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UNIONS OUT OF BAJA !!

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Skeet/Loreto - 7-14-2010 at 03:17 PM

Keep the Unions out of Baja!!

Now Pescador Don"t get Riled up til I am finished.

Harry Bridges was one of my early heros. I am very much for unions of People who build cars, and Load Steamers,but when it comes to running People that is wrong.

Teachers Unions is the Worse thing to ever happen to this Great Country.
Reagan stopped the Air Controllers.Thank Goodness.

Can you remember there was a "Cooperative" in Loreto at one time right after the Road opened. What a Farce. Anyone who wanted, that had a boat could be in it. Unsepecting Fisherman from the States did not get to choose their Capt. The Union did. Most of the guys were Taxi Drivers.

It lasted about 2 years.

Unions have no business representing people, It is very much like a Socialsit Country thing. Everybody shares in the same amount, except the "Elite leaders' who live like Rich Americanos{Owners of the Factories.}

Please let us all fight the organizing of any Union in Baja. Let us enjoy Freedom!

Skeet

BajaGringo - 7-14-2010 at 03:21 PM

Okay, if you say so...

:?:

surfer jim - 7-14-2010 at 03:27 PM

If MORDIDA is "good"......everyone knows that unions are GREAT. :lol:

DianaT - 7-14-2010 at 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Keep the Unions out of Baja!!

Please let us all fight the organizing of any Union in Baja.

Skeet

Yes, Yes, we should all get together, make protest signs, create some chants and march in mass through the towns, cities and countryside. Yes indeed, we should all become very politically active in Baja---it is our job. :rolleyes:

Skeet, you go first!

Wait a minute, wasn't it you who said we should all just leave all the culture alone and accept everything as a part of the culture, including corruption?

Bajaboy - 7-14-2010 at 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Keep the Unions out of Baja!!

Now Pescador Don"t get Riled up til I am finished.

Harry Bridges was one of my early heros. I am very much for unions of People who build cars, and Load Steamers,but when it comes to running People that is wrong.

Teachers Unions is the Worse thing to ever happen to this Great Country.
Reagan stopped the Air Controllers.Thank Goodness.

Can you remember there was a "Cooperative" in Loreto at one time right after the Road opened. What a Farce. Anyone who wanted, that had a boat could be in it. Unsepecting Fisherman from the States did not get to choose their Capt. The Union did. Most of the guys were Taxi Drivers.

It lasted about 2 years.

Unions have no business representing people, It is very much like a Socialsit Country thing. Everybody shares in the same amount, except the "Elite leaders' who live like Rich Americanos{Owners of the Factories.}

Please let us all fight the organizing of any Union in Baja. Let us enjoy Freedom!

Skeet

Wow! I always thought something like slavery might have been one of the worst things to happen to this country. Skeet-you've fallen off one too many horses.

Nothing would please me more

Dave - 7-14-2010 at 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Please let us all fight the organizing of any Union in Baja.

Than you coming down and personally leading the fight against unions. Protesting government law granting the right to organize.

Make some signs and get here pronto!

Please.

kaybaj - 7-14-2010 at 04:19 PM

this guy just never seems to amaze me! :bounce:

noproblemo2 - 7-14-2010 at 04:23 PM

Happy Hour got here early again today :tumble:

BajaGringo - 7-14-2010 at 04:29 PM

Say goodnight Skeet...

backninedan - 7-14-2010 at 04:42 PM

Their coming to take him away, ha ha. Their coming to take him away hee hee
Ignore the men in the white coats Skeet, they just want to help.

Bajahowodd - 7-14-2010 at 04:42 PM

Can never say that Skeet is not amusing. From what I've been able to cobble together, he has lived a life filled with many interesting journeys and many interesting jobs, in a number of locales. Just want to make a tip of the hat to Skeet, because so few of us could ever imagine what he has done, and witnessed. That said, addressing unions- I often get a pain in the pit of my stomach as I witness the widespread bashing of the union movement in the uS. Virtually none of us who are still above ground and posting on this forum were witness to the incredible abuses committed by the business community in the early part of the 20th century. It was, in fact, especially after WWII when the union movement was instrumental in creating a vast and vibrant middle class in America. Perhaps the halcyon days of the American empire. But, as the century went on, especially with the election of Reagan, who notoriously fired the traffic controllers, the union movement fell out of favor, despite the fact that it was probably the single most important factor in making the USA what so many folks today seems to feel that it is. Alas, it's no longer true.

[Edited on 7-14-2010 by Bajahowodd]

BajaBruno - 7-14-2010 at 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, as the century went on, especially with the election of Reagan, who notoriously fired the traffic controllers, the union movement fell out of favor, despite the fact that it was probably the single most important factor in making the USA what so many folks today seems to feel that it is. Alas, it's no longer true.

[Edited on 7-14-2010 by Bajahowodd]

All quite true, and middle class wages have been stagnant ever since, while the wealthy have become mega-wealthy.

DENNIS - 7-14-2010 at 05:27 PM

You folks, as Skeet's respondants, should get a freakin' life. He is leading you all around by the nose.

BajaOkie - 7-14-2010 at 05:27 PM

Skeet/Loreto

Very disappointing, enjoy your world.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-14-2010 at 05:40 PM

Bajahoood"
You are so right in that the Unions did so good for getting the wages of a Autoworker to $70 per hour so that they could buy those
430, ooo dollar cars .end their Kids to good Colleges.

What Happened?
Teachers Union took over the Schools and ruined a lot of Kids.
No respect
No Disipline
No Honor
Then along comes WqlMart, Chinese Goods, Etc.

Did the People just decide it was not worth the Time and Effort..?? I do not know but it convinced me that Baja would never be any good for Unions.

Think about what would happen if all the Rich Stockholders of the Car Companies sold their Stock, the People stopped buying Cars. Wow! Sure would be a lot of people looking for a Job!

Skeet

chippy - 7-14-2010 at 05:41 PM

Skeet your ignorance is astounding. Texas deserves you. I truly feel sorry for Texas.

Howard - 7-14-2010 at 05:48 PM

Is this Knucklehead, Skeet, really Al Campanis in disguise?

Skeet/Loreto - 7-14-2010 at 05:53 PM

Some of you Posters should at least have an opinion or Idea about What I have Posted. Or------------

Are you one of those Weak Minded persons who have been taught to "Attack the person, do not ever attempt to get a Solution"".

Are you one of those Youngsters who TEXTED and TWITTER in class and never learned how to Respond??

Chippy? Is that all you have in your Shallow Mind???

Too Young??

.

Howard - 7-14-2010 at 06:12 PM

I have no idea how to tweet, twitter, fritter or whatever the "kids" do now days. I do not believe I know you and hope that you are just having a bad week with your outrageous comments.

I have no intention of debating you because as Willie Shakespeare said,

"I would you challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!"

Hope you feel better

desertcpl - 7-14-2010 at 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Can never say that Skeet is not amusing. From what I've been able to cobble together, he has lived a life filled with many interesting journeys and many interesting jobs, in a number of locales. Just want to make a tip of the hat to Skeet, because so few of us could ever imagine what he has done, and witnessed. That said, addressing unions- I often get a pain in the pit of my stomach as I witness the widespread bashing of the union movement in the uS. Virtually none of us who are still above ground and posting on this forum were witness to the incredible abuses committed by the business community in the early part of the 20th century. It was, in fact, especially after WWII when the union movement was instrumental in creating a vast and vibrant middle class in America. Perhaps the halcyon days of the American empire. But, as the century went on, especially with the election of Reagan, who notoriously fired the traffic controllers, the union movement fell out of favor, despite the fact that it was probably the single most important factor in making the USA what so many folks today seems to feel that it is. Alas, it's no longer true.

[Edited on 7-14-2010 by Bajahowodd]

my mother was a coal miners daughter,, read your history about that

Curt63 - 7-14-2010 at 07:31 PM

Skeet, I dont care what you know, what you did, or who you know. ************.

Make no mistake. The failure of many students in our educational system is the breakdown of the family and a failure in parenting. Don't blame the teachers or the union. Teachers (grade 6-12) usually spend 5 hours a week with their students.

Get a life. I'm sick of your posts. ************************. This site is for Baja enthusiasts.

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by BajaNomad]

The Sculpin - 7-14-2010 at 07:51 PM

Skeet-ers! you old dog! Sounds to me you need some serious nekkid motorcycle riding! Your statement "Unions have no business representing people" is really quite a whopper! Bridges represented the longshoreman and warehousemen. Aren't these people? I think what you're really peeed off about is the arbitrary grouping of individuals who refer themselves as pangueros rationing the guide work among themselves with absolutely no concern for said panguero's training, skil level and competency. That's not a union!!

Regardless, I'll share a snort of hooch with ya anytime!

On another note has anyone been to Cocina Terri's in San Carlos (Mag Bay)? We got royally ripped off there and was wondering if anyone had a similar experience.

DENNIS - 7-14-2010 at 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Howard

"I would you challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!"

Willy said that??? :lol:

KASHEYDOG - 7-14-2010 at 08:36 PM

Jeez, Skeet!!! You sure got 'em riled up again

Better be careful I think I heard someone say :fire:

"get a rope". What subject are you going to post tomorrow to top this much fun :lol:

Willy said that???

Howard - 7-14-2010 at 08:52 PM

Yep, it was none other than Willie Shakespeare

Here is a few more favorites of mine attributed to William Shakespeare

"Come, gentlemen, I hope we shall drink down all unkindness"

"Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once."

KASHEYDOG - 7-14-2010 at 09:52 PM

Quote:

as Willie Shakespeare said,

"I would you challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!"

Hope you feel better

I thought it was W.C. Fields :?:

[Edited on 7-15-10 by KASHEYDOG]

Bajatripper - 7-15-2010 at 06:54 AM

Quote:

my mother was a coal miners daughter,,

But can you sing?

Marc - 7-15-2010 at 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Howard
Yep, it was none other than Willie Shakespeare

Here is a few more favorites of mine attributed to William Shakespeare

"Come, gentlemen, I hope we shall drink down all unkindness"

"Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once."

How about Oscar Wilde: "We always kill the ones we love. A brave man kills with a knife. A coward kills with words."

DianaT - 7-15-2010 at 07:45 AM

A favorite one---and seems to fit well here.

Ignorance per se is not nearly as dangerous as ignorance of ignorance.

Sydney J. Harris

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 07:54 AM

DianaT

:Ignorance is Bliss"">>

"The Truth sometimes Hurts"!

pacificobob - 7-15-2010 at 08:12 AM

ever enjoy a weekend? thank a union.

DianaT - 7-15-2010 at 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pacificobob
ever enjoy a weekend? thank a union.

and/or
ever enjoy health insurance
ever enjoy retirement benefits
ever enjoy a living wage
ever enjoy a 8 hour work day
ever enjoy safer work conditions

and lots more.
:yes:

LancairDriver - 7-15-2010 at 09:43 AM

I get the distinct impression Skeet doesn't like tax dollar parasites!

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LancairDriver
I get the distinct impression Skeet doesn't like tax dollar parasites!

I get the distinct impression Skeet doesn't like much in general!

Bajatripper - 7-15-2010 at 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LancairDriver
I get the distinct impression Skeet doesn't like tax dollar parasites!

Just wondering what "tax dollar parasites" have to do with unions since the latter represent WORKERS?

Surely you didn't mean all of those giant corporations that receive by far the largest amount of distributed tax dollars, did you?

Yeeeeeeehhhhaaaaa! That's my 100th post. Now I'm a real Nomad!

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by Bajatripper]

Bajahowodd - 7-15-2010 at 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT

Quote:

Originally posted by pacificobob
ever enjoy a weekend? thank a union.

and/or
ever enjoy health insurance
ever enjoy retirement benefits
ever enjoy a living wage
ever enjoy a 8 hour work day
ever enjoy safer work conditions

and lots more.
:yes:

The problem seemed to occur when a number of large and wealthy unions became a bit too full of themselves and continually escalated demands for pay and benefits. Ultimately, many employers (corporations)just shipped the jobs out of the country in response. I don't think the US was ever in a healthier condition than when there was a fair balance between the owners and the workers. In recent times, the power emanates from the board room.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 01:12 PM

Oh: DianaT!
I have enjoyed most every minute of my Life and am still Hanging in there!
Health insurance;--Just kicked up another $40 a Month on my Sipplemental

Retirement benefits__Started paying into Soc. Sec. in 1943 at 12 years old.
Did not pay in the last 10 years before retirment as I was self employed working 17 hours a Day. Now get $700 a month,

Best wage I ever nade worked as Aviation Accident Investigator-claim Mgr $15,000 a year.

Enjoy an 8 hour day.==No always had to work many more hours to pay my Taxes!

Safe Work Conditions- Always kept my Eyes and ears open. Took care of my own Safety.

Was 40 years old working for someone else when I realized that if I was going to go to Baja and really Retire I was going to have to do something on my own.
Did it an retired when I was 53 years old.

Had to pay $85,000 in Taxes about 3 years ago. Really hurts when you see where a lot o your Hard earned money goes especially to "Dumb Butt Teachers" who keep their Jobs only because the Union Forces the Districts to keep them.

Ever wonder why there are so many new Church and Charter Schools??
Check out San Jaciento Academy Amarillo TX/or Arbor Academy Amarillo TX/

Unions are responsible for $50,000 Aurto mobiles, Free School Lunches for Millions of Obese Children.

Unions are only good for the making of Material Goods not the Teaching of our Children!!!!!

DianaT - 7-15-2010 at 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd

Quote:

Originally posted by DianaT

Quote:

Originally posted by pacificobob
ever enjoy a weekend? thank a union.

and/or
ever enjoy health insurance
ever enjoy retirement benefits
ever enjoy a living wage
ever enjoy a 8 hour work day
ever enjoy safer work conditions

and lots more.
:yes:

While I agree with you that for a time the Unions became too large and powerful and acted as poorly as did the large corporations, I do not believe that is the main reason the corporations moved off shore.

Yes, the large corporations are looking for cheap labor, but they are looking for labor that is way, way below what could be considered any kind of a low living wage in the US. Also, the corporations with their bought off politicians receive tax benefits for going off shore for the US government. I am not talking about lower tax rates in other countries for corporations, something the right wingnuts and corporate supporters like to claim, because there is a very large difference between the stated corporate tax rate in this country and the actual taxes they pay.

The unions are what created the middle class in this country---a middle class that made this country such a success. Sad to see more and more of the middle class falling into the lower economic classes --- even the major Fascist, Henry Ford knew that workers needed to be paid enough to buy his cars.

But it seems that today so many people vote against their own best interest---they are puppets for the corporate monsters and remain ignorant as to what is happening to them and the country.

As my bumper sticker states, "When I see the America Flag it Makes Me Proud to be a Liberal" This country was founded by an incredible group of liberals--liberal in politics and religion. It was not perfect, nor all inclusive, but it has continued to be a work in progress.

Unfortunately, there are forces today that are working against the real traditions of this country. But like other radical religious revival movements and radical jingoistic political movements in the past, I believe this too shall pass.

Guess I am still an optimist. But without the unions, there will be no middle class which is what creates something other than a third world country.

Skeet, once I was criticized for viewing you as nothing more than comic relief----but if I did not see you that way, well, the alternative would be real unpleasant.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 03:10 PM

Truth DianaT.

In my Generation I saw
Poverty, like the WPA which my Father worked for.
I worked in the Field and yes walked a Mile and a Halpf to School among the Rattlesnakes.
I worked Cattle.
I was a HOBO for 2 years.
I went to War. People during World War 2

I observed what happened to Japanese during and after World War 2
I Graduated from College
I worked South Central LA as a Special Investigator and later observed the Watts Riots.
I worked in Oakland Calif. and observed the LBJ Economic Opportunity Act being worked.
I became a Pilot.
I went to Baja and spent a total or 38 years in Baja Sur.

I collected and ate a Lot of Lobster supplied by Keko and Juan who allowed me to go with them and check their traps at San Giorgio{just a little South of where you are}
I sold Mexicanos peoples Property because they did not Trust Americanos.

I learned early in Life that you work hard, save your money and you will not need some Blabber Mouth with Socialist or Commie telling you "How to live your Life.

Now DianaT What is your Story?? Where did you gain all your Knowledge.

Skeet/Truth Talker

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 03:23 PM

If you are 80 now, and ww2 ended in 1945. That would make you 15 at the wars end. Did you join the army in 1939 at age 9? Where you a HOBO before this?

My grandfather, who recently passed away at age 91, was in the navy during ww2.

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Lookin the Mirror every day:

What do I see??
An old 80 year old Fart with Arthritis in both hands causing my left little finger to hit the S instead of the X aong other mishaps.

Skeet

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by fishabductor]

chippy - 7-15-2010 at 03:26 PM

Skeet = Ignorance.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 03:37 PM

Sorry about that I noticed it after I had posted it.
Born 1931 Sweetwater Texas

Listened to FDR's Speech on a Battery operated Radio. I still remember.

I fought my War in Korea.

flyfishinPam - 7-15-2010 at 03:48 PM

Just to yank your chain... I am starting an independent pangueros union (sindicato) in Loreto! Seriously, this is not a joke.

fishabductor - 7-15-2010 at 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Sorry about that I noticed it after I had posted it.
Born 1931 Sweetwater Texas

Listened to FDR's Speech on a Battery operated Radio. I still remember.

I fought my War in Korea.

Wow...I'd be very curious as to how you could get a war that you fought in confused with another war. :?:

Which one were YOU, Skeet ?

MrBillM - 7-15-2010 at 03:56 PM

Were you observing the Riots anywhere near 108th and Avalon ?

Having been an active participant in the 1965 Watts Riots, I MAY have seen Skeet if he was one of those with the LAPD who Zoomed up and down the streets on Avalon in their patrol units flashing their lights and sirens without slowing down while the rest of us "civilians" were defending what we could.

What a Joke. The cops would come zooming by, the crowds of Rioters/Looters would part and then throw rocks at them as they swept past. The irony was that they "could" have gained control. We found out quickly that none of those celebrating wanted to challenge anybody with a gun.

After those days, NOBODY need tell me to put my faith in Law Enforcement when the Crap hits the fan.

The one upside to the riots for us was all the liberated merchandise, including brand-new guns, we bought at super prices afterwards. Wished I could have taken out a Bank Loan to purchase contraband. I might have gotten rich.

Would have spent it all, though.

[Edited on 7-15-2010 by MrBillM]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-15-2010 at 04:30 PM

Pam:

It did not work several years ago and it will not work in the future.

You know the control in Loreto, The Local Fisherman will take care of the Wantobe Fisherman. Please don't get to involved as the word will get around and you might lose some good business when people like me tell the Truth about Cooperative Fishing in Loreto.

Skeet

rocmoc - 7-15-2010 at 05:47 PM

First let me say I am not a fan of Unions. With that said, Unions served a purpose in the early days of the Industrial Revolution of the USA. At that time the workers were nearly servants of their employer with low wages, high hours of work and poor unsafe working conditions. Later this reversed and ruined the USA manufacturing sector.

Now in Mexico if the workers are being paid a fair wage, reasonable hours & good safe working conditions; there is no reason for a Union. If not, someone needs to come to their aid and that maybe a Union. In most of the 20,000+ miles of travel we have completed in all of Mexico plus numerous fly-in trips I would say the common worker of Mexico could use a little help & education. If not Mexico will probably remain a two class country of the Haves & Have-nots! JMHO!

rocmoc n AZ/Baja

DianaT - 7-15-2010 at 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Just to yank your chain... I am starting an independent pangueros union (sindicato) in Loreto! Seriously, this is not a joke.

Good for you!

Iflyfish - 7-15-2010 at 08:41 PM

flyfishinpam

sign me up for a trip!!

Iflyfish

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 06:31 AM

Mr. Bile" It was at 105th and Hoover where I would go for Lunch.
Any kind of Meat you could think about.

Skeet

Russ - 7-16-2010 at 06:59 AM

I'm not biting! I'm here to get away from all that! It's time to move this over to OFF TOPIC :fire:

Mexicorn - 7-16-2010 at 07:11 AM

Funny Post! Let me know when the California Correctional Peace Officers get involved in the politics of running prisons in mexico. :lol:

Distant Skeet Observations

MrBillM - 7-16-2010 at 09:06 AM

105th and Hoover wasn't exactly in the Belly of the Beast. A good choice for a "cautious" observer, though. Especially if that "observing was done AFTER the National Guard moved in and things were under control.

But, I'm sure we couldn't have won without you, Skeet.

Sure.

Bajatripper - 7-16-2010 at 11:39 AM

Skeet
I had wondered about your utter lack of reference--until now--of military service. Usually men of your generation like to drop that into the conversation rather early.

Now we know why. Either you are a very confused old man (lots of evidence to back this up, if you choose that out), or you like to engage in that sport called "Make up a military record" that seems so common to some of a certain political persuation.

So, Skeet, do you really have military service? How do you explain the discrepancy between your age during WWII with your claim to have served in the Japanese campaign? Simple mistake of wars, as you claim?

I'm sorry, Skeet, but since we now have doubts, I'll need to see some sort of proof of military service. Anything short of certified true copies simply won't do. I sure hope it doesn't turn out that you are some pansy-a$$ed weakling, scarty cat who didn't support your country in its time of need. Korea and Vietnam would have been the perfect arenas for you to go kick butt on all that communism and socialism you have such a disdain for.

For the record, my mother wore Army boots during WWII. Bajalera served in the WAC, where she rose from the enlisted ranks before joining the officer core.

As a veteran--and a real war veteran, at that (Persian Gulf War I)--I take umbrage at people who claim to have been and haven't.

And Dennis, I don't take this seriously--I do have a life. But even a full, rich life needs entertainment. And that's what Skeet is for me, entertainment and nothing more.

DENNIS - 7-16-2010 at 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

And Dennis, I don't take this seriously--I do have a life. But even a full, rich life needs entertainment. And that's what Skeet is for me, entertainment and nothing more.

I doubt he will comprehend the full richness of your experience. That the man has feelings is why he is so passionate with his opinions.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 11:58 AM

Tripper" I made a mistake when I did that post, was trying to say that I did WW2 at the Farm in Sweetwater and had memories of Sugar Rationing, eyc. Still remmber going to see Tom Mix and Gene Autry then seeing Walter Whnchill on the Screen.

My dd214 show I was sworn into the U. S. Navy October 1050 attented Boot Camp Farragut San Diego, then to Memphis Tenn, for Aviation mech School
I wiil not get into any discussion with anyone about my Duty.

I did return to North island TO faetupac SERVING AS fLIGHT eNGINEER pby6a, r4d, f4U5 Discharged as 2 Class Petty Officer in Sept. 1954 entered Fresno State College under the G.I> Bill got paid 120 Dollars a Month til Graduating 1958.

If you know How to do it you might check with "Whos Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities for 1957. Think it does mention my service.

Anyway it is something I have never diascussed with anyone not even my Wife. Take it or Leave It.

I will say this much.
I was aboard Ship in Yokohoma Harbor the Day the Japanese Peace Treaty was signed. All Ships were made to Stand off in case of Rioting, which there was none.

DENNIS - 7-16-2010 at 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
If you know How to do it you might check with "Whos Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities for 1957. Think it does mention my service.

Do they call you Skeet? :lol:

I have a sister who is listed in Who's Who In Amercan Students. It's a very prestigous acknowledgment.

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 12:43 PM

No Dennis I go by my Full Name William Harrison. I was named after one of the Greatest Pro. Fighters in the World. Hint He had a Restruant in New York

Can any of you find out who that was?? Challenge!!!They had me as Bill Haggerton in the Book. For my Safety Programs and service on Student Council.

DENNIS - 7-16-2010 at 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Dennis I go by my Full Name William Harrison. I was named after one of the Greatest Pro. Fighters in the World. Hint He had a Restruant in New York

Here ya go, Skeeter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dempsey

Bajatripper - 7-16-2010 at 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Tripper" I made a mistake when I did that post, was trying to say that I did WW2 at the Farm in Sweetwater and had memories of Sugar Rationing,

I will say this much.
I was aboard Ship in Yokohoma Harbor the Day the Japanese Peace Treaty was signed. All Ships were made to Stand off in case of Rioting, which there was none.

So, as a 14-year-old you were onboard a US Navy ship in Yokohama in 1945? The Navy must have changed a lot in the years between your service and mine.

And you confused memories of war rationing in the US with having seen first hand how the Japanese had it, in Japan, I assume?

Yeah, right Skeeterman. Keep trying. I think you were a yellow-bellied coward, that's what I think. That "I don't want to talk about it" approach doesn't work here. You're going to try to convince me that a jet (or recyprocating) mech had horrible war experiences? Not very likely (I, too, was an airdale and know the drill). I suspect your lack of words on the subject reflect your lack of experience. You probably sat out the Korean war on some stateside base, quite common for an airdale in the Navy.

I'm sure you know the difference between a fairy tale and a sea story, but I'll tell you anyway--it's been a while and you may have forgotten. A fairy tale begins "Once upon a time..." and a sea story starts off with "This ain't no s-hit..."

I think you're full of sea stories, Skeeterman.

[Edited on 7-16-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 03:17 PM

Tripper:

Your last Post show just how "Dumb" you are.

Please go to some of your Past Teachers or maybe the records in Wahington DC or maybe even on Goggle and find out that the Final Treaty with japan was signed in Oct 1951.

What a Dummy

kaybaj - 7-16-2010 at 03:29 PM

hmm, looked it up. says that the 1951 treaty was signed in San Francisco

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 03:31 PM

No Sea Stories Tripper Dummy.

But I shall never forget the Beautiful nite on Yokohoma Harbor and the music coming over was "Some Echanted Everning.

DENNIS - 7-16-2010 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Yeah, right Skeeterman. Keep trying. I think you were a yellow-bellied coward, that's what I think.

That was uncalled for. Rude and insensitive.
You, Steve, are on my sht-list.
We will have our day.
What an a-hole you are. I'll illustrate that to you.

Perhaps you feel qualified to bring it on.
I do....and I will.

Bajatripper - 7-16-2010 at 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Sea Stories Tripper Dummy.

But I shall never forget the Beautiful nite on Yokohoma Harbor and the music coming over was "Some Echanted Everning.

From Wikipedia (real easy to find):
On August 28 (1945), the occupation of Japan by the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers began. The surrender ceremony was held on September 2 aboard the U.S. battleship Missouri, at which officials from the Japanese government signed the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, officially ending World War II.

What you are talking about was the Treaty of San Francisco, signed on Sep. 28, 1952. But here, again, is where those pesky facts get in your way. That treaty, signed by 48 other nations, was signed at the War Memorial Opera House in San Francisco, CA. Hence the name, Skeeterman. No ships in Japan participated in that particular treaty signing.

But you go on remembering that beautiful night on Yokohama Harbor, listening to I-don't-care-what...that's why it's called a sea story.

And of course I'm a Dummy, Dummy. Otherwise, I'd find some other entertainment besides messing with a senile old fart.

Cheers, Skeeterman :cool:

BajaGringo - 7-16-2010 at 04:37 PM

I say you all let me pour you a cold Cadillac, raise your glasses in cheer with me and let's talk about this great weather going on here in the northern Baja Pacific.

By the way - the fishing was great today!

:biggrin:

Bajatripper - 7-16-2010 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Yeah, right Skeeterman. Keep trying. I think you were a yellow-bellied coward, that's what I think.

Let me get this straight, Dennis. You used "rude" AND "insensitive" in one sentence in defending Skeet? My God, man, do you realize how ridiculous you seem to many about now?

With all of the adjectives that Skeeterman likes to throw around in his attacks of people, I'm surprised by your reaction, Dennis. That line that you took offense at was nothing more than a dig. I guess I should make use of the little bouncing heads so that comes across better, hu? (as you do).

I don't do "bring it on," my man. I try to stay grounded in the facts and let them speak for themselves. Others will see the truth, or falsehood, of our words and decide for themselves.

I hear from other sources that once someone makes it onto your s-hit list, there's no getting off. A pity, since you seem like you can be helpful, and I know that my friends appreciate the hell out of having me as a friend. But if I've "made the grade," so be it. I'll take honor in that.
That probably means that beers are out on my next trip north, hu?

PS: I would have handled this through a U2U, but then, that's just me. I don't accumulate "macho points."

PPS: What was this thread originally about?

[Edited on 7-16-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 7-16-2010 at 05:11 PM

Tripper Dummy:

Pleae Please TRy to be Nice. If you keep this Bad name calling , other Nomads will wonder about your Mind.!

Be resonable. Tell us about yourself. Retiered Milatary? Marine Corp. Worked at Camp Pendleton??

Come on Fess Up are you a POW!!

Skeet

kaybaj - 7-16-2010 at 05:13 PM

so much for the leave of absence :lol:

DENNIS - 7-16-2010 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
Let me get this straight, Dennis. You used "rude" AND "insensitive" in one sentence in defending Skeet? My God, man, do you realize how ridiculous you seem to many about now?

No...I don't. I respect to a point of life itself, loyalty.

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With all of the adjectives that Skeeterman likes to throw around in his attacks of people, I'm surprised by your reaction, Dennis. That line that you took offense at was nothing more than a dig.

Bullchiiit. What it was, was your efforts to be in control of a beating on Skeet. He doesn't use adjectives to make points.....just words and misdirected words. He writes like he thinks. We, who know him appreciate that.
You should as well. Why in hell have you decided to make him your hobby to degrade and insult with your accusations?
Coward?? What the *** is that all about?

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Besides, I didn't think Skeet needed anyone to defend him

I'm not defending Skeet. I'm defending decency....which you have considered unimportant here.

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I don't do "bring it on,"

I do...as you will see in our future discussions. What's left of you here is mine.
You won't last long.

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I hear from other sources that once someone makes it onto your s-hit list, there's no getting off.

That's right. You brought it on yourself by dissing my buddy, Skeet.
"Coward"???? What the *** is that????

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PS: I would have handled this through a U2U,

I don't use U2U for anything other than a response. My life on Nomad is for all to see.

Pack your bags, dk-head. Adios.

LancairDriver - 7-16-2010 at 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Bajatripper
Yeah, right Skeeterman. Keep trying. I think you were a yellow-bellied coward, that's what I think.

It's pretty obvious who's the yellow bellied coward here. Viscous attacks on an 80 year old individual over nothing are lower than whale dung. I'll put my money on Skeet over the "tripper" in a bar room brawl any day.

Howard - 7-16-2010 at 06:09 PM

I say the sky is up and the water is wet.

I can't wait to find out how you guys are going to tear that apart and get into an argument over this statement!

As BajaGringo says, sit back and enjoy what’s to be enjoyed. Too much crap going on in the world to sweat this sort of stuff.

Bajahowodd - 7-16-2010 at 06:22 PM

Seconded. As I mentioned earlier, the Skeeterman is someone who ought to be considered a treasure. You folks want to be bored all the time?

DianaT - 7-16-2010 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Seconded. As I mentioned earlier, the Skeeterman is someone who ought to be considered a treasure. You folks want to be bored all the time?

Well, put that way----the comedy is always entertaining. :yes:

Skeeter Tales

MrBillM - 7-16-2010 at 09:13 PM

Skeet often reminds me of a Dandy Don Meredith Football aphorism:

"They don't make em like they used to. And they never did".

And, whenever discussion turns to ex-military this / ex-military that, it's worth noting that Timothy McVeigh was a Bronze Star decorated ex-Army Vet.

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by MrBillM]

Marc - 7-16-2010 at 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Tripper" I made a mistake when I did that post, was trying to say that I did WW2 at the Farm in Sweetwater and had memories of Sugar Rationing, eyc. Still remmber going to see Tom Mix and Gene Autry then seeing Walter Whnchill on the Screen.

My dd214 show I was sworn into the U. S. Navy October 1050 attented Boot Camp Farragut San Diego, then to Memphis Tenn, for Aviation mech School
I wiil not get into any discussion with anyone about my Duty.

I did return to North island TO faetupac SERVING AS fLIGHT eNGINEER pby6a, r4d, f4U5 Discharged as 2 Class Petty Officer in Sept. 1954 entered Fresno State College under the G.I> Bill got paid 120 Dollars a Month til Graduating 1958.

If you know How to do it you might check with "Whos Who Among Students in American Colleges and Universities for 1957. Think it does mention my service.

Anyway it is something I have never diascussed with anyone not even my Wife. Take it or Leave It.

I will say this much.
I was aboard Ship in Yokohoma Harbor the Day the Japanese Peace Treaty was signed. All Ships were made to Stand off in case of Rioting, which there was none.

Treaty signed September 8, 1951

Skeet/Loreto - 7-17-2010 at 05:47 AM

Well Nomads; To Explain Yokohoma

All U.S Navy Ships around Japan on the signing of the Final Peace Treaty had to move Off Shore with all Personnel aboard.. There was some evidence that there might be Riots. There were none that I heard about.

BajaGringo - 7-17-2010 at 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There was some evidence that there might be Riots. There were none that I heard about.

Nope. The only riot was here on BajaNomad....

:lol:

Bajatripper - 7-17-2010 at 10:47 AM

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And, whenever discussion turns to ex-military this / ex-military that, it's worth noting that Timothy McVeigh was a Bronze Star decorated ex-Army Vet.

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by MrBillM]

And let us not forget the most famous ex-military screw up of them all, Lee Harvey Oswald.

Measuring Up ?

MrBillM - 7-17-2010 at 02:50 PM

Technically speaking, in the "Proud to be Ex-Military" I would exclude Oswald from the "Honors" competition on two counts:

1. He was not involved in any Wartime activities so scores a Zero in the "served my country in battle" category.

2. As a soldier (Marine in his case), he was an HFO even before leaving for Russian studies.

His marksmanship practice did end up placing him in a special category held by only a few others, BUT his target choice does allow for a little leeway in historical judgment. I have no doubt that there have been other ex-military who had a greater negative impact on Historical events.

We can't include Benedict Arnold, of course, because he was "Current" military. That would also disqualify Hasan.

I suppose you "could" include Robert E. Lee and others along with him who were Ex (U.S.) Military. The judging panel would have to determine eligibility.

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by MrBillM]

Bajatripper - 7-17-2010 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Technically speaking, in the "Proud to be Ex-Military" I would exclude Oswald from the "Honors" competition on two counts:

1. He was not involved in any Wartime activities so scores a Zero in the "served my country in battle" category.

2. As a soldier (Marine in his case), he was an HFO even before leaving for Russian studies.

His marksmanship practice did end up placing him in a special category held by only a few others, BUT his target choice does allow for a little leeway in historical judgment. I have no doubt that there have been other ex-military who had a greater negative impact on Historical events.

We can't include Benedict Arnold, of course, because he was "Current" military. That would also disqualify Hasan.

I suppose you "could" include Robert E. Lee and others along with him who were Ex (U.S.) Military. The judging panel would have to determine eligibility.

[Edited on 7-17-2010 by MrBillM]

I humblingly bow before your superior knowledge and reasoning.

MitchMan - 7-17-2010 at 05:48 PM

Look, unions can be good and they can be bad due to excesses. Pure Capitalism can be good and can be bad due to excesses.

Definitely, definitely any organization that gets powerful can abuse it whether it's big business or big unions. We all know of plenty of examples and plenty of examples are recent examples on both sides of the issue.

The trap that simplistic all or nothing thinking will mislead you to is to take a side that says all and any unionism is BAD (or only GOOD for that matter) just like thinking that all and any capitalism is BAD (or only GOOD for that matter).

Come on, there a bunch of really bright people in this forum, but why is it that even knowledgeable and educated people can be so expert on some things while at the same time be absolutely crazy and/or fanatically one-sided about other things?

Barry A. - 7-17-2010 at 06:05 PM

Well said, Mitchman.

Barry

Marc - 7-17-2010 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
No Sea Stories Tripper Dummy.

But I shall never forget the Beautiful nite on Yokohoma Harbor and the music coming over was "Some Echanted Everning.

Remember the sea store and $1.00 for a carton of Camels? No wonder we all smoked then.

LancairDriver - 7-17-2010 at 08:26 PM

Here is a link to a good video that illustrates the future of unions in the US and is the wave of the future for manufacturing in the US. Probably a better future for Mexico and Baja though.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=...

Bajatripper - 7-18-2010 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Look, unions can be good and they can be bad due to excesses. Pure Capitalism can be good and can be bad due to excesses.

Definitely, definitely any organization that gets powerful can abuse it whether it's big business or big unions. We all know of plenty of examples and plenty of examples are recent examples on both sides of the issue.

The trap that simplistic all or nothing thinking will mislead you to is to take a side that says all and any unionism is BAD (or only GOOD for that matter) just like thinking that all and any capitalism is BAD (or only GOOD for that matter).

Come on, there a bunch of really bright people in this forum, but why is it that even knowledgeable and educated people can be so expert on some things while at the same time be absolutely crazy and/or fanatically one-sided about other things?

Well said, Mitchman. I'd "fan" you if we were on the Huffington Post.

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Keep the Unions out of Baja!!

Please let us all fight the organizing of any Union in Baja.

Skeet

Skeet, you go first!

Wait a minute, wasn't it you who said we should all just leave all the culture alone and accept everything as a part of the culture, including corruption?

I don't know, DianaT: I suspect that Skeet would deem the activities you suggest to be the work of Commies, Socialists or even worse: DEMOCRATS!

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Bajahoood"
You are so right in that the Unions did so good for getting the wages of a Autoworker to $70 per hour so that they could buy those
430, ooo dollar cars .end their Kids to good Colleges.

What Happened?
Teachers Union took over the Schools and ruined a lot of Kids.
No respect
No Disipline
No Honor...

And no PADDLES, damn it!

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Howard
I have no intention of debating you because as Willie Shakespeare said,

"I would you challenge to a battle of wits, but I see you are unarmed!"

Hope you feel better

Right on, Howard! :lol:

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

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my mother was a coal miners daughter,,

But can you sing?

LOL

Cypress - 7-18-2010 at 11:57 AM

The only thing worse than Unions is bad management. Unions were the answer to terrible working conditions. They've served their purpose. Now they are a burden.

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 12:14 PM

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I have a sister who is listed in Who's Who In Amercan Students. I's a very prestigous acknowledgment.

It must be different, then, from the other Who's Who publications. I am listed in a few of them, and they seem pretty bogus, to me.

[Edited on 7-18-2010 by MsTerieus]

DENNIS - 7-18-2010 at 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

It must be different, then, from the other Who's Who publications. I am listed in a few of them, and they seem pretty bogus, to me.

You must be right. Who better to make that evaluation.

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
The only thing worse than Unions is bad management. Unions were the answer to terrible working conditions. They've served their purpose. Now they are a burden.

I think Mitchman alluded to this, above: When unions became powerful and abused their power, they stopped serving a good purpose. I'd add that when ANY entity -- whether corporate or individual -- can be good or bad, and power plus greed is what makes most of the bad ones bad. Power corrupts.

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

It must be different, then, from the other Who's Who publications. I am listed in a few of them, and they seem pretty bogus, to me.

You must be right. Who better to make that evaluation.

That wasn't called for, Dennis.

DENNIS - 7-18-2010 at 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Power corrupts.

Nonsense. Some people can be corrupted by power, but power in the right hands is a gift.

DENNIS - 7-18-2010 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

That wasn't called for, Dennis.

So what? Very little that I say or do here is called for.

MsTerieus - 7-18-2010 at 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
Power corrupts.

Nonsense. Some people can be corrupted by power, but power in the right hands is a gift.

I concede -- it's possible. But that doesn't seem to be the case with respect to corporations or politicians....

Bajatripper - 7-18-2010 at 01:48 PM

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So what? Very little that I say or do here is called for.

Now, you see, Dennis, that's what I'm talking about, right there. You seem to know what you do isn't right, yet you go on doing it.
You are obviously a smart man, you write well and you have some great things to contribute to this board.

Why do you bring all of that down with this other character that shows up so often?

Just wondering

DENNIS - 7-18-2010 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

Just wondering

Ya know....I don't need your evaluations.

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