BajaNomad - HOW DO WE FIGHT ABUSES TO OUR KIND IN MEXICO

HOW DO WE FIGHT ABUSES TO OUR KIND IN MEXICO

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 05:28 PM

We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.

Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."

We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.

We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.

What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers. You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own.

Your brother won't come to your assistance.

Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch, but few want to participate.

That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.

How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.

We just can't be bothered.

OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.

SHAME will be ours.

mtgoat666 - 7-12-2010 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.

Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."

We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.

We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.

What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers. You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own.

Your brother won't come to your assistance.

Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch, but few want to participate.

That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.

How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.

We just can't be bothered.

OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.

SHAME will be ours.

denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years?

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years?

Six times.

Whoooops.....should have said, each way.

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by DENNIS]

gnukid - 7-12-2010 at 07:31 PM

You say the weakness of the American adventurer soul is lack of a sense of common interest? And this weakness is inherent or genetic in our national personality?

Yet, historically there have been many times when the American would come to the aid of another as a group against a common enemy whether foreign or domestic. There was the common consensus against mcCarthyism, Vietnam war, many attempts to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve and the CIA for example by John Kennedy and similar attempts by Carter and Reagan.

I would agree that in general the current weakness of the American is false division, a well programmed lack of inertia to support the common well being of us as community, but consider this trait is programmed today in order to weaken our cause by those who benefit.

This divisiveness is an inherent weakness today, fueled by scripted escalation of racism, promotion of arrogance, ego, false superiority of one party or group over another, all based on false fears and false memes, orchestrated by our collective enemy, the institutional corporate media.

The controllers believe that the collective community are dumb as rocks. And they are right.

Look at the posters here, from the false characters to the well known arrogant posters, to the followers of hard right or hard left false paradigms we are weak.

Mexico also suffers a similar programmed false weakness of division.

While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our mutual benefit.

DK what you do you think?

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our mutual benefit.

That's my sad point. I don't think we'll see it here.
Only those personally affected coud be relied on to join together in rebellion.
Voices lost in the music.

gnukid - 7-12-2010 at 07:56 PM

There are steps to take to solve this programmed destruction of our collective character:

First, remember the strength of the American personality; pioneering, independent, entrepreneurial, creative, hard working, for starters!

Second, turn off the programming, every message has an agenda, simply turn off the media programming, turn off TV, cable, corporate news. Do not watch sports, play sports, do not idolize others, celebrate yourself, your community and humanity-really!

After six months, you will begin to see the light of commonality and tolerance of difference toward support of your community-you will stand against abuses of CdC, and even stand against the horros torture, wars and all institutional corruption.

We love Baja because in Baja we are forced by happenstance to encounter life as it meant to be, free from false programming and all about our common dreams and celebration of life. Wahhoooo

Barry A. - 7-12-2010 at 07:59 PM

Hmmmmmm, interesting comments. Me, as a self-proclaimed responsible individual, choose not to go where this type of injustice is prevalent, or if I do go, I refuse to participate in their extortion------it has served me well in Baja for some 55 years, tho I have not gone down there lately, for obvious reasons.

Why is a "group" reaction to this problem even necessary when if everyone acted personally and responsibly the problem would simply go away.

And what type of "group" reaction do you have in mind, anyway?

Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!

How is that for a simplistic solution? (I love simplicity)

Barry

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
How is that for a simplistic solution? (I love simplicity)

Barry

That's you, Barry. You know, as well as I know, everybody doesn't share your bolsa de pelotas.
I can't imagine what the world would be like if everybody stood up for themselves.
I'll ponder that. :lol:

BajaBlanca - 7-12-2010 at 08:08 PM

you know, in my humble opinion...if the governor is involved and drugs are involved, as someone mentioned on the other thread - well - really, our dollars may not make one iota of difference to the police. or to the shopkeepers if they are in the loop.

But that is not to say we should sit and let it happen. for sure, make it known, tell everyone you know. write. and we should not drive thru if we can avoid CC.

I find it hard to believe that the governor is really involved. does someone know him personally to have said this ??? Then again - I have often been accused of being naive.

truth is: the situation is deplorable. :no:

We must band together to effect a change.

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca

I find it hard to believe that the governor is really involved. does someone know him personally to have said this ???

I'll bet that's something he keeps to himself. :biggrin:

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truth is: the situation is deplorable. :no:

We must band together to effect a change.

Thanks, Blanca. I think you're more than right. I hope it can happen.

How's that?

Dave - 7-12-2010 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!

Maybe for you but what about the next guy?

The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.

Not to "not pay".

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.

Not to "not pay".

Best point yet. Who wants to travel through Baja planning a counter-attack.

pepino - 7-12-2010 at 08:40 PM

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That's you, Barry. You know, as well as I know, everybody doesn't share your bolsa de pelotas.
I can't imagine what the world would be like if everybody stood up for themselves.
I'll ponder that. :lol:

Ballbag? Sack of balls? Is this slang?

:lol:

longlegsinlapaz - 7-12-2010 at 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.

American, Canadians & ????

Does anyone know whether or not they are stopping non-Mexicans who are driving private vehicles with Mexican plates? Or is it limited to non-Mexican plates & possibly Mexican rental cars? Are they looking at faces....or license plates? I could probably find out myself by driving my gringo face through Constitucion in my Mexican plated vehicle & see what happens, but I currently have no need to take a tour of lovely downtown Constitucion & according to your summation, the collective self-centered group of Americans wouldn't lift a finger to post my bail if it came to that!

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Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."

We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.

A little strong, a little militant, but I get the point you're trying to get across. Yes, we definitely get our feathers ruffled, and yes, I sincerely believe that tourist & resident alien dollars/pesos are being negatively affected by the extortion in Constitucion. The greatest infusion of cash is apparently going directly into police pockets. Those who continue to refer to this as mordita(on other threads), please call it what it is....extortion is in no way related to mordita. This is not mordita!

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We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.

What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers.

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You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own. I prefer to call a spade a spade & use the terms harrassed, intimidated & extorted.

Your brother won't come to your assistance.

Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch, but few want to participate.

That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.

How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.

We just can't be bothered.

OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.

SHAME will be ours.

Au Contraire! Please don't be painting ALL Americans with a self-centered, uncaring isolationist brush. There are a lot of people on this site alone who would, have & will continue to help their fellow man, regardless of nationality....be they another gringo, or Mexican family broken down on the hwy, towing vehicles off of sandy beaches, we've loaned jacks, donated time, money, food clothing, whatever is necessary in times of need. For the most part, we network, we brainstorm, we do try to make a difference, both individually & as a group. So I take acceptation to your blanket statement that we as an entire nationality wear blinders to all but our own self-interest.

There are two distinctly separate groups of foreigners in this scenario....tourists & resident aliens....I & many others fall into the latter category. Myself & the majority of those I know who are full-timers here sincerely try to adhere to local laws & customs. We choose to live here & in my mind that means I do my damnedest to know & respect local laws; on the flip side of the coin, I expect to be treated the same as the rest of the local population. When that doesn't happen, I personally try to use resources in place for the general population. I have never expected different treatment because I'm a gringo. My indignation is that extortion is happening at all, I'd be just as angry if it were only happening to national-born. Right is right, wrong is wrong & those two know no national boundaries. What is happening in Constitucion is wrong, it's discriminatory & it's extortion!

The Mexican Tourista Dept. is an agency which is chartered to promote tourism & to come to the aid of foreigners in Mexico if the need should arise. The US Consulate in TJ is there to aid US citizens if the need should arise. If the US Consulate does not/will not respond to the documented complaints they said they’d follow up on, then shame on the US Consulate!

There are people here trying to make a difference, please, a little less negativity & a little more faith in your fellow Americans!

Signed: Pollyanna

DENNIS - 7-12-2010 at 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
The Mexican Tourista Dept. is an agency which is chartered to promote tourism & to come to the aid of foreigners in Mexico if the need should arise.

This is as ludicrous as the rest of your rant although you have kept the edge on your bellowing fish-wife technique.

BajaBruno - 7-12-2010 at 10:43 PM

Dennis (and take no offense here, please, because my comments are quite tongue in cheek), you seem to have taken this Cd. Constitution situation quite personally. Your response really doesn't fit with the rather isolationist Dennis I've tended to type you as, so I'm just wondering why the outrage now?

Were it someone else, I would suspect that the meds ran out, the local liquor store had gone bankrupt, or the cutie had run off with the pool boy, but I'm sure that with a man of your character it must be some deeper insult that results in these serial rants.

Bajatripper - 7-12-2010 at 10:51 PM

So as to not clutter up the thread with a long "quote," I didn't quote you, Long Legs, but I totally agree with your points, I couldn't have said it better myself.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-13-2010 at 02:40 AM

Can I just say the only way to stop this is for each person to put on their war face and stand their ground. Look into the police officer's eyes and with your war face firmly in place tell the police officer in no uncertain terms that you have done nothing wrong. Tell him you are not going to pay money to an extortionist police officer. Invite them to take you to a judge or put out your two wrists and invite him to handcuff you and take you to jail because you are not paying him anything. Just stand your ground firmly. He will either back off invite you to see the judge or falsely arrest you. It's a chance you take but he'll know you are not pussyfooting around and have balls. They will respect or fear someone with balls. This is the only way you are going to stop it but it has some risk. Just have someone on the outside who can bail you out if need be. If you get handcuffed, in your "Last great act of defiance" you can tell the police officer"Chupa mi "V" Piinché extorsionista."

In solidarity,

David Elinvestig8r M

Cypress - 7-13-2010 at 05:12 AM

Become fluent in Spanish.

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I'm just wondering why the outrage now?

I'm bored, not to mention having a revulsion to power abuse and authority which is symptomatic of PTSD.

Barry A. - 7-13-2010 at 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!

Maybe for you but what about the next guy?

The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.

Not to "not pay".

Good luck with that, Dave. Let me know how it works out for you.

Elinvestor18 has it exactly right, IMO.

Barry

Osprey - 7-13-2010 at 07:21 AM

I've got all of Gnukid's posts on a CD. He has warned us before to not let the industrial corporate media destroy us. Sooo just after his first warning, some time back I stopped watching or reading any U.S. or Mexican news. No sports, movies, nothin. I have not watched TV in over two years. He has me ready for the rapture, ready to give up all my worldly goods (even my lures) and ready to hold hands with "The Group", be saved. Somehow Gnu has come to fit the profile of those he warns us against. I miss the news. Where and what is Cuidad Constitucion and what's the problem up there?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-13-2010 at 07:36 AM

Osprey:
The problem is that as Americanos go through Constitution they are sometimes pulled over and ask to pay the Officer for a speeding violation, which is easy to do in that Town.

Flyfish has been trying to "Muster" a group together to see if they can get the Big Shots in La Paz to stop a very Normal type operation that goes on in the mexican Cultural/.

The Thread deveopled into one of those Call you names crazy kind of things that happens when people disagree. A kind of thing that shows Americanos trying to Change Mexicanos to their ways.

Skeet

vandenberg - 7-13-2010 at 07:40 AM

See George, one of our more up to date Nomads will come along and give you an excerpted update on the situation. No TV or other news needed. :lol:

wilderone - 7-13-2010 at 08:08 AM

"While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our mutual benefit."

You can apply that to all dilemmas - environmental, social, labor, industry, etc. But a unity of brains rather than brawn would likely be more effective. A result may not happen overnight - give those who need to figure out a way to save face, cover-up, double deal, effect policy to do that - as Mexican politicians will. While all along, apply persistent pressure and offer proof.

Barry A. - 7-13-2010 at 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
"While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our mutual benefit."

You can apply that to all dilemmas - environmental, social, labor, industry, etc. But a unity of brains rather than brawn would likely be more effective. A result may not happen overnight - give those who need to figure out a way to save face, cover-up, double deal, effect policy to do that - as Mexican politicians will. While all along, apply persistent pressure and offer proof.

I believe your serious (???) Eureka, a new UNION is born! Let us know how that works out for you. This points out that we all have different ways of approaching things, that is for sure. I hope your idea works, tho, but have my serious doubts.

Barry

BajaBruno - 7-13-2010 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
I'm just wondering why the outrage now?

I'm bored, not to mention having a revulsion to power abuse and authority which is symptomatic of PTSD.

I suppose I should get checked out myself, Dennis--I seem to have the same symptoms. All the best in your crusade.

Bajatripper - 7-13-2010 at 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years?

Six times.

Whoooops.....should have said, each way.

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by DENNIS]

So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way?

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way?

Ohhhhhh....you caught me at a bad time. Right now, I'm just not in the mood to be interrogated. Maybe some other time.

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno
All the best in your crusade.

Thanks, Bruno. I'm lookin' around for a Windmill to have it out with. :biggrin:

Abuses and a Moral Conundrum

MrBillM - 7-13-2010 at 10:23 AM

Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable (even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in opposition ?

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
I've got all of Gnukid's posts on a CD. He has warned us before to not let the industrial corporate media destroy us. Sooo just after his first warning, some time back I stopped watching or reading any U.S. or Mexican news. No sports, movies, nothin. I have not watched TV in over two years. He has me ready for the rapture, ready to give up all my worldly goods (even my lures) and ready to hold hands with "The Group", be saved. Somehow Gnu has come to fit the profile of those he warns us against. I miss the news. Where and what is Cuidad Constitucion and what's the problem up there?

First off let me say I bow down to my mentors here, those of you with world experience, I appreciate your perspectives and take them to heart.

I didn't say cut out all news! I said, all messages have an agenda.

If you listen to corporate TV news you are being heavily programmed for their agendas. Their agenda is for their profit and rarely serves you as an individual, while local or international news would serve you far better.

It is best to avoid TV entirely but you can still choose news sources that are less likely to have a agenda designed to program and hurt you, for example I would suggest a broad selection of local and international news, view a few say choose seven regular sources and evaluate their position, taking that into consideration, as opposed to when you listen to US corp news, they often say things 'could it be' or 'might have been' they create largely unsubstantiated propaganda with some truth and many lies by omission.

If you want to watch a movie on VHS or DVD or whatever that is generally quite different but be aware that movies too are programming. So choose carefully.

People who do not watch this crap can easily detect lies, such as ranchers in Baja, while others who are heavily programmed can not-they have a knee jerk programmed response- this is evidenced here by those posters who constantly go to the false right-left paradigm as a basis for all things, like our hero. However given some thought it's obvious there are many valid perspectives, not just hard left-right.

This week North American TV received the lowest Neilson rating in recorded history as many people have rejected corporate propaganda in lieu of other sources. People are rejecting these propaganda sources, MSNBC and Fox now receive far lower numbers than in recent years and far lower than many web based radio shows by non-corporate hosts.

The history of news propaganda and how it is programmed to your emotional buttons to program you is well described by Edward Bernays that father of Public Relations and the author of "Propaganda". For further evidence find out what happened to Dan Rather who was fired apparently for telling the truth about Bush's record.

It is not a pleasant subject, however, TV and all forms of corporate news are commercial (and many forms of communication) tools of mind control, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform designed to manipulate your thinking and control your behavior for profit often to your detriment.

Whether you care or not, whether you care about being controlled is entirely up to you, you may enjoy it, like the Hitler youth, fun to be part of group, or you may not, simply be aware when you allow yourself to go into a passive state in front a TV screen flashing a high refresh rates, while watching layered imagery with beautiful faces reading from scripts, you are being heavily programmed to your personal detriment.

You ever notice that people in Baja who do not have electricity seem quite a bit more perceptive and healthy than those that do? And that those silly campers with satelite dishes don't seem to have a clue about the world? Where as the abuela cooking in the taqueria is prescient, how is that?

Try it, turn off your TV for 6 months and see what happens when you catch a glimpse and watch corporate news, you will see it as hyperbolic nonsense.

The elite consider the masses to be dumb as bricks, worthless, and in general they are, now is the moment to decide for yourself if you want to be led to your pathetic demise by corporate slop, or if you prefer to direct yourself in life, you choose your agenda, the world is changing at an extremely rapid pace.

In particular Tv fails to remind us we are bombing, torturing and murdering our children everyday at an increasing rate... because, "Because we think the price is worth it?" why?

Dave - 7-13-2010 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in opposition ?

While I share your support of mordida, I can think of no reason why anyone would champion extortion...

Unless they were part of the plot. :rolleyes:

Chapala-ex - 7-13-2010 at 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Given a diversity of opinion regarding the question of these Abuses and counsel by some that concerned, concerted and coordinated action is advisable (even necessary) in addressing these Abuses, does it not follow that anyone who disagrees with the goal of attacking those abuses has a duty to act in opposition ?

Could that duty require riding shotgun with the abusers? :lol:

Bajatripper - 7-13-2010 at 10:37 AM

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Hu?

Bajatripper - 7-13-2010 at 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

So, Dennis, of those six times, on how many of them did you get brutalized and raped? And would that be each way?

Ohhhhhh....you caught me at a bad time. Right now, I'm just not in the mood to be interrogated. Maybe some other time.

No, that's not the answer we were looking for. Back to the Rape Chamber for you!

Skeet/Loreto - 7-13-2010 at 11:37 AM

gnukid:
A very well wrttin Post, even through I do disagree to many of the ideas you put forth.

One of the reasons for the demise in numbers is the heavy use of Texting and Twitter and the Internet.
I am one of those people who quit TV several Months ago. Tried again tday and sure enough, same old thing. Somebody talking about the Black Panther, somebody trying to Answer and getting Shouted down.

Gnukid. Why is it that thexes young Protesters keep shouting down the Opposition?? Is it that they are Afraid for the other followers to hear another side of the Question?? Or is it that thier Weak minds cannot comprehend??

I have found TRUTH in your words about the Mexicano People who do not have TV. I lived in a very wonderful place called San Nicholas. There were only about 5 families , no Electricity, no TV, and lots of good folks.

BajaBruno - 7-13-2010 at 12:16 PM

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There doesn't seem to be much diversity here: there is Skeet on one side, and everyone else on the other. Maybe Dennis would welcome the balance if you jumped in on Skeet's side and help perform that duty to act in opposition.

BajaBruno - 7-13-2010 at 12:20 PM

GnuKid, not to hijack Dennis' tirade, but I assume you have read Noam Chomsky. I am a big fan of him and highly recommend his books on the propaganda of democratic states.

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno

There doesn't seem to be much diversity here: there is Skeet on one side, and everyone else on the other. Maybe Dennis would welcome the balance if you jumped in on Skeet's side and help perform that duty to act in opposition.

You betcha....

MrBill....Fair and Balanced. :lol:

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
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Gnukid. Why is it that thexes young Protesters keep shouting down the Opposition?? Is it that they are Afraid for the other followers to hear another side of the Question?? Or is it that thier Weak minds cannot comprehend??

Hello mr/mrs skeet-daughter-contrary-suspicious-bad speller person-agent,

Free speech is the right of North Americans, protesting or free speech is an inherent responsibility in a free republic. However, there is evidence that government provocateurs pose as protestors and act out to create chaos and incite violence to discredit free speech. Furthermore, recently, the US Government has branded free speech as infiltrators of low-level-terrorism while also rebranding COINTELPRO (counter intelligence propaganda) notably, because it has a bad connotation.

Those familiar with the newly appointed yet unelected mouthpieces of propaganda known as Czars, can see their nonsensical statements appearing more and more often. For example, Cass Sunstein is the newly appointed Regulatory head of the Obama administration, yet has never been elected nor approved by hearings calls for infiltrating all dissenting political groups to discredit them and for banning free speech.

There are many documented cases of police provocateurs being caught, and here watch these seniors out the police provocateurs in Canada and of course in the past in the case of opposition to the the Black Panthers where it was demonstrated the US Government put out offensive coloring books supposedly from the Black Panthers as false propaganda to discredit the them, among other tactics.

It has been declassified in FBI documents that COINTELPRO was a widespread US program to infiltrate and "increase factionalism, cause disruption and win defections" of political organizations including the Black Panthers-which was done with some success.

Commonly nowadays you see the Black Bloc at protests running amok with precision to break windows, start fires and smash cars, yet these are not actions of free speech, nor associated with any agenda of protesters, likely these are provocateurs, who are identified while covering their faces, by their police gear, boots, tools, and outfits which are often major labels such as Nike or Adidas and certainly not anti-globalists they claim to represent. In fact the Canadian Gov admitted they do iinfiltrate black bloc with agent provocateurs and other police forces have been exposed and responded with no comment, no denial.

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I have found TRUTH in your words about the Mexicano People who do not have TV. I lived in a very wonderful place called San Nicholas. There were only about 5 families , no Electricity, no TV, and lots of good folks.

Which leads us to the obvious question, who are you, really?

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by gnukid]

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Which leads us to the obvious question, who are you, what is your name, really?

Oh Oh....Maybe there should have been nine Russian spys sent home the other day.
OHMYGAWD....Skeet might even be Herb Philbrick. :lol:

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 12:50 PM

Hey gimme a break, I am trying to up my post count. DK look out!

On your Own

MrBillM - 7-13-2010 at 12:53 PM

Neither side can expect any help from me. Unless there's something in it FOR me. I CAN be bought.

Heed the Gnukid. HE (along with Monoloco ?) is one of the Few Chosen Illuminati who have been to the sacred vaults deep within the Inner Realm and given access to the Secret Wisdom and Knowledge holding all of the answers to Mankind's future contained within the Templar volumes.

Follow his admonition to avoid TV which is filled with subliminal beaming of Propaganda aimed at our demasculation and subjugation. This is especially true of programs like "Ice-Road Truckers" which attempt to create mind-numbed Zombie Sleeper agents programmed for remote activation at times of National Turmoil.

PBS isn't to be trusted, either. It's a little-known fact that it was actually created by KGB agents housed in the Basement Latrine of the United Nations Building and working in concert with Double-Agent Lyndon LaRouche for the purpose of creating a Fifth-Column movement available to the Spetsnaz for subversive purposes at a moments notice.

Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.

Turn off the TV and Don't let your Aluminum Foil supply run low.

Remember, you heard it here.

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 01:08 PM

I have stated repeatedly, I know very little of secret societies and propaganda, and seemingly the less and less I know the more I know for certain.

Skeet is the one who is an admitted FreeMason for 50 years yet as Junior Deacon he would know little of the illuminati who are 33rd level FreeMasons among other affiliations.

And, each should make up their own mind, my feeling is that the Universe and our minds are limitless, infinite, many things are possible, though I am decidedly ambivalent about the future and Transhumanism and in fact, TV is a limiting filter for free thinking-in general.

I personally enjoy talking with neighbors, of all ages and backgrounds, far more than TV, not that I haven't found a fun show to watch on occasion. I choose carefully. A little background, I had the opportunity to go to the movies as a child for free and see any movie, in fact all movies that came until I was 12 I saw, until one day I realized these were having a dramatic affect on me, so I stopped, actually I brought a bag a crickets to the theater and released them as part of my coup and I stopped watching TV. I found an association to pay me not to watch TV as a control in a study of those who watch TV and its affect on their perception of violence. With the money saved I went to college.

Now I do love stories, I just don't like the general affect of hollywood propaganda programming on our collective psyche, nor do I find US Newspapers very informative. I do read foreign press. To Bill, and the others to each his own! Have at it! zzzzzzzz

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by gnukid]

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
...

Heed the Gnukid. HE (along with Monoloco ?) is one of the Few Chosen Illuminati who have been to the sacred vaults deep within the Inner Realm and given access to the Secret Wisdom and Knowledge holding all of the answers to Mankind's future contained within the Templar volumes.
...

Ci sono anche i matti senza Templari, ma quelli coi Templari sono i più insidiosi.

There are lunatics who don't talk about the Templars, but those who do are the most insidious.

Martyman - 7-13-2010 at 01:30 PM

Back to Constitucion...Our northern virtues are being shat upon. So what? Mexico is a different culture! This stuff happens everywhere else in the world...ever been to Africa? In northern climes you can write a letter that makes you feel better. Mexico, the letter goes in la basura.
Oh...they shorted me at the Pemex. I had my credit card copied and used. The cheese is too crumbly!
Give me a break. Stay home you big whiners!

Cultural Whining

MrBillM - 7-13-2010 at 01:41 PM

Yeah, Stay Home if you can't accept, preferably rejoice, in the Glorious Cultural experience of Entrepreneurial Capitalism at its best.

And, while staying home, be sure to avoid the subversive subliminal messages embedded within "Ice Road Truckers" and the like.

Read the wisdom of Robert Welch instead and become informed. While it might be impossible to achieve the Ninth Level of Cosmic Awareness as Gnu has, you will be better for the effort.

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martyman
Back to Constitucion...Our northern virtues are being shat upon. So what? Mexico is a different culture! This stuff happens everywhere else in the world...ever been to Africa? In northern climes you can write a letter that makes you feel better. Mexico, the letter goes in la basura.
Oh...they shorted me at the Pemex. I had my credit card copied and used. The cheese is too crumbly!
Give me a break. Stay home you big whiners!

Perhaps you haven't spent the time to know, Baja is a community which is diverse historically and though primarily a narrow passage of small communities, each community depends on the other, for knowledge, resources, energy, tools, all the things needed for survival.

Small town politics and corruption controlled by dominating this one road, hwy 1, is historical but so is the tradition of breaking this corruption by the assistance of neighbors.

You see, a corrupt police force does have power which is hard to break, many residents are victimized, however these oppressive factors can be broken by travelers and neighbors who have less fear of the power of corruption and extortion.

If you live in a town dominated by corrupt police you are in fear that you will be targeted, but visitors and distant neighbors do not have this burden. For this reason, in Baja towns have often looked to neighbors for support both journalistic and technological to improve upon problem areas.

It's the tradition of Baja, help your neighbor-help yourself.

Reject the Negative and ..............

MrBillM - 7-13-2010 at 01:49 PM

Accentuate the Positive. Rejoice in the important things in life.

Each day brings reason for Hope and a Renewal of Faith.

Roman Polanski has been freed from the yoke of oppressive Fascist discrimination.

Praise be for another affirmation of Justice and Decency.

DENNIS - 7-13-2010 at 01:56 PM

Hey, Bill..........Are you celebrating something? :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 7-13-2010 at 03:27 PM

gnukid:

Me thinks that you should read on the History of Mexico. You did not mention at all that the Catholic Church was in charge of the Mexico for a number of years.

Me also thinks you are Full of Bull as a Xmas Turkey!!

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 03:56 PM

Sra skeety-la distraccion,

Escúchame bien, cuando Hernán Cortés de Monroy y Pizarro llegó a México, cambió la historia del pueblo Azteca. La influencia de España fue significativo sin duda. Y con la llegada de Cortés en México, un camino se abrió a la explotación de gran parte de los Mestizos, el pueblo y sus visitantes indegenous compatriota, nosotros, de todo el mundo que constituyen la población intercultural. Pero Skeet, nunca vamos a olvidar nuestros orígenes diversos, nuestra fuerza en nuestra diversidad y el respeto por nosotros mismos como en la Comunidad sólo interdependientes, con amor por la aventura y por la belleza escasos de la Península.

Usted sabe que incluso había Corez hijo con una mujer indígena llamada Doña María que hizo esta empresa en nuestra tradición diversa historia. Con respecto a Hernán, bueno, incluso Cortés tuvo un sueño para la Península, que es la de respetar la tierra y el pueblo, sus derechos, incluso si estaba comprometida a veces por España. Sabemos por la lectura de su diario, Cartas de Relación en la cara de los conquistadores, tenemos aún más la creencia en los derechos humanos como el valor central que el respeto en esta tierra.

No importa si ayer o hoy en día tenemos la corrupción, ya sea bajo el velo de España, la Iglesia Católica, Jesuitas, Franciscanos, los misioneros que violaron y asaltaron nuestras tierras, no nos importa si es bajo el paraguas de otra fuerza o en del secreto y la corrupción. Nunca olvidaremos nuestra autoestima, la auto-preservación y nuestra demanda y la insistencia en los derechos humanos.

Usted, son transparentes, su juego es bien sabido, que son a la vez un amigo y un enemigo cuando su posición es hacer daño y distraer a esta comunidad desde su objetivos de trabajar juntos con respecto a la corrupción del mal, que sin duda es extranjera, no de la corazón de la Península.

Usted, están marcados, identificado por su juego y acciones. Elija con cuidado, tenga en cuenta su lealtad con cuidado, sin importar las promesas que hizo en secreto bajo resurection falsa. Considere la posibilidad de que el juego ha terminado.

[Edited on 7-13-2010 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-13-2010 at 04:30 PM

Gnukid"
I do not think that you realy know what is
Free Speech" !

Free Speech is when a person can stand up and Talk with out being Shouted down by a bunch of Nuts.

So that you know where I am coming from"

Kipling
Ben Franklin
George Washington
John Waynew
Hoot Gibson
Harry Truman
Will Rodgers
FDR
Buzz Aldrin and many others. I beleive in the Great United States of America. I think we are the Greatest nation in the World with more Freedoms than any other Country.
I think as a Nation of Rich and Poor that we have more Freedom and Liberties than anyone. Some people are Rich others Poor , by Choice!
Skeet/Loreto

Curt63 - 7-13-2010 at 04:39 PM

Ok Skeet

Riddle me this

What does the term "revisionist" history mean to you?

Yes or no. Did you graduate from college before 1980?

Just curious

slimshady - 7-13-2010 at 05:17 PM

You fight with your wallet, that's the only thing they really care about. Sniveling and complaining gets ignored.

DavidE - 7-13-2010 at 05:46 PM

Subject: HOW DO WE FIGHT ABUSES TO OUR KIND IN MEXICO

"Big Boss Man, Can You Hear Me When I Call?"

Tote that bale bro! Me living down here surely brings out the racist in every Mexican I meet. Oye Guero!

Cops prey on those who they KNOW FOR A FACT snivel, whine, shrivel, and slink away several banknotes lighter without a peep. Easy money, piece of cake. How many of you tangled with an old-fashioned federale, a PJF? Corrupt, utterly ruthless, and almost unaccountable...

It would take more than one challenge. Maybe five or six before the transitos figure out gringos have wised up and are more trouble than they're worth. But you need to rake the cop, his boss and el juez over the legal coals. Lazaro Card##as, Michoacan to Ciudad Constituction is like comparing an habanero chili to a jalapeño. It took the cops, commandante and judge a full two encounters in order to learn that I bite. I obey the law, you bet, but further thought of false charges evaporated in smoke.

Now who is going to step-up-to-the-plate and be # 1 to dish it back at them? If those transitos could read ingles and this thread they would be rolling over and over holding their sides in agonizing fits of laughter. Pollos discussing how not to get eaten by el coyote.

gnukid - 7-13-2010 at 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Gnukid"
I do not think that you realy know what is
Free Speech" !

Free Speech is when a person can stand up and Talk with out being Shouted down by a bunch of Nuts.

So that you know where I am coming from"

Kipling
Ben Franklin
George Washington
John Waynew
Hoot Gibson
Harry Truman
Will Rodgers
FDR
Buzz Aldrin and many others. I beleive in the Great United States of America. I think we are the Greatest nation in the World with more Freedoms than any other Country.
I think as a Nation of Rich and Poor that we have more Freedom and Liberties than anyone. Some people are Rich others Poor , by Choice!
Skeet/Loreto

Very sad, but few will see Skeet for who he is and many will fall to his game, as I have, though he and his associates will ultimately fail and never will they see the light

Kipling
Ben Franklin
George Washington
John Wayne
Hoot Gibson
Harry Truman
[url=http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/rogers_w/rogers_w.html]Will Rodgers/url]
FDR
Buzz Aldrin more

[Edited on 7-14-2010 by gnukid]

vandenberg - 7-13-2010 at 08:05 PM

Gnu
Could you put that to music. :biggrin:

Martyman - 7-15-2010 at 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

Perhaps you haven't spent the time to know, .

When you are condescending with your first sentence, I couldn't read the rest. In other words you know more about baja then me. I appreciate your posts gnu but...major turn off.

gnukid - 7-15-2010 at 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martyman

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

Perhaps you haven't spent the time to know, .

When you are condescending with your first sentence, I couldn't read the rest. In other words you know more about baja then me. I appreciate your posts gnu but...major turn off.

Ha, You insulted the group first with a condescending attitude, which leads me to think you probably do not know. And now you are offended.

Haha. In my case there is a difference between being proud of Baja and being condescending.

I'll say it again, many people, such as yourself, do not understand the history of Baja's diversity and interdependency, they or I should say YOU make sweeping condescending statements about Americans or Canadians or Mexicans or Chinese or French or Spanish etc... as though they are not part of Baja's social makeup, yet fail to realize, that diversity and interdependency is Baja Even the Indigenous Indians were diverse having fled other tribes for the solitude of the peninsula! The influences on Baja are so vast there has yet to be a specific character, it's better known as a social experiment.

So when you or anyone else says, it's not your country, or don't get involved, or let cops rob you cause that's the way it is and stop whining (which paraphrases what you said) you have no idea what your speaking about. The communities of Baja are absolutely dependent on the interrelationship of various people who travel up and down Baja, for food, tools, ideas, relationships, ad infinitum.

If you choose to insult our character here, as you have, I gather any Baja Nomad, and me in particular would defend themselves and Baja against your ignorant statements. Though truly, I don't mind taking the time to educate you, nor does Baja.

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by gnukid]

Martyman - 7-15-2010 at 11:50 AM

You have a way with words, gnu. twist and shout!

Shake it up baby now!

Having a Way with Words ?

MrBillM - 7-15-2010 at 12:23 PM

Even when they're the words of others ?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 12:55 PM

gnukdi:

I will take exception on some oy your so called words about Baja and its dependency on various other People.

Gnukid. Have you read the various Histories about Baj?? You realize of course that La Paz was once a Freeport., that Constitution was developed just recently and before there was any Traffic down the Baja ??

I also wonder about your complete lack of discussing the affect of Religion in Baja.

Have you read Black Robes of Calif., Fire and Blood???

If not you Should!

Skeet

wessongroup - 7-15-2010 at 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

Quote:

I'm totally destroyed .... Mel Blanc... too...

But, pretty damn good ... gnukid ...

Osprey - 7-15-2010 at 01:20 PM

Good news! I went to San Jose del Cabo today to buy a water pump/tank. After I had what I needed in the car, was headed for lunch, I saw a cop on the corner directing traffic. There was a parking space close to the intersection so I pulled in, got my camera, paper and pen, walked up to talk to the man. His shoes were not shined, he had a hole in his shirt and his hat was a mess. I engaged him in conversation, took a couple of photos, got his name and badge number and told him I was headed for the local Commandancia to report his behavior. He protested. I said unless he gave me 500 pesos I was on my way. We haggled. He paid 100 pesos and promised to shape up. I thought you guys would like to hear about a little payback for a change.

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by Osprey]

DENNIS - 7-15-2010 at 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
Reading the posts of Skeet, you can see a pattern, one of intent to distract, intent to cause confusion, chaos, abuse, far from ethical or moral, the writer promotes a view which is detrimental to forming community because unified diversified broadbased community is the antithesis of the FreeMasons.

Good Lord, Gnu...You see a presence of mind I would never have imagined. Do you really believe the author so complex as to formulate this devious deception?
Seems a bit much.

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Good news! I went to San Jose del Cabo today to buy a water pump/tank. After I had what I needed in the car, was headed for lunch, I saw a cop on the corner directing traffic. There was a parking space close to the intersection so I pulled in, got my camera, paper and pen, walked up to talk to the man. His shoes were not shined, he had a hole in his shirt and his hat was a mess. I engaged him in conversation, took a couple of photos, got his name and badge number and told him I was headed for the local Commandancia to report his behavior. He protested. I said unless he gave me 500 pesos I was on my way. We haggled. He paid 100 pesos and promised to shape up. I thought you guys would like to hear about a little payback for a change.

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by Osprey]

I am going into San Jose tomorrow. I will try my hand at this. if I am successful, I will do it multiple times to pay for my supplies and my gas.
maybe I will even try it with the federales...I will pull them over by repeatedly flashing my lights. Once I got their attention I will attempt to extort them for their weapons and all their cash. if I am successful....I will try the military, i recon with a machine gun or several....I won't have to worry about the average criminals!!
:lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 02:50 PM

And the Farmer Hauled another Load Away!!!

Your Stupid Rant about Freemasonry leaves nothing else to be said!!

Are you a Muslim with an Intent!!Are you trying to Win Weak minded Individuals to a Cause??

What is your Cause? It is all so False.

Thank the Good Lord for George Washington,
Thank him for making the Country the Biggest, Best, Richest, Country in the World,

Skeet/Loreto Truth Poster

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Good Lord, Gnu...You see a presence of mind I would never have imagined. Do you really believe the author so complex as to formulate this devious deception?
Seems a bit much.

I think Skeet, may be more than one person. The writing styles tend to change frequently, check out the grammar, spelling, language..etc. They change frequently...at times it's all mispelled, the typing sucks, the grammars terrible..etc and the next post is clear concise and is free of errors..both in spelling and in grammar.

Maybe Skeet is a front for the Freemasons. Maybe Skeet is the chupacabra!

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 03:19 PM

Fish Abducter"\
No! It is me! I just sometimes get lazy with my typing.
\Coming up Oct 5th of this year I wiil bevome a 59 year Mason. Having become a Mason in a Lodge on Wilshire Blvd. in La. 5 years later became a 32 Degree Scotish Rite Mason. Then a Shriner, Charter Mebmber of the Flying Shriners out of Fresno Calif.
Will be installed as Jr, Deacon in my Lodge here in Fresno this coming Saturday.

Masonry has been the best thing that ever happene3d.
My Mother had been a Member of the Eastern Star for 78 years when she passed away at 94, My GrandMother was also a Star Member.

Don: beleive the Lies about Masonry. It is not a Secret Society It is a Society with some Screts.

Skeet/ Truth Talker

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-16-2010 at 01:24 AM

Freemasonry is not a secret society.

Only the rituals are secret.

Too Be One Ask One!

So Mote It Be!

Pescador - 7-18-2010 at 06:30 AM

Quote:

Boy, if the word of this ever gets out then we can expect to see mass protests and border violence with police unions all over Baja. I would imagine that the next gringo that came through town got a speeding ticket to make up for his losses. What goes around comes around. :lol:

Santiago - 7-18-2010 at 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I do not think that you realy know what is
Free Speech" !
Free Speech is when a person can stand up and Talk with out being Shouted down by a bunch of Nuts.

Skeet, you were watching the news last August during the townhall meetings? Right?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-18-2010 at 10:47 AM

Santigao:

No. Watched the news for about 3 min., first time in Weeks.

Sure enough here is someone talking about Black Panthers, then someone else starts talking and he is shourted down.

I was thinking about all the "Free Sppech Nuts" and their shouting down anyone who is speaking different than they.

How Dumb can that be.

New Logo for Skeet as follows

HORNY HOT
HARD HAIRY

Theres nothing like Texas Wild Life

Santiago - 7-18-2010 at 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
New Logo for Skeet as follows

HORNY HOT
HARD HAIRY

Theres nothing like Texas Wild Life

Well, sure, but what are you going to do for the next 3 minutes?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-18-2010 at 02:28 PM

Santigo; I was just given a T Shirt with those Logos on It. The shirt are selling like Crazy. If you are interested go to Texas Dirt.Com.