of federal prison inmates that year, a result the study attributed to the sharp rise in illegal immigration and tougher enforcement of immigration laws."

And yes, the pozole-maker did his work in Ensenada (back from the beach though)

[Edited on 3-21-2010 by Woooosh]

Bajahowodd - 3-21-2010 at 03:55 PM

No pozole with my fish tacos tonight. :lol:

Woooosh - 3-21-2010 at 04:14 PM

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No pozole with my fish tacos tonight. :lol:

... and fresh local lobster is out of season until September. What's a seafood lover to do?

Donjulio - 3-21-2010 at 04:18 PM

Well now we switched to how many Mexicans are in jail in the US. I fear for them because I know the steel bars don't work near as good as my tinfoil hat.

Woooosh - 3-21-2010 at 04:26 PM

It's crime rate... right? Take ONE-THIRD of the USA crime number and put it in the Mexico column- where it belongs. And that's just for convicted, in jail crimes committed by Mexican illegals who are NOT american by definition. How's your crime number looking now foilman?

Bajahowodd - 3-21-2010 at 04:36 PM

Don't know if anyone has or could compile stats for it, but it just seems to me that any illegal with half a brain would refrain from criminal activity, lest they get deported. One would think that such people would really want to stay under the radar. That said, acknowledging that there are many illegals who do nothing more than work hard, obey all other laws, and send money to their families should not necessarily be targeted. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with incarcerating and ultimately deporting anyone who comes to this country and commits crimes.

Donjulio - 3-21-2010 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
It's crime rate... right? Take ONE-THIRD of the USA crime number and put it in the Mexico column- where it belongs. And that's just for convicted, in jail crimes committed by Mexican illegals who are NOT american by definition. How's your crime number looking now foilman?

You are changing the subject again. The subject is the amount of crime in the country and the safety of the country. Who is committing the crimes is irrelevant to the topic.

Bajahowodd - 3-21-2010 at 04:49 PM

It's probably European tourists, eh? :spingrin:

Donjulio - 3-21-2010 at 05:23 PM

I think it's the freaking Canadians!

Didn't you know Celine Dion is their leader. Every single one of her songs sounds good to us but actually they are backwards and they have a secret code embedded in them. So she is triggering and orchestrating the violence with every performance.

Thats why when you go to one of her concerts everyone looks the same but actually the Canadians are wearing invisible tin hats. Just like mine.

[Edited on 3-22-2010 by Donjulio]

arrowhead - 3-22-2010 at 09:55 AM

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And as far as corruption:

# 17 United States: 7.6
= 65 Mexico: 3.5

This is the second time I am going to tell you this. You are reading the chart backwards. The lower the ranking, the lower the corruption. 17 is lower than 65. That means the US is LESS CORRUPT than Mexico. Are you still getting some interference from the government radio waves that are being beamed into your head?

Woooosh - 3-22-2010 at 10:53 AM

ah come on.. I was liking the Celine Dion thing he had going. His tinfoil hat has better reception than what it is covering I guess.

nancyconroy - 3-23-2010 at 10:48 AM

[Edited on 3-23-2010 by nancyconroy]

Woooosh - 3-23-2010 at 11:54 PM

Finally the keystone cops head in the right direction...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/23/mexico-widow-...

"In the northern border city of Tijuana, meanwhile, the police department announced Tuesday that it will switch its focus from battling drug traffickers to fighting common street crime. Residents of the city have complained in recent months that police are ignoring home burglaries, car thefts and muggings, focusing instead on disrupting traffickers fighting over routes leading into San Diego, California."

The gist of the story- about the Military's role in the killing of a detainee they arrested two days earlier isn't baja-related...

JESSE - 3-24-2010 at 01:38 AM

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14741636

Tijuana, Mexico authorities focus on street crime
The Associated Press
Posted: 03/23/2010 02:28:21 PM PDT
Updated: 03/23/2010 02:28:21 PM PDT

TIJUANA, Mexico—After several years of battling drug cartels, Tijuana's police department is switching gears to focus on fighting normal street crime.

Residents complained in recent months that police ignore home burglaries, car thefts and muggings, focusing instead on disrupting drug traffickers, who fight over routes leading through the border city into San Diego, California.

At a news conference Tuesday at a Tijuana shopping mall, state prosecutor Rommel Moreno Manjarrez said officers would change their course to refocus on common crime, while soldiers sent in by the government continue to fight drug traffickers.

Brutal cartel-related crime has declined so far this year, but common crime is up 40 percent.

Woooosh - 3-24-2010 at 11:20 AM

That's pretty much what my posted observations have been- the narco crime is down and the stuck-on-stupid crimes (like our carjacking attempt) up. Now the narcos know only the military is after them- so the police will feel safer to go about their business n the street protecting people and businesses.

So...That's what they normally do?

Dave - 3-24-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
the police will feel safer to go about their business in the street protecting people and businesses.

I had no idea. :rolleyes:

Woooosh - 3-24-2010 at 12:11 PM

Hey- they've been hiding indoors for a long long time. Or driving around in caravans any crook could spot a mile away. Of course that $15 Million camera system they took down would have protected the people all along.

DENNIS - 3-24-2010 at 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Of course that $15 Million camera system they took down would have protected the people all along.

Never heard of anyone ever being arrested by a camera. I think there's supposed to be someone responsible on the other end of it, like Alan Funt.

Woooosh - 3-24-2010 at 12:47 PM

TJ had 12,800 detentions from those cameras in 2006, the first year it was in operation and the only year they reported stats for. just saying...