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New Walmart in CD Constitution

ncampion - 9-26-2010 at 06:20 AM

The word is that there is a new building on the North end of CD Constitution that is going to be a new Walmart. That should give the cops there some "fresh meat" coming to town to shop.

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oladulce - 9-26-2010 at 07:32 AM

Two days ago I noticed intensive construction on a large warehouse-looking building on the north end of Constitución, which caught my eye because I hadn't seen it just 2 weeks ago. I wondered why the big building had a set-back off the hwy- parking lot?

I wouldn't have thought there would be the customer base to support a Walmart in Cd C.?

I don't want to get too excited yet, unless the rumor is that it will be Super Walmart selling food,meat, and a bakery.

vandenberg - 9-26-2010 at 08:29 AM

Oladulce,
Those were my thoughts exactly.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2010 at 08:44 AM

Dulce:
There is a good Customer base within a 50 mile radius of Constitution. Youwould be surpised at the number of people working on Farms and Dairies.
If you turn South at Ejido Fresno and go about 6 miles there is a 1,000 Cow Dairy. That is just One of 5 Ejidos in that area.

Reports up here in the States is that Wal-mart is going to Start a Bunch of Small Stores. Interesting.

It's a GOOD day when Walmart comes to Town

MrBillM - 9-26-2010 at 09:41 AM

EVERYBODY should live within a short driving distance to Walmart.

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
EVERYBODY should live within a short driving distance to Walmart.

And Costco although my needs for the Brick and Mortar stores are withering. I've got it down now where I can buy most anything except frozen foods online. Maybe I'll test that shortcoming at Ben and Jerry's . com.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2010 at 10:09 AM

Dennis:
You want to be very careful about which foods you buy on the Net.
Did you happen to see the info on the "China Chickin Wings".

ncampion - 9-26-2010 at 10:23 AM

According to the 2005 census Constitution had a population of 37,200. Plus San Carlos, Lopez Mateo and Insurgentes are right near-by. I'm sure the Walmart people know how to do demographic studies by now.

bajajudy - 9-26-2010 at 10:28 AM

Rumor control has a Walmart going in here in San Jose, too. They are clearing the land below the Ley's shopping center and just across from the bus station.

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dennis:
You want to be very careful about which foods you buy on the Net.
Did you happen to see the info on the "China Chickin Wings".

I didn't see that one, Skeet, but I do remember the Sars epidemic when China had to kill about a trillion chickens. One would easily assume that these dead birds would be disposed of, but I think they're still being sent to the states as pet food. "Wagin Train" chicken jerky is one example and it isn't cheap.

Anyway...thanks, Skeet.

oladulce - 9-26-2010 at 12:16 PM

The plethora of abandon storefronts throughout Constitución must be misleading. Not just a few of them but many, many empty buildings are spread throughout the town. I read an article recently that in the 1960's and 70's there were big prospects for the town and significant growth in population and business. Then the economy fallout in the 80's had a drastic impact on the town that brought everything to a halt and many of the abandon businesses are left from 20 yrs ago. But these are small abandon stores, not Walmart size.

Super Ley , EPS hardware, and lumber yards in Cd C seem to do good business. I've only been in Coppel and Elecktra a few times and there were a few customers in there.

I agree I think they'd have customers from not only the surrounding nearby towns, but also Loreto and outlying towns even farther away such as ours. I'm just suprised that Walmart may think the area is worthy.

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 12:22 PM

Could it be a WalMart warehouse? They turn a lot of inventory and it could be shipped in through La Paz.

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2010 at 12:48 PM

There are currently two WalMarts in BCS. Cabo and La Paz. In the case of San Jose, I suppose that if Soriana can support two stores in Los Cabos, so should WalMart.

As for a store opening in Cd. Constitucion, I recall that over the years there have been a number of posts on this forum from folks in the Loreto area, and in some cases, even Mulege, that have driven down to La Paz to shop. So, it would seem to me that a new WalMart at the North end of CC makes abundant sense. Right now, there is really but a single supermarket in the area- Ley.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2010 at 01:00 PM

There is something else that is making things interesting.
there is an increase in the Price and Production of corn which is driving the economy.

Cypress - 9-26-2010 at 01:12 PM

Always try to live at least 30 miles from the nearest WAL-MART.

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2010 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
There is something else that is making things interesting.
there is an increase in the Price and Production of corn which is driving the economy.

Ethanol!? The increase in corn will work its way up the chain, with resulting higher prices for meat, and stuff that uses corn sweetener.

BajaRat - 9-26-2010 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
EVERYBODY should live within a short driving distance to Walmart.

Apparently you hit the Walton family business model on the nail head. When Sam Walton started out his plan was to work with U.S. manufacturers and create products that could compete with foreign products. The billionaire children and board have changed that model to mostly cheap inferior products that must be bought over and over again. They do business with countries of questionable human rights policies and in the case of China full blown occupation of sovereign Tibet killing many of its people and destroying many of its ancient temples.
If you look at many of the products in Mexico they are made in Mexico, employing Mexican citizens supporting the Mexican economy. What happened to the small businesses and manufacturing in the U.S. will surely have the same effect on local Mexican business and manufacturing. I enjoy my Mexican durable products, doing business with local Mexican families and knowing that I am supporting the Mexican economy. Haven't these corporations done enough damage to the U.S. economy and its people? :?:

Be good to Mexico and its local merchants and tell Walmart I'll see them in hell.

" But for the love of money they looked the other way "
Lionel

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

Ethanol!? The increase in corn will work its way up the chain, with resulting higher prices for meat, and stuff that uses corn sweetener.

Tortillas. Everybody knows it's Tortillas. They've become a Cooking Channel favorite. :cool:

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2010 at 01:54 PM

But at least in Mexico there is government price control on tortillas! No so on corn, per se.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2010 at 01:54 PM

Dennis: The planting of Corn has increase 100 flod in the past couple of years due to WATER,Dairies being inticed to come here where now the Largest Cheese Company in the World operates{Dalhart TX}. Even here close to Town the Farmers have stopped Wheat and Hay and going to Corn. Which is already sucking down some peoples Wells.

I have many good friends in Constitution and they say it is boomin.

Ajarat Since you are talking about Killing People in various Countries, Why do not you get your Buddies in Mexico to stop shipping DOPE to the States!
It is killing our Children!!!

k-rico - 9-26-2010 at 02:06 PM

Does anybody else think that Mexican Walmarts are expensive places to shop? After the first visit, we haven't shopped at the Walmart closest to us.

Bajahowodd - 9-26-2010 at 02:30 PM

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's not really the same company as NOB. While this article gives a detailed history of what is now known as WalMart de Mexico, it mentions that NOB WalMart is a 51% owner. I've seen elsewhere that the figure is 31%.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/WalMart-de-...

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Does anybody else think that Mexican Walmarts are expensive places to shop? After the first visit, we haven't shopped at the Walmart closest to us.

140 Ps for a quart of Mobile 1. That's expensive.
Everything costs more...some more than others. I don't look at the prices if I want the item. It's just frustrating.
One thing I do miss, is the line of Equate products. I think that's a WalMart brand. No Big-Roy products either. They don't offer a line of cut-rate stuff here.

Rico...you live thirty minutes away from a real WalMart. You have an option.

BajaRat - 9-26-2010 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dennis: The planting of Corn has increase 100 flod in the past couple of years due to WATER,Dairies being inticed to come here where now the Largest Cheese Company in the World operates{Dalhart TX}. Even here close to Town the Farmers have stopped Wheat and Hay and going to Corn. Which is already sucking down some peoples Wells.

I have many good friends in Constitution and they say it is boomin.

Ajarat Since you are talking about Killing People in various Countries, Why do not you get your Buddies in Mexico to stop shipping DOPE to the States!
It is killing our Children!!!

Skeet/Loreto,
Nice off topic response. The countries are not various, Their Tebet and China. Please do not insinuate that you know anyone I know, and please make Spell Check your new best friend. :yawn:

DENNIS - 9-26-2010 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by BajaRat

Tebet

please make Spell Check your new best friend. :yawn:

Jes funnin' wicha, Rat. :lol:

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[Edited on 9-26-2010 by DENNIS]

monoloco - 9-26-2010 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by BajaRat

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBillM
EVERYBODY should live within a short driving distance to Walmart.

Be good to Mexico and its local merchants and tell Walmart I'll see them in hell.

" But for the love of money they looked the other way "
Lionel

Check out the documentary: Walmart: The High Cost of Low Prices

bajafam - 9-26-2010 at 04:22 PM

I agree...that documentary is an eye-opener. After I watched it I refused to shop in Wal-Mart for quite some time. Unfortunately, living in a small town, Wal-Mart is really the only major retailer, since it has put many a Mom and Pop biz out of biz. I think what BajaRat is trying to say is that Wal-Mart has put a major damper on small, local business, and it would be a shame to see that happen in Baja too.

And to Skeet....the difference between Mexico/US relations and Chinese/Tibetan relations is very simple. There is a demand for the drugs on "our" side, so they bring it to us. If there was no demand, there would be no drugs. It's very elementary economics. There was (and is) NO demand for the obliteration of the Tibetan people and culture, but that didn't (and won't) stop the Chinese government from destroying them and attempting to assimilate them. There really is no comparison.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2010 at 05:08 PM

People are dieing because of the Acts of other People to make Money, It does not make any difference . Please do not try to Blame the United States for the "Slaughter of people in other countries. Or did I read your Post Wrong???

bajafam - 9-26-2010 at 06:46 PM

Not blaming the US. If there is blame to place, then I place it on greed and the love of power.

To quote the late, great Jimi Hendrix: "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

So, yes, you read my post wrong

BajaRat - 9-26-2010 at 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaRat

Tebet

please make Spell Check your new best friend. :yawn:

Jes funnin' wicha, Rat. :lol:

Nice work, that's what I get for telling someone to use spell check!!

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[Edited on 9-26-2010 by DENNIS]

Hook - 9-26-2010 at 09:22 PM

We've had a Wally and Sam's Club open in Guaymas in the last 4 months.

Bottom line: for the same items, Soriana's is beating the pants off Walmart and Sam's for the same items.

This is definitely not your NOB Walmart pricing.

But the selection, especially the veges, is quite a bit better at the Walmart.

DianaT - 9-26-2010 at 09:42 PM

The current Wal-Mart model was beginning while Sam was still alive. When we were living in Guatemala, we knew the family who was manufacturing and supplying Wal-Mart with much of their outside plastic furniture and other food storage plastic items. Wal-Mart was still advertising, American ONLY. Garbage.

That family was VERY wealthy because they had been supplying Wal Mart for a number of years.

We knew that family as their kids attended the school where we taught. They were not nice people in any way and they treated their employees like dirt. They and the likes of them are one reason we left that school.

We LOVE Walmart

MrBillM - 9-27-2010 at 08:37 AM

Those who don't down in Baja - No Worries.

According to Almost ALL the detractors here, their prices are high and non-competitive.

Therefore, they won't survive.

and, YOUR problems are solved.

SO, quit worrying and complaining.

Hard to believe they'd make such a bad business decision, even with the lessened ownership position, but it must be true.

It was written here, right ?

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2010 at 04:04 PM

I'm no fan of WalMart. That said, when we spend time in Cabo, we usually shop there. For one reason. Location. I happen to like Soriana. But, in their case and that of formerly CCC, their stores were inconveniently located. Walmart is not only right at the edge of the tourist district, but has, along with their co-located Sam's Club, a dedicated on-ramp/ overpass on Mex 1. Legend has it that when Soriana and CCC were looking to build in Cabo, they were stymied by none other than BCS's first governor, Aramburo, who it is said, used his major political clout to keep any competition from the state. He had a monopoly for years.

DENNIS - 9-27-2010 at 04:11 PM

I particularly like Comercial Mexicana for a lot of reasons.
It seems an incomplete evaluation between stores when price isn't a factor. They're all high relative to the states and true to their form, they keep competition to a minimum. I just don't look at prices in a comparative way anymore. Whatever the price may be, I'm assured it will fit in my budget...somewhere.

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[Edited on 9-27-2010 by DENNIS]

vacaenbaja - 9-27-2010 at 04:50 PM

That whole area is living on borrowed time. As soon as the
aquafers dry up so will everything else.

What Area?

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2010 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by vacaenbaja
That whole area is living on borrowed time. As soon as the
aquafers dry up so will everything else.

comitan - 9-27-2010 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by vacaenbaja
That whole area is living on borrowed time. As soon as the
aquafers dry up so will everything else.

This has been going around for more than 20 years, it seems with all the agriculture it would have happened by now.

oladulce - 9-27-2010 at 05:09 PM

My only experience with Mexican Walmarts has been the La Paz store and no, it's not the same as a US Walmart. No extensive household goods, no fabric and sewing, not much sporting goods or camping items, no spray paint and minimal hardware, one tiny row of auto stuff, not a big selection of lotion and toothpaste etc.

9 volt batteries, the little batteries for calculators/alarms, mini video DVD camera tapes, a decent toaster (for less than $300 p), a pillow, a small framed mirror - so far we've clocked a few hours driving around Cd C trying to locate these items which we were able to find on one trip to Walmart.

I'm very sorry about the plight of Tibet, but unless a Sherpa would like to bring me a battery for my smoke detector, I'll continue to go to Walmart.

If that is going to be a Walmart in Cd C it's mainly the food dept that will make me happy. Food is not cheap here, which I don't have to tell you seasoned veterans of Baja/BCS living.

Super Ley comes close to Walmart prices on some things but the 5-20 peso difference in price on most things starts to add up. Meat, cheese, milk, yogurt...

Of course the only price I can recall to give as an example is a 12 pack of Tecate light:

$110 p local price in my town
$100 p Super Ley
95 p City Club
85 p Walmart

I would pick up a Krokodile lure whenever I was in a CA Walmart before we moved- price $5.95. I saw Krokodiles at the La Paz Walmart- $290 pesos! I am trying extra hard not to loose them on the rocks now.

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2010 at 05:50 PM

Mentioned it before, but might bear repeating. The folks running "WalMex" are not the folks in Arkansas. And they recognize their competition, and go no farther than they have to. It is somehow ironically amusing that Mexico, with a wage structure far below that in the US would be forced to pay more for so many staples. But then. just maybe the US is headed in that same direction. After all, Mexico has witnessed a history of a small oligarchic class holding down the masses. What's been going on NOB looks like they are emulating the same model.

DENNIS - 9-27-2010 at 05:53 PM

When WalMart is the only retailer left, they'll be able to charge anything they want.

comitan - 9-27-2010 at 06:25 PM

In the news tonight they have just bought into Africa.

DENNIS - 9-27-2010 at 06:33 PM

When they start talking about Palestine, I'll sell my stock.

By the way...what do Palestinians do? Do they work or just ride around in pick-up trucks throwing rocks at everything?

desertcpl - 9-27-2010 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
When they start talking about Palestine, I'll sell my stock.

By the way...what do Palestinians do? Do they work or just ride around in pick-up trucks throwing rocks at everything?

YUP

New store is open- not a Walmart

oladulce - 11-9-2010 at 04:38 AM

This new store is open now in Constitución, but it's not a Walmart. It's called "Bodega Aurrera" which is apparently a subsidiary of Walmart de Mexico. It's on Hwy #1, about a block north of the turn off to San Carlos.

It's set up to look like a warehouse store but items are not sold in bulk so it's deceiving at first. It's really just a regular grocery store with a warehouse look.

Refers, stoves, electronics etc looked like very poor quality. One or two sheets to choose from that would fall apart with the first wash.

Same food that I'd just seen at Super Ley and less cheese and dairy selection. The bakery had great looking loafs of fresh french bread but I don't think they've hired their full staff yet because the line for the bakery wasn't worth the wait. The meat looked good but not a big selection.

Produce was pretty good looking compared to Super Ley whose shelves were bare - (Sunday must be a big shopping day there because Mondays are usually slim pickins).

Prices at Bodega compared to Ley or Walmart in La Paz? Not a big difference on the items I compared- some a little less and some a bit more.

All in all, the same items they have at Super Ley but less of a selection. Maybe they're just getting off the ground and will improve. Still no light mayo, good salad dressing, apricot jam, or decent raisins or cat food and litter in Constitución.

capt. mike - 11-9-2010 at 05:51 AM

the most fantastic super store like complex i have ever seen was at San Jose Los cabos a few blocks walk off the entrance to Cabo Azul. i forgot the name - Judy might know? big lot and i think blue ext motif.
i walked there loaded up and took a $5 cab ride back to our condo.
the food and deli was mind blowing.
the liquor and wines selection immense.
the fresh meats and seafoods incredible.
i can't wait to go back, it will be 3 years this next week.