BajaNomad - temps have really dropped...

temps have really dropped...

wessongroup - 10-6-2010 at 06:33 AM

Well, I should hope so, .... some of those temps Russ was putting up... looked like 2012 had already arrived... and the sun was about three feet from his location...

[Edited on 10-6-2010 by wessongroup]

Eli - 10-6-2010 at 06:47 AM

Here in Vera Cruz, (away from the coast), it was so chilly yesterday that I wore a turtle neck pull over, first time since I have been here. Having done so many summers in Baja I find having to snuggle under a comforter with chilly toes and fingers kind of delicious.
Still, the weather change points to time to pack up and head North, I miss home.
Sara

sanquintinsince73 - 10-6-2010 at 07:10 AM

Al Gore must be jumping for joy.....

wessongroup - 10-6-2010 at 10:46 AM

Yeah, his last "outing" up in the state of Oregon, seems to have had a devastating impact ... on his entire life...

This guy can't get a break... really wonder how he will be remembered in history...
and if he ever got his electrical bill down to below $30,000 dollars a year.. WOW.. Now that is an electrical bill....

Climate is the last of this guys immediate concerns at the moment... I would guess.... but, then what else does he have at the moment... glad someone is still at the issue...

capt. mike - 10-6-2010 at 10:53 AM

had a wife named Tipper.
had another girl but wouldn't tip her.
now he's gored. and no one is bored!

mtgoat666 - 10-6-2010 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
is al still alive...

you NEVER hear of him anymore

i wonder if young people even know who he was :rolleyes:

well, he was the rightfully elected 43rd president of the US until the supreme court aided and abetted the coup by GW Bush and his dads friends.

to me, al will always be the true 43rd president in that dark period of US history where US govt was taken over and looted by republicans, ending in economic colapse and ruin of the american dream :fire:

p.s. i wish someone would learn how to use the macro setting on camera so those pics of temp gage would be in focus :lol:

David K - 10-6-2010 at 11:19 AM

I guess Al (and goat) believed that commie book that said if you tell a lie enough times it will be believed to be truth.

The economy was booming* until congress changed hands in Jan., 2007. It was been dropping like a rock ever since, worse after the White House changed hands in Jan., 2009.

*Really amazing considering we suffered the worse attack on the U.S. in our history in 2001 (9 months following the 8 years of Clinton as Commander in Chief)...
The boom after 9-11 shows you what dropping the tax rate for everyone can do... and not making business (which creates wealth) the enemy.

[Edited on 10-6-2010 by David K]

mtgoat666 - 10-6-2010 at 12:22 PM

the economic boom was mostly due to housing price bubble linked with US citizens spending their house equity on vacations, plasma TVs and granite kitcken countertops; mortgage issuers making bad loans; and wall street gambling with derivatives for mortgages.

dk: you are an idiot to blame the mess on democrats or redumblicans. the fault lies with home owners, banks, wall street and the financial system regulators. GWB was clueless throughougt the melt-down. and everyone knows the final election decision was rigged by supreme court majority of conservatives.
people who want smaller government and slashing of regulatory agencies at any expense are the fools who have not learned a lesson.

wessongroup - 10-6-2010 at 01:28 PM

Goat agree with you on all but a couple.. Don't think DK is an idiot.. rather he has a very different view on things which took place.. durning the years which are being discussed.

As for being rigged... perhaps, but the "electoral College" is something that has been around for a while... just that most of the time everyone has been in sync...

GWB and most all of the rest all knew full well what was going on... and condoned, and facilitated the insane spiral of "equity" in SFR/Commercial Real Estate, and the idiotic foreign policy along with "Guns and Butter".. which everyone know one can not do .... but it made more money, and it's that the goal of all, more money, so you can have MORE...

Well, we are all now stuck with one big mess... and about the only way to get it straight... get all the money back.. Which has been given to the Banking, Insurance Industries and then send Delta Force along with the Marines into get all American Dollars stuffed into Swiss Bank Accounts.... Period.

All that money.... would seem to have just disappeared .... much like that oil spill in the Gulf... fat chance ... we will be seeing a legacy of Health and Environmental problems for decades from that mess also ...

Also, having "Regulatory Agencies" which do not regulate, seems a bit silly.. as the Dept. of Interior sure in hell was not following Regulatory edicts on how to do oil development, and SEC and the OCC were certainly not doing anything either... so slashing their staff and/or budget seems fair.. as they are not doing anything... guess it could have been worse if they had not been there to soften the impact to our economy .... but, can't say I can really see how...

The rest I agree ...

Roberto - 10-6-2010 at 04:57 PM

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... commie book ...

Which one, David? Would that be the one written by Joseph Goebbels? :lol:

Your higher education shows through once again.

Mexicorn - 10-6-2010 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
had a wife named Tipper.
had another girl but wouldn't tip her.
now he's gored. and no one is bored!

Didn't Gore invent the internet?
Doh!

David K - 10-6-2010 at 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto

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... commie book ...

Which one, David? Would that be the one written by Joseph Goebbels? :lol:

Your higher education shows through once again.

Took my bait...

Interesting on what you waited to return to Nomad for Roberto...

Was it a trip report or some travel help or to share a special moment?

No, ir was to try and show me as wrong about N-zi vs. commie book author! LOL

Does it really matter, is it really important which dictatorship promoted lying to the people? The point is the former vice president has been lying, to line his pockets and promote government power over the people. :light:

rts551 - 10-6-2010 at 06:12 PM

Thanks Bob and Susan for the temp update.

Thanks dK for the "TRIP" report

David K - 10-6-2010 at 06:28 PM

De nada, thank mt.goat for going political in this thread that inspired me to provide real world facts to his bs. Naturally, you only see my off topic rants and not the leftist one that came before!

Have a nice day amigo!

krafty - 10-6-2010 at 06:34 PM

I love the leftist rants-they are the only ones that make sense :bounce:

chippy - 10-6-2010 at 06:37 PM

DK and real world facts are a funny combo.

msawin - 10-6-2010 at 08:02 PM

Water temps??? want to dive in two weeks...
marty

msteve1014 - 10-6-2010 at 09:07 PM

It was 115 where I work last monday, 68 this monday. Water temp. ?, there aint no water. Yes temps. have really dropped. Now, back to the left vs. right BS.

wrong, well partly right...haha "right".....

capt. mike - 10-7-2010 at 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
the economic boom was mostly due to housing price bubble linked with US citizens spending their house equity on vacations, plasma TVs and granite kitcken countertops; mortgage issuers making bad loans; and wall street gambling with derivatives for mortgages.

dk: you are an idiot to blame the mess on democrats or redumblicans. the fault lies with home owners, banks, wall street and the financial system regulators. GWB was clueless throughougt the melt-down. and everyone knows the final election decision was rigged by supreme court majority of conservatives.
people who want smaller government and slashing of regulatory agencies at any expense are the fools who have not learned a lesson.

this lies at the feet of Barney "i never met a hot dog i couldn't smoke" Frank and Chris Dodd who neglected their duties on oversight at their committee and promulgated an event over time they knew, or should have known was going to steamroll.

yes, bad lending - and due to no oversight.

but to properly recover and achieve balance we need a hands off in the free markets - less taxation spurring more cap investment.

because the fed controls the $ supply and not DC - there has to be some regulatory controls by the watchdog or lender demand for new money to hand out willy nilly will again expand a false valueless bubble.

Salsa - 10-7-2010 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob and Susan
is al still alive...

you NEVER hear of him anymore

i wonder if young people even know who he was :rolleyes:

p.s. i wish someone would learn how to use the macro setting on camera so those pics of temp gage would be in focus :lol:

I guess you were ignoring the fact that everyone but you knows.

If they did a recount of all of Florida (not just the counties that AlGore wanted, the results would have been the same.

Don

mtgoat666 - 10-7-2010 at 10:45 AM

Popular vote:
Bush 50,456,002 votes (47.87%)
Gore 50,999,897 votes (48.38%)
Nader 2,882,955 votes (2.74%)

bajajudy - 10-7-2010 at 11:00 AM

70 on the porch this morning.....cool

Roberto - 10-7-2010 at 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Popular vote:
Bush 50,456,002 votes (47.87%)
Gore 50,999,897 votes (48.38%)
Nader 2,882,955 votes (2.74%)

Those are countrywide popular vote totals. We do not elect presidents by popular vote, but you knew that.

Bush 271
Gore 266

It's the same as the immigration situation - we have laws and if we just arbitrarily and individually decide which laws to respect and which not, the whole system falls apart (which it is doing today). If you don't like a law, fight to change it. Having lived half my life outside the U.S. I can tell you the alternatives are untenable.

Roberto - 10-7-2010 at 11:45 AM

And by the way, the Supreme Court decision ruling the Florida court's recount unconstitutional was 7-2, meaning that it was not split along ideological lines.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-7-2010 at 02:15 PM

Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !!

rts551 - 10-7-2010 at 02:20 PM

But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Although I am a Reagan Republican, I love to hear both sides of any political issue. What we have on this thread is Democracy in action. All of your views are interesting to read. We can post our views without fear of jack-booted thugs coming for us at night and we can vote as we please without fear of reprisal from our employers as is the case in many companies in MX. God Bless America !!

sanquintinsince73 - 10-7-2010 at 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.

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...errr Democracy and evolution in action???

rts551 - 10-7-2010 at 02:33 PM

I can agree that this board has evolved into a political forum.

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

Quote:

Originally posted by rts551
But I thought this was not supposed to be a political forum....oh my mistake.

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...errr Democracy and evolution in action???

Russ - 10-7-2010 at 02:46 PM

You thread highjackers really pi$$ me off
temps have really dropped...
is the thread and when I go to see an update of how things are I get a bunch of mierda.
Thanks a lot..... :mad:

sanquintinsince73 - 10-7-2010 at 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
You thread highjackers really pi$$ me off
temps have really dropped...
is the thread and when I go to see an update of how things are I get a bunch of mierda.
Thanks a lot..... :mad:

Sorry to pee you off, Russ......but hey yeah temperatures have really dropped. Gonna warm up again this weekend although not as hot as it's been. Here's lookin' at ya.

toneart - 10-7-2010 at 02:54 PM

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Bajatripper - 10-7-2010 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I guess Al (and goat) believed that commie book that said if you tell a lie enough times it will be believed to be truth.

The economy was booming* until congress changed hands in Jan., 2007. It was been dropping like a rock ever since, worse after the White House changed hands in Jan., 2009.

*Really amazing considering we suffered the worse attack on the U.S. in our history in 2001 (9 months following the 8 years of Clinton as Commander in Chief)...
The boom after 9-11 shows you what dropping the tax rate for everyone can do... and not making business (which creates wealth) the enemy.

[Edited on 10-6-2010 by David K]

Aahh, David, I see that you fell for that economy-run-on-a-credit card scam that Repugs do so well. The economy didn't boom under Reagan, either. They just ran up the national debt just as the Bushies did. The economy WAS booming under Clinton, when the government actually posted some surpluses. But he was a Democrat (at least in name), so he doesn't count, I suppose.

The economy wasn't booming before the White House changed hands, either. The bills came due in October (Thank gawd, or we'd probably have that McCain fellow leading us into another war by now) just before your boy Bushie got out of the White House. But of course, in your re-writing of history, the bank bail outs and mortgage melt down happened AFTER Obama moved in.

The "boom" after 9/11 was the product of a Congress that was afraid to say "no" to a "War Time President." It was pure fiction. Congress simply started writing blank checks to cover whatever the president asked for (talk about spending money like a drunken sailor, something I know a bit about). There was no growth in production (other than in the war industry, which is a dead horse for practical purposes). The problem with this type of "boom" is that eventually the bills come due (see above). Oh yeah, the "housing industry" was really booming, and we all have seen how well that worked out--nothing but a house of cards (pardon my pun).

David, you should really stick to opinionating on Baja. THAT, you do real well. Leave the economic theorising to those who understand it a little better :lol:

ps: it was your boy Bush who said that if you promote something enough (lie about it), the people eventually believe it.

David K - 10-7-2010 at 05:11 PM

Ah my amigo... yes, let's stick to Baja... but before we do, let me make sure I was not mis-interpreteted...

You said: "The economy WAS booming under Clinton, when the government actually posted some surpluses. But he was a Democrat (at least in name), so he doesn't count, I suppose."

I have many times said that in America the budget is controlled by congress... yet the president in power at the time gets the credit or blame...

In the 90's the economy boomed AFTER the Republicans were elected in control (Clinton was president)... and they stayed in control until they lost their way and acted like Democrats with spending... they were fired in Nov. 2006. The economic disaster began after the Democratic congress took over in 2007... (but Bush was still president until 2009, so was blamed for the downturn caused by the Dems.) and got worse after the presidency went Democratic in 2009... No more checks and balances... just spend spend spend... adding fuel to the fire. Bush was a big spender and went along with most Democratic bills, no vetos, you should have loved him for being so anti-conservative?!

It is getting worse, not better...

The people were fooled in 2008, but they will turn the table in 2010.

But, what do you care about American politics anymore...? You live in a tropical paradise of another nation. :smug:

Lucky guy! :spingrin:

Ken Cooke - 10-7-2010 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Salsa

If they did a recount of all of Florida (not just the counties that AlGore wanted, the results would have been the same.

Don

What about the polling places that were closed in the largly African-American districts?

Bajatripper - 10-7-2010 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Took my bait...

Does it really matter, is it really important which dictatorship promoted lying to the people? The point is the former vice president has been lying, to line his pockets and promote government power over the people. :light:

My apologies to whomever it was above who gets peeed off by us thread hijackers, but...

I know there's no changing minds in such arguments, David, but really. In a comparison of the last two vice presidents, are you going to use that criteria to judge Gore by after what Dick put us through? Lying? Lining one's pockets? Promote government power over the people?

Man, David, I must say that I'm more than a bit disappointed.
I guess you fall into that 20% who will support your side no matter what. And you think so well when it comes to Baja stuff. Puzzling.

Careful, there, David, you're making me re-think that invite for a November visit :lol:

[Edited on 10-8-2010 by Bajatripper]

Bajatripper - 10-7-2010 at 06:10 PM

I better sign out on this thread before I spend the rest of the night answering opposing views with opinions that nobody cares about and which change no one's mind. When facts have no bearing on one side's argument, what's the point?

mtgoat666 - 10-7-2010 at 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by David K
In the 90's the economy boomed AFTER the Republicans were elected in control (Clinton was president)...

i think the 1990s economic boom was due to dot com explosion after al gore invented the internet,
and due to groovy good time feelings that clinton fostered

yes we can! (if only we can get rid of the teabagers nattering nabobs of negativity)

David K - 10-7-2010 at 08:08 PM

Isn't it sad that the side the is supposed to be the 'champion' of free speech' and 'open discussion of all ideas' just has a fit when their view of history is countered with another point of view?

Friendships should not be based on political views... I don't care what you think about politics... But at least be honest with the facts as they have been established. America was booming shortly after the attack of 9-11 right up to 2007. Other than a breif drop because of the attack, we were doing great from 1997-2007. Check for yourself who was in charge of the budget those years. Congress NOT the president controls the budget.

I really try and post facts, as that is my way... What you see in my Baja trip reports are the conditions as they were when I was there... Politics is not really that different when it comes to history... No matter how manny times the vote was recounted, Gore lost... and they still aren't happy... Let it go, already!

If you all liked the economy of the late 1990's, then repeat what happened in 1996 next month, vote the party in power OUT!

Since nobody complained when Mt. Goat turned this thread political, it would look like the side that answered him is not allowed equal time without all the destractions being posted... tsk, tsk!

No open-ness, no free discussion, no open minds...unless what is posted is liberalism or anti-Americanism. sad sad...

Well, let's have a beer and forget the past... it can't be changed, anyway... well that is until the history books are re-written! YIKES!!

Bajatripper - 10-7-2010 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The economic disaster began after the Democratic congress took over in 2007... (but Bush was still president until 2009, so was blamed for the downturn caused by the Dems.) and got worse after the presidency went Democratic in 2009... No more checks and balances... just spend spend spend... adding fuel to the fire. Bush was a big spender and went along with most Democratic bills, no vetos, you should have loved him for being so anti-conservative?!

It is getting worse, not better...

The people were fooled in 2008, but they will turn the table in 2010.

But, what do you care about American politics anymore...? You live in a tropical paradise of another nation. :smug:

Lucky guy! :spingrin:

I wish I could care less about politics, living down here as I do. Unfortunately, I fall under the "if you aren't peeed off, you haven't been paying attention" school of politics.

What happened between 2007 and 2009 is irrelevant on the grand scale of things. The Wall Street rips offs, inflated real estate bubble, bank scams, etc. had been going on for a lot longer than that, and it is very disingenous to attribute it to two years of cowardly Democratic control of Congress.

Sorry, but Repug thinking on politics (and many other areas, such as social issues) really gets my blood to boiling. Let's stick to Baja, shall we?

the water temp..

msawin - 10-7-2010 at 08:13 PM

Well I guess, never mind. Thanks anyways... i'll just
figure it out for my self. thanks

marty

capt. mike - 10-8-2010 at 07:22 AM

marty try terrafin for water reports.
also don't the fish sites give them?

ps - the 90s boom was because Reagan established a course which trended as it was expected and intended to. pure and simple.

David K - 10-8-2010 at 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper

I wish I could care less about politics, living down here as I do. Unfortunately, I fall under the "if you aren't peeed off, you haven't been paying attention" school of politics.

What happened between 2007 and 2009 is irrelevant on the grand scale of things. The Wall Street rips offs, inflated real estate bubble, bank scams, etc. had been going on for a lot longer than that, and it is very disingenous to attribute it to two years of cowardly Democratic control of Congress.

Sorry, but Repug thinking on politics (and many other areas, such as social issues) really gets my blood to boiling. Let's stick to Baja, shall we?

OK!

sanquintinsince73 - 10-8-2010 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
marty try terrafin for water reports.
also don't the fish sites give them?

ps - the 90s boom was because Reagan established a course which trended as it was expected and intended to. pure and simple.

mtgoat666 - 10-8-2010 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Since nobody complained when Mt. Goat turned this thread political, it would look like the side that answered him is not allowed equal time without all the destractions being posted... tsk, tsk!

The political parties are about the same in how they treat businesses.

The political parties differ only in social policy (republicans want to govern what you do in your bedroom, prevent the poor from getting adequate health care, and nuke non-christians; democrats don't want to regulate your sex life, want to take care of the poor,, and love thy neighbors).

The fact is that the economy goes in cycles, and only the fed significantly influences anything thru money supply, interest rates, selling bonds, etc,... a little more or lesss taxes really does not change the economy.

Make your vote based on social policy, nothing else matters.

DK: you are hyper-sensitive. Were you an only child?

Bajatripper - 10-8-2010 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Enjoyed your post, Goat. We agree on the social aspects of government. But I was thinking that DK was just the opposite of what you stated with his response to my post.
He must like me more :lol:

oxxo - 10-8-2010 at 12:37 PM

93 in Los Cabos today, mid 70's at night. I haven't seen any cooling trend at my casa yet.

And just to be fair and balanced, it was sanquintinsince73 who started the political slant.

Bajatripper - 10-8-2010 at 01:06 PM

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ps - the 90s boom was because Reagan established a course which trended as it was expected and intended to. pure and simple.

That being the case, I really look forward to the Obama boom, since GWB set the same course as Reagan, only more so. Should be spectacular!

mtgoat666 - 10-8-2010 at 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
And just to be fair and balanced, it was sanquintinsince73 who started the political slant.

and here I was balling my eyes out because DK was picking on me. Finally, someone recognizes how meanly DK treats me :lol:

DENNIS - 10-8-2010 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
and here I was balling my eyes out because DK was picking on me. Finally, someone recognizes how meanly DK treats me :lol:

Look at the bright side. You know....make-up sex. :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 10-8-2010 at 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by oxxo
93 in Los Cabos today, mid 70's at night. I haven't seen any cooling trend at my casa yet.

And just to be fair and balanced, it was sanquintinsince73 who started the political slant.

All's I said was Al Gore must be jumping for joy.....well isn't he??

Bajatripper - 10-9-2010 at 08:44 AM

We've been getting cool enough at night sleeping under the palapa to need to turn off the fan. Won't be long now before we can move back inside to sleep.