BajaNomad - High HIV Infection Rate

High HIV Infection Rate

BajaNews - 10-3-2010 at 08:19 AM

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/sep/28/high-hiv-infe...

By T.B. Beaudeau
Sept. 28, 2010

Tijuana -

Gay men who took advantage of the free HIV testing offered during a recent health fair this past September 15 gave healthcare officials a disturbing new statistic to ponder regarding the spread of HIV infection in Tijuana.

The testing took place at the Feria de Salud staged at Plaza Santa Cecilia, right next to the Tijuana arch at Revolución and Calle 123, gateway to the city’s notorious nightclub district.

Of the 200 tests administered that day, 20 percent revealed positive results indicating infection. Some of those tested, upon being informed of their infected status, reacted with complete surprise, thinking that HIV infection was possible only if "one had been at it for years,” and that because they were so young it would be impossible for them to be infected.

The president of Fondo de Asistencia para el SIDA (an organization concerned with the tracking of HIV infection trends), Lorenzo Herrera María, offered the estimate that there are 500,000 homosexuals in Baja California and that 15 to 20 percent of them are carriers of HIV. He attributes the increase in HIV infection partially to homophobia, which he says tempts gays to go into denial about their sexuality and to lead closeted lives while engaging in risky behavior such as condom-less sex and drug and alcohol abuse.

Herrera María also stated that laws should be passed that provide penalties for those who try to deliberately infect others with HIV and that clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

Source: El Mexicano

woody with a view - 10-3-2010 at 08:56 AM

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clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

so it's legal to bump uglies in public places? :!:

Woooosh - 10-3-2010 at 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

so it's legal to bump uglies in public places? :!:

No one can say they don't know sex acts take place in the TJ strip clubs. You thin the dancers and patrons go to the back to do jello shots? The sex workers in the legal TJ brothels are licensed and tested- and I don't think that's the problem. Most gay men in Mexico are married with families because they have to conform. The 20% rate does surprise me for testing at a street fair although the TJ arch is a stones throw from the red light district. What does surprise me is the article stated a lot of the infected were young and unaware of the risks. Maybe they think the new drugs make an infection unimportant. Unless you a have $80 a day for the drugs- they do you no good as most of the third world has already found out.

I heard that Washington DC is thinking about mandatory HIV testing at the DMV. If the TJ rate is 20%, DC is at least double.

Some GOOD News Everyday

MrBillM - 10-3-2010 at 11:23 AM

AND, this is No Exception.

Rising HIV rates among At-Risk groups can simply be looked upon as their own reward for their own behavior.

It's unfortunate that it is such a slow-developing disease and so much money will be wasted on those who should have known better and behaved better.

A-M-F

MsTerieus - 10-3-2010 at 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
You thin the dancers and patrons go to the back to do jello shots?

No, Senor. I thin' they do something else weeth the jello.

woody with a view - 10-3-2010 at 11:34 AM

GOING TO THE BACK IS NOT IN PUBLIC.......

Woooosh - 10-3-2010 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
GOING TO THE BACK IS NOT IN PUBLIC.......

um... I'll take your word for it. And let's not make this a gay disease- it was but it isn't. Part of the problem is just that. If people don't identify as being gay- they think they won't get it. I lost an uncle and a cousin to AIDS in the early 90's before the effective drugs came out. My family and I know more than anyone should have to know about it. This "second" wave is out of denial and ignorance and is 100% preventable through education and condom distribution. Blaming them isn't totally out of line in 2010 imho- but it is counter-productive to the solution.

[Edited on 10-3-2010 by Woooosh]

woody with a view - 10-3-2010 at 01:23 PM

who's blaming?

BajaGringo - 10-3-2010 at 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

so it's legal to bump uglies in public places? :!:

I think the term clandestine would infer that they were "going to the back", as they say...

drarroyo - 10-3-2010 at 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
AND, this is No Exception.

Rising HIV rates among At-Risk groups can simply be looked upon as their own reward for their own behavior.

It's unfortunate that it is such a slow-developing disease and so much money will be wasted on those who should have known better and behaved better.

A-M-F

textbook ignorant &ig

woody with a view - 10-3-2010 at 01:35 PM

i guess i read "public" into it somewhere's.....

MsTerieus - 10-3-2010 at 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

so it's legal to bump uglies in public places? :!:

I think the term clandestine would infer that they were "going to the back", as they say...

I'm sorry to criticize you in public, BG, but this is the second time I have seen you post using "infer" incorrectly. You mean "imply." :spingrin:

Grammar Cops

BajaGringo - 10-3-2010 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus

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Originally posted by BajaGringo

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Originally posted by woody with a view

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clandestine, anonymous sex in gay and heterosexual bars should be banned as an effective countermeasure to curb the proliferation of the virus.

so it's legal to bump uglies in public places? :!:

I think the term clandestine would infer that they were "going to the back", as they say...

I'm sorry to criticize you in public, BG, but this is the second time I have seen you post using "infer" incorrectly. You mean "imply." :spingrin:

Grammar Cops

Whatever you say mom...

:rolleyes:

tjBill - 10-3-2010 at 02:55 PM

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Some of those tested, upon being informed of their infected status, reacted with complete surprise, thinking that HIV infection was possible only if "one had been at it for years,” and that because they were so young it would be impossible for them to be infected.

Goes to show that a better public health campaign is needed.

bajafam - 10-3-2010 at 03:17 PM

it also goes to show that our current stance of "circumcision prevents HIV" is so far out in left field you couldn't see it with binoculars.

Ignorance isn't bliss, folks, it's dangerous. To yourself and to everyone around you. Be informed!!

Woooosh - 10-3-2010 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by bajafam
it also goes to show that our current stance of "circumcision prevents HIV" is so far out in left field you couldn't see it with binoculars.

Ignorance isn't bliss, folks, it's dangerous. To yourself and to everyone around you. Be informed!!

They are having success with that approach in Africa. Men who wash themselves carefully "under there" with in twelve hours of sexual contact have much less chance of HIV infection. HIV infection is possible through the skin itself if there are microscopic abrasions- such as "under there". Even as far back as WWII the US soldiers were trained to wash "under there" with their own sterile urine right away. Twelve hours is just gross any that's why circumcision can prevent HIV infection in places where hygiene customs are horrible.

Under "There" over There

MrBillM - 10-4-2010 at 09:32 AM

The LAST place on Earth where we should be concerned with the HIV/AIDS epidemic is Sub-Saharan Africa.

It should simply be looked upon as another of many factors which serve to ameliorate the over-population problem among conflicting tribal antagonists.

In fact, it should be looked upon as one of the favored factors serving to improve the societal difficulties since it is "Mostly" a disease acquired by voluntary actions.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by MrBillM]

Woooosh - 10-4-2010 at 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
The LAST place on Earth where we should be concerned with the HIV/AIDS epidemic is Sub-Saharan Africa.

It should simply be looked upon as another of many factors which serve to ameliorate the over-population problem among conflicting tribal antagonists.

In fact, it should be looked upon as one of the favored factors serving to improve the societal difficulties since it is "Mostly" a disease acquired by voluntary actions.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by MrBillM]

I hope people will pray that your brain will be restored and your typing fingers super-glued together. Shame on you for such ignorance. Educate yourself. HIV/AIDS is the #1 priority of the Gates Foundation (watch 60 minutes last night?) not because it is a gay disease- but because it has the ability to derail civilization.

JoeJustJoe - 10-4-2010 at 01:03 PM

http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/20100923/1-in-5-gay-bi-me...

There is another recent study out by the CDC that makes the claim that 1-in5-gay or bi men have HIV and nearly half don't know it!

That's an alarming number especially when two out of the 21 cites studied that San Diego and Los Angeles were part of the study and found to have high rates of HIV with men who have sixx with other men.

But if you look at the study the CDC went to places like gay bars where the more hardcore young gays are, and of course you might find higher rates of HIV than the more closeted gay, bi, or married men that occasionally have sixx with other men, and more apt to use protection.
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Yes I have read about the so-called African circumcision study that claims that circumcision cuts down on HIV/AIDS by about 60 percent or even prevents HIV in Africa.

It's a shame the study has a lot of flaws in the study. I'm not sure which study Bajafam and Whooosh were looking at? But some of the complaints I read was that a few believed there was a hidden agenda with a few medical fundamentalists with a life goal of cutting all male newborns for religious reasons, and hide behind these type of so-called studies to achieve their goal!

I bet some are saying it sounds far-fetched that medical fundamentalists are running around with knives looking for newborns to cut some skin off of, but if you look at the history of
circumcision. You'll learn that circumcision was once practiced by doctors for a cure of masturbation.

But anyway countries like Brazil say the study lacks merit, and were concerned these types of flawed studies divert needed funds away from medical treatments that might actually work for AIDS/HIV.

I know I know, this subject doesn't fit the lofty ideals of "BN" threads. You guys are too much with that, and I didn't start the subject, but I'll go crawl back in my hole anyway.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by JoeJustJoe]

Bunch of B.S.

MrBillM - 10-4-2010 at 01:19 PM

The HIV/AIDS incidence "outside" of high-risk groups is NOT rising at any significant rate and will NOT threaten to DERAIL Civilization. It will continue to expand in 3rd World Crapholes, among Drug Users and Homosexuals and SO WHAT ! As long as it remains primarily a problem in that context, it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool.

Woooosh - 10-4-2010 at 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
The HIV/AIDS incidence "outside" of high-risk groups is NOT rising at any significant rate and will NOT threaten to DERAIL Civilization. It will continue to expand in 3rd World Crapholes, among Drug Users and Homosexuals and SO WHAT ! As long as it remains primarily a problem in that context, it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool.

Yes, I'm sure the Gates foundation is misinformed and misdirected. The children born with AIDS, who cares... The children orphaned from AIDS, who cares... the females raped and who contract AIDS, who cares. Some people only care about themselves, luckily they have no power and the people with the money to address this issue do.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 10-4-2010 at 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/20100923/1-in-5-gay-bi-me...

There is another recent study out by the CDC that makes the claim that 1-in5-gay or bi men have HIV and nearly half don't know it!

That's an alarming number especially when two out of the 21 cites studied that San Diego and Los Angeles were part of the study and found to have high rates of HIV with men who have sixx with other men.

But if you look at the study the CDC went to places like gay bars where the more hardcore young gays are, and of course you might find higher rates of HIV than the more closeted gay, bi, or married men that occasionally have sixx with other men, and more apt to use protection.
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Yes I have read about the so-called African circumcision study that claims that circumcision cuts down on HIV/AIDS by about 60 percent or even prevents HIV in Africa.

It's a shame the study has a lot of flaws in the study. I'm not sure which study Bajafam and Whooosh were looking at? But some of the complaints I read was that a few believed there was a hidden agenda with a few medical fundamentalists with a life goal of cutting all male newborns for religious reasons, and hide behind these type of so-called studies to achieve their goal!

I bet some are saying it sounds far-fetched that medical fundamentalists are running around with knives looking for newborns to cut some skin off of, but if you look at the history of
circumcision. You'll learn that circumcision was once practiced by doctors for a cure of masturbation.

But anyway countries like Brazil say the study lacks merit, and were concerned these types of flawed studies divert needed funds away from medical treatments that might actually work for AIDS/HIV.

I know I know, this subject doesn't fit the lofty ideals of "BN" threads. You guys are too much with that, and I didn't start the subject, but I'll go crawl back in my hole anyway.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by JoeJustJoe]

Thanks for the post. I don't think circumcision is the absolute answer. Brazil has more clean running water than Africa and men can clean themselves properly within 12 hours of sexual contact. But if men don't have the hygiene habits or the clean water to wash with- circumcision is effective. So are condoms and education. I take your point- but sadly more people worldwide do not have access to clean water than do have it and cleanliness "down there" prevents HIV.

tjBill - 10-4-2010 at 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
There is another recent study out by the CDC that makes the claim that 1-in5-gay or bi men have HIV and nearly half don't know it!

So it looks like the rate in Tijuana is the same with American cities.

JESSE - 10-4-2010 at 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
it is actually beneficial to society as a whole having a Darwinian effect and cleansing the Gene pool.

Idiot, do you understand how offensive that is to the families of loved ones who have died because of drugs and or disease? obviously you don't. Theres good people that are alcoholic, drug addicts, and other things, you have no right to say such things without knowing each individual persons life and problems. As for your comment about cleansing gays from the gene pool, well your just plain old ignorant.

[Edited on 10-4-2010 by JESSE]

drarroyo - 10-4-2010 at 05:47 PM

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textbook denial. You're not alone with your confusing urges.
Think Pastor Ted Hagget / Eddie Long / Joe Olstein.
Nature can move in mysterious ways. Don't beat yourself up too bad!
The real victim is your wife. oh well.

Mexicorn - 10-4-2010 at 06:00 PM

Agreed very homophobic!

No Confusion Here

MrBillM - 10-4-2010 at 07:45 PM

I simply don't CARE.

Those who, for whatever reason, are a part of High-Risk groups and suffer as a result are a fact of life and, given the limited resources available, it is foolish to expend a disproportionate percentage of those resources salvaging lives which aren't likely to be that productive in any case.

The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of productivity and those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if HIV/AIDS isn't the cause of their disability or death.

If people like Gates or other Charitable concerns wish to occupy themselves with doing what they can that is, of course, up to them. It's their time and money.

I just think it's a waste of time and effort that could be spent better in other ways helping out those who show promise and are more likely to contribute to society.

As far as the innocent children born into the situation, there's not much they would probably accomplish if not infected anyway. Too bad about the relatives, but the fault lies in their family, not the rest of the world.

Disease and Death in the Cesspools of Africa, India and the like isn't going to DERAIL civilization. Given the fact that they're grossly Over-Populated at present, it would take a significant decrease to even reach equilibrium.

But, for those of you who wish to brood over the problem, Have at it.

MsTerieus - 10-4-2010 at 08:03 PM

Mr. Bill M: You are a very frightening person! :no:

Woooosh - 10-4-2010 at 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I simply don't CARE.

Those who, for whatever reason, are a part of High-Risk groups and suffer as a result are a fact of life and, given the limited resources available, it is foolish to expend a disproportionate percentage of those resources salvaging lives which aren't likely to be that productive in any case.

The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of productivity and those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if HIV/AIDS isn't the cause of their disability or death.

If people like Gates or other Charitable concerns wish to occupy themselves with doing what they can that is, of course, up to them. It's their time and money.

I just think it's a waste of time and effort that could be spent better in other ways helping out those who show promise and are more likely to contribute to society.

As far as the innocent children born into the situation, there's not much they would probably accomplish if not infected anyway. Too bad about the relatives, but the fault lies in their family, not the rest of the world.

Disease and Death in the Cesspools of Africa, India and the like isn't going to DERAIL civilization. Given the fact that they're grossly Over-Populated at present, it would take a significant decrease to even reach equilibrium.

But, for those of you who wish to brood over the problem, Have at it.

Yikes. You can't fix stupid.

JESSE - 10-4-2010 at 09:40 PM

yep, hes an idiot allright.

AND ?

MrBillM - 10-4-2010 at 10:05 PM

Your opinion of me or anyone else counts for exactly What ?

But, you know that.

JESSE - 10-4-2010 at 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Your opinion of me or anyone else counts for exactly What ?

But, you know that.

take your meds, or take less of them, whatever it is.

JoeJustJoe - 10-5-2010 at 02:24 AM

Mr Bill wrote: The ill-educated and poverty-stricken masses of the Third-World already consume far more than they are liable to justify in terms of productivity and those people living dissipated lifestyles addicted to drugs, bad hygiene and unsafe habits aren't likely to be productive even if HIV/AIDS isn't the cause of their disability or death.
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Mr Bill sounds like President Reagan when he supposedly said something like, "Those who live in sin will die in sin," when speaking about AIDS in the gay community. But we don't know if Reagan actually said that, but it's pretty clear the Reagan administration was slow to respond to AIDS and the AIDS epidemic did spread after that to other groups/behaviors, races and ethic heritages. But at least Reagan showed compassion or pretended too.

Sadly Mr Bill's drags race into the issue and is just about saying, " I don't care about HIV/AIDS, because it's a gay, African/Black, Latino, and drug junkie disease. It has not spread in significant numbers to the morally righteous "White" community so I(we) aren't going to be concerned about it, because it's God way of dealing with the wretched sinners and savages of the 3rd world." Did I get it right Mr Bill?

Well I don't know if deadly viruses believe in "white privilege" and will skip the righteous who practice sin free monogamous sex and abstinence. I guess being in monogamous relationships is good, and if you can practice abstinence it's even better to keep HIV/AIDS away, but how many people can keep up that behavior a life time, especially "abstinence" if they aren't married?

HIV/AIDS has the potential, and probably will spread to just about all groups or races you could think of, and something like drug use, and homosexuality have very little to do with race as all races or ethic groups have a certain percentage of their population engaging in gay sex and drug use with needles and they in turn could infect others in that group.

Woooosh - 10-5-2010 at 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by lencho

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Originally posted by JESSE
yep, hes an idiot allright.

Idiot? I think not. He's able to skillfully manipulate a great number of folks here on this board...

--Larry

I for one am not manipulated by his ignorance. Do we give him more time than he deserves, yes. I don't see any supporters of his position. HIV/AIDS has evolved in many aspects over the past 25 years. I'm sure he has positions on many topics I would find ignorant and offensive... but that does not manipulate the truth. I hope Mr. Hands introduces Mr. Bill to Sluggo.

Mr. Bill builds a house. (Yes, the classic from Saturday Night Live)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8078407797255965707

[Edited on 10-5-2010 by Woooosh]

The LOGICAL and PRAGMATIC Approach

MrBillM - 10-5-2010 at 08:45 AM

IS what I espouse on ALL issues.

I Didn't Involve Race. It is a FACT that higher percentages of Infection are involved with Minority Races, likely because those population centers are also lower on the economic scale and also poorly educated. Since these heavily-impacted areas and peoples have been traditionally low on the productivity scale, it seems illogical to expend disproportionate resources fighting to save lives which won't contribute enough to offset their costs.

Trying to sell this idea that HIV/AIDS will somehow infiltrate to any epidemic extent to even the populations that practice monogamous and safe-sex and who do not engage in unsafe Drug practices is disingenuous at best. We have been repeatedly told by Science and our Health Authorities that the disease can ONLY be spread by intimate contact and, therefore, we are being hysterical and phobic if we feel endangered by being around those in society infected.

Is the Party Line NOW that we need fear even casual contact or close proximity ? Now, that it would serve their political purposes to pander to our fear ?

As long as the Virus and its deleterious effects remains primarily among the least productive members of World Society, Whatever their race, we can approach its prevention and cure with reasoned and fiscally responsible methodology and no fear for the Downfall of civilization.

Those who Weep for the Fate of the miserable downtrodden in life should feel free to emulate Mother Teresa to your best efforts. Personally, I think you're wasting your time, efforts and money, but that's your business. Just don't expect applause OR MONEY from me.

Go Forth and Heal.

BTW, while apparently the Compassionate Liberal Wooosher wishes physical violence upon me (" I hope Mr. Hands introduces Mr. Bill to Sluggo"), his hopes for my Lickin' aren't likely to be satisfied.

I ALWAYS take along help to any "possible" Fight. In fact, this weekend at Walmart when there was something of a Tiff, I immediately started working my way towards my vehicle where (on that day) Mr. Browning was waiting to assist me. Anybody who'd like to teach me a lesson with their fists is welcome to stop by. Be sure that's what you want to do, though. Things could go badly.

[Edited on 10-5-2010 by MrBillM]

Woooosh - 10-5-2010 at 10:21 AM

It's a SNL cartoon idiot. Still stuck on stupid.

WHO DAT DERE ?

MrBillM - 10-5-2010 at 11:57 AM

Well, I have heard of SNL, but haven't ever seen it.

If having watched Late Night Lefty-Adult Comics is a sign of Intelligence, we're all in trouble.

Woooosh - 10-5-2010 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
Well, I have heard of SNL, but haven't ever seen it.

If having watched Late Night Lefty-Adult Comics is a sign of Intelligence, we're all in trouble.

To get you up to speed... "Mr. Bill" is a clay-mation character that is operated by a "Mr. Hands" and bullied in evry episode by Sluggo. It's from the 70's- when Saturday Night Live was cutting edge with Chevy Chase, Bill Murray, Jane Curtain, Gilda Radner and John Belushi. It's only a historical nostalgic thing now, some 35 years later. YouTube has many of the old clips. Mr. Bill is funny! You aren't. But I still like that you write what you think, even if I don't agree with much of it.

Knowing MrBill

MrBillM - 10-5-2010 at 01:22 PM

I actually know who Mr Bill was, sort of. At least I knew it was a character on SNL. I didn't know the associated "Sluggo" stuff.

Back in the 80s, there was a co-worker at GTE who, anytime I showed up in his department would say Laughingly " Oh NO. Mr Bill ". Didn't mean a thing to me. One day my departmental Clerk said " You haven't got any idea what he's talking about, do you ? " She then explained the Hapless Mr Bill Character. Or, at least, her version of it. I had the vague impression that I should have been insulted, but I instead adopted the moniker.

But, Thanks for the informational effort.

As they say, "You learn something new everyday".

Unfortunately, what you often learn isn't worth knowing.

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 02:01 PM

a very interesting subject.

Why does it seem to be that many of the 70.s generation put so much of their decesions on MOVIES????
Every time it seems they make a point and then refer to a Character. I am beginning to think that they beleive that Movies are the true Reality!!

There is only one answer to the HIV problem and it lies with the GENES.

Change the BEHAVORIAL GENE and you can change the complete Group that is spreading HIV.

Just look what FEAR is doing to the people of America! Their BEHAVORIAL GENE could be changed and maybe we could get away with Cheaters, Liars, and Theives.

Can you imagine what CHAOS would erupt in San Francisco if all Gay People had to report to the Hospital to have their GENES Changed.

Now, someone in this Bunch tell me what is the Answer to this Problem that the many , many Minetries of many Churchs have not been able to help stop HIV.

What do you Suggest???

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 02:21 PM

Does anybody on this thread know how much Money is collected then spent in various parts of the World by the various Religious Groups.
And the Billions that have been spent does not do the Job!!

There is a program being developed very much like the Horse Programs that are currently being used,

One Vet. Has really deeveloped the Rodeo Horses, another has developed the Race Horse, others the Mules..
Yes it is a Breeding Progam and in my way of "Getting something Done" it is time for it to be used on Humans.

Develop a True Breeding Program !

Think about it.

Skeet

Woooosh - 10-5-2010 at 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Does anybody on this thread know how much Money is collected then spent in various parts of the World by the various Religious Groups.
And the Billions that have been spent does not do the Job!!

There is a program being developed very much like the Horse Programs that are currently being used,

One Vet. Has really deeveloped the Rodeo Horses, another has developed the Race Horse, others the Mules..
Yes it is a Breeding Progam and in my way of "Getting something Done" it is time for it to be used on Humans.

Develop a True Breeding Program !

Think about it.

Skeet

Didn't Hitler already try that?

MsTerieus - 10-5-2010 at 02:27 PM

The "BEHAVIORAL gene"!!!!????&&&^^%$%^(#) :lol:

bajafam - 10-5-2010 at 02:37 PM

I'm with you MsTerieus....I'm not even going to touch that one!! :!:

Mexitron - 10-5-2010 at 02:55 PM

Skeet-----go watch your reruns of Twilight Zone, Rod Serling was the master of showing the downside of selective breeding on humans...it will likely happen anyway with the rapid technological growth of genetics but its good to look down the road we're going. In this lifetime anyway, I'll take humanity as it is because i don't have a good idea where to draw the line between bad behavior and not quite so bad behavior ( was it Harry Callahan who warned the vigilantes that after they take care of the really bad ones they'll start going after the jaywalkers?).

MsTerieus - 10-5-2010 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Didn't Hitler already try that?

I was wonderin' when Hitler would come up. I almost mentioned him earlier in this thread.

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 03:09 PM

Mexitron:
The only Movie that I have seen in the past 5 years was "27 Dresses". I do not go to Movies and the only TV I watch is "Dancin with the Stars". and the Local Weather.

All of the TV and Media is so full of BS that it is no longer interesting.

Now for somethininteresting at this time of the Year is the Tranatula{SP} Giant Spiders going by my window on their way to the Creek, or the Doves feeding, or Deer coming through the Yard.

Oh! I do get a kick out of all the BS on Nomads.

But in reality we need a "Breeding Program' starting with work on those that have a "Good " Behovarial GENE.

Think about it. Sure would solve a lot of problems

Cypress - 10-5-2010 at 03:17 PM

I've got fantastic behavioral genes!

Can be inspired to donate a few for a good cause.

Mexicorn - 10-5-2010 at 03:18 PM

Sounds like Skeet might be considering a huge party! I heard the last one was a blast! So whatdayasay Skeet whens the next party?

mtgoat666 - 10-5-2010 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
a very interesting subject.

Why does it seem to be that many of the 70.s generation put so much of their decesions on MOVIES????
Every time it seems they make a point and then refer to a Character. I am beginning to think that they beleive that Movies are the true Reality!!

There is only one answer to the HIV problem and it lies with the GENES.

Change the BEHAVORIAL GENE and you can change the complete Group that is spreading HIV.

Just look what FEAR is doing to the people of America! Their BEHAVORIAL GENE could be changed and maybe we could get away with Cheaters, Liars, and Theives.

Can you imagine what CHAOS would erupt in San Francisco if all Gay People had to report to the Hospital to have their GENES Changed.

Now, someone in this Bunch tell me what is the Answer to this Problem that the many , many Minetries of many Churchs have not been able to help stop HIV.

What do you Suggest???

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skeet,
it is scary to think you were allowed to spawn.

do your progeny know about the stuff you post on BN?

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 03:24 PM

Whats a "Progeny"??

Mexicorn - 10-5-2010 at 03:26 PM

A party! Whens the next Skeet party?

DENNIS - 10-5-2010 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Whats a "Progeny"??

It's a little pony.

Mexicorn - 10-5-2010 at 03:32 PM

LMAO!!!!!!! :lol:

MsTerieus - 10-5-2010 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Whats a "Progeny"??

It's a little pony.

I thought it was a particularly well-trained spirit that lives in a bottle, comes out when the bottle is rubbed, and grants you 3 wishes. (Pro-genie)

[Edited on 10-5-2010 by MsTerieus]

DENNIS - 10-5-2010 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by MsTerieus
(Pro-genie)

cute

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 03:48 PM

I do want to put everyone on Notice that I as Founder of the "Skeets Breeding program"" have first Choice at all of the Subjects of the Behavorial Gene Class.

woody with a view - 10-5-2010 at 04:04 PM

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Skeet

i used to think you were senile, now i think you're just a marooon. you or the church or the guvmint ain't gonna change anyone's attitude regarding homersectional behavior. and that behavior is not the only reason people get HIV. your bigoted and stupid generalizations prove you are REALLY OLD and maybe your type are the ones who need their genes, er jeans,,, errr diapers changed.

if everyone was like you it would be a sad world. i've known a few homersectionals in my life and none of them got sick from their choice of sexual jollies, and they were really cool people, too!

now, how about you telling us how all of them redneck preacher buddies of yours aren't some of the most degenerate SOB's to ever run through the backwoods, nekkid......

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 04:16 PM

Woody with a Problem"

You are 100% correct Woody! No on is going to get a group of people to change their Sexual habits. Look at the Billions that have been spent in Africa and India alone. Too what good??

Look at the Billions that have been spent in the States in trying to change Peoples minds about DOPE>

Look at the Billions that is being spent on trying to convice EU that America is a :Bad Country".

So Woody with a Problem < What would you do to suggest a way to Change peole so that they would not contuine to spread HIV,

Skeet/Loreto - 10-5-2010 at 04:20 PM

Goat: I Goggled it.

Olest Grandson__Was pait $27,000 a year to go to Columbia. He now has his own Computer Busines.

Oldest Grandaughter_- Now attending Texas Tech on a Full Endowment and is a member of the Honor Dorm.- Japanese Business and was speaking Japenese in Last year of Hi School.

Other Granddis not there yet, One daughter Graduate with Degree.

How about your Progenny

Skeet

mtgoat666 - 10-5-2010 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Whats a "Progeny"??

go ask your progeny :lol:

when they ask why you are asking, direct them here to read this thread :lol:

you better learn the term before you start lobbying for eugenics :lol:

MsTerieus - 10-5-2010 at 05:42 PM

"Homersectionals" :lol:

Let me guess: 2-piece couches where Homer Simpson takes his naps?

No Problema, Skeet

MrBillM - 10-5-2010 at 06:31 PM

I'm not worried about getting it. I'm not worried about anybody I care about getting it.

WHY worry about stopping AIDS ?

I can't think of a single person that's been lost to AIDS that made any difference.

Can You ?

Life goes on.

If they run out of enough productive workers in one of the Third-World countries where it's epidemic, they can import Labor. There are a lot of Palestinians out of work. Britain, Germany and France all seem to have a surplus of Labor, too.

Redistribution and Recovery.

MsTerieus - 10-5-2010 at 06:38 PM

That made any difference to WHOM -- you??? Yes, I can think of several persons who were lost to AIDS who "made a difference" -- to me and other people who cared about them, and, in some cases, to many others whom they helped, during their lives. You are an amoral, ignorant, rednecked bigot!!!

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Originally posted by MrBillM
I'm not worried about getting it. I'm not worried about anybody I care about getting it.

WHY worry about stopping AIDS ?

I can't think of a single person that's been lost to AIDS that made any difference.

Can You ?

[Edited on 10-6-2010 by MsTerieus]

Skeet/Loreto - 10-6-2010 at 07:37 AM

MsTerieus:

Just think if you would help with "Skeets Breeding Program" we could change MrBill's Behavioral GENE to being an Amoral, ignorant Liberal.

When you talk about people making a difference, was it because they viloated good health got Aids then had to make up for it the rest of their lives.??

"Control you Desires and keep yur Passions within due Bounds"--That is the Answer!!

wessongroup - 10-6-2010 at 08:25 AM

Arthur Ashe .... for one, if tennis players count, he seemed a decent chap overall ... he got it from a blood transfusion.. as have others... sometimes "sh*t" happens...

I'm sure there are many more.. just that he came to mind...

wessongroup - 10-6-2010 at 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Whats a "Progeny"??

go ask your progeny :lol:

when they ask why you are asking, direct them here to read this thread :lol:

you better learn the term before you start lobbying for eugenics :lol:

me, I have dyslexia and I'm really not all that smart (based on testing and all the rest from our educational system) which I take with a grain of salt ... to start with.. so I don't really have too much problem understanding most anyone... and sure in the hell, don't give a sh*t how they spell and their grammar .. just as long as I get what they are trying to get across... and that's even if I don't agree with them...

I see who is in charge of what is going on... they all have advanced degree's... et al... they can spell and use proper grammar... well isn't that just great, and they are doing a real bang up job.. aren't they...

please.....

MsTerieus One

MrBillM - 10-6-2010 at 08:59 AM

Then, YOU have a reason to be concerned about the Spread of AIDS, I suppose.

I Don't. It's all relative.

As far as Arthur Ashe. I DID consider him. Big fan of his when he was playing Tennis, but he was retired when he went under. In any case, his was a Blood-Transfusion Fluke like that of the Conservative Politician whose name I can't place at the moment. As a result, the Blood screening process was revised and improved so that death doesn't really enter into the current argument.

An interesting personal aside to that business is, that while working for GTE during one of the Red Cross Blood drives, we had one Male from Traffic (Operators) who signed up to give Blood. Since he was a known and declared Homosexual, I was puzzled so I went to the Red Cross people and asked them if he'd mentioned that. He hadn't. As a result of my inquiry, they informed him they couldn't accept his donation. He was a bit miffed. I told him he should have let them know himself.

So, I HAVE done my part to stop the spread of AIDS. One step at a time.

MsTerieus - 10-6-2010 at 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
MsTerieus:

Just think if you would help with "Skeets Breeding Program" we could change MrBill's Behavioral GENE to being an Amoral, ignorant Liberal.

When you talk about people making a difference, was it because they viloated good health got Aids then had to make up for it the rest of their lives.??

"Control you Desires and keep yur Passions within due Bounds"--That is the Answer!!

No. I am talking about lawyers in the S.F. Bay Area (including a couple I went to school with) and doctors who devoted much of their time to community service and helping the poor, both locally and abroad.

DENNIS - 10-6-2010 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Woody with a Problem

A symptom of advanced age.

Saving Lawyers ?

MrBillM - 10-6-2010 at 02:14 PM

That Probably wouldn't be the most effective Slogan for the Anti-AIDS Campaign.

MsTerieus - 10-6-2010 at 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
That Probably wouldn't be the most effective Slogan for the Anti-AIDS Campaign.

Spoken like a true ignoramus.

There's a Reason

MrBillM - 10-6-2010 at 03:26 PM

For all those Dark Lawyer Jokes.

Skeet/Loreto - 10-6-2010 at 03:58 PM

MsTierus"

That the problem!! San Francisco!
You talk about Mentally and Physically Degerate people San Francisco has them!!

Many years ago it was not that way. They had the Flower Children, the Kingston Trio, Carol Doda, North Beaqch and all the fun things.

Then it changed to the DOPOER Society with all the Shops with stuff for Beating People during Sex, then you could not go to the Theatre with out getting some Dude shakin his Penis at you on a Public Street.

Oh! San Francisco What Happened to You ??

DENNIS - 10-6-2010 at 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Then it changed to the DOPOER Society with all the Shops with stuff for Beating People during Sex, then you could not go to the Theatre with out getting some Dude shakin his Penis at you on a Public Street.

Ohhhh Lord....I just wanted to post to say I'm speechless. :smug:

MsTerieus - 10-6-2010 at 04:20 PM

Let's see if I have this straight: San Francisco used to be GOOD, when it had Flower Children (who were busy smoking dope and fornicating indiscriminately -- and many of whom, if they had done so a few years later, would now be infected with HIV), and Carol Doda (who inflated her breasts to a freakishly gigantic size, displayed them at the Condor, and attracted all types of sleazeoids and low-lifes to North Beach). Then, San Francisco got BAD, because of the "DOPOER society" (which I guess is a special society separate and apart from anybody who ever was a Flower Child) and sex toys, for private use?

If men were shaking their penises (or "Peni," as I prefer to say), at you, Skeet, you must have been doing SOMETHING SPECIAL to turn them on ... :lol:

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
MsTierus"

That the problem!! San Francisco!
You talk about Mentally and Physically Degerate people San Francisco has them!!

Many years ago it was not that way. They had the Flower Children, the Kingston Trio, Carol Doda, North Beaqch and all the fun things.

Then it changed to the DOPOER Society with all the Shops with stuff for Beating People during Sex, then you could not go to the Theatre with out getting some Dude shakin his Penis at you on a Public Street.

Oh! San Francisco What Happened to You ??

Skeet/Loreto - 10-6-2010 at 04:57 PM

Now MsTereius:

The Flower Dhildren that I engaged with did not at that time smoke DOPE.
I went to Lunch many times to eat my Hamburger and Watch Carol Doda and her Boobs. I did not see any "Bad" stuff.

You can verfiy what I am swaying by checking the Arrest records for DOPWE during those early years.

I would have Lunch at the Tadich Grill two times a WSeek, then at Paloi>s the other two Days. The girls would come in on Fri at Noon and start looking for their WeeK end Lay. No DOPE. It was a Great time in San Francisco.!!

ThenWhat Happened? I just know that on two occasions my Wife and I were walking with another cpouple to the Theatre and had theses Nuts drag their penis out and shake them at us. Sonb-tch shourl be Shot!!\\

Then a stor called "Hard On" opened up on the same Street. What is wrong with Nuts who have to Whip each opther for Sex?? Crazy People.

Then the Dykes on Bikes thing started with Nekid Women and Men riding Motorcycles down Market Street.

I had a office at #1 Calif. Street for two years and I truly enjoyed my time there 1968-79.
After the flower Children left and the DOPERS came in it became the Filthest City in the United States of America and Still is!!

DENNIS - 10-6-2010 at 05:07 PM

What language is that?

When San Fagcisco was GOOD ?

MrBillM - 10-6-2010 at 05:34 PM

It seemed pretty good when I lived there, but everything has gone downhill since.

MsTerieus - 10-6-2010 at 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
What language is that?

Dickensonian English or c-ckney, not sure which.

You like tomato and I like tomahto

wessongroup - 10-7-2010 at 05:15 AM

just show how bad off I am... I understand... :lol:

Ya gotta take your time.. but, some of the spelling is "like it sounds"...

I will usually use the built in spelling checker, with add assist from google for my unknown words... :lol:

My not agree with him... and, its tough reading ... but, its all good...

And it all helps... as it made me go back and see what is being said about the disease... been a while for me...

Had the thought about what our Government just said about inoculating some folks with syphilis.. and recalled the claim that HIV was the result of testing to get something registered quickly for use against polio I think it was... its all still up for debate.... as one would expect... politics, money, power... the usual things..

Here is a recent update on the issue of HIV ..... Avert is a charity

Found the "theories" of causation very interesting...

http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm

As for San Franciso, its been over 22 years since I was there.... Carol, had been long gone... and I was at the Hotel Stanford for a few days... and didn't get out in the evening

And will say that San Francisco does not have a monoploy on places in the United States which have changed a great deal.... and in many cases for the worse... most urban location are not the same as they were 40-50 years ago.. just the way of the species... when allow to grow unchecked for the same...

It used to be an old slogan in the day.. around that time... "Zero population grow".. yeah, I know jobs.. and all the rest... however.. is quality of life important, along with conservation of natural resources .... appears not..

Gave up fighting windmills a number of years back... it is what it is... and one must just deal with it... me it's xanax.. with my morning coffee.... gives a different buzz... and I can read this with a smile...

It's all good.. and in a million years.. who will remember a word posted here... chill

[Edited on 10-7-2010 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 10-7-2010 by wessongroup]

Cypress - 10-7-2010 at 05:40 AM

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[ San Francisco does not have a monoploy on places in the United States which have changed a great deal.... and in many cases for the worse... most urban location are not the same as they were 40-50 years ago.. just the way of the species...

Yep!