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HOW DO WE FIGHT ABUSES TO OUR KIND IN MEXICO
We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.
Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and
cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."
We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in
Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.
We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.
What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers. You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own.
Your brother won't come to your assistance.
Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch,
but few want to participate.
That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.
How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.
We just can't be bothered.
OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.
SHAME will be ours.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.
Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and
cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."
We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in
Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.
We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.
What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers. You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own.
Your brother won't come to your assistance.
Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch,
but few want to participate.
That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.
How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.
We just can't be bothered.
OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.
SHAME will be ours. |
denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
denny:
have you even been thru CdC in the last 5 years? |
Six times.
Whoooops.....should have said, each way.
[Edited on 7-13-2010 by DENNIS]
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You say the weakness of the American adventurer soul is lack of a sense of common interest? And this weakness is inherent or genetic in our national
personality?
Yet, historically there have been many times when the American would come to the aid of another as a group against a common enemy whether foreign or
domestic. There was the common consensus against mcCarthyism, Vietnam war, many attempts to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve and the CIA
for example by John Kennedy and similar attempts by Carter and Reagan.
I would agree that in general the current weakness of the American is false division, a well programmed lack of inertia to support the common well
being of us as community, but consider this trait is programmed today in order to weaken our cause by those who benefit.
This divisiveness is an inherent weakness today, fueled by scripted escalation of racism, promotion of arrogance, ego, false superiority of one party
or group over another, all based on false fears and false memes, orchestrated by our collective enemy, the institutional corporate media.
The controllers believe that the collective community are dumb as rocks. And they are right.
Look at the posters here, from the false characters to the well known arrogant posters, to the followers of hard right or hard left false paradigms we
are weak.
Mexico also suffers a similar programmed false weakness of division.
While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our
mutual benefit.
DK what you do you think?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
While all along, one person can make a difference and as a group we have all the power, when we work together, and make collective decisions to our
mutual benefit.
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That's my sad point. I don't think we'll see it here.
Only those personally affected coud be relied on to join together in rebellion.
Voices lost in the music.
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gnukid
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There are steps to take to solve this programmed destruction of our collective character:
First, remember the strength of the American personality; pioneering, independent, entrepreneurial, creative, hard working, for starters!
Second, turn off the programming, every message has an agenda, simply turn off the media programming, turn off TV, cable, corporate news. Do not watch
sports, play sports, do not idolize others, celebrate yourself, your community and humanity-really!
After six months, you will begin to see the light of commonality and tolerance of difference toward support of your community-you will stand against
abuses of CdC, and even stand against the horros torture, wars and all institutional corruption.
We love Baja because in Baja we are forced by happenstance to encounter life as it meant to be, free from false programming and all about our common
dreams and celebration of life. Wahhoooo
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Hmmmmmm, interesting comments. Me, as a self-proclaimed responsible individual, choose not to go where this type of injustice is prevalent, or if I
do go, I refuse to participate in their extortion------it has served me well in Baja for some 55 years, tho I have not gone down there lately, for
obvious reasons.
Why is a "group" reaction to this problem even necessary when if everyone acted personally and responsibly the problem would simply go away.
And what type of "group" reaction do you have in mind, anyway?
Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!
How is that for a simplistic solution? (I love simplicity)
Barry
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
How is that for a simplistic solution? (I love simplicity)
Barry |
That's you, Barry. You know, as well as I know, everybody doesn't share your bolsa de pelotas.
I can't imagine what the world would be like if everybody stood up for themselves.
I'll ponder that. 
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you know, in my humble opinion...if the governor is involved and drugs are involved, as someone mentioned on the other thread - well - really, our
dollars may not make one iota of difference to the police. or to the shopkeepers if they are in the loop.
But that is not to say we should sit and let it happen. for sure, make it known, tell everyone you know. write. and we should not drive thru if we
can avoid CC.
I find it hard to believe that the governor is really involved. does someone know him personally to have said this ??? Then again - I have often
been accused of being naive.
truth is: the situation is deplorable.  We must band together to effect a
change.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I find it hard to believe that the governor is really involved. does someone know him personally to have said this ??? |
I'll bet that's something he keeps to himself. 
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truth is: the situation is deplorable. We must band together to effect a
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Thanks, Blanca. I think you're more than right. I hope it can happen.
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How's that?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Do not pay, and it goes away!!!!
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Maybe for you but what about the next guy?
The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.
Not to "not pay".
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
The idea is not to be extorted in the first place.
Not to "not pay". |
Best point yet. Who wants to travel through Baja planning a counter-attack.
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| Quote: | That's you, Barry. You know, as well as I know, everybody doesn't share your bolsa de
pelotas.
I can't imagine what the world would be like if everybody stood up for themselves.
I'll ponder that. |
Ballbag? Sack of balls? Is this slang?
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
We have a situation in hand of abuses to Americans traveling through Ciudad Constitución. This is happening and it can't be denied.
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American, Canadians & ????
Does anyone know whether or not they are stopping non-Mexicans who are driving private vehicles with Mexican plates? Or is it limited to non-Mexican
plates & possibly Mexican rental cars? Are they looking at faces....or license plates? I could probably find out myself by driving my gringo
face through Constitucion in my Mexican plated vehicle & see what happens, but I currently have no need to take a tour of lovely downtown
Constitucion & according to your summation, the collective self-centered group of Americans wouldn't lift a finger to post my bail if it came to
that!
| Quote: | Various recommendations have been made to fight, tooth and nail, the assaults upon our dignity and initial responses have been vibrant and
cooperative, to say the least.
Everybody says, "Let's strike back." "Let's show them we mean business and are a group to be respected and listened to."
We ruffle our feathers, paw at the ground and make threateng gestures backed by our clout with money and our desire to spread it here and there in
Baja.
That is a legitimate bargaining tool...if it were in the collective hands of those willing to fire the weapons which they brandish.
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A little strong, a little militant, but I get the point you're trying to get across. Yes, we definitely
get our feathers ruffled, and yes, I sincerely believe that tourist & resident alien dollars/pesos are being negatively affected by the extortion
in Constitucion. The greatest infusion of cash is apparently going directly into police pockets. Those who continue to refer to this as mordita(on
other threads), please call it what it is....extortion is in no way related to mordita. This is not mordita!
| Quote: | We Americans won't do that. We live in our own little worlds and have no interest in solidarity. Our neighbor's problem isn't ours.
What's happening in CC will never be addressed by Americans, your brothers. | Quote: | | You folks who have been raped and brutalized are on your own. I prefer to call a spade a spade & use the terms harrassed, intimidated
& extorted. |
Your brother won't come to your assistance.
Here on Nomad, the problem is clear. Those trying to affect change through an appeal to his own people are met with silence. Some may want to watch,
but few want to participate.
That's just the way we are. Very into ourselves leaving no room for others.
How freakin' sad that we can't empathize and sympathize to the point of action and the inconvenience to help a brother.
We just can't be bothered.
OK....suffer the consequences of your inaction. Pay the Pig in all of the cities who will shortly see that highway robbery pays off.
SHAME will be ours. |
Au Contraire! Please don't be painting ALL Americans with a
self-centered, uncaring isolationist brush. There are a lot of people on this site alone who would, have & will continue to help their fellow
man, regardless of nationality....be they another gringo, or Mexican family broken down on the hwy, towing vehicles off of sandy beaches, we've loaned
jacks, donated time, money, food clothing, whatever is necessary in times of need. For the most part, we network, we brainstorm, we do try to make a
difference, both individually & as a group. So I take acceptation to your blanket statement that we as an entire nationality wear blinders to all
but our own self-interest.
There are two distinctly separate groups of foreigners in this scenario....tourists & resident aliens....I & many others fall into the latter
category. Myself & the majority of those I know who are full-timers here sincerely try to adhere to local laws & customs. We choose to live
here & in my mind that means I do my damnedest to know & respect local laws; on the flip side of the coin, I expect to be treated the same as
the rest of the local population. When that doesn't happen, I personally try to use resources in place for the general population. I have never
expected different treatment because I'm a gringo. My indignation is that extortion is happening at all, I'd be just as angry if it were only
happening to national-born. Right is right, wrong is wrong & those two know no national boundaries. What is happening in Constitucion is wrong,
it's discriminatory & it's extortion!
The Mexican Tourista Dept. is an agency which is chartered to promote tourism & to come to the aid of foreigners in Mexico if the need should
arise. The US Consulate in TJ is there to aid US citizens if the need should arise. If the US Consulate does not/will not respond to the documented
complaints they said they’d follow up on, then shame on the US Consulate!
There are people here trying to make a difference, please, a little less negativity & a little more faith in your fellow Americans!
Signed: Pollyanna
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
The Mexican Tourista Dept. is an agency which is chartered to promote tourism & to come to the aid of foreigners in Mexico if the need should
arise. |
This is as ludicrous as the rest of your rant although you have kept the edge on your bellowing fish-wife technique.
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Dennis (and take no offense here, please, because my comments are quite tongue in cheek), you seem to have taken this Cd. Constitution situation quite
personally. Your response really doesn't fit with the rather isolationist Dennis I've tended to type you as, so I'm just wondering why the outrage
now?
Were it someone else, I would suspect that the meds ran out, the local liquor store had gone bankrupt, or the cutie had run off with the pool boy, but
I'm sure that with a man of your character it must be some deeper insult that results in these serial rants.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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So as to not clutter up the thread with a long "quote," I didn't quote you, Long Legs, but I totally agree with your points, I couldn't have said it
better myself.
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Can I just say the only way to stop this is for each person to put on their war face and stand their ground. Look into the police officer's eyes and
with your war face firmly in place tell the police officer in no uncertain terms that you have done nothing wrong. Tell him you are not going to pay
money to an extortionist police officer. Invite them to take you to a judge or put out your two wrists and invite him to handcuff you and take you to
jail because you are not paying him anything. Just stand your ground firmly. He will either back off invite you to see the judge or falsely arrest
you. It's a chance you take but he'll know you are not pussyfooting around and have balls. They will respect or fear someone with balls. This is the
only way you are going to stop it but it has some risk. Just have someone on the outside who can bail you out if need be. If you get handcuffed, in
your "Last great act of defiance" you can tell the police officer"Chupa mi "V" Piinché extorsionista."
In solidarity,
David Elinvestig8r M
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Become fluent in Spanish.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
I'm just wondering why the outrage now?
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I'm bored, not to mention having a revulsion to power abuse and authority which is symptomatic of PTSD.
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