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arrowhead
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Right in the middle of the TJ "Secure Zone"
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Noticias/18032...
Right on Plaza Viva Tijuana, between the McDonalds and the arch.
...and for your bemusement:
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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DENNIS
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Is it against the law to take a nap in the street?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Is it against the law to take a nap in the street? |
No, but it's hard to feed your family if you are the one laying there dead like this shopkeeper. Looks like a 6pm robbery and he chased them out.
No $15 Million security cameras there now either. Just saying...
[Edited on 3-19-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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arrowhead
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Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.
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Didn't have enough money in the register at 6pm? Even so, Robbery by threat is the same thing. I know more than one family that makes regular
monthly payments. They don't dare miss one and no one dares report it to the police. They have business and kids in school to worry about. They
submit and accept it and it is dehumanizing. I have relatives in TJ who chose to close their business and move away for a while instead. You'd
think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough. No, they need to terrorize their own people too. The nature of man is evil, not good- and
there is never enough money. Maybe no one NOB will notice...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
You'd think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough. |
I've mentioned it before, but I doubt all scum is involved in the big-time drug trade. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.
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Didn't have enough money in the register at 6pm? Even so, Robbery by threat is the same thing. I know more than one family that makes regular
monthly payments. They don't dare miss one and no one dares report it to the police. They have business and kids in school to worry about. They
submit and accept it and it is dehumanizing. I have relatives in TJ who chose to close their business and move away for a while instead. You'd
think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough. No, they need to terrorize their own people too. The nature of man is evil, not good- and
there is never enough money. Maybe no one NOB will notice... |
swooshie,
from news reports rosarito is as bad as tj -- why do you still live there? why do you talk about tj being bad when rosarito is probably as bad or
worse?
last time i drive down the main street in rosarito it was full of gang bangers from LA (i now avoid rosarito, stay on toll road and drive past). i
suppose if you get off the main street you won't see the gang bangers, but you will be driving in suburbs where crooked cops and cartel workers live.
rosarito-tj corridor is one big cess pool, figuratively and literally
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redhilltown
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But a cess pool with ocean views and cool refreshing winds!
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Martyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good |
I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude
adjustment.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good |
I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude
adjustment. |
It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good |
I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude
adjustment. |
It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages. |
We just evolved from caves, rocks and warclubs and being lead by the toughest, to Mansions in the Hamptons, nukes and drones, and Obama and Congress
and the rest of the thugs. Wonder what the future holds. 
[Edited on 3-19-2010 by vandenberg]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Don't think it was a robbery. The article says he was shot by three guys with guns. He probably didn't make his extortion payment this week.
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Didn't have enough money in the register at 6pm? Even so, Robbery by threat is the same thing. I know more than one family that makes regular
monthly payments. They don't dare miss one and no one dares report it to the police. They have business and kids in school to worry about. They
submit and accept it and it is dehumanizing. I have relatives in TJ who chose to close their business and move away for a while instead. You'd
think the money the gangs make from drugs would be enough. No, they need to terrorize their own people too. The nature of man is evil, not good- and
there is never enough money. Maybe no one NOB will notice... |
swooshie,
from news reports rosarito is as bad as tj -- why do you still live there? why do you talk about tj being bad when rosarito is probably as bad or
worse?
last time i drive down the main street in rosarito it was full of gang bangers from LA (i now avoid rosarito, stay on toll road and drive past). i
suppose if you get off the main street you won't see the gang bangers, but you will be driving in suburbs where crooked cops and cartel workers live.
rosarito-tj corridor is one big cess pool, figuratively and literally |
Those "LA Gang-bangers" you see in Rosarito aren't visiting here for new tattoos on Spring Break- they were deported (dumped) back into their homeland
by the CA prison system. They are victimized here as much as anyone else- only easier to spot. No one is defending Rosarito besides Torres. What
choice does he have given the hundred unsold and un-rented condos in his building alone.
There were two documented carjackings of Americans in downtown Rosarito last month you didn't read or hear about NOB. (BTW- All you folks driving
through TJ to Rosarito will notice the yellow solar-powered emergency phones they put along the toll road are now gone too).
TJ is indeed bad. So bad they took their $15 Million camera system away so their true crime stats wouldn't go off the charts. We ourselves had an
armed carjack attempt recently between Rosarito and TJ on the via rapida/toll road- so I'm not saying Rosarito is safe but I'm sure it is safer than
TJ.
It is a different unsafe from the last narco-crime wave though. It's tweeker and economically-desperate unsafe now. I have been pushing to maintain
the current US State Department Travel Advisory- not dismiss or dilute it. I have also been vocal for access to actionable crime news for the 12,000
Americans who were invited by the Mayor to live here. We did not invade Mexico, we were actively encourage to invest and live here. But Americans do
arrive with certain minimum expectations from our host country- basic security for starters, and even with a Tourist Police force we do not feel
protected in our homes or when venturing out.
So why live here? I like it and always have. My Mexican family lives here anyway and I did follow the Baja Nomads Golden Rule of Mexican Real
Estate- "never invest more than you are willing to walk away from".
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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Violence scaring off American tourists in Tijuana
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/03/19/Tijuana.mexico.tourism/...
Notable quote:
"The business, you can see for yourself, it went down 95 percent," he said. "Please tell them, the Americans, it's safe to come here. We are all
Americanos, North Americanos. Do you see any problems here?"
"People are afraid of driving by Tijuana," said Papas and Beer manager Cesar Marquez. "That's what's hurting us [Ensenada] the most."
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Bajahowodd
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Anyone Up For A Tea Party?
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
[ The nature of man is evil, not good |
I can't believe that! Sure there are bad guys! Evil? I don't think we, as a species, would have lasted this long. Maybe time for an attitude
adjustment. |
It's true. Without laws and religions to keep us in line we would be nothing but savages. |
We just evolved from caves, rocks and warclubs and being lead by the toughest, to Mansions in the Hamptons, nukes and drones, and Obama and Congress
and the rest of the thugs. Wonder what the future holds.
[Edited on 3-19-2010 by vandenberg] |
Edited upon second thoughts. Does anyone see what the media is doing right now? They are unfortunately controlling the debate. And comments equating
Obama with thugs are no more than red herrings designed to cover up racism. I really believe that many Americans need to take a deep breath, step back
and research what eight years of Bush have wrought. Whether by design, or incompetence, a budget surplus wash destroyed. The sub-prime mortgage market
was allows to flourish, and Wall Street was allowed to create the most outrageous casino imaginable. Some people got filthy rich. Most people lost
wealth. America got fleeced by Bush/Cheney. Whether Obama will ultimately continue such practices is still up for grabs. But at this moment, little
more than a year into his presidency, to be equating him with thugs seems more racist to me than anything else.
[Edited on 3-19-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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Cypress
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Bajahowodd, Oh yea! Disagreeing with Obama's policy decisions makes one a racist. 
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that's exzacklee what my sister in law called me.
i don't like her anymore, either!
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So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch! |
A low murder number would be nice, but TJ needs that "business went down 95%" number to improve because that is economic recovery. Once people
believe that the crime and murder number is truly lower, the tourist numbers will increase and the TJ/Rosarito economy will stabilize. People don't
believe numbers anywhere these days- even if they are good ones. When they can see TJ and Rosarito busy with tourists with their own eyes, they will
know it is safe to visit, spend and invest again.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
So whats your point arrowhead? still working hard trying to diminish the recent gains in lowering murders huh? guess what? the current trend of 70%
less murders is still holding, ouch! |
A low murder number would be nice, but TJ needs that "business went down 95%" number to improve because that is economic recovery. Once people
believe that the crime and murder number is truly lower, the tourist numbers will increase and the TJ/Rosarito economy will stabilize. People don't
believe numbers anywhere these days- even if they are good ones. When they can see TJ and Rosarito busy with tourists with their own eyes, they will
know it is safe to visit, spend and invest again. |
A few restaurant owners friends of mine in TJ say business is a little better. The first to come back are usually the Mexican americans, and long time
Tijuana residents who fled to SD. I am actually starting to consider in doing something in TJ if things stay the way they are for the reminder of the
year.
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