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Man (not) Killed Avoiding Secondary Inspection at San Ysidro POE Today

Woooosh - 4-17-2010 at 01:59 PM

No links yet. A man was crossing north into the USA in lanes 22, 23 or 24 this morning. His truck was directed to Secondary inspection but he apparently decided not to go. (He likely tried to drive straight ahead into the three exit lanes.) They are reporting a dead male body on the ground about 50 feet inside the USA border. No one is saying what was in the truck yet.

[Edited to correct the guy wasn't dead)

[Edited on 4-19-2010 by Woooosh]

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DENNIS - 4-17-2010 at 02:16 PM

I wonder why they didn't use the spikes that are in the exit lanes.

DENNIS - 4-17-2010 at 02:21 PM

Man shot by officers at San Ysidro crossing
By Keith Darcé, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published April 17, 2010 at 11:56 a.m., updated April 17, 2010 at 1:01 p.m.

Federal officers shot a man this morning after he came through the San Ysidro border crossing from Mexico, U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Vince Bond said.

Though law enforcement officials in San Diego County wouldn’t say how seriously the man was injured, media outlets in Tijuana reported that he died.

The shooting occurred around 9 a.m., and involved two customs and border protection officers, Bond said. The incident was being investigated by the San Diego Police Department.

“I can’t really get into the circumstances,” Bond said.

San Diego police declined to comment on the investigation.

Mexican media outlets said the man was shot after he tried to dodge a secondary inspection while driving a Chevrolet Avalanche truck.

The port of entry at San Ysidro remained open but the west egress lanes on the northbound-side of the crossing were closed for the investigation, Bond said. Three other northbound lanes — lanes 22, 23 and 24 — near the area also were closed.

irenemm - 4-17-2010 at 02:22 PM

OH well
I guess when your sent to secondary you should go. You run when you have sometime to hide. Come from a family with lots of law enforcement.
look at all the money tax payer just saved. No free lawyers and no feeding and housing him.

Barry A. - 4-17-2010 at 02:39 PM

There had to be some threat to others lives, or the perception of such, for the shooting to be legal and justifiable, at least under normal circumstances.

It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out. The San Diego Police (City cops) investigating an incident commited by Fed. cops is highly unusual (??). Normally the FBI is the investigating Agency.

Barry

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by irenemm
OH well
I guess when your sent to secondary you should go. You run when you have sometime to hide. Come from a family with lots of law enforcement.
look at all the money tax payer just saved. No free lawyers and no feeding and housing him.

i liked you before, now i love you!

rts551 - 4-17-2010 at 04:01 PM

No one said it was justifiable ..... yet!

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Originally posted by Barry A.
There had to be some threat to others lives, or the perception of such, for the shooting to be legal and justifiable, at least under normal circumstances.

It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out. The San Diego Police (City cops) investigating an incident commited by Fed. cops is highly unusual (??). Normally the FBI is the investigating Agency.

Barry

dtbushpilot - 4-17-2010 at 04:01 PM

What woody said.....dt

Bajahowodd - 4-17-2010 at 04:38 PM

More details are essential before anyone can come to a conclusion. Just consider if this guy was neither belligerent, nor brandishing a weapon. Then, consider this about the possibility that one among thousands, perhaps having had a few too many Tecates while headed North, develops an overwhelming anger at having to wait in line for two hours, and decides to hell with it and just heads for the exit. That person would be an ill-advised candidate to use as an example of border security. No doubt that the men and women in those booths have a difficult job. Let's just hope that what happened here had more provocation than just some guy deciding not to pull over. After all, they could have chased him down farther North.

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
More details are essential before anyone can come to a conclusion. Just consider if this guy was neither belligerent, nor brandishing a weapon. Then, consider this about the possibility that one among thousands, perhaps having had a few too many Tecates while headed North, develops an overwhelming anger at having to wait in line for two hours, and decides to hell with it and just heads for the exit. That person would be an ill-advised candidate to use as an example of border security.

what Irene said!!!!

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No doubt that the men and women in those booths have a difficult job. Let's just hope that what happened here had more provocation than just some guy deciding not to pull over. After all, they could have chased him down farther North.

what Irene said!!!! maybe the idiot would have killed your loved ones trying to evade the law "further North." i'll go onto a branch here and loudly proclaim the facts will point at the POS, not the CBP. BUT, whatever happens his DNA won't pollute the gene pool any longer....

for those too stupid, drunk or just plain illiterate to understand simple commands, Darwin had it right........ :light:

dtbushpilot - 4-17-2010 at 04:53 PM

What woody said......

Thanks for doing all the work for me woody....dt

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 04:59 PM

any time, bud! still kinda bummed that the kitten thing never happened.....

DENNIS - 4-17-2010 at 05:02 PM

Up to now, we have no idea why. What first occured to me when hearing the story was, I just hope the itchy trigger finger isn't becoming a tool of the trade. There are spikes in the road to stop vehicles.
The place has been going through some changes and they all seem so much more authoratarian than in the past.

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by DENNIS]

noproblemo2 - 4-17-2010 at 05:06 PM

SAN DIEGO – Federal officers shot and injured a man at the nation's busiest border crossing Saturday after he sped away from a gate agent and rammed a pickup while crossing into San Diego County from Mexico, authorities said.

The shooting by two U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents occurred about 8:50 a.m at the San Ysidro Point of Entry, said San Diego Police Lt. Kevin Rooney.

The man drove up to a gate in a Chevrolet Tahoe and told a customs inspector he didn't have any official identification. After offering some nonofficial documentation, the man was directed to a secondary inspection area.

Rooney said the driver accelerated up a departure lane, rammed a Ford pickup and crashed into concrete barriers as he tried to get into the northbound lanes of Interstate 5.

Agents on foot converged on the Tahoe and opened the door, trying to drag the driver out. The suspect drove in reverse, striking an agent with the Tahoe's open door. The agent fired at the driver as he sped backward. A second agent opened fire and the driver crashed into the barrier again and stopped, Rooney said.

The suspect suffered one gunshot wound and was hospitalized under guard, Rooney said. The injury was not considered life threatening.

The man was not identified. He was described as in his 50s. It was unclear if he'll be prosecuted federally or locally, Rooney said.

The truck he was driving was reported stolen in Colorado, Rooney said.

No agents were injured and nobody in the pickup was hurt, Rooney said.

The San Ysidro Point of Entry connects San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. About 40,000 vehicles cross into the United States at the port each day, and it has 24 northbound lanes.

Three of the lanes were briefly closed while police investigated.

dtbushpilot - 4-17-2010 at 05:08 PM

Yea, me too woody. Cant think of a better home he/she could have had....dt

DENNIS - 4-17-2010 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by noproblemo2
No agents were injured and nobody in the pickup was hurt, Rooney said.

I guess it was one of those "Painless" bullets.

woody with a view - 4-17-2010 at 05:13 PM

i just saw the report on the TV and the door of the truck was bent backwards up along the wheel well. Darwin had it right......

Woooosh - 4-17-2010 at 05:16 PM

"It is unclear if he'll be prosecuted federally or locally"

If dead, neither.

We all know these lanes. Once you get into one of the three exit lanes you have concrete barriers on both sides of you for about 25 yards. At the end of the lane is a big spike bar they pop-up to stop the whole lane. They must have hit the button to stop the lanes, and the guys truck rammed a stopped vehicle in front of him. He was trapped, just going back and forth with his door open in the same lane. So why shoot him- just step away on the other side of the barrier and laugh for awhile at his predicament? He was a rat in a trap.

dtbushpilot - 4-17-2010 at 05:17 PM

What woody said.....I'm trying to get in there with my own thoughts but you keep beating me to it. Keep up the good work woody :lol:

..dt

Barry A. - 4-17-2010 at 05:23 PM

Based on NoPreblema's last post, the shooting was entirely justified.
A vehicle is a deadly weapon.

Barry

toneart - 4-17-2010 at 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Up to now, we have no idea why. What first occured to me when hearing the story was, I just hope the itchy trigger finger isn't becoming a tool of the trade. There are spikes in the road to stop vehicles.
The place has been going through some changes and they all seem so much more authoratarian than in the past.

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by DENNIS]

What Dennis said! :smug:

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2010 at 05:45 PM

at this point, if there is no video corroboration, then law enforcement story is not to be believed.

only fools believe the stories told by law enforcement. so many times we have found that law enforcement stories rarely match the undercover video when under cover video is found to exist.

Pops - 4-17-2010 at 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
at this point, if there is no video corroboration, then law enforcement story is not to be believed.

only fools believe the stories told by law enforcement. so many times we have found that law enforcement stories rarely match the undercover video when under cover video is found to exist.

Didn't O.J. say that?? :?:

mtgoat666 - 4-17-2010 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Pops

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Didn't O.J. say that?? :?:

the guy is still alive. asuming the border patrol does not assinate him while he recouperates in hospital, the real story may yet be told.

Bajaboy - 4-17-2010 at 06:14 PM

I think if someone is willing to run the checkpoint then all bets are off....shoot to kill. I don't feel sorry for the punk-butt.

Barry A. - 4-17-2010 at 06:19 PM

Having folks out there that think and comment like Mt. Goat, it's no wonder that a few LE officers get a little testy---------this must be racism-----that's it, Goat is a racist!-------what else could it possibly be?? :lol:

Barry

DENNIS - 4-17-2010 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
what else could it possibly be??

The list is endless.

estebanis - 4-17-2010 at 06:32 PM

LEO's kinda hate it when you try to run down their fellow officer.
:light:

Um I think I would have correct documentation and not try to cross the border in a stolen truck... Just saying....
Esteban

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by estebanis]

irenemm - 4-17-2010 at 06:33 PM

Thank you Woody and dt.
Having had 2 brother-in-laws and several cousins on the LAPD and putting there life on the line for most of them 30 years. Hey you run you must be hiding something. If your drunk well your stupid and hey stupid is as stupid does right. I have several friends on the US Border Patrol and my son is waiting for his change to become an agent.
You did nothing stop you have nothing stop you don't understand English alto.
the video will come out sooner or later.
the Cartels have put a price tag on the heads of the border patrol and hey maybe the officer thought for a millisecond this guy wanted $50,000.
STOP I said STOP Hey ALTO
bang bang

bajaguy - 4-17-2010 at 06:47 PM

hey, Goat.........I hope the black helicopters come and get you!!!!!!!!

DavidT - 4-17-2010 at 10:05 PM

A few years ago a couple I know were arguing in line. They were cleared at the gate and then drove into secondary where she jumped out of the car. That got some attention!

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-18-2010 at 05:17 AM

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

mtgoat666 - 4-18-2010 at 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by irenemm
Having had 2 brother-in-laws and several cousins on the LAPD....

lapd is a poster child for what?

Barry A. - 4-18-2010 at 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by irenemm
Having had 2 brother-in-laws and several cousins on the LAPD....

lapd is a poster child for what?

Being a very tough city to practice the profession of Law Enforcement due partly to bad attitudes on the part of many of it's citizens. :yes:

Barry

DianaT - 4-18-2010 at 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by toneart

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What Dennis said! :smug:

Agreed--

And it is difficult to understand why at this point anyone would make a judgment as to if the officers were justified in how they handled the situation or not----that is what an investigation is for, is it not???

Maybe they did exactly what they needed to do and were justified, and maybe not----too many unknowns right now.

Barry A. - 4-18-2010 at 09:54 AM

True, but it is fun to speculate, and we NOMAD's have always been great at "educated" (or uneducated) speculation. :lol:

Barry

DianaT - 4-18-2010 at 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
True, but it is fun to speculate, and we NOMAD's have always been great at "educated" (or uneducated) speculation. :lol:

Barry

No, NEVER does that happen. :lol:

DENNIS - 4-18-2010 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
True, but it is fun to speculate, and we NOMAD's have always been great at "educated" (or uneducated) speculation. :lol:

Barry

I think it shows a definite need to participate even when we know absolutly nothing of the subject. :lol:

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by DENNIS]

DianaT - 4-18-2010 at 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.
True, but it is fun to speculate, and we NOMAD's have always been great at "educated" (or uneducated) speculation. :lol:

Barry

I think it shows a definite need to participate even when we know absolutly nothing of the subject. :lol:

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by DENNIS]

No, NEVER does that happen around here. :lol:

Woooosh - 4-18-2010 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Barry A.
True, but it is fun to speculate, and we NOMAD's have always been great at "educated" (or uneducated) speculation. :lol:

Barry

I think it shows a definite need to participate even when we know absolutly nothing of the subject. :lol:

[Edited on 4-18-2010 by DENNIS]

No, NEVER does that happen around here. :lol:

The topic of this thread is a sad example of rampant and pervasive nomad speculation. There was no death. What was that idiot woooosh trying to... hey, wait a minute.

dtbushpilot - 4-18-2010 at 02:51 PM

No bajaeng, the kittens all found homes but thanks for asking.....dt

Hook - 4-18-2010 at 09:53 PM

Something showed up in the Yahoo headlines today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_border_shooting

durrelllrobert - 4-19-2010 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by irenemm

Having had 2 brother-in-laws and several cousins on the LAPD

sorry for your loss, or did you just mean having 2 brother in-laws...... :lol:

irenemm - 4-19-2010 at 02:39 PM

Thank you durrelllrobert. both retired one walked the footbeat in Watts for 23 years and retired as detective narcotics in Watts. One went on to be a California state cop when they got rid of that by the state he stayed with the state. retired as detective homicide.
thanks again

DENNIS - 4-19-2010 at 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by irenemm
Thank you durrelllrobert.

Please...call him Bob. Everybody here calls him Bob. He's Bob. Just Bob. He has too many Ls in his signature anyway.
BobBobBobBobBobBob. It's Bob. :biggrin:

Bob.
See? This is Bob :biggrin:

with a big smile on his face and here's Bob :lol:

laughing his butt off.
Oh, yeah....here's Bob :fire:

when he's cooking dinner and here's Bob :bounce:

when he has to go to the bathroom.
Please...call him Bob.
Thank You.

Bob and Susan - 4-19-2010 at 03:17 PM

yea dennis...bob...

4 hours :saint:

[Edited on 4-19-2010 by Bob and Susan]

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Bajahowodd - 4-19-2010 at 04:35 PM

Enzyte! Is Bob the local supplier??? :lol:

bajabass - 4-19-2010 at 05:02 PM

Just love those "Smilin' Bob" commercials!!! :tumble:

BajaGringo - 4-19-2010 at 05:15 PM

So the bozo trying to run the border was trying to smuggle little blue pills???

:lol:

grmpb - 4-19-2010 at 05:30 PM

:?:

BajaGringo - 4-19-2010 at 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by grmpb
:?:

You and me both brother...

irenemm - 4-19-2010 at 11:26 PM

OK just Bob
I think I may have it now.
thanks
Just Bob
thank God you didn't say poor Bob that's my brother-in-law

UPDATE

CaboRon - 4-20-2010 at 07:18 AM

Man shot at border was wanted in ColoradoBy Karen Kucher, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, April 19, 2010 at 1:28 p.m.

SAN DIEGO — A Colorado man shot in the shoulder by federal officers at the U.S. border Saturday was wanted in connection with at least 30 purse-snatch robberies in Colorado.

Richard Cress, 54, will be arraigned in San Diego federal court Monday afternoon on a charge of assaulting a federal officer.

In March, police in Wheat Ridge, Colo., a suburb of Denver, identified Cress as a suspect in a string of purse-snatch robberies that began in January, including cases with victims ranging in age from 70 to 95 years old. The robber would target women who left purses on their front seat as they pumped gas or loaded groceries or other items into their car. The robber would often drive close to the car, reach in and grab the purse and take off.

Wheat Ridge police spokeswoman Lisa Stigall said six of the purse-snatch cases occurred in Wheat Ridge and the rest were in 10 surrounding towns. Police issued a warrant for his arrest in March.

"It is a relief," Stigall said. "We were really hoping that someone was going to see him before somebody got injured. In our cases he did seem to prey on the elderly gals and some of them are pretty sparky and they would try to fight back and grab their purse. It was a matter of time before someone was going to get injured."

Cress was shot in the shoulder by federal officers Saturday morning as he sped toward exit lanes at the border crossing after ignoring an order to pull over into a secondary inspection area, authorities said. Cress was driving a Chevrolet Tahoe, which had been reported stolen in Colorado Springs on March 1 and had stolen California license plates on it.

As Cress drove into a lane enclosed by cement barriers he rammed a vehicle in front of him in an attempt to make it to the freeway, San Diego homicide Lt. Kevin Rooney said.

Agents reached the driver's door and tried to stop him. But Cress put the SUV in reverse and drove south at about 30 mph, police said. Two agents shot at Cress to prevent him from hitting more cars, Rooney said. Cress was struck by one round and crashed into a barricade. He was treated for his injuries at UCSD Medical Center.

The names of the agents have not been made public. One has been with the agency for three years and the other for seven, police said.

"Trying to ram himself across the border in that way is kind of a crazy ending to it," Stigall said.

Barry A. - 4-20-2010 at 07:30 AM

thanks, CaboRon-------------interesting.

Way to go Border Agents!!!!! Another dangerous jerk out of circulation----at least for a while.

Barry

bajabass - 4-20-2010 at 07:36 AM

The boys in blue did their job, and he is lucky he didn't take one between the eyes.

durrelllrobert - 4-20-2010 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by CaboRon
A Colorado man shot in the shoulder by federal officers at the U.S. border Saturday was wanted in connection with at least 30 purse-snatch robberies in Colorado.

Wasn't there a bunch of purse snatchings in Ensenada during March and April? just wondering if he was living down here :?:

Bob and Susan - 4-20-2010 at 10:03 AM

cress...do you know him

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durrelllrobert - 4-21-2010 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
cress...do you know him

no, doesn't look like the guy at end of the bar in Sharky's that I had in mind :lol:

DENNIS - 4-21-2010 at 11:41 AM

The look on his face says that Bubba, his new roomy, just let his sweat pants drop to the floor.
Wecome to the Joint, Sweetie.