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Mexical American relationship concerns

henshaw - 7-8-2010 at 11:20 AM

Need Feed back, Please!
We love Baja and love the people, We spent last winter in Baja and are planning on spending the winter in Los Barriles (Nov to April) but are getting really concerned about the stability of the Mexican - American relationship. I’m reading articles that say the banks (Bancomer for one) are requiring FM3’s and passports to accept American money. Is this true? If so, we can’t expect to survive and do business having only a simple FMT or whatever it’s called today.
Additionally the travel concerns that arise from the on-going rape of the America travelers in Ciudad Constitucion on a daily basis has us worried. Is this attitude going to spread throughout Baja? Is this the Mexican payback for the Arizona situation? Hmmmmm.
I was under the impression that the Mexican economy has gone to hell in a hand cart and they are in dire need of the tourist dollar. But with the latest data it doesn’t seem to hold up that theory. It has gotten so bad that we’re considering spending the winter camped out on a side street in East Los Angeles, at least there you don’t have to wonder when you will get robbed.
We are considering cancelling our reservations in Los Barriles but would appreciate your feed back before doing so.

DianaT - 7-8-2010 at 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by henshaw
It has gotten so bad that we’re considering spending the winter camped out on a side street in East Los Angeles, at least there you don’t have to wonder when you will get robbed.


OUCH :wow:

Arizona is nice that time of year.

[Edited on 7-8-2010 by DianaT]

gnukid - 7-8-2010 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by henshaw
Need Feed back, Please!


Definitely stay where you are.

Bajatripper - 7-8-2010 at 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by henshaw
I’m reading articles that say the banks (Bancomer for one) are requiring FM3’s and passports to accept American money. Is this true? If so, we can’t expect to survive and do business having only a simple FMT or whatever it’s called today.
Additionally the travel concerns that arise from the on-going rape of the America travelers in Ciudad Constitucion on a daily basis has us worried. Is this attitude going to spread throughout Baja? Is this the Mexican payback for the Arizona situation? Hmmmmm.
I was under the impression that the Mexican economy has gone to hell in a hand cart and they are in dire need of the tourist dollar. But with the latest data it doesn’t seem to hold up that theory. It has gotten so bad that we’re considering spending the winter camped out on a side street in East Los Angeles, at least there you don’t have to wonder when you will get robbed.
We are considering cancelling our reservations in Los Barriles but would appreciate your feed back before doing so.


First things first, you can get by just fine with an ATM while you are down here. No need to visit any banks.

Now, about those daily rapes of Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitucion. Where on Earth did that come from? Do you have sources? If so, please share them with us, I'm sure there are lots of us who would appreciate that. I live in La Paz and have heard no such thing. What IS going on in CC is the local police have decided to use tourists as a revolving dollar account, inventing bogus reasons to pull them over to take $50 out of their wallets or purses. Nothing else.

About your idea of sleeping on a street in East LA. That sounds like an adventure. Why don't you do that and report back to us, troll?

[Edited on 7-8-2010 by Bajatripper]

wessongroup - 7-8-2010 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Quote:
Originally posted by henshaw
Need Feed back, Please!


Definitely stay where you are.


:lol::lol:

DENNIS - 7-8-2010 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by henshaw
I’m reading articles that say the banks (Bancomer for one) are requiring FM3’s and passports to accept American money. Is this true? If so, we can’t expect to survive and do business having only a simple FMT or whatever it’s called today.


What type of business do plan on while on vacation? If it's day to day living, use the ATMs.
I live here comfortably with no Mexican bank account.






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Additionally the travel concerns that arise from the on-going rape of the America travelers in Ciudad Constitucion on a daily basis has us worried. Is this attitude going to spread throughout Baja? Is this the Mexican payback for the Arizona situation? Hmmmmm.


The extortion in CC has nothing to do with what's happening in Arizona. It's a case of a cultural trait gone berserk. The police know full well it will be stopped, probably sooner than later, and they're milking the situation double time.
Additionally, I don't think the Mexican driver is immune from this robbery.







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I was under the impression that the Mexican economy has gone to hell in a hand cart and they are in dire need of the tourist dollar. But with the latest data it doesn’t seem to hold up that theory.


Easy money is...well...easy. These cops arn't directly involved with the tourist industry. Most Mexicans in Baja arn't directly involved with the tourist industry. Your comfort is their last concern


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We are considering cancelling our reservations in Los Barriles but would appreciate your feed back before doing so.


Don't know why you would do that. We arn't living under siege and neither will you and your family.

Then again, the public plunge in South Central might be fun around August. :lol:


I could have avoided this long drawn out diatribe had I first read Bajatripper's post above. Oh, well....

[Edited on 7-8-2010 by DENNIS]

baitcast - 7-8-2010 at 11:57 AM

Yes AZ. is nice that time of year just don,t camp to close to the border could get shot,go inland there you only have to worry about getting kidnapped.:o
Rob

JESSE - 7-8-2010 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by henshaw
If so, we can’t expect to survive and do business having only a simple FMT or whatever it’s called today.


Stay home.

Woooosh - 7-8-2010 at 12:20 PM

So much for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos... eh? The Mexican banks are making it hard to convert cash dollars to pesos in an effort to stifle money laundering, that's all. Baja Norte is still somewhat violent, but it always was and always will be... so long as no tourists are caught up in the violence it does not get reported in the USA as it is considered "local interest". The CC shakedowns are a current nomad sore-spot and quite a different matter- there is another active thread dedicated to it. With the peso hovering around 13:1, everything in Mexico is basically 30% off right now... so just come on down and get your share.

irenemm - 7-8-2010 at 12:36 PM

If you want to get robbed or killed GO TO EAST L.A. for sure,

bajafam - 7-8-2010 at 01:37 PM

Another casualty of the US media, it seems to me. If you are that afraid, go ahead and stay in your home and leave all the Baja hospitality to those of us that appreciate it.

Spending any amount of time in Baja is dictated by your attitude. If you come in with an open mind and heart, you will get that back tenfold. If you come in with a chip on your shoulder about how you SHOULD be treated, or with fear in your eyes, you will get THAT back as well.

Not to say that bad things don't happen to good people. I'm not that naive. However, I find that bad things can happen anywhere...including your own home. You can chose to live life, or wait to die.

Viva Mexico!

Mike99km - 7-8-2010 at 02:22 PM

Henshaw,
I believe that your first driving trip was last year. You did that trip in-spite of all the negative stuff. It hasn't changed that much, the post about CC is just a heads up. It's been going on for a long time. Have them take you to the police station so the rest of us can slip-by when They're dealing with you:lol:
Enjoy all that Baja has to offer, leave all the know it all's to know it all and not live it. Some of the people that post here haven't been to Baja for as much as a day trip in years. They post like they live there.Good news doesn't go anywhere, bad news makes the best stories and post. Go have a great time and keep your head around you and you'll be fine.

[Edited on 7-9-2010 by Mike99km]

BajaBlanca - 7-8-2010 at 02:42 PM

wow ..... so....we live her 365 days out of the year and we feel no danger. anytime. anywhere. we do a lot of traveling (Vizcaino, G Negro, San Ignacio and further south to La Paz - we even took the train to Copper Canyon 3 weeks ago) and so far, life is good. life is great. no worries. Drive safe, during the daytime, follow common sense rules and you should be fine.

Woooosh - 7-8-2010 at 04:33 PM

That might be a little too rosey. None of my Mexican family and neighbors feel THAT safe these days to be bragging about it. A lull in the action in your area is not really safety, but like Nana Roseanne Roseannadana once said "It's always something!" Always anticipate possible problems and you'll be steps ahead of the bad guys.

dtbushpilot - 7-8-2010 at 04:47 PM

Your anxiety will ruin your vacation, go somewhere in the US.....

chnlisle - 7-8-2010 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by irenemm
If you want to get robbed or killed GO TO EAST L.A. for sure,


Don't be so quick to jump on the US just to try to make a buck off some gringo who happens to fall into your tailer park, Irenie. How about working on that honesty factor, so perhaps, just maybe, every once in awhile Bajanomads can get the mero, mero truth?

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México, primer lugar en el mundo en robos con violencia

En 67.7% de los casos los ladrones usan armas de fuego, revela el Grupo Multisistemas de Seguridad Industrial.


Mexico is in first place in the world for armed robberies.

In 67.7% of the cases, robbers use firearms, revealed Grupo Multisistemas de Seguridad Industrial( a Mexican company).

http://www.nuevoexcelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_not...

Mexicorn - 7-8-2010 at 05:11 PM

Great news about my US Bancomer COMPAS account. I no longer pay fees to use Bancomer ATM machines in Mexico. I just keep a balance of 2K in the US Bancomer account and I can take out all the pesos I want. My main branch is at the Plaza Las Americas in San Ysidro next to Baja Duty Free where I get my booze and smokes. I love Mexico! I highly recomend all Gringos living in Mexico dump B of A. Now we can truly leave all those Stateside games up north. :biggrin:

Mexicorn - 7-8-2010 at 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by chnlisle
Quote:
Originally posted by irenemm
If you want to get robbed or killed GO TO EAST L.A. for sure,


Don't be so quick to jump on the US just to try to make a buck off some gringo who happens to fall into your tailer park, Irenie. How about working on that honesty factor, so perhaps, just maybe, every once in awhile Bajanomads can get the mero, mero truth?

Quote:
México, primer lugar en el mundo en robos con violencia

En 67.7% de los casos los ladrones usan armas de fuego, revela el Grupo Multisistemas de Seguridad Industrial.


Mexico is in first place in the world for armed robberies.

In 67.7% of the cases, robbers use firearms, revealed Grupo Multisistemas de Seguridad Industrial( a Mexican company).

http://www.nuevoexcelsior.com.mx/index.php?m=nota&id_not...


Welcome Newbie- Do I know you? You sound like someone I know....:biggrin:

East L. A. NOW, that's just DUMB !

MrBillM - 7-8-2010 at 05:34 PM

And, Certainly not original having been voiced as a retort to the "Danger in Mexico" queries many times before.

WHO the F would be considering a vacation in East L. A. ? I can picture that conversation.

"Well, I'm worried about the [Whatever] in Foreign Countries ".

"Yeah, just think what it would be like if you went to some U.S. Ghetto Sh-thole" !

"Oh Well, that makes sense. I was thinking about East L. A., Harlem or South Philly, but Now, I'll go to Mexico ".

Bajajorge - 7-9-2010 at 09:30 AM

I know this isn't the political section of Bajanomads, but just to answer henshaw's question:

If the marooons in Washington would just explain to the average Joe Mexican Citizen that the US is not against Mexicans, but they are against ILLEGAL MEXICANS, things would be much better. But, to politicize the Arizona Law, Washington prefers having the Mexicans think what they are presently thinking.

DENNIS - 7-9-2010 at 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Bajajorge
ILLEGAL MEXICANS


Perhaps that should be ammended to, "All things illegal."
Of course, the immigration activists would want to sue somebody for referring to their carnales as "Things."

Mendacity not marooonic

MrBillM - 7-9-2010 at 12:17 PM

The REASON that the Ruling Party wants to promote the idea that an attack on Illegals is an attack on Hispanics is simple politics.

The Dems, and Hussein in particular, have benefited at the polls from the Hispanic vote. B.O. received 67 percent of that group. Knowing that the Dems are going to lose a significant portion of other Independents from 2008 in November, this is an attempt on their part to stir up base support.

Simple as that. Fear and Anger are always the best motivators.

DianaT - 7-9-2010 at 12:25 PM

Here the thread goes---down, down, down into the sewer.

Woooosh - 7-9-2010 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
The REASON that the Ruling Party wants to promote the idea that an attack on Illegals is an attack on Hispanics is simple politics.

The Dems, and Hussein in particular, have benefited at the polls from the Hispanic vote. B.O. received 67 percent of that group. Knowing that the Dems are going to lose a significant portion of other Independents from 2008 in November, this is an attempt on their part to stir up base support.

Simple as that. Fear and Anger are always the best motivators.


:?: Do illegals vote in the USA? Do Mexicans have any power at the polls? If they did, how would AZ have passed this new law? Most people who have applied for and entered the USA legally highly resent those who have taken shortcuts and thumbed their noses at their new host country. So does that make legal aliens conservatives? :?:

Actually, No Disagreement There

MrBillM - 7-9-2010 at 12:43 PM

What polling has been done has consistently shown mostly majority support among the Various Hispanic communities for enforcing the Immigration laws and that is WHY the Obamaniacs are "Attempting" to draw a link between the AZ (and like) laws with Anti-Hispanic Discrimination. IF they are successful in moving only a few percentage points, it can make the difference in many races.

irenemm - 7-9-2010 at 01:20 PM

chnlisle
I grew up in Los Angeles well Wilmington, Carson area and then on to La Puente. My brother in laws are retired LAPD. Both worked EAST LA not the best place to be.
I will only tell you the truth about here it is safe. I have lived here for almost 30 years and feel very safe. If you don't, don't come. I would never lie to someone to make a buck maybe you would. Those who want to come will.
I was quoting henshaw who though he would just camp on the streets of East LA.
Maybe you should have read his post first.
Well now I know you check out our web page.

Woooosh - 7-9-2010 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
What polling has been done has consistently shown mostly majority support among the Various Hispanic communities for enforcing the Immigration laws and that is WHY the Obamaniacs are "Attempting" to draw a link between the AZ (and like) laws with Anti-Hispanic Discrimination. IF they are successful in moving only a few percentage points, it can make the difference in many races.

So the polls show legal Mexican immigrants are willing to discriminate against illegal Mexican immigrants? Then who besides the government of Mexico is complaining?

DENNIS - 7-9-2010 at 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

So the polls show legal Mexican immigrants are willing to discriminate against illegal Mexican immigrants? Then who besides the government of Mexico is complaining?


Immigration activists. Reconquistas etc.

Woooosh - 7-9-2010 at 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Woooosh

So the polls show legal Mexican immigrants are willing to discriminate against illegal Mexican immigrants? Then who besides the government of Mexico is complaining?


Immigration activists. Reconquistas etc.

Don't they think Mexican immigration has been active enough with 11 Million illegal in the USA already? How much more active could it get without moving the US border down to Guatemela? ;)

DENNIS - 7-9-2010 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
How much more active could it get without moving the US border down to Guatemela? ;)


The Reconquistas want their land back. They want to erase history.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16245

chnlisle - 7-9-2010 at 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by irenemm
I will only tell you the truth about here it is safe.


Well, there is truth and then there is TRUTH. Remember this post? You can find it here.

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In three years of renting a house in Mexico and traveling there monthly I never had any problems. 2003 to 2006 must have been off years for banditos. This last trip made up for it in triplicate.

I am going to make this as short as possible. On the way down to Mulege my wife and I stopped for the night to camp at El Paballon RV park, on 17th of February. When we woke up the next morning at 5:30, there were two Mexican guys acting like they were looking at some old whale bones at the parks entrance. We could tell they were checking us out. My only thought was that we were lucky we woke up so early. We broke camp and were on the road only a few minutes later. We had only taken out the necessities, as we were just camping for the night. We were driving a late model Toyota Tacoma extra cab. As the road turns up into the hills that go over to El Rosario I notice in my rear view mirror a truck rounding the corner behind us that was going way too fast. I immediately said a commented about it to my wife, and recalled a story I had read on the internet where some guys tried to stop an American on the Toll road outside of TJ. We decided to speed up and try and stay ahead of them. No matter how fast I went they were still catching up with us. At that point I decided that there was no way I was going to let them pass. I pushed my truck as hard as I could, and then a little bit more. They were right on our bumper now. At the exit of every curve, they would try and come along side of us, but I would gun it and our truck had more pick up than theirs. Thank God. I had more of a load than they did though, so they would catch up on the curves. My wife was looking back and could see the passenger had a rifle between his legs, and that they were the same two guys from that morning in the camp ground. We were in a race for our lives. Finally we could see the top of the mesa where the army check point is. I floored it and we started to pull away from the banditos. At which point they turned around. We told the army guys what had just happened, but they were uninterested.
This was a total set up. The care taker of the place heard me tell the people travelling south with us, all our plans. They went on to Rosario to get a room for the night while we camped. She overheard the time we were leaving, the direction, and took a good look at all the stuff in the back of our truck. The two guys were definitely waiting for us in the morning.
On the way north we saw the same mid 80’s model red Toyota parked off the highway at the entrance to the road out to El Paballon RV park. No doubt they were scouting for their next victim. Be safe out there, and be very careful if you camp at this spot.

DavidE - 7-9-2010 at 05:52 PM

Oye! No hookup!
Aqui es esprea para trolls...

PSSSSSTTTTTT>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Vete a la..........

bajalera - 7-9-2010 at 06:02 PM

A rifle could be seen between the dude's legs? Now that's damn good eyesight!

DENNIS - 7-9-2010 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by bajalera
A rifle could be seen between the dude's legs? Now that's damn good eyesight!


I remember that post although I can't recall the poster.

rifle

desertcpl - 7-9-2010 at 06:04 PM

no it was John Holms

I am not making fun us this at all,, I am taking this on face value, I was not there, and I am sure what she saw was the truth, I am sure it was way scary

[Edited on 7-10-2010 by desertcpl]

fishabductor - 7-9-2010 at 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
no it was John Holms
[Edited on 7-10-2010 by desertcpl]


I thought John Holmes was dead? Was elvis driving?

irenemm - 7-9-2010 at 11:43 PM

chnlisle
I am sorry that happened to you. But I am not in Pavallon. I am more than 30 miles north of there. I am talking about here in my town, I know how I feel safe here in my town. Pavallon is out there by it self. I have a night watchmen and even when we did not I feel safe. I feel safe traveling by my self. I have be doing it for almost 30 years.
I am always aware of what is going on around me. As one should be.
Do you speak Spanish? Perhaps at the check point they did not understand you. Especially if you told them they had a rifle.
I would not camp anywhere by myself.
When we were kids we would go north to visit our grandparents. my parents did not have money and we would just pull off the side of the road on Hwy 99 in California and sleep in the car. I would never do that now even if we could. I will not stop where I do not see many people.
I never said there is not crime of opportunity. That is what takes place a the Paballon prehaps.
Do you still come to Baja or not?
Maybe you should stop where I believe it is safe. At the Posada Don Diego
Irene

Ken Cooke - 7-10-2010 at 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Mexicorn
I highly recomend all Gringos living in Mexico dump B of A. Now we can truly leave all those Stateside games up north. :biggrin:


B of A is now a partner with Santander Serafin - I pulled out my Pesos from Santander without any fees to speak of. :bounce:

bajafam - 7-10-2010 at 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
:?: Do illegals vote in the USA? Do Mexicans have any power at the polls? If they did, how would AZ have passed this new law? Most people who have applied for and entered the USA legally highly resent those who have taken shortcuts and thumbed their noses at their new host country. So does that make legal aliens conservatives? :?:


This "new law" wasn't voted on by the people of AZ. It's a Senate Bill.

Bajatripper - 7-10-2010 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
What polling has been done has consistently shown mostly majority support among the Various Hispanic communities for enforcing the Immigration laws


While there are few things that Mr.BillM and I would agree on, what he says about the attitudes of pochos (offspring of Mexicans living in the U.S.) towards the less fortunate undocumented workers from Mexico seems to be true.
Over the years, I've had many undocumented Mexican friends. Those who have been deported have said that, while INS agents who were White, Black, Korean, or Filipino treated them with dignity and respect, INS agents of Hispanic heritage often treated them poorly.

The Gull - 7-10-2010 at 11:22 AM

Henshaw,

Have you considered Detroit? It may be more interesting than East LA.

I agree with many of the other posters - stay out of Baja. You aren't the kind of person who needs to visit here.

Open-minded people survive much better down here, especially when they don't judge EVERYTHING by American standards, as if that is really a highly regarded standard to hold dear, any longer.

DENNIS - 7-10-2010 at 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull

I agree with many of the other posters - stay out of Baja. You aren't the kind of person who needs to visit here.



It's not just you, Gull, but from the start, I thought that sentiment was kind of harsh. All he did was ask a concerned question and he was set upon be over-reaction and nastiness.
Are you concerned that he and his family will be competeing with you for lunch at the landfill? :lol::lol:

By the way, Gull....I'm happy that you arn't dead as reported. It gives me something to hope for. :lol: Jes kiddin'.

[Edited on 7-10-2010 by DENNIS]

mtgoat666 - 7-10-2010 at 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by The Gull
Open-minded people survive much better down here, especially when they don't judge EVERYTHING by American standards, as if that is really a highly regarded standard to hold dear, any longer.


gull apparently fancies himself to be "open-minded." ha, ha!

DENNIS - 7-10-2010 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

gull apparently fancies himself to be "open-minded." ha, ha!


Jeeezo Creeesto...Are the Gull and the Goat at odds with each other? How are we going to get the trash cleaned up around here? :lol::lol:

BajaBlanca - 7-10-2010 at 02:48 PM

where is EL PABALLON rv park located ????

Bajatripper - 7-10-2010 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS


It's not just you, Gull, but from the start, I thought that sentiment was kind of harsh. All he did was ask a concerned question and he was set upon be over-reaction and nastiness.


You are right, Dennis, there has been a bit of hostility expressed on this thread. But I don't think that it has been aimed at the question so much as the comments that followed.

I don't pretend to speak for others. What I found so offensive was his comparison of camping in Baja to camping on an E. LA side street, where "at least you'd know who was going to rip you off" or words to that effect.

He also expresses concerns for the safety of American travelers "who are being raped on a daily basis in CC" and wonders if this is an attitude that is likely to spread to the rest of Baja.

I think his remarks were intended to elicit precisely the reaction he got from some of us.

Frankly, Dennis, I'm surprised by how lax you are being with this individual--especially since he's a newbie. You usually keep us in line when we say stupid things.
Now break out your whip and get to work!

[Edited on 7-10-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-10-2010 at 03:27 PM

It is very difficult for me as a 38 year experienced Baja Sur Resident and Tourist to understand the Flithy and Scummy use of words by Tripper.

"who are being raped on a daily basis""

That is one of the main things about this Youngers generation of Commie.Socialists that are trying to change our Great USA, they throw out those charged words that have No Truth Whatsoever' and what is even worse is that there are many who believe those Scummy Lies and Words.

I often wonder "What do these kind of People do for a Living. I see their HATE and think about the Condition of their Heart.

Bajahowodd - 7-10-2010 at 03:41 PM

Henshaw-

Unless you will be happy about being overrun by rude, nasty, redneck gringos in Los Barriles, please do cancel your reservations. Mexicans are not the problem!

The Gull - 7-10-2010 at 10:03 PM

Howard,

Dennis will be admonishing you soon for your direct comments.

The Gull - 7-10-2010 at 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by The Gull
Open-minded people survive much better down here, especially when they don't judge EVERYTHING by American standards, as if that is really a highly regarded standard to hold dear, any longer.


gull apparently fancies himself to be "open-minded." ha, ha!


Goat, again you prove ignorance cannot be corrected. I made no such assertion as to being open minded.

DENNIS - 7-10-2010 at 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Frankly, Dennis, I'm surprised by how lax you are being with this individual--especially since he's a newbie. You usually keep us in line when we say stupid things.
Now break out your whip and get to work!



Not my job to keep the peace here. I just thought the guy took an uncalled for beating...for pretty much nothing.
When did you folks fall in love with East LA, anyway? Why is that incorporated sewer worth defending? Is it national pride?
Save those sentiments for Mt Rushmore.

Woooosh - 7-11-2010 at 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by bajafam
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Originally posted by Woooosh
:?: Do illegals vote in the USA? Do Mexicans have any power at the polls? If they did, how would AZ have passed this new law? Most people who have applied for and entered the USA legally highly resent those who have taken shortcuts and thumbed their noses at their new host country. So does that make legal aliens conservatives? :?:


This "new law" wasn't voted on by the people of AZ. It's a Senate Bill.


I didn't realize that. It doesn't seem like the people are disagreeing much with it so I though they had approved it (beyond electing their gov't officials that is).

henshaw - 7-11-2010 at 06:54 AM

Well guys, here’s my take on the response to the original questions. I asked for feedback and got it in spades.
Before I start I want to let everyone know that we do love Mexico and will be spending the winter in Los Barriles and hope to meet some of you during our stay. However it was very interesting to see how the various responses ranged from sarcasm to criticism, honest opinions by some, some sincere people that really wanted to help and did so. Last but not least some used it as a platform to voice political opinions not related to the original subject. Strange how that works, a little pot stirring goes a long ways.
I believe the one thing that was accomplished was thought processes were stimulated and perhaps some minds were opened but the good part was everyone was able to grasp the opportunity to express their feelings and they can’t be criticized for that. I believe that’s healthy and informative. I did get the information I wanted and for that I’m grateful.

So to coin a biblical phrase, Babylon!

bajabass - 7-11-2010 at 07:16 AM

Or, much more fitting, Babble On! :light:

DENNIS - 7-11-2010 at 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by bajabass
Or, much more fitting, Babble On! :light:


I think that's what he meant. :lol:

David K - 7-11-2010 at 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
where is EL PABALLON rv park located ????


Just south of San Quintin Bay and just north of El Socorro.

bajabass - 7-11-2010 at 07:34 AM

I thought he was refering to the perfection that is life in Baja, Babylon. Then again, it's early!:yawn:

Bajajorge - 7-11-2010 at 09:04 AM

When in Baja I treat the locals with respect, and I get the respect back from them. Mexicans are a very proud people and they don't take kindly to visiting gringos who show up with the "I'm better than you attitude", or" we don't do it that way in California" attitude.

If more of us gringos would sit down with our Baja Mexican friends and explain that we like Mexicans, but we don't like illegal Mexicans, it would be something they would understand.

fishabductor - 7-11-2010 at 09:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajajorge
When in Baja I treat the locals with respect, and I get the respect back from them. Mexicans are a very proud people and they don't take kindly to visiting gringos who show up with the "I'm better than you attitude", or" we don't do it that way in California" attitude.

If more of us gringos would sit down with our Baja Mexican friends and explain that we like Mexicans, but we don't like illegal Mexicans, it would be something they would understand.


I'd leave that last part out.

Respect where respect is due.

MrBillM - 7-11-2010 at 09:33 AM

Whenever someone says "When in Mexico, I show the people respect ................"

Is that As opposed to NOT showing people respect elsewhere ?

People should ALWAYS be shown the respect due them, whoever and wherever they may be and nobody should be applauded for acting appropriately. It should simply be expected.

BajaBlanca - 7-11-2010 at 09:33 AM

Thanks David ... at least now I know where we are talking about !!

IMO: Americans are proud, Brazilians are proud, The Argentine are reknowned for being outpspokenly proud, Italians are proud, The South Africans are proud (esp. of the vuvuzela) - NO ONE likes to be told their way of doing something is the best .... as a teacher of English to many foreigners over the years, I taught tolerance. Nowhere is necesarily better - just DIFFERENT. The negative comments by some of the tourists who visit our country would make you quake in your boots ...

For the first time, I agree with Mr.BillM!

Ken Cooke - 7-11-2010 at 09:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Whenever someone says "When in Mexico, I show the people respect ................"

Is that As opposed to NOT showing people respect elsewhere ?

People should ALWAYS be shown the respect due them, whoever and wherever they may be and nobody should be applauded for acting appropriately. It should simply be expected.


Well said, Bill!:yes:

Bajatripper - 7-11-2010 at 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It is very difficult for me as a 38 year experienced Baja Sur Resident and Tourist to understand the Flithy and Scummy use of words by Tripper.

"who are being raped on a daily basis""

I often wonder "What do these kind of People do for a Living. I see their HATE and think about the Condition of their Heart.


Skeet, Skeet, Skeet, my poor ignorant man. I'm going to try to explain something to you, so I need you to pay close attention. Are you with me? Hang on, here we go!

Did you notice the little """" marks I used around the offending words? Those are called quote marks. They are used when one quotes another person's words. Do you see where I'm going with this?
That "Filthy and Scummy use of words by Tripper" aren't MY words, you marooon, they are the words of the poster who originated this thread. You did read the original post, didn't you? If not, or if you've forgotten if you did or not, go back and read it now, and then I'll expect you to apologize (yeah, right, like that's going to happen).

I've tried to keep this simple for you, but if you have any questions on how to use quotes, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm here for you, buddy.

As for what this poster does for a living. I'm a military retiree, so that definitely takes me out of the category you usually harp against, hu?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-11-2010 at 11:47 AM

I apologize for my less than accruate words.

What I was refering to was "Being raped in Constitution and now Brutalized in Constitution,

Ignorance is Bliss!!

Bajatripper - 7-11-2010 at 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS



I just thought the guy took an uncalled for beating...for pretty much nothing.
When did you folks fall in love with East LA, anyway? Why is that incorporated sewer worth defending? Is it national pride?
Save those sentiments for Mt Rushmore.


No, no, no, Dennis. It isn't E. LA we have fallen for, but rather, resent the comparison between that place and our beloved Baja. Ooops, there I go speaking for the mouse in my shirt pocket again. He bit me on the nipple the last time I did that, must be asleep now.

And I, for one, don't consider starting a rumor about raping Americans in CC "nothing." And I know Skeeter doesn't, either.

Bajatripper - 7-11-2010 at 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I apologize for my less than accruate words.

What I was refering to was "Being raped in Constitution and now Brutalized in Constitution,

Ignorance is Bliss!!


Apology accepted, and appreciated. My point was that the original poster stated matter-of-factly that tourists were being raped in your beloved city, which I questioned. I wanted to see references, but so far, none have been forthcoming.

DENNIS - 7-11-2010 at 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
And I, for one, don't consider starting a rumor about raping Americans in CC "nothing." And I know Skeeter doesn't, either.


I think the term, "Raping or Raped," has to be taken in a metaphorical sense rather than literal.
Rape, as in sexual assault, has never been mentioned or implied. I think it's disingenuous to dwell on that term for it's literal interpretation here in this thread.
Skeet may not get it, but I think you do and did from the beginning.


Here is a good example of what I'm saying:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Nanking_(book)

http://tinyurl.com/24bglxc


[Edited on 7-11-2010 by DENNIS]

Chnlisle and Kat: same troll?

Lee - 7-11-2010 at 01:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chnlisle
Don't be so quick to jump on the US just to try to make a buck off some gringo who happens to fall into your tailer park, Irenie. How about working on that honesty factor, so perhaps, just maybe, every once in awhile Bajanomads can get the mero, mero truth?


Two insults from two seemingly different people -- at least two log-ons disrespecting Irene.

What's up with the veiled accusations towards a Nomad running a RV park/motel in Vicente?

''Honesty factor?''

What is it with the cheap pot shots at Irene and Posada don Diego?

Bajatripper - 7-11-2010 at 01:47 PM

Quote:


I think the term, "Raping or Raped," has to be taken in a metaphorical sense rather than literal.
Rape, as in sexual assault, has never been mentioned or implied. I think it's disingenuous to dwell on that term for it's literal interpretation here in this thread.
Skeet may not get it, but I think you do and did from the beginning.



[Edited on 7-11-2010 by DENNIS]


Au contraire, mon ami. I have to say that I took him literally and not figuratively.

One of the examples you provided seems to support my understanding of the word. In the article "The Rape of Nanking," it states in the opening paragraph that the Japanese Imperial Army killed over 100,000 civilians and raped from 20,000-80,000 women. That would, in my opinion, be a fair use of the word.
But to trivialize it in the way that the first poster did would never occur to me. I wouldn't equate the literal trama that a woman who is raped must go through with the simple shakedown of passing tourists taking place in CC.

But then, I've been the oddball out most of my life, and the fact that nobody (but Skeet under my influence) picked up on it seems to indicate that your POV is more inline with the mainstream.

I wonder what your average Baja Nomad woman would think of this discussion?

As for you thinking that I "got it" from the beginning but apparently just wanted to stir the pot some, you'll realize as you get to know me better that I don't put on airs of stupidity just to make a point; I'm actually that stupid.

[Edited on 7-11-2010 by Bajatripper]

[Edited on 7-11-2010 by Bajatripper]

Woooosh - 7-11-2010 at 03:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
Pardon all of my posts on this thread, my fellow Nomads. I'm just trying to get to that magical #100 so I can reach the next level of Nomad hierarchy.

you can delete them after and they will still count. ;) :bounce:

Bajatripper - 7-11-2010 at 03:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
Pardon all of my posts on this thread, my fellow Nomads. I'm just trying to get to that magical #100 so I can reach the next level of Nomad hierarchy.

you can delete them after and they will still count. ;) :bounce:


I thought I was being funny. Were you?

Woooosh - 7-12-2010 at 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
Pardon all of my posts on this thread, my fellow Nomads. I'm just trying to get to that magical #100 so I can reach the next level of Nomad hierarchy.

you can delete them after and they will still count. ;) :bounce:


I thought I was being funny. Were you?

I thought I was... guess not :rolleyes:

[Edited on 7-12-2010 by Woooosh]

Baja Tourist Raping and other Ravages

MrBillM - 7-12-2010 at 12:09 PM

OK.

There is weasel room on "The Rape of Nanking" because there were a lot of ACTUAL Sexual Rapes.

Does this mean that the "Rape of the Environment" is OUT ?

How about "Psychological" Rape ? "The Rape of the Mind" ? No physical penetration there.

MORE to follow.

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 12:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
OK.

There is weasel room on "The Rape of Nanking" because there were a lot of ACTUAL Sexual Rapes.



It was convenient, but thanks for illustrating my point better than I did.

Bajahowodd - 7-12-2010 at 03:51 PM

There are a number of words in the English language that are hot- button. They trigger a reflexive response. I'll not list them here. But the pity is that our language is rich with multiple meanings, but too many people viscerally react to a word. Methinks that those who would jump on the use of a word have never attended a comedy club.

bajabass - 7-12-2010 at 04:59 PM

Possibly sodomized would have been a more descriptive, appropriate word to use. :light::lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 7-12-2010 at 05:24 PM

Think about it!

Charged words are used to "Win People to your side of the Question"", that is the reason so many of the Young Weak-Minded use it.

There are so many uneducated Youngsters, that the ones wanting Control{Socialist etc} use the charged words to get control of their Weak Minds.

After gettin that control then the "Protestss' Start over very small matters., but look at the control as the Blabber-Mouthed Protesters starting shouting about things they have no Knowledge about..

What will they be like at 50 years of age?? Living on Welfare??

Skeet

Iflyfish - 7-12-2010 at 05:29 PM

Saw Lenny Bruce at the Hungry I in SF once. He took stage waving one of those mics with a ball on the end over the crowd. "I have just been arrested in Chicago for doing this; they called it a public masturbatory gesture". He was obviously blessing the crowd with metaphorical holy water. He went on "now where is the obscenity?, whose mind is it in?".

Prescient he was, too bad he also was such an incouragable junkie.

Iflyfish

DavidE - 7-12-2010 at 05:31 PM

Dirty, dirty, dirty D-I-R-T-Y calzones y playeras puede viste. What does the "winner" get from this diatribe and who is the judge? After all is typed and griped the electrons go to sleep in some annoymous server and life goes on...

Nothing has changed, not even a single opinion. Coin a new phrase RUTTING. Butting heads and there isn't even a doe. A beautiful summer day, resplendent with an aroma of possibly heading south of the border, heading for the nearest enramada, ordering an ice cold cerveza, plate of cebiche and watch the pelicans diving for their lunch. Listening to the sizzle and crackling of the desert in the mid day sun, a distant shrill of a cicadia. The warm rich odor of mesquite, and sage. Zopilotes wheeling and soaring on updrafts. The wax and wan of a car radio blaring ranchera music as it rattles its way down a disty terreceria.

The lapping of wavelts against a gold sand beach, the tang of salt air fills the nostrils. Offshore a bait ball grows and shrinks, zigzagging its way to oblivion.

No telephones, no opinions, no news is excellent news, no marching on enemy strongholds with fellow bearers of a sympathetic opinion. All that is worthless here.

Iflyfish - 7-12-2010 at 05:36 PM

Skeet,

I want you to know I don't consider you either young nor weak minded. Must be some other reason for the hyperbole.

Iflyfish

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 05:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish
too bad he also was such an incouragable junkie.

Iflyfish



Wouldn't that be a personal, private choice?

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
cebiche


You seem to have a desire to run your Spanish throughout English conversations and I'm curious as to your Castillion spelling of the above word.
I know of the inter-changeability of the B and the V, but a Mexican would choose the V.
What are you? A practicing student?

Anyway, there's a Spanish language forum here. Practice your Spanish there. We are no longer impressed.

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by DENNIS]

Iflyfish - 7-12-2010 at 05:51 PM

DavidE,

What a marvelous word picture. Like one of Russ or DianeT's beautiful sunrise shots or a good Pompano's travelogues. Well said, well said.

Dennis,

Did Lenny Bruce choose to be a junkie? Do dorado choose to hang under floating fauna? Do moths choose to immolate themselves on flames? Do we choose to waste ourselves on trivial pursuits till we can no longer tolerate the inertia? Will we die with visions of lost loves before us? Will we be greeted by Donald Duck at the pearly gates. These of course are the great mysteries of life and well worth pondering over cold cervesa and a fresh civiche. Salud!

Iflyfish

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish
Dennis,

Did Lenny Bruce choose to be a junkie?



Of course he did. What am I missing here?

UnoMas - 7-12-2010 at 05:57 PM

Skeet.....you off your med's again? :lol::lol::lol:
Where do you get off thinking that all young people are liberal, drug shooting, speeding, worthless hippies! Get a grip amigo, it is you that is out of touch.:light::o

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 06:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by UnoMas
Skeet.....you off your med's again? :lol::lol::lol:
Where do you get off thinking that all young people are liberal, drug shooting, speeding, worthless hippies! Get a grip amigo, it is you that is out of touch.:light::o



Then again...maybe it's you, Uno, if you're going to take him seriously.
Doncha get it? It's Skeet being Skeet. Enjoy it.

UnoMas - 7-12-2010 at 07:25 PM

:lol::lol::lol:
I guess you are right Dennis, I do like to hear his personal stories of living in Baja.::tumble:

DavidE - 7-12-2010 at 08:57 PM

Lo Siento Mucho Estimado Dennis, Pero...
I do not speak english for eleven months out of the year. And month twelve perhaps 29 out of the 31 days. Probably eleven out of 12 of my neighbors spell cebiche that way and it may be all twelve. I am impressing no one. And I thought this internet forum was about Mexico...donde la gente hablamos español.

Desde la costa de Michoacan Mexico

MsTerieus - 7-12-2010 at 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It is very difficult for me as a 38 year experienced Baja Sur Resident and Tourist to understand the Flithy and Scummy use of words by Tripper. ...

That is one of the main things about this Youngers generation of Commie.Socialists that are trying to change our Great USA, they throw out those charged words that have No Truth Whatsoever' ...."


LOLOL. Talk about "charged words" with "No Truth"!? (a) I don't think the "Younger generation" even knows what a commie or a socialist IS! (Hmmm, maybe you are older than I was thinking and are speaking of the Baby Boomers.) (b) What in the world do Tripper's remarks have to do with (i) being a Communist or Socialist or (ii) changing the USA?

MsTerieus - 7-12-2010 at 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajatripper
And I, for one, don't consider starting a rumor about raping Americans in CC "nothing." And I know Skeeter doesn't, either.


I think the term, "Raping or Raped," has to be taken in a metaphorical sense rather than literal.
Rape, as in sexual assault, has never been mentioned or implied. I think it's disingenuous to dwell on that term for it's literal interpretation here in this thread.
Skeet may not get it, but I think you do and did from the beginning.
Yeah, and it's usually MEN who use the euphemism, throwing the term around loosely and lightly, because they don't understand what rape entails.

MsTerieus - 7-12-2010 at 10:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajabass
Possibly sodomized would have been a more descriptive, appropriate word to use. :light::lol:
If men were sodomized (against their will, that is) half as often as women were raped, maybe men would understand the horror of such an invasion sufficiently to try to choose their words more carefully, instead of diminishing what, indeed, are "charged" words (and for good reason).

MsTerieus - 7-12-2010 at 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iflyfish
DavidE,

What a marvelous word picture. Like one of Russ or DianeT's beautiful sunrise shots or a good Pompano's travelogues. Well said, well said.

Dennis,

Did Lenny Bruce choose to be a junkie? Do dorado choose to hang under floating fauna? Do moths choose to immolate themselves on flames? Do we choose to waste ourselves on trivial pursuits till we can no longer tolerate the inertia? Will we die with visions of lost loves before us? Will we be greeted by Donald Duck at the pearly gates. These of course are the great mysteries of life and well worth pondering over cold cervesa and a fresh civiche. Salud!

Iflyfish
LOL, I'm cracking up -- either because Illyfish is very funny, or because it's getting late (?) ... :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 7-13-2010 at 06:32 AM

MsTerieus:

The way IFlyfish has everyone stirred up over such a Minor thing by suggesting we all "Group Up" and try to force some change is an example of "Groups, being led toward a certain Goal by a couple of Commies or Socialist such as the "Ecco Nuts, The Sierra Club,Left Wing Nuts, etc.

Theses People love to get Weak minded individuals togather, get them charged up, get them to Donate Money to the Cause

It is easy to understand the Weak minded Attitude, as a result of the Following:

Failure to use the Paddle in School
Parents lack of Discipline
Counslars in School if a Child Cuts his Finger
DRUGS
Blaming others for your own Shortcomings

The list goes on and on!

Leave Baja Alone. It is just fine with out a Bunch of Americanos trying to change a Part of its Culture.

Skeet/Loreto

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 06:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsTerieus
If men were sodomized (against their will, that is) half as often as women were raped, maybe men would understand the horror of such an invasion sufficiently to try to choose their words more carefully, instead of diminishing what, indeed, are "charged" words (and for good reason).


Probably true. None the less, the word has more than one meaning. That certainly doesn't diminish it's meaning when used in reference to sexual assault.
The word, used in proper context, is not ambiguous.

A 'culture' of thieves

Dave - 7-13-2010 at 08:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Leave Baja Alone. It is just fine with out a Bunch of Americanos trying to change a Part of its Culture.


A Mexican with honesty and integrity might take offense at your blatantly racist comments. Or, he might take comfort in the knowledge that according to you, his dishonest countrymen have an excuse for their behavior... It's not their fault. It's just part of their 'culture'.

Iflyfish - 7-13-2010 at 08:32 AM

Hmmm,

Yup MsTerieus, it probably was late.


Yup Skeet, just rabble rousing about the Police Extortion in Ciudad Constitution on the ONLY Federal Highway between North and South Baja.

If you police in CC attempt to extort you please report the details to:


American Citizen Services

US Consulate General Tijuana

ACSTijuana@state.gov

Thanks,

Iflyfish

Bajatripper - 7-13-2010 at 08:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsTerieus
[If men were sodomized (against their will, that is) half as often as women were raped, maybe men would understand the horror of such an invasion sufficiently to try to choose their words more carefully, instead of diminishing what, indeed, are "charged" words (and for good reason).


Agree. Thanks for helping make my point, even though that seems lost in the current discussion. I must have been a woman in a previous life.

MsTerieus - 7-16-2010 at 12:17 PM

Skeet -- are you SERIOUS or joking? (PADDLE???) If you are serious, would you mind my asking you your age?




Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
MsTerieus:

The way IFlyfish has everyone stirred up over such a Minor thing by suggesting we all "Group Up" and try to force some change is an example of "Groups, being led toward a certain Goal by a couple of Commies or Socialist such as the "Ecco Nuts, The Sierra Club,Left Wing Nuts, etc.

Theses People love to get Weak minded individuals togather, get them charged up, get them to Donate Money to the Cause

It is easy to understand the Weak minded Attitude, as a result of the Following:

Failure to use the Paddle in School
Parents lack of Discipline
Counslars in School if a Child Cuts his Finger
DRUGS
Blaming others for your own Shortcomings

The list goes on and on!

Leave Baja Alone. It is just fine with out a Bunch of Americanos trying to change a Part of its Culture.

Skeet/Loreto