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San Felipe Adopt A Tire

CortezBlue - 8-15-2010 at 09:17 PM

Driving back from San Felipe today and noticing an increase in the number of tires laying along the road in various conditions. It dawned on me, if all of the folks that drive down to San Felipe picked up a bad tire and delivered it to a dump or recycling center in either SF or Mexicali, the road would be cleaned up in no time.

My amigo in SF woks for Agulera Llantera, yes DK, it is spelled wrong. and I will ask him if he knows what they do with the old tires.

Have at it

Bwana_John - 8-15-2010 at 09:33 PM

I think they burn them in the pits east of Mex 5, south of Mexicalli;

At least that is what I have seen a couple of times.

It might be better enviormental option to leave them dispersed instead of concentrating them for burning.

Donjulio - 8-15-2010 at 09:42 PM

Anyone wants to bring them to the food bank we will take them and use them for building materials.

tjBill - 8-16-2010 at 12:04 AM

One of the problems is the tires containment the soil and water when it rains




[Edited on 8-16-2010 by tjBill]

[Edited on 8-16-2010 by tjBill]

Those responsible...

Dave - 8-16-2010 at 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by CortezBlue
if all of the folks that drive down to San Felipe picked up a bad tire and delivered it to a dump or recycling center in either SF or Mexicali, the road would be cleaned up in no time.


Should clean up the mess.

If I invite guests to my home I wouldn't expect them to take out my garbage.

CortezBlue - 8-16-2010 at 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by CortezBlue
if all of the folks that drive down to San Felipe picked up a bad tire and delivered it to a dump or recycling center in either SF or Mexicali, the road would be cleaned up in no time.


Should clean up the mess.

If I invite guests to my home I wouldn't expect them to take out my garbage.


I guess your sliver of a narrow view is possible, however I was brought up differently.

If I were am guest in your home, I would, take out the garbage and offer my help with any obvious problems that you may have in your home.

That being said, I am not a guest in Mexico, I am a few years away from being a citizen and I am currently a legal resident,so as a guess in my home, if you want, feel free to help it stay clean by grabbing a tire or two.:tumble:

wilderone - 8-16-2010 at 07:33 AM

I watched a TV program once about a guy who takes old tires and turns them into paving blocks used by municipalities for sidewalks, garden mulch, and I don't know what else. Makes millions. Just an idea, some ingenuity, hard work, maybe a small business loan - you have a nice business with jobs for a few and clean up the planet too. The Mexican govt is so retarded - they can offer training programs -a night course in every small town "How to Effectively Use an Old Tire to Avoid Dumping in Public Places". No effort whatsoever to prohibit the practice of throwing stuff alongside the highway.
PS: If I were a guest in your home, I'd offer to help make the dinner, bring something to share, and do the dishes in appreciation.

Bajajorge - 8-16-2010 at 08:24 AM

A few years ago when building houses out of tires was the green fad of the week, Hwy5 was clean of tires of any type, zippo, nada, no tires, completely devoid.

Donjulio - 8-16-2010 at 08:33 AM

We have a problem identified. We have a solution offered. Simple

Whos at fault, why the problem exists, what the government does or doesn't do etc. doesn't really matter now does it? And as far as rain in San Felipe. Pretty much non-existent.

Cosmic Baja Harmony

MrBillM - 8-16-2010 at 10:22 AM

OK, we're in complete agreement so the problem will be solved.

Those who consider the vagrant tires a problem will participate in cleaning up that problem and they'll feel really good about themselves while knowing they're superior examples of Human Development.

Those that don't - Won't.

Everything should be this easy.

CortezBlue - 8-16-2010 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
OK, we're in complete agreement so the problem will be solved.

Those who consider the vagrant tires a problem will participate in cleaning up that problem and they'll feel really good about themselves while knowing they're superior examples of Human Development.

Those that don't - Won't.

Everything should be this easy.


So that is called human nature and goes without saying.

People will either do things because they want to and won't if they don't want to. Even if they say that they will do it.

It's not a matter of feeling good or not feeling good, it is a matter of something to do. I think if you lead by example, sometimes it doesn't matter and wont make a bit of difference, but sometimes it may change one person. So maybe if a young Mexican student sees a few gringos cleaning up the road, it may make them think about organizing a group of University students to do the same thing.

PS My thought about doing this was suppose to be something kind of fun and different, not a debate. Kind of like a poker run, no real reason to do it, but in the end it is something to do.

DianaT - 8-16-2010 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by CortezBlue

PS My thought about doing this was suppose to be something kind of fun and different, not a debate. Kind of like a poker run, no real reason to do it, but in the end it is something to do.


No, should not be a debate---it just seems like a good idea, a good project, and I wish you the best of luck.

Since it does not rain very often around here, the old tires are used often as fences----does the job as a low fence, and keeps them collected.

Best of luck and I hope a lot of people who visit that area participate.

baitcast - 8-16-2010 at 11:53 AM

A great way to use those tires is build fish structure or reefs,they been used for years in fresh as well as salt water work wonderful and last forever,if build right and anchored correctly your in business.

The fishing improves,you clean up the place,tourists pour in,its a win win thing.
Rob

[Edited on 8-16-2010 by baitcast]

Barry A. - 8-16-2010 at 12:37 PM

I probably will regret admitting this, but I have hauled dozens (maybe 100's?) of tires out of the boon-docs over the years and deposited them along the main highways on the shoulders, and they always disappeared eventually. I knew of nobody who would take them off my hands unless if I paid them to. This was in the USA, and probably would not work in Baja-----they might just sit there forever down there. :no:

I did this for many years-------I have no real knowledge where they disappeared too, but the back country was sure cleaner. :lol:

(and yes, it did make ME feel good) :yes:

Barry

motoged - 8-16-2010 at 01:47 PM

How long a period of time should pass before you tell the tire it is adopted?:?:

Barry A. - 8-16-2010 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
How long a period of time should pass before you tell the tire it is adopted?:?:


If this is directed at me, Ged, the tires always seemed to disappear in about a week, or less. I assumed that CalTrans picked them up, but never knew for sure. Most of these tires were so old that they had no interest in who 'adopted' them----too senile. :lol:

I do know that CalTrans has money (or used to?) for picking up abandoned vehicles (even hulks) along their right-of-ways-------maybe this applied to 'tires' also, (!?!?!?)

Barry

motoged - 8-16-2010 at 03:53 PM

Barry,
Nope, my comment wasn't directed at anyone....just a wisecrack on the "adoption" issue.....:spingrin:


As for using tires for homes....they have been found to "gas off" toxic fumes.....good application is for landscape application, recycled into asphalt, or liners for outhouse holes....


....but, the tires might not integrate well with others due to attachment disorders related to abandonment or other adoption issues :smug:

[Edited on 8-16-2010 by motoged]

burnrope - 8-16-2010 at 04:27 PM

Are radial tires more adoptable than bias ply tires?

Barry A. - 8-16-2010 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by burnrope
Are radial tires more adoptable than bias ply tires?


Generally speaking, no. Bias ply tires are conservative, tough, stiff but durable, and thereby more desirable and stable, and much more pleasant to be around.

Radials are considered by most to be more progressive, squishy, with vulnerable sidewalls, and thereby troublesome, unstable, and always challenging you, and thus very hard to get rid of, even when blown out.

Always go with a bias ply------you won't regret it.

Barry

Recycling Possibilities

MrBillM - 8-16-2010 at 04:50 PM

The Africans (mostly during conflict) have a unique method for Tire-Recycling that does have its attractions.

Accomplishes two objectives at one time.

Three, if you count the entertainment value.

nbacc - 8-16-2010 at 05:07 PM

We will pick up several tires on the way down...it is a small thing to so to help. It does look awful as you are driving down. Plastic bags also.

Fresh salad

mcfez - 8-17-2010 at 07:15 AM

Building elevated vegi bins with wood is cost prohibitive in most Baja.....try a tire garden

San Felipe ...out in the Edido north of town, there used to be PILES of tires....not many anymore, same coming into town.

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DianaT - 8-17-2010 at 07:34 AM

mcfez
Like that idea!. Besides used for small fences around here, some are turned into fancy planters with fluted edges.

And Barry, I hate to disagree, :lol: but those bias tires tend to be so stiff and as conservative, set in their ways, and not adaptable to new and different environments. Thus as the radials are open, progressive, and more adaptable to change, they are surely more adoptable. :lol::lol:
PS---I like what you did with the old tires in the back country---good one.

And if all else fails with the tires, they do make almost indestructable soles for shoes----just cannot wear them out.

Hope everyone will feel good and either adopt an old tire or take one to a proper burial ground.

Diana

Pescador - 8-17-2010 at 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by CortezBlue
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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by CortezBlue
if all of the folks that drive down to San Felipe picked up a bad tire and delivered it to a dump or recycling center in either SF or Mexicali, the road would be cleaned up in no time.


Should clean up the mess.

If I invite guests to my home I wouldn't expect them to take out my garbage.


I guess your sliver of a narrow view is possible, however I was brought up differently.

If I were am guest in your home, I would, take out the garbage and offer my help with any obvious problems that you may have in your home.

That being said, I am not a guest in Mexico, I am a few years away from being a citizen and I am currently a legal resident,so as a guess in my home, if you want, feel free to help it stay clean by grabbing a tire or two.:tumble:


I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right.

Donjulio - 8-17-2010 at 07:40 PM

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I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right.


This isn't the case at all in San Felipe. As a matter of fact there are certain Mexican businessmen leading the campaign here to first clean up the streets, roads, sidewalks and beaches and starting programs to keep them that way. Don't use that as an excuse to not help.

The whole implied superiority thing I believe might be your own perception and interpretation.

this is very correct

mcfez - 8-17-2010 at 08:02 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Donjulio
I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right.


This isn't the case at all in San Felipe. As a matter of fact there are certain Mexican businessmen leading the campaign here to first clean up the streets, roads, sidewalks and beaches and starting programs to keep them that way. Don't use that as an excuse to not help.

The whole implied superiority thing I believe might be your own perception and interpretation.


Donjulio is very right about this. A while back ago.....Downtown Merchants and the Rotary Club (and I am sure a few others involved) got together with a clean it up campaign. If I am correct...they got the highway from outside of Mexicali to SF cleaned up with help from the Mexicali politicians .

Seen this happen in other towns as well...in the USA!

CortezBlue - 8-17-2010 at 09:11 PM

Quote:
I find it interesting that you do not consider yourself a guest in Mexico but culturally you still are and always will be a guest. Most of the natives get a good laugh over the people who are always trying to "clean up the place" and are aware of the subtly implied superiority of that particular action. We had a woman from Canada in our small village and the natives laughed every year that "Mrs. Clean" was about to make an appearance where she swept through the village with her pickup and went door to door on her clean up the village campaign. They certainly did not mind that she did that and some of them found it rather curious and saved their trash for when she would appear. The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign.
I choose to keep my personal property clean and always looking great because that is what makes me feel the best, but there is a very fine line of what is considered acceptable by the locals when it comes to this issue. So yes it may be your home now, but you will always be considered an outsider and need to understand and have some respect for the local feelings when you exercise that right.



It is my home. Home has nothing to do with the culture that surrounds it. Home is where you make it. Culturually, I don't think I will ever be a Mexican or Italian or American. However, that doesn't mean that I won't give new Mexican things a try. And it doesn't mean that I won't be laughed at. In fact I probably have met many Mexicans because I was so out of place. They laughed at me and then helped me understand what I was doing, that made them laugh.
Los Lonley Boy's have a song called Guero's in the Barrio.
One of the young men that helps me around my house I started calling Guero. He took it funny and laughed every time I called him that. That day after work have a few beers he explained to me that I was Guero. I had no idea it meant a white person. We had a great laugh and now all of the guys are calling themselves Guero.
I will take a laugh any day over a snear and a bad attitude.

You need some folks to laugh at you, it sounds like. I think I call you Oscar.

wilderone - 8-18-2010 at 07:42 AM

"The words that they used to describe her were less than positive and there was a subtle undercurrent of resentment that she took it upon herself to start a cleaning campaign."

Objectively that may the case, but it's possible their egos were bruised and their pride prevented them from joining in the effort. You know how macho Mexicans are. Too bad Mexicans don't welcome gueros and gueras into their communities - LIKE WE DO IN THE US (and don't go off on a tangent about illegal vs. legal immigration - I'm talking about a nation built of immigrants - Italian, Somalia, Vietnamese, etc). Maybe Mexicans need to learn a few things about immigrants, civic duty and respect for their neighbors -of all races.

TMW - 8-18-2010 at 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
I probably will regret admitting this, but I have hauled dozens (maybe 100's?) of tires out of the boon-docs over the years and deposited them along the main highways on the shoulders, and they always disappeared eventually. I knew of nobody who would take them off my hands unless if I paid them to. This was in the USA, and probably would not work in Baja-----they might just sit there forever down there. :no:

Barry


Barry the local landfill takes them for free for recycling, at least here in Bakersfield.

durrelllrobert - 8-18-2010 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by tjBill
One of the problems is the tires containment the soil and water when it rains

[Edited on 8-16-2010 by tjBill]

a real problem for the tarantulas, scorpions and ground squirrels :lol::lol:

durrelllrobert - 8-18-2010 at 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone
I watched a TV program once about a guy who takes old tires and turns them into paving blocks used by municipalities for sidewalks, garden mulch, and I don't know what else. Makes millions.


don't they still use old tires for the soles on Huraches (sp?) :?:

DENNIS - 8-18-2010 at 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert


don't they still use old tires for the soles on Huraches (sp?) :?:


They've been having problems with the steel-belted sandals at the airports. Lots of noise when walking through the metal detectors. That's why Gucci quit making them.

durrelllrobert - 8-18-2010 at 09:50 AM

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If I am correct... cleaned up with help from the Mexicali politicians


What? I've never heard of politicans cleaning up anything :lol:

windgrrl - 8-19-2010 at 07:45 AM

While browsing for info on Cabo Pulmo issues, I found info on a joint US/Mexico tire recovery program along with some other contaminant diversion project info:
http://www.epa.gov/border2012/docs/bulletins/CA_BJ_Waste_bulletin_2008_Eng_v11.pdf[/url]

Bajajorge - 8-19-2010 at 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Building elevated vegi bins with wood is cost prohibitive in most Baja.....try a tire garden

San Felipe ...out in the Edido north of town, there used to be PILES of tires....not many anymore, same coming into town.

[Edited on 8-17-2010 by mcfez]


The ejido north of San Felipe also has a hugh house built from tires. It's painted a bright red orange color, just looks like a house with lumpy walls.

bajalou - 8-19-2010 at 12:34 PM

She (can't remember her name) actually built 3 or 4 houses from tires.

Campo Ocotillo has used tires for retaining walls for many years. Of course when hurricane Nora hit in 97, they were scattered for miles up and down the beaches.

meme - 8-19-2010 at 01:36 PM

The woman in the Ejido who built the houses from tires---Melody ? but I cant remember her last name either?

bajalou - 8-19-2010 at 01:37 PM

That's who I was thinking of, Melody.

mcfez - 8-20-2010 at 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by bajalou
She (can't remember her name) actually built 3 or 4 houses from tires.

Campo Ocotillo has used tires for retaining walls for many years. Of course when hurricane Nora hit in 97, they were scattered for miles up and down the beaches.


We finally convinced Salvador to rid the tires (a few years ago)! 70% are gone. bajalou......you know folks in Campo Ocotillo? We have the house on the "y" that looks like an 1800's mission (or a Taco Bell!). Has bell tower.

Also...yes the orange house is a tire house out there in the North edido .....across from them..there are two more tire houses built about the same time.

[Edited on 8-20-2010 by mcfez]

windgrrl - 8-20-2010 at 07:35 AM

There's more to tires than maladaptive personality issues. Some have self actualized through transformative engineering :dudette:

http://www.bestpricetoys.com/tire-swingskids-swing/

mcfez - 8-20-2010 at 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by meme
The woman in the Ejido who built the houses from tires---Melody ? but I cant remember her last name either?


Melody...yes. She sold that cool home.

bajalou - 8-20-2010 at 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
...you know folks in Campo Ocotillo? We have the house on the "y" that looks like an 1800's mission (or a Taco Bell!). Has bell tower.
[Edited on 8-20-2010 by mcfez]


I've known Shirley Thompson since before they moved to Ocotillo. also Bert the computer guy and a few others. I contacted someone for you about something - don't remember what - when you first moved a trailer on your property there several years ago.

mcfez - 8-20-2010 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by bajalou
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Originally posted by mcfez
...you know folks in Campo Ocotillo? We have the house on the "y" that looks like an 1800's mission (or a Taco Bell!). Has bell tower.
[Edited on 8-20-2010 by mcfez]


I've known Shirley Thompson since before they moved to Ocotillo. also Bert the computer guy and a few others. I contacted someone for you about something - don't remember what - when you first moved a trailer on your property there several years ago.


Oh yeah..Burt. Love that guy! He has the old trailer now, we gave it to him. Adrian (his wife)..... is indeed the best cook I have ever come across! Our home is kitty corner from them. Let Burt know know that you have been talking to deno.

Shirley Thompson.....story goes...saved Salvador from a serious booze issue many decades ago. We call her the Queen of the campos behind her back :-) Great lady

And Lou.....thank you for what the help was...I think I needed info on the campos itself before investing there. Come to think of it...I never showed up to delivery fish tacos I said I bring to you for that help. Will honor that when I am on the Cortez side next December.