BajaNomad - Ford or Toyota - Which would you buy?

Ford or Toyota - Which would you buy?

Ken Cooke - 5-11-2010 at 09:07 PM

I hear the Toyota gets better mileage than the F250. Anyone have anything to add?

Bajaboy - 5-11-2010 at 09:12 PM

Which Toyota?

Ken Cooke - 5-11-2010 at 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Which Toyota?

The guy that bought my Kayak today had a Tundra, and it looked comfortable and lighter weight, but with an IFS suspension. Nice looking pickup.

Bob H - 5-11-2010 at 10:55 PM

Please.... look at Nissan!
Bob H

bonanza bucko - 5-12-2010 at 06:59 AM

I had a Tundra 4X4 for seven years...and 160K miles on it and I would have bought another one just like it in about a half second...best truck I ever saw....not even a squeek after about 20 trips down the "road" from Puertecitos to Gonzaga Bay. But the new Tundra, built after 2007, ain't the same machine...I have buddies who tell of rattles and stuff falling off..like the radiator which apparently is hung with ABS brackets instead of steel. I also think Toyota decided they needed to compete in the urban cowboy market with big Dodges. The only thing missing on the new Tundra is a bull's horn on the hood and his balls on the hitch.

So I bought a F150 Lariat 4X4. I found out that the 2010 F150 ain't the old 150....it's bigger and it has a bunch of stuff that used to be on the F250...coil overs and 18 inch disc brakes in front and overload springs and disc brakes in back. They also are welded to da max...no cheezy tack welds or rivets in cross members etc.

I have taken the truck on one trip so far south of Puertecitos and it handled That Road better than the Tundra did....if that's possible. Both are superb on the washboard. I drove at 35 mph + where it was safe and no problemas. Our F150 is a super crew cab and a five foot bed....my "Boss" (AKA wife) observed sweetly that all her girl stuff should go inside the new big back cab and we, therefore, didn't need the old log bed and camper shell...true.

The F150 also has lots of goodies that you can't get on the Tundra Limited....Toyota has always been a little slow and thin on the luxuries. The F150 Lariat we have is, in essence, a Lincoln inside....incredible stuff on the Serius and Sync systems etc. I am a pilot and I can call up the Weather Map on the GPS screen and see all the fronts, isobars and weather radar while I'm driving to the airport...no need to call some goofball gummint type who can't read for a "briefing" anymore.

Anyhow, after seven years of loving a Toyota....which came after firing Ford in the mid 1990s for low quality...I am very happy with my F150 because it does what it needs to do very well.

BB

k-rico - 5-12-2010 at 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Anyone have anything to add?

Buy American!! Help out the millions of Americans that own Ford stock. the 10s of thousands Americans working for Ford, and the countless thousands of Americans that work for its suppliers.

The greatest of American brands.

bonanza bucko - 5-12-2010 at 07:40 AM

I think you should buy anything only if it competes. Tundra used to compete better than any American truck for my purposes....a bad road in Baja and the need for a "mid sized" truck. Now, I think the Ford competes best.

And also...I wouldn't touch a gummint motors anything with a long stick even if it was the best truck in the world and cost next to nothing!!!! My old boss is CEO of GM...and I still won't buy from them until and unless the danged White House and the Congresshole get the hell out of the car business.
BB

David K - 5-12-2010 at 09:23 AM

You really need a F-250 size truck Ken?

Nissan has poorer ground clearance, approach and departure angles, and less traction control options than the Tacoma. A-TRAC blows away any other factory's truck traction system...

All auto makers are international... Buy a Tacoma and help the people of Baja California with jobs in Baja... Where the Tacoma is made! :light:

[Edited on 5-12-2010 by David K]

Curt63 - 5-12-2010 at 09:33 AM

My 2004 Tundra was made in Indiana.

I love my rig, but its a serious gas hog.

2004 4x4 Double Cab Tundra 4.7 V8
Ivan Stewart Edition

Cheers, Curt

MitchMan - 5-12-2010 at 11:30 AM

Doesn't the concept of capitalistic competition mean that American car manufacturers have to compete successfully for our business by making better cars for better prices? They haven't made better cars than Toyota or Honda, regardless of price. Toyotas and Hondas last longer and need less frequent repair and have better gas mileage, especially in the lower costing range of cars. It is not as though US car makers are new to automobile construction.

I notice when MBA's take over our industries that short term profit motives prevail in order to generate bonuses and make a balance sheets look good in the short term in anticipation of mergers. I don't get the feeling that US industries these days are looking to make a better designed product that will last longer, cost less to maintain, and is offered at a competitive price. To me, it looks like the Japanese beat us at our own game.

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2010 at 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bonanza bucko
I wouldn't touch a gummint motors anything with a long stick even if it was the best truck in the world and cost next to nothing!!!! My old boss is CEO of GM...and I still won't buy from them until and unless the danged White House and the Congresshole get the hell out of the car business.
BB

that is silly, bucko. the bailout is a done deal, now it is in your interest to see GM succeed, so you are paid back and the USW economic recovery endures.

as a citizen you are a stockholder in GM. based on bailout amount and population, each citizen contributed something like $190+ to GM. if the GM cars are good it is in your interest to buy GM -- you are a shareholder, knucklehead!

k-rico - 5-12-2010 at 02:01 PM

Goat,

bucko said "I wouldn't touch a gummint motors anything with a long stick even if it was the best truck in the world and cost next to nothing!!!!"

and you're trying to reason with him???

Also,

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Fu...

:spingrin:

bigboy - 5-12-2010 at 05:27 PM

My nephew has a 2010 Tundra and a 2006 Tacoma. He said the quality of the new truck is not up to par of his older truck. He now says he's sorry he didn't go with the Ford F150 4X4.

TMW - 5-12-2010 at 06:03 PM

If your looking for a full size truck then the Ford would probably be the better way to go considering the quality issue with the Tundra and the GM and Chrysler situation. I think the Tundra is only made now at the Texas plant and there appears to be quality issues that need to be addressed. I would recommend you drive all the full size trucks first before making up your mind. But in the end only you are the one it needs to satisfy. Tundra aside if you do buy Ford, GM or Dodge the warranty will cover the problems you have until they are worked out, usually within 36,000 miles.

mojo_norte - 5-12-2010 at 06:18 PM

I have both . I'm fairly amazed at the quality and reliability of my F150. 160K leaks / burns no oil. Most of the parts are original - even the parts the parts that usual need replacing periodically. I'm still on my original starter alternator radiator water pump - knock on wood!

mojo_norte - 5-12-2010 at 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Doesn't the concept of capitalistic competition mean that American car manufacturers have to compete successfully for our business by making better cars for better prices? They haven't made better cars than Toyota or Honda, regardless of price. Toyotas and Hondas last longer and need less frequent repair and have better gas mileage, especially in the lower costing range of cars. It is not as though US car makers are new to automobile construction.

My experience is that this generalization is not true .

DanO - 5-12-2010 at 06:31 PM

I've got a 2001 F-150 Supercrew with 117,000 miles on it, a good chunk of that banging around on washboard. It has always been a tough and reliable truck, and pieces don't fall of like they seem to on others.

That said, right at the end of the extended five-year warranty I had the good fortune to develop a little top end leak, justifying a covered warranty replacement of the head gasket (and a little top end work while we were in there, wink wink), and had all the steering bushings replaced as they were showing some wear (also covered). After the warranty ran I had a couple of ignition coils go bad, and I just replaced the idler arm and the rear differential gasket, but I view none of these as major issues.

I'm still very happy with it, but just like anything else, I think the truck you buy will run better and longer the better you take care of it.

One thing I will change with the next F-150 I buy. My truck is black and shows every scratch, of which there are now too many to count due to (a) my stupid propensity for driving through scrub brush looking for firewood instead of getting out and walking and (b) my kids trying to throw their stuff into the bed but hitting the side of the truck instead. My next truck will be another F-150 Supercrew, but probably silver or white.

Oh, and a message for my wife: If you drive your F-150 into a parking garage with a sign that says CAUTION -- LOW CLEARANCE -- 6'4," don't be surprised when that sign scrapes half the paint off the roof of the cab. Good thing we didn't order the moon roof.

TMW - 5-12-2010 at 06:33 PM

On my 91 chevy I lost the alternator at 85,000 miles and put a Kragen unit in with a lifetime warranty. For the next 100,000 miles I replaced it under warranty every 10,000 to 12,000 miles until I bought a remanufactured one from chevy. It's still on the truck at 250,000 miles. I gave the truck to my son at 220,000.

Cypress - 5-12-2010 at 06:35 PM

The US taxpayers are keeping GM in operation, not in "business". They went out of business a few months ago. It's now on life support thanks to the govt. One of those welfare programs.

TMW - 5-12-2010 at 06:37 PM

If you plan on getting a Rhino lining sprayed in the bed or the same by any other name get the Ultra-violet protection. It keeps the lining from turning grayish. Also you might want to have them spray under the sides where rocks get kicked up.

Now back to the topic of which truck.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by TW]

mojo_norte - 5-12-2010 at 06:45 PM

I'm partial to Ford and Toyota but wouldn't hesitate to buy a new GM truck given the current value incentives and warranties.

mojo_norte - 5-12-2010 at 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
The US taxpayers are keeping GM in operation, not in "business". They went out of business a few months ago. It's now on life support thanks to the govt. One of those welfare programs.

Thought we were talking cars - not politics

bonanza bucko - 5-12-2010 at 07:52 PM

Mt Goat said:

"..that is silly, bucko. the bailout is a done deal, now it is in your interest to see GM succeed, so you are paid back and the USW economic recovery endures.

as a citizen you are a stockholder in GM. based on bailout amount and population, each citizen contributed something like $190+ to GM. if the GM cars are good it is in your interest to buy GM -- you are a shareholder, knucklehead!"

I guess I can stand being called knuckelhead by a goat. But I really need to remind that goat...and some others probably...that while the socialists were bailing out GM they stiffed the bondholders of GM to the tune of 90% of their investment and delivered the value of that to the UAW which had put the socialists in power. If you want to be a "shareholder" in a business that does "business" that way you are among the worst knuckelheads in history.

When I went to business school...at Harvard no less...we learned that the bond holders in a bankrupt business stand fist among its creditors....not last after a labor union...to divide up the assets of the failed firm. There are a whole bunch of other good and proper reasons to call goat's idiotic and sophomoric economics what they are but I don't think he'd "get" them so I'll resist the temptation.

I would think, however, that goat and all similarly situated idiots should buy stocks and bonds in as many companies as they can just before the socialists take them over.....The New York Times, The Washington Post, CBS, ABC and the LA Times are among the "businesses" soon to be bailed out....and to have their investors cheated to achieve the "fundamental transformation" of America by redistribution of income that the chief socialist announced was his goal. He announced that he was gonna give America's riches to "its rightful owners." The GM bailout of the UAW and its pension funds was just a start. I would think that Goat et al would be rushing to gain by investing where the Obama et al will do that next.

Goat has to have flunked all the math and economics some poor teacher ever tried to pound into his knuckelhead.

BB

Ken Cooke - 5-12-2010 at 08:36 PM

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I saw a commercial where the CEO stated that the loan was, "Paid in full." So, what gives? :?:

Cypress - 5-12-2010 at 09:05 PM

What gives? :?:

Truth.

wessongroup - 5-12-2010 at 09:12 PM

GM and Paying off the Loan

Heard this a few days back.. and have been seeing various "interpretations" on the subject... one can pick their own ....

There's a story out there, the automobile salesmen at General Motors, automobile salesmen at AP, an excited headline, breathlessly so: "GM Pays Back Government Loans from US, Canada." No, they didn't. Here, listen to the lede: "General Motors Co. has repaid $8.1 billion in loans it got from the U.S. and Canadian governments, a move its CEO says is a sign automaker is on the road to recovery." Now, if you only read the headline and the lead paragraph, you'd get the distinct impression that what? They paid it all back, right. You get the distinct impression that GM has fully repaid all the money they've gotten from the US and Canadian governments. Why would the AP want to mislead its readers like this? In fact, the General Motors outfit got a total of $61.5 billion from the US and Canada, but now it's shouted from the rooftop when they paid back a mere eight billion. That's what they've paid back. They have paid back a total of 13% of the government loan, and here the car salesman from the Associated Press report says they fully paid it back, which they have not. One thing that they don't point out here very stridently -- of course, leaving it to me who can read the stitches on the fastball -- they had the money to do this. Where did they get some of the eight billion to pay back? They did it by jettisoning 65,000 jobs, and the pensions that go with them, so they fired 65,000 people, got rid of their pensions and they said that they are paying it back. They haven't earned it. They're cutting and it's only because Obama owns the car companies along with the UAW that you can fire 65,000 union people.

But, on topic.... just bought a 1986 ford bronco for $1700 dollars off ebay... has 213,000 miles.. drove it down from Mission Viejo in Orange County to get a SENTRI Pass on it... it used 4.3 gallons to go 100 miles... have put around 500 miles on it and it has not used any oil.. starts every time.. for me... I'm cheap.. I like heavy steel units.. have had four Mexican men ask me where did you get that!!... they wanted to buy it right now.....

To me I like to spend the least amount of money on steel... it is just transportation... with this kind of car... throw your beer can in the back.. dents.. don't care... dirty ... don't care... it's four wheel drive and that works too... I not into racing at my age.. so for me its a cheap used Ford ... will take care of most anything I'm going to see, plus it is a fun one drive... the wife drove it for the first time to day.... Oh my god... keep them out of things that can move quickly and lets them be up real high ..... :lol:

It's all good, now to get the beast all filled up and go south a bit... took the back seat out... dogs like that... have to start looking around for one of those delux turbo air mattresses some folks seem to have in the back of their pickups when they tear the rear end out of their truck and use nails to put brake lines... now, let me see how was that... release parking brake when in 4 wheel drive... :lol:

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 5-15-2010 by wessongroup]

bajamikey - 5-12-2010 at 11:34 PM

2001 f-250 4x4 7.3 diesel 226,000 miles. The only thing i had to replace was a window wiper motor. If i ever need another p/u it will be a ford

Bajafun777 - 5-13-2010 at 01:01 AM

Ken, the next beach camping run you arrange with your jeep group let me know. I have a 1991 wrangler which can get onto the beaches but not the rock climbing, as it just would not make it,LOL. My 1987 Ford F-150 4x4 lasted a long time and went where I pointed it up and over but it did not last thru the 3rd son,LOL. Take care, bajafun777

landyacht318 - 5-13-2010 at 03:15 AM

Many years ago, I bought a Dodge because at the time, I couldn't find a Chevy. I'd always thought it was hard to go wrong with a Toyota, But I owned a Nissan before the Dodge. Well there was a VW, a Holden and another Nissan in between, but that was while overseas.

I'd never heard anything good about Fords, until they did not need Bail Out money.

I now cannot be pro Chrysler for obvious reasons, nor any GM product since the muscle car years and before the recent payment lies, and Toyota just seems like yet another company who decided they could cut corners and line exec's pockets and endanger the public, since they had the market share and had already bought all the politicians they needed to.

And then there's Ford. Once reviled by myself, I now find myself rooting for them to do well.

But, off topic, I do not believe the "You are what you drive" mentality so prevalent in California. My Vehicle is old, beat up yet mechanically sound. I insure it for 200 dollars a year, register it for 67 dollars a year, and will not have to worry about driving a flashy vehicle south of the border, if/when I can afford to do so again.

Sure I get poor gas mileage, but how could I possibly save money by buying a vehicle that has 10 times the insurance and registration fees, in addition to the monthly payments.

Some can be proud of their conspicuous consumption, but I'll pursue the opposite, and the people I meet along my journey, might actually be real people. If others I meet feel they have to define me by my possessions, I'll remain alone.

But somebody's got to fuel the economy, so consume, consume, consume!!

bonanza bucko - 5-13-2010 at 07:01 AM

Yep..LandYacht, BajaMikey,Wessongroup and I all ended up in the same place with a Ford!

I fired Found On Road Dead in 1998 after two Exploder 4X4 Limiteds in a row fell apart on That Road south of Puertecitos.

I bought Toyotas and finally my Tundra 4X4 in 2004. That was the best vehicle I have ever owned!...bar none. You ain't gonna believe this but I had a 1973 911T Porsche that I kept for 31 years and 200,000 miles that did not!! handle as well as that Tundra truck!. It made many trips down That Road and never even developed a squeak. But it got old...160K miles and a friend in Baja needed a truck so he got it. I found the new Tundras to be lacking as some here have reported. I had to hold my nose to go to the Ford dealer (no way I will buy anything from Gummint motors).

After due diligence and a lot of poking and prodding and asking of tough questions to salesmen who usually don't have answers I found the Ford to be the best truck now. Toyota needs to rediscover "six sigma quality" and to re-read the writings of Ed Demming after forgetting them.

The two gummint motors socialist wet dreams need to go bankrupt and start over.
BB

bonanza bucko - 5-13-2010 at 08:01 AM

Re the "Paid in Full" story: Wessongroup's info is the info I got from financial web sites....yer basic "major media" reporter is way too lazy, dishonest and mathematically stupid to either understand or report the facts here. Ed Whitacre, my old boss at AT&T made that ad. He is a damned liar! Not only did they not pay the loan back "in full" they also used borrowed money to pay back the 13% they did.

And that is on top of the stiffing of the bond holders...in violation of bankruptcy law...that facilitated the original "saving" of the company. Our economy, and capitalism itself, are based upon the laws that were trashed by Obama et al. If investors can't trust the law they will not invest; then there will be no money made; there will be no jobs created; there will be no consumer spending and there will be no taxes paid.

The only way out of the mess created by illegally stiffing GM's bond holders is a temporary one...printing money. And that produces inflation....and that produces panic and tyranny. If you wanna see the future of this bunch of crimes committed by our "leaders" in WASHDC read the history of Germany in the 1920s and 30s. If that doesn't scare you there is no hope for you.

OK...I'll get off my soap box and get back on topic....I love my Ford!

BB

edm1 - 5-13-2010 at 08:08 AM

Ken, after Bonanza Bucko's drooling over his 2010 F150 Lariat, and I've heard the same, you may want to compare its quality to the F250 version. It's easy to assume they're both Fords and should have the same quality features except the payload. But do a little more investigation. If they share the same quality featutes, great, buy it; but if not, I'd just settle for the F150 and beef up the suspension and make it like or better than an F250.

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2010 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
When I went to business school...at Harvard no less...we learned that the bond holders in a bankrupt business stand fist among its creditors....not last after a labor union...to divide up the assets of the failed firm.

the problem with US bankrupcy proceedings is that rules were written by rich white guys and rules favor rich white guys over common folk.
you should not defend an unjust bankruptcy process.

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by mtgoat666]

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2010 at 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
And that is on top of the stiffing of the bond holders...in violation of bankruptcy law...that facilitated the original "saving" of the company. Our economy, and capitalism itself, are based upon the laws that were trashed by Obama et al.

well i have been the small creditor stiffed in a few bankruptcy proceedings where first-in-line large creditors got all the $$ and small creditors got squat, and i don't give a rats *ss if the rich white guys got stiffed in GM deal. i think the rich white guys (large creditors e.g. bond holders) should take on risk and not force risk down onto the small creditors like individual employees, small businesses, etc

[Edited on 5-13-2010 by mtgoat666]

TMW - 5-13-2010 at 09:43 AM

From a quality standpoint I don't think there is a better built truck in the world than a Toyota Tacoma and DK will back me up or I him on that. You can read Cosumers Report or JD Powers and they will tell you the same thing. Ask any Tocoma owner and they will tell you the same thing.

David K - 5-13-2010 at 10:28 AM

TW is correct... and I got steered to Toyota from the Baja Amigos (pre-Nomads) like Neal Johns, BajaBoy, BajaTaco, Taco de Baja, jeans, Alejandra de Baja, and a whole lot more Tacoma owners!

I did go to Ford first to give a Ranger a look over, and they wouldn't take my Chrysler product in on a trade. I am so glad they wouldn't... drove right over to Toyota Carlsbad and they treated me well and took my van in as a trade without question... that was back in 2000 and 3 Toyotas ago (5 year leases, each).

The only other make that was a problem free as the Toyotas that I also owned three of was Subaru... awesome little 4WD wagons... over 100,000 miles on each.. I traded them in for newer features not because they wore out! I also had a Mitsubishi truck, totally problem free and a Mazda van that only needed a radiator replaced...

It is a shame that most American brand vehicles cannot compare to the quality and reliablility of Japanese makes! The other thing I liked about Subaru as that it came with everything I wanted included, not a ton of add-on options to jack up the price, like American brands have. The two worse made vehicles I owned were my Jeep Cherokee Chief and my Plymoth Grand Voyager van... unbelievably poorly made... and both American brands.

bigboy - 5-13-2010 at 02:37 PM

DK...............read all of the above posts. We're not talking about American trucks from thirty years ago but recent model years. All of my recent trucks are made by Ford and have been totally reliable.

1989 Bronco..........239,000 miles (lives in Baja)
1995 Bronco..........209,000 miles daily driver
2003 Excursion......49,000 miles tow vehicle

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2010 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by TW
From a quality standpoint I don't think there is a better built truck in the world than a Toyota Tacoma and DK will back me up or I him on that.

well, it is a bit extreme to claim best "in the world," but i do understand that you car-obsessed people tend to be overly consumed with your cars, and if you were foolish enough to buy a tacoma you probably need to tell youself that to console yourself, especially after the recall to fix DEATHTRAP braking problem (something still not fixed, but lucky for toyota has fallen off the front page) :lol:

but i suspect that the mercedes g-wagen or unimogs could beat toyota quality. i also think some of the the toyota land crusiers may have better quality due to their stronger construction.

i have a 4runner that is essentially a more civilized version of tacoma. the 4runner is mechanically and electronically reliable, but the quality of finish materials (e.g. thin plastic) is sub par relative to mercedes or land rovers or the toyota land cruiser.

yes, your toacoma is an OK truck, but so are lots of other trucks, and some even have more reliable braking and electronic thottle systems :lol:

mojo_norte - 5-13-2010 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by David K

It is a shame that most American brand vehicles cannot compare to the quality and reliablility of Japanese makes! The other thing I liked about Subaru as that it came with everything I wanted included, not a ton of add-on options to jack up the price, like American brands have. The two worse made vehicles I owned were my Jeep Cherokee Chief and my Plymoth Grand Voyager van... unbelievably poorly made... and both American brands.

I think this is an incorrect generalization. Granted, the 70's Chrysler ( Cherokee Chiefs) were POC's and I don't doubt that the Grand Voyageurs were 'poorly made' but is this 2 car sampling sufficient to make the general statement that 'most American brand vehicles cannot compare to the quality and reliability of Japanese makes' I have a 94 4runner and the 3.0 V6 engines are basically lemons - head gasket recall. power of a 4 cylinder with gas mileage of a V8 ( 15 mixed). Burnt valves due to very difficult adjustment requiring special tools and expensive shims. Granted, Toyota got it right with the 3.4 V6 but they kept the 3.0 around for 10 years. My experience with the Ford truck products from mid 80's on is that they will run 200K and beyond given reasonable maintenance and treatment.

Pompano - 5-13-2010 at 06:27 PM

I still drive my '99 Dodge 2500 Cummins 24-valve diesel...among a couple other PU's. The Dodge now has almost 500,000 miles on it with nary an engine problem. That engine is bulletproof.

However..I am now on my THIRD tranny...but..I'm a monster load at times. 24,500 lbs total - pickup/fiver/boat

Given all the info I am personally aware of..and from diesel owner's forum research..I would buy a Dodge diesel from years '99 to '04 (with low miles..meaning less than 75,000) or a similar Ford Powerstroke...nothing newer than '05 in a Ford. Just my opinion..YOU do what you have to.

My Toy Tacoma should last this long...I hoping...it just can't do the heavy job a 2500 or 3500 can, nor do I expect it to do. After all..it's a toy.

k-rico - 5-13-2010 at 06:54 PM

"My experience with the Ford truck products from mid 80's on is that they will run 200K and beyond given reasonable maintenance and treatment."

I'm going to buy a 2003 5.4 liter F-250 with 120,000 miles this week. Single owner truck and well maintained. The high mileage is worrisome but it runs well and I won't be putting more than 5000 miles a year on it.

Good to hear the 200K number, anyone else have a high mileage Ford V-8?

My 1991 F-150 5.0 liter has an odometer reading of ~28,000 miles. Don't know if there should be a "1" or "2" in front of the 28,000. Probably a "2" but it still runs good, so maybe a "1".

mojo_norte - 5-13-2010 at 07:40 PM

Go for it ! Have the tranny checked out .

k-rico - 5-13-2010 at 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by mojo_norte
Go for it ! Have the tranny checked out .

You bet, already have that set-up. I'll be loading it up with a 8 foot cabover and heading into baja with it so the transmission is my biggest concern. I was glad to see that the instruments include a transmission oil temperature gauge.

tripledigitken - 5-13-2010 at 07:53 PM

K-Rico,

Put a trans temp guage on it, if it gets to 200 degees put an auxillary cooler on it.

Ken

mojo_norte - 5-13-2010 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
"My experience with the Ford truck products from mid 80's on is that they will run 200K and beyond given reasonable maintenance and treatment."

I'm going to buy a 2003 5.4 liter F-250 with 120,000 miles this week. Single owner truck and well maintained. The high mileage is worrisome but it runs well and I won't be putting more than 5000 miles a year on it.

Good to hear the 200K number, anyone else have a high mileage Ford V-8?

My 1991 F-150 5.0 liter has an odometer reading of ~28,000 miles. Don't know if there should be a "1" or "2" in front of the 28,000. Probably a "2" but it still runs good, so maybe a "1".

I always try and buy used from responsible appearing original owners.
My F150 5.0 V8 only has 169K but runs like new. The finish and interior have held up well also - I'm amazed. I get 13 MPG carrying a light overhead camper 17 - 19 w/o.

David K - 5-13-2010 at 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by mojo_norte

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Just because facts are important to me, my 1975.5 Jeep was made by American Motors who bought the Kaiser-Jeep Corporation (formerly Willys Motors) in 1970. The Jeep Cherokee was introduced in the 1974 year model and replaced the Jeep Commando (formerly called the Jeepster).

The Cherokee was named 'Four Wheeler of the Year'. The mid year 1975 new Jeep 'Cherokee Chief' used the axles from the J10 Jeep Truck to give it a wider track and had larger wheel wells to seperate it from the standard Cherokee which was basically a 2 door Wagoneer.

This was the third Jeep in our family. The first was a 1965 Wagoneer and the second was a 1970.. The first took us all over Baja in the 1960's and the second was junk. My dad dumped it and got a 1972 4WD Chevy Suburban... while he liked the big size, the motor was flawed, but Chevy (GM) refused to warantee their poor work. He got a 1973 Ford LTD wagon and that was his last car... took us to Loreto before the highway was finished... great car with a 460 cid Lincoln engine!

Chrysler bought American Motors-Jeep in 1986 (I think), primarily to get the Jeep brand. American Motors cars were relabled as Eagle brand (named after the 4WD/AWD passenger cars called Eagle by AMC) and were sold at Jeep-Eagle dealers... eventually the Eagle half was dropped.

I really like the Jeep brand and hope one day they will be built as well as Toyota so that I could consider buying one, again! :light:

mojo_norte - 5-13-2010 at 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by mojo_norte

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Perhaps you might base your assumptions on a Jeep vehicle made in the last quarter century

David K - 5-13-2010 at 09:13 PM

Well, they say live and learn... and fool me once shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me!

I see how often Ken and other Jeep owners are not driving their Jeeps. Jeep owners have to have other cars for the times the Jeep is down.

My truck is for work and play... my only vehicle, and the Toyotas have never broken down in over 245,000 combined miles and 10 years!

Timo1 - 5-14-2010 at 07:22 AM

My first Ford diesel was a '75 6.9litre
It finally blew a head gasket at 565,000 km
my current '90 diesel 7.3 liter has 265,000 km
my bronco 2 '88 has 262,000 km
Am I happy with Ford product ??
Darn tootin !!
Biggest repair yet is a little front end work to the bronco and a clutch

David K - 5-14-2010 at 07:43 AM

Yup, as I said above... the '73 Ford wagon was great, as was the '65 Wagoneer... My mom had a '66 Mustang (289 V8) bought new and had it the rest of her life. The only good American brand cars in my years have been the Kaiser Jeep and the Fords!

bigboy - 5-14-2010 at 09:41 AM

Combined mileage of my Ford trucks and cars over the years..........million miles+, no major problems! I'll continue with Ford Motor Company!

TMW - 5-14-2010 at 02:45 PM

This is an interesting thread. When I was getting ready to purchase my wifes new car in 1991 I asked several people I knew and my fellow workers that had cars three years or less old how they liked them. The thing that stood out about the Toyota was that everyone who had a Toyota said they loved it. No one else ever used that comment about their car. Not Ford, chevy, Nissan, honda, dodge etc. I liked it so I purchased a new 91 Camry. We had the car 8 years and the only problem we had was a recall to change a resistor in the radio. In 1997 we gave the car to our daughter when she graduated from college. She kept it until 2005 when she purchased a new Lincoln Navigator. She was making the big bucks in nursing and I guess Toyota was not high class enough. Oh well.

I paid around $17000+ for it and my daughter sold it in 05 for $3,500.

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by TW]

Barry A. - 5-14-2010 at 03:20 PM

My '97 Camry had it's tranny blow up at 65K while driving down a city street---------$3300 out the window in a flash!!! The Toy folks said, "my, that's unusual", but since it was 6 weeks or so out of warrantee I paid the whole bill out of pocket.

Other than that, it's been a dream------105K on it now, and counting. I do love it------

-------but, I also love my '94 Ford F-250 and NOTHING has ever gone wrong with it mechanically except I had to recharge the AC three years ago. It does have some structural problems, tho, which I had to beef up, plus beef up the suspension, and now all is ok.

My Nissan X-terra is now 3 years old and NOTHING has ever gone wrong with it, and----------I LOVE IT!!!!! But I had to beef up it's suspension to the tune of about $1000, and now it is perfect.

Barry

k-rico - 5-14-2010 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
-------but, I also love my '94 Ford F-250 and NOTHING has ever gone wrong with it mechanically except I had to recharge the AC three years ago. It does have some structural problems, tho, which I had to beef up, plus beef up the suspension, and now all is ok.

Barry

How many miles on the Ford? Are the structural problems with the sides of the bed? I remember someone once posted about beefing up the sides of Ford beds to hold a heavy camper shell.

I have a cabover Callen shell, the kind with the barn doors, that I'll be putting on the 2003 F-250 I'm buying. I'm assuming Callen shells are heavier than most since they are bigger and steel framed.

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by k-rico]

Barry A. - 5-14-2010 at 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico

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K-rico-------you may be referring to my previous posts several years ago. I have a custom made CALLEN CAMPER shell cab-over that weighs in at 800 lbs.-----and yes, on the Baja bad roads and old off-road race tracks where the truck was torqued this way and that in the whoops, the sides of the beds which support the camper collasped up front near the cab and down the sides partially---only the rear part of the bed survived intact-----front of bed crushed down about 3 inches on both sides & front. After getting home I had to remove the camper, then remove the bed-box, and have the bed box totally reinforced with structural steel by a professional welder and trailer-maker inside and out, and then put everything back together again-------that was about 10 years ago and I have had no problems since, and I have been over some terrible roads since then. The truck only has 67K on it as I use it only for vacations. This same camper was on a 1969 Ford 1/2 ton for years with no problems----much stronger truck in every respect.

I love my camper, but I would recommend having the bed reinforced on your truck before you put it on as it is pretty easy to do with no camper on it. The bed is very easy to remove, and then they can really do a good job on it. After repairing the existing bed, we used multiple 2x2 square steel tubing as cross members welded to the existing cross members which are only pressed metal, and extended them out from the pressed metal supports several inches on each side, but still under the skin of the bed so they don't show but provide good support to the sides----and then we sandwiched the front of the bed between two pieces of 3/8th aircraft aluminum using big rivets all over-------strong, strong!!! Last summer I torqued the truck so badly on a horrible road in Capitol Reef Natl. Park that it totally tore the boot between the cab and the camper apart, but zero structural damage to either the camper or the bed superstructure, so our beef-up job really worked, but was still flexible.

Good luck--------you are going to love that CALLEN CAMPER, I predict.

Barry

k-rico - 5-14-2010 at 04:00 PM

Barry,

I have the camper on my '91 Ford and will be putting it on the 2003. As you know the back of the camper frame sits on the bed itself, I can see where the front could use some support that transfers the load off the sides/front of the bed to the floor. I'll do that.

And you're right, these things make great campers! This photo is from our mainland trip last year.

BTW, the '91 is for sale. I haven't priced it yet.

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by k-rico]

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Barry A. - 5-14-2010 at 04:22 PM

K-rico--------

I drive my truck into some really horrible places, and it is a 4x4 with a 3 inch lift, and big tires and suspension. Even so, for several years I had no problems, and with use on normal dirt roads without big torques of the truck by going over big rocks, or the horrible whoops on the Baja roads used by the racers, you might do just fine for years and years without the beef-up job.

I also have the full top cargo carrier built by CALLEN of the same heavy material used in the shells------that had to contribute at least a 100 + more pounds .

Barry

k-rico - 5-14-2010 at 04:26 PM

I had the top cargo carrier on mine and took it off, never used it. It is heavy and I thought raised the center of gravity too much, especially on the lightly sprung F-150. Plus I was burning gas carrying it around.

[Edited on 5-14-2010 by k-rico]

Barry A. - 5-14-2010 at 04:58 PM

I use my Cargo carrier all the time-----every trip------either for my Gregor boat, carry firewood, canoes, kayaks, etc. whatever I need to take in the way of toys that I don't want to get in the way inside my camper. Friends have even slept up there (I have a permanent ladder on the side) if we stop for the night and find lots of bugs, snakes, wild coyotes, cougers, etc. and the folks get spooked. :lol:

I find my Cargo rack invaluable, both in Baja and in North America. I have never had a high center of gravity issue that I know of, but yes, it is really heavy, and I am sure has high wind-resistance. My truck gets 10 mpg no matter how it is loaded, with or without the camper------ALWAYS 10 mpg except in Wyoming and Colorado where I consistantly get up to 13 mpg----(different formulation????---high altitude???). I have the big 460 Cubic inch engine with 5-speed manual tranny and 355 rear end gears.

Barry

Hook - 5-14-2010 at 10:02 PM

I have a 2000 F350 with the 7.3 diesel. It only has 166k on it. I have had a few nagging issues with it. In almost all cases, internet research showed the problems to be approaching common. They are:

-replaced water pump at 100k (common when using the anticavitation radiator additive
-lost an injector at 150k (that is not common)
-front wheel bearing assembly (sealed, non greaseable) going at 140k. (fairly common)
-front ball joints shot at about 150k (common)
-capacitors that actuate the power door locks are failing (common)

Not trouble free, that's for sure.

Ken Cooke - 5-15-2010 at 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by David KI see how often Ken and other Jeep owners are not driving their Jeeps. Jeep owners have to have other cars for the times the Jeep is down.

My Jeep runs fine. I just had a Ravelco alarm system installed this week on it as a matter of fact.

[img]http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/tech/8811560+w200/0602sr_06_z+alarm_systems+ravelco_anti_theft_kit.jpg[/img]

Bob and Susan - 5-15-2010 at 05:44 AM

you mean you have to plug that little cap in to drive the car

what if you loose the cap off that ring

David K - 5-15-2010 at 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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Originally posted by David KI see how often Ken and other Jeep owners are not driving their Jeeps. Jeep owners have to have other cars for the times the Jeep is down.

Ken, Ken... I promiss I will report any and all mechanic issues with my Tacoma... Please do the same with the Rubicon to be fair.

My truck now has over 7,000 miles on it and has been in the shop for only one thing besides oil changes, a tranny drip coming from the speedometer cable input plug for right hand steering models. Toyotas never drip anything on the garage floor, so it was a shocker!

My '05 with 102,000 miles on it had only one non-warantee 'failure': the air bag warning light came on and that required replacing a wire harness. The truck never broke down, but I did beef up the rear suspension with air bags and 5100 Bilstiens.

My '01 with 136,000 miles on it had a water pump replaced at 90,000 miles when a drip was seen during a maintenance service (it also never broke down). That's it!

David K - 5-15-2010 at 07:51 AM

Here is something posted on another forum from a guy who goes on Jeep and Toyota trail runs...

"Yeah and unless you are prepared to drop serious cash to upgrade drive train you will be replacing everything under that Jeep. One of my runs with Jeeps turn into food fest since half of the Jeeps broke on the trail (granted it was one of the toughest trails out there)."

"Toyota guys run out of food and drinks since we spent driving for 10 min and sitting for a 1 hour waiting for Jeeps to get mended I am not gonna go again with these cars on joint run."

7 years of mostly off road-related repair work

Ken Cooke - 5-15-2010 at 08:28 AM

Mechanical issues included;
2 leaking gas caps - both covered under warranty.
2 broken climate control switches that wore out over time.
1 gasoline sender unit vapor reader producing check engine light
1 worn track bar (warped tires/lift kit issue)
1 steering stabilizer (off road use issue)
2 blown MX6 shock absorbers (lift kit issue)
6 damaged stock rubber body mounts (Baja off road issue)
1 drivers side steering knuckle (due to crushing it on boulders in Tecate while rock crawling)
1 bent tie rod (again, due to rock crawling and bending it on rocks)
1 replaced windshield due to a flying rock on the freeway.
1 worn Optima Battery (red top), replaced with a Yellow Top Optima Battery.

Not bad for 110,000 miles IMO... :bounce:

[Edited on 5-15-2010 by Ken Cooke]

Ken Cooke - 5-15-2010 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Here is something posted on another forum from a guy who goes on Jeep and Toyota trail runs...

"Yeah and unless you are prepared to drop serious cash to upgrade drive train you will be replacing everything under that Jeep. One of my runs with Jeeps turn into food fest since half of the Jeeps broke on the trail (granted it was one of the toughest trails out there)."

"Toyota guys run out of food and drinks since we spent driving for 10 min and sitting for a 1 hour waiting for Jeeps to get mended I am not gonna go again with these cars on joint run."

Go on a run with the Rubicon Owners of California, and you won't see the number of breakdowns mentioned. Here's proof, not heresay:

[Edited on 5-15-2010 by Ken Cooke]

David K - 5-15-2010 at 08:40 AM

Thanks Ken... and sorry that you have had so many things to deal with!

Looking forward to four wheeling with you again! Remember Guadalupe Canyon to El Mano Canyon back in '03 or '04?

How is Brock and his Isuzu Trooper? He had some fun stories about going out with all you Jeep guys!

Ken Cooke - 5-15-2010 at 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by David K
How is Brock and his Isuzu Trooper? He had some fun stories about going out with all you Jeep guys!

He won't talk to me anymore. Something I said to his gf regarding her 'Bandido paranoia' finally getting to me after 48 hours... :yes:

David K - 5-15-2010 at 08:45 AM

Guess it was good that he was solo on that trip then?

So, back to the original question... do you need a big truck like an f-250 or will an F-150 work?

How about getting the one good thing I would buy from Ford if I could... A RAPTOR!!!??? :cool:

toneart - 5-15-2010 at 10:53 AM

I love my 2001 Ford F150 Super Crew Cab Shortbed with a camper shell that matches the model. I think the camper shell was made for Ford.

It still has the original suspension system, but I don't beat it up. I do take it on washboard dirt roads and often tow a trailer or a boat. It is painted silver and still looks like new with the exceptions of a few brush scratches.

It now has 96,000 miles on it. I change the oil and filters every 3,000-4,000 miles. The only problem I have ever had was that the coil boots deteriorated and caused severe misfiring on a trip to the state of Washington. This is normal wear and tear.

The interior is so-o-o comfortable! I keep the back of the rear seat down flat. My dog Paco considers it his personal penthouse suite as he has it all to himself. As long as the weather is not too hot and he has plenty of water and the rear windows open about 3", he is perfectly comfortable waiting for me, sometimes for hours. He prefers that to staying home. :yes:

I can't see upgrading or trading it in for anything newer. It looks, feels and drives like new, and it is paid for. :smug:

David K - 5-15-2010 at 11:08 AM

Nice!!

BajaWarrior - 5-15-2010 at 11:15 AM

'99 F250 V-10. 117,000 when sold with only one problem during it's use, Mass air flow sensor. I purchased this truck new for Baja use only. Replaced with '06 F350 Diesel, same usage, no problems at 65,000 miles. Lots of towing and hundreds of miles of washboard road.

The '88 toyota 4x4 4 cyl. has had 0 problems in 150,000 miles. Full time in Baja for 16 years now. Purchased new.

[Edited on 5-15-2010 by BajaWarrior]

mojo_norte - 5-15-2010 at 12:25 PM

Very Nice!

bigboy - 5-15-2010 at 02:05 PM

Baja Warrior,

I like your rig and toys! I have 2003 Excursion V10 that I use for heavy towing. I have two boats that gross 8,000# and 6,000#. No problem with the V10.

BajaWarrior - 5-15-2010 at 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by bigboy
Baja Warrior,

I like your rig and toys! I have 2003 Excursion V10 that I use for heavy towing. I have two boats that gross 8,000# and 6,000#. No problem with the V10.

Thanks!

I liked my '99 w/V10. I could get gas anywhere and oil changes anywhere but the drawback was power on the grades in hot weather. I now have the same truck but in the diesel and I do love the power it has but it doesn't get that great of mileage, 14 tops traveling not towing.

wessongroup - 5-16-2010 at 02:31 PM

Wish all trouble free driving... be it a VW or a Tank... but, in some cases a breakdown can be fun.. if you don't get upset over a piece of machinery having a problem... they all do at some point in time...

I don't go where you guys go, nor to I have anything a nice as what you guys have... really nice setups.. and they all sound like you really like your vehicles and take good care of them...

Think that helps a lot with any of them... you got to take care of them.. they like it... I talk to mine... now how weird is that... and it has a name too.. Brownie II... Brownie 1 was a 1990 Cad Sixty Special I bought used and drove it until I gave it to my Son with 287,000 he put another 100,000 on it.. before his girl friend some how did not see a curb while driving 60 miles an hour.. and took the right front end off the car... she walked away with out a scratch...

The use Bronco I just got... 213,000 and it runs like a champ.. and get 23.4 on the open road.. in down 13-14 mpg.. but, the dogs just love it.. as do I .... the wife.. no.. it's a truck, and she can get dirty in it... :lol:

getting it setup for emergency's ... the Tsunami warning and then the 7.2 earthquake make me think I should have a set of wheels that might be good in an emergency and I did not want to spend a lot of money either... so for $1,7000 I got a 4 x 4... nothing as nice as what you guys have... but, it works good.

Got the SENTRI pass on it, then brought it down... has been working out really great having two cars.. one for me, when I can drive, and one for the wife.. that is clean and is not used for anything other than Calimex.. yeah I know "and the problem is?"..... ok, ok... but this is working out for all and that is good...

Just hope I have a good one, and it gives me good service ..... I don't tear up vehicles like I did when young.. yeah, I know it's fun to go fast, and even more fun to go fast where no one else can..... but, it's old age.. and driving around here at this time of the year.. little clouds in the morning, with the sun coming out around 10-12 with that nice part of the day going on till evening... man, what nice weather... not to hot for me.. but tee shirt is not enough for me anymore.. have to wear something else in the morning.. and take it off later... but it's all good

Again, thanks for show off your rigs they are truly nice.. the quality of things that are out there to day, were not really out there in early days... yeah, there were things out their, but not a 4 x 4 with the degree of comfort and amenities which we get to get even if it is a 1986 Ford Bronco... its not like a new one, but one hell of lot more comfortable than an old 4 X 4 Army surplus wagon.. with no top, canvas over your stuff, and hoped it didn't rain too long :lol:

Man the nice rides we get today, aahhhh Tone... my Austrian sheep dog has the "shotgun" seat all to himself... no one else... my Jack Russell "Scout" the super dog, like like to roll in dog crap... he's right next to me on the console... happy campers... putting down the road at the unheard of speed of "what is posted"... which is about how I like to drive around here .... slowly with the windows down, the dogs getting a nose full and me getting to fire up a cigar with no one in the world telling me NO... watch the dogs, they will die.. look out there is someone else on the road... there are cars behind us.... no... it's just us being us... and it's ok....

So with that here is what we are "tooling down Baja 1" in and if the occasion is right, stopping for a cool one.. got to do that the other day.... made me feel like a new man... was great...

So here is mine, and hope that all's keep rolling in the direction you point them

[Edited on 5-16-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 5-16-2010 by wessongroup]

mojo_norte - 5-16-2010 at 05:56 PM

Nice Bronco !-- 302 V8 ? FI or Carb? I think they started the FI in mid 86.
The top comes off!

wessongroup - 5-16-2010 at 06:22 PM

302 WITH FI.. It does, but never has...

Ken Cooke - 5-16-2010 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by David K
So, back to the original question... do you need a big truck like an f-250 or will an F-150 work?

How about getting the one good thing I would buy from Ford if I could... A RAPTOR!!!??? :cool:

To buy a pickup, I'd have to sell the Rubicon to make the downpayment. Not gonna happen. Leidys is now a pickup crazy urban cowgirl.

David K - 5-17-2010 at 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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To buy a pickup, I'd have to sell the Rubicon to make the downpayment. Not gonna happen. Leidys is now a pickup crazy urban cowgirl.

I am confused Ken, this is your post:

>>>Ford or Toyota - Which would you buy?

I hear the Toyota gets better mileage than the F250. Anyone have anything to add? <<<

If you are not going to buy it, is Leidys? Or are you just creating a fireside chat?

Mision Santa Maria is less than 2 weeks away!

Ken Cooke - 5-17-2010 at 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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To buy a pickup, I'd have to sell the Rubicon to make the downpayment. Not gonna happen. Leidys is now a pickup crazy urban cowgirl.

Nothing serious, just conversation with the guys. I'm not selling my Rubicon, period. But, I haven't driven a pickup in several years, and I wanted to know about what everyone thinks of theirs. Leidys wants her own, but I'm not looking at making more payments - she has to get a job first.

-Ken

David K - 5-17-2010 at 06:11 PM

That's the ticket...

From Nomad comments, it seems that the:

Best 'mid size' Baja truck is the Tacoma... (TRD OFF ROAD 4WD)

Best 'full size' Baja truck is either the Ford or Dodge

Gas mileage

wessongroup - 5-17-2010 at 06:56 PM

Hey, just an update on the old Bronco with 213,000

Today drove over the Primo Tapia, to get gas at Pemex for the Bronco… have been driving it for a couple of weeks since we came back down after getting the SENTRI Pass for it.

Had put 98 miles on it and it was showing less than ¾ tank by a bit…

Figured it was going to take may be $40-$50 to fill it… it took $20 dollars with PEMEX conversion on the dollar and their calibration of their pumps…. Don’t think they have Weights and Measure Department in County/Municipality of Rosarito …. May be wrong but, have never seen a Weights and Measures Truck with all the associated testing equipment EVER…

It only took $20 dollars.. I just made enough for drinks and lunch and Cantilles…

The wife, however wanted to go Climex in Rosarito, and I wanted check out a $450 2-bedroom residence with utilities included plus Internet…. Well you all know the old saying, “If it sounds to good to be true, Well you know… LOL… but, fun…. Looking around…

The wife set a record in Calimex. Was in and out within 30 minutes… the cart guys were asking me what I did, my wife was running around asking “where is the Bacon” ….. LOL

We got out of there and headed as quick as I was going to drive on Highway Mex 1… given the deplorable condition of the road in places…. There is oblivious signs of subsidence from the last quake… and the potholes are not potholes, rather “PITS” in some cases I’ve seen holes as deep as 12-14 “ and 3’ in circumference that’s just a guess, couldn’t stop to measure… was trying to avoid… have had to have the front end redone on the car once so far… this is hard on any vehicle. Not matter what the setup. It wears parts out. or knocks them out to cause other problems.. and money…

Well, we ended up at Cantilenas, the place was full, It was Men’s day… never heard of that one… but, I thought it was pretty good.

As for us, we knew what we wanted, a Cadillac Margarita and a Tecate in a bottle for me and a Strawberry margarita for the wife…

Lots of folks, and lots of talk… we finally got something to eat… Onion rings… yep, something us old folks just have to have Onion Rings… only better thing would have been “corndogs”.. with really good mustard…

We had a really great time again… and had the funniest thing happen..

These guys were leaving and came back in and asked, “Hey, is that your Bronco outside?” I said yes, …. They guy needed a “jump” …. I said for sure and the wife went ahead as I pretty slow …. When I got outside I was “stupefied” …….. My wife had just given a jump to new Toyota Tundra… from a 1986 Ford Bronco with 213,000 miles

A really funny experience when I walked outside and saw the truck… never even dawned on me, the on going thing about Toyota and Ford… still laughing …. What timing…

It’s all good… check the pictures

The pictures are what they are… I started taking when looking at a rental …… the bar and jump is toward the end

http://gallery.me.com/wswesson#100469&bgcolor=black&...

BajaWarrior - 5-17-2010 at 07:37 PM

Our Toy(ota, #2) we purchased a few months ago. Heading back South after minor service (turned out to be the master cylinder) at home in San Diego

irenemm - 5-17-2010 at 08:52 PM

Wessongroup
That Bronco is beautiful. For an 86 it looks great. Ford will always beat a toyota.

wessongroup - 5-18-2010 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by BajaWarrior
Our Toy(ota, #2) we purchased a few months ago. Heading back South after minor service (turned out to be the master cylinder) at home in San Diego

Nice setup.... and a good looking rigs too... keep them rolling...

classicbajabronco - 5-23-2010 at 12:34 PM

I had a chance to ride in the new Raptor....absolutely insane...if you can afford it get it...I can't afford it.

My Baja trucks are now

1991 toyota 4runner 1.5" lift brand spanking new v6
1997 Ford f250 diesel 4x4
1966 Bronco Locked and loaded to the hilt

My past vehicles
1997 f150 longbed 4.6l
1999 f150 shortbed 4.2 liter( this truck rocked!)

classicbajabronco - 5-23-2010 at 12:38 PM

for the record....

My toyota with 5k on the engine gets 12 in own and 16 on the highway.
My f250 diesel with all the goodies gets 19 on the highway, haven't watched in town as I hardly drive it in town.
My Bronco gets 8mph, but it is an atv with 400+ ponies
My F150 with a 4.2l got 18mph
my f150 with a 4.6l got 16mph

Why Toyota... for four wheeling: A-TRAC

David K - 5-24-2010 at 11:00 PM

'Active Traction Control' is included on the Off Road TRD 4WD Tacoma starting in 2009... Gives you the traction of front and rear lockers... Note this stock 4Runner with non-aggressive tires at Moab using the A-TRAC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMvtTKzVy2M&feature=playe...

[Edited on 5-25-2010 by David K]

classicbajabronco - 5-25-2010 at 06:17 AM

Is that really a stock 4runner? It looks like it is lifted, and has a set of aftermarket tires and wheels....

David K - 5-25-2010 at 06:36 AM

I based my comments on what I saw in the video, the tires look like A/T and not M/T... You could be correct, but it is closer to 'stock' than a rock crawler. It is a good demo of how well A-TRAC works... in the final seconds you see the front right tire come off the ground and rotation is closely matched with the other tire.

You should join us this weekend, it is a 15 mile A-TRAC or Locker trail!

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2010 at 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by classicbajabronco
for the record....

My toyota with 5k on the engine gets 12 in own and 16 on the highway.
My f250 diesel with all the goodies gets 19 on the highway, haven't watched in town as I hardly drive it in town.
My Bronco gets 8mph, but it is an atv with 400+ ponies
My F150 with a 4.2l got 18mph
my f150 with a 4.6l got 16mph

your toyota is getting bad mileage. a 4runner should get better than that. perhaps you drive like a jack rabbit? or do you have silly big tires and a drag parachute on roof rack? :lol:

classicbajabronco - 5-25-2010 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I based my comments on what I saw in the video, the tires look like A/T and not M/T... You could be correct, but it is closer to 'stock' than a rock crawler. It is a good demo of how well A-TRAC works... in the final seconds you see the front right tire come off the ground and rotation is closely matched with the other tire.

You should join us this weekend, it is a 15 mile A-TRAC or Locker trail!

I would love to join you guys on that trip. however that is a long ways north for me. And I would need to trailer the bronco...and I don't have a trailer as of yet.

I run a detroit in the rear, open in the front as I haven't found the need for an ARB or OX locker yet.

I noticed the tire lift off the ground and I was going to mention it didn't look like he had sway bar disconnects.. as well i don't think the new toyotas ran solid axles so this must be an IFS...if so very impressive.

[Edited on 5-25-2010 by classicbajabronco]

classicbajabronco - 5-25-2010 at 02:44 PM

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your toyota is getting bad mileage. a 4runner should get better than that. perhaps you drive like a jack rabbit? or do you have silly big tires and a drag parachute on roof rack? :lol:

The Toyota is a 3.0V6( read gutless), it is running 31" tires on a 1.5" lift. The numbers I gave are the numbers Toyota lists on this vehicle in stock form with this engine and an Auto. This rig is my wifes. It no longer runs a catalytic convertor, has Bosch Platnums, K&N airfilters and gets the same milage as a stock 4runner.

My old Toyota 4x4 with the 22re 4 banger got 22mpg and had close to the same power.

Barry A. - 5-25-2010 at 03:42 PM

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That seems low for a 4-runner. My 2007 Nissan X-terra "off road" Model with a 4.0L V-6 & auto 4-speed tranny gets a solid 20 mpg on the highway at 65---15+ in town. Push it up to 75 and the MPG drops to around 17.

My '94 F-250 4x4 with 460 V-8 and manual 5-speed tranny & 355 diffs. gets a solid 10 mpg, no matter what I pull, or not pull, but it is soooooo smooth and quiet. :lol:

Barry

David K - 5-25-2010 at 07:19 PM

My 2010 Tacoma double cab has the 4.0 V-6, 5 speed automatic, part time 4WD, with 7,500 miles on it, and gets 15-16 city, 16-17 mixed, and 17-19 hwy. so far... This is about what my 2005 Tacoma got.

classicbajabronco - 5-25-2010 at 09:33 PM

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[My '94 F-250 4x4 with 460 V-8 and manual 5-speed tranny & 355 diffs. gets a solid 10 mpg, no matter what I pull, or not pull, but it is soooooo smooth and quiet. :lol:

Barry

You definatley got me on the quiet part, but I definately got you on the mileage and power part. As well I am sure you can go a hell of alot faster. I am about topped out at 75mph...not that there's any need to go any faster.