BajaNomad

DavidK for Magellan of Nomad

Gypsy Jan - 10-11-2010 at 03:43 PM

(This is my first poll, so if it does not post correctly, please blame the dog on my elbow that ate my homework.)

In my years as a Nomad, I have been; appreciative, amazed, confounded and confusted, by his posts.

The history! The GPS mapping! The everything else.

I nominate DavidK for Magellan of Nomad.

[Edited on 10-11-2010 by Gypsy Jan]

Skeet/Loreto - 10-11-2010 at 03:51 PM

I second the Motion!

I have known and admired him sine it was BajA Amigos.

how many people do you know that has such a Love for Baja and spends so much time showing that Love??

Skeet/Loreto

sanquintinsince73 - 10-11-2010 at 04:55 PM

I concur....I hope to meet up with him in Baja some day.

mcfez - 10-11-2010 at 05:15 PM

I think ALL Nomads deserve a clapping hand.

DavidK on the other hand....a standing ovation would be proper.

David K - 10-11-2010 at 05:18 PM

Yah, I love the place... but I am not the only one! All of us here on Baja Nomad loves the place... I just happen to also love old California history, maps, and writing guidebooks... So, while I am still alive and am able to share... I will!

I am also passionate about my country and the freedoms we have... and have traveled and lived abroad (besides Mexico)... So, I know what we will lose if we let it slip away due to ignorance or apathy... So, I apologize for going 'political' on occaision when I read something that defies logic or good sense.

I got 'Baja Fever' when I was almost 8 years old with our first Jeep trip to Baja in 1965... to Gonzaga Bay! A trip down the entire length of the peninsula came in 1966 (Tijuana to Cabo San Lucas, 800 unpaved miles of over 1,000).

Anyway, I have been collecting Baja books and maps since I was a kid in the 1960's... I have felt the need to share information to other Baja fans of the changes with the building of the Transpeninsular Highway in 1973 with a self published guidebook (I was 15), which led to a published updated version when I was 17... then lots of road reports in Tom & Shirley Miller's Mexico West newsletter in the 80's and 90's... then the Internet starting in 1998.

Hope I can inspire a desire to find fun and adventure in Baja for anyone who seeks it!

[Edited on 10-12-2010 by David K]

DENNIS - 10-11-2010 at 05:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
a clapping hand.



The Sound of One Hand

What is the Sound of the Single Hand? When you clap together both hands a sharp sound is heard; when you raise the one hand there is neither sound nor smell. Is this the High Heaven of which Confucius speaks? Or is it the essentials of what Yamamba describes in these words: "The echo of the completely empty valley bears tidings heard from the soundless sound?" This is something that can by no means be heard with the ear. If conceptions and discriminations are not mixed within it and it is quite apart from seeing, hearing, perceiving, and knowing, and if, while walking, standing, sitting, and reclining, you proceed straightforwardly without interruption in the study of this koan, you will suddenly pluck out the karmic root of birth and death and break down the cave of ignorance. Thus you will attain to a peace in which the phoenix has left the golden net and the crane has been set free of the basket. At this time the basis of mind, consciousness, and emotion is suddenly shattered; the realm of illusion with its endless sinking in the cycle of birth and death is overturned. The treasure accumulation of the Three Bodies and the Four Wisdoms is taken away, and the miraculous realms of the Six Supernatural Powers and Three Insights is transcended.

El Comadante Loco - 10-11-2010 at 07:47 PM

:saint:VIVA DAVID:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

LancairDriver - 10-11-2010 at 08:14 PM

David's da Baja Man! Thoroughly enjoy his posts and great Baja information he generously shares.

Pompano is right up there also, having a different style with super pictures and very entertaining and humorous discriptions.

dtbushpilot - 10-11-2010 at 08:50 PM

Who's this David guy that you are referring to?.......Never heard of him..:lol::lol::lol:....dt

Marc - 10-11-2010 at 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
a clapping hand.



The Sound of One Hand

What is the Sound of the Single Hand? When you clap together both hands a sharp sound is heard; when you raise the one hand there is neither sound nor smell. Is this the High Heaven of which Confucius speaks? Or is it the essentials of what Yamamba describes in these words: "The echo of the completely empty valley bears tidings heard from the soundless sound?" This is something that can by no means be heard with the ear. If conceptions and discriminations are not mixed within it and it is quite apart from seeing, hearing, perceiving, and knowing, and if, while walking, standing, sitting, and reclining, you proceed straightforwardly without interruption in the study of this koan, you will suddenly pluck out the karmic root of birth and death and break down the cave of ignorance. Thus you will attain to a peace in which the phoenix has left the golden net and the crane has been set free of the basket. At this time the basis of mind, consciousness, and emotion is suddenly shattered; the realm of illusion with its endless sinking in the cycle of birth and death is overturned. The treasure accumulation of the Three Bodies and the Four Wisdoms is taken away, and the miraculous realms of the Six Supernatural Powers and Three Insights is transcended.


Huh? Ah...ya right on bro.

Baja&Back - 10-11-2010 at 10:49 PM

DK has my vote, too.
Go Ferdinand. Around the world!!!

LoyeB - 10-12-2010 at 12:46 AM

Yea thanks so much!

capt. mike - 10-12-2010 at 05:54 AM

i want to get confusted too.
where do i start??

Marc - 10-12-2010 at 06:42 AM

He gets my vote.

To Capt. Mike - HAH!

Gypsy Jan - 10-12-2010 at 07:32 AM

I was going to do a correction, but since you like it, "Let it stand, boys, let it stand."

BooJumMan - 10-12-2010 at 08:10 AM

Yeah David is the man for sure. While there's probably some others who may be close in knowledge they never will share it the way DK does. He always answers questions truthfully and detailed. What a great resource to have here! Thanks!

David K - 10-12-2010 at 08:32 AM

Very kind things to say... thank you amigos, I shall continue to share as long as I can!

Lee - 10-12-2010 at 08:44 AM

I've been a DavidK fan from the beginning. Can't explain it. I know he doesn't love BAJA more than me. Must be his Passion.

Sign me up. He get's my vote. LizardLips too.

dizzyspots - 10-12-2010 at 09:37 AM

Hear ye
Hear ye
VIVA DAVID K!!

motoged - 10-12-2010 at 10:36 AM

Soooooo....do we get stickers, a hat, or a T-shirt with a picture of Dave superimposed on a Baja map?

He has been helpful so many times over with his knowledge.....

Thanks, David :saint::saint::saint:

Mexitron - 10-12-2010 at 11:46 AM

Thanks David for all your great work!

BornFisher - 10-12-2010 at 12:14 PM

DK---- AKA as the Baja Nomad Navigator
Thanks for all the 411!!!

frizkie - 10-12-2010 at 01:19 PM

Put my vote down for David too.
He has been of great help to me over the years on here .. like over ten years!!!
David you're the BEST!!!! Thanks for being you.. ;D:yes:
Barb

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2010 at 01:30 PM

The modern day Christopher Columbus....someone should make him a little hat.

toneart - 10-12-2010 at 01:59 PM

Yes, DavidK indeed shares a great deal of Baja history and his passion shows through. Thank you, David!:yes:

I still reserve the right to stand confusted though.:rolleyes::lol:

David K - 10-12-2010 at 03:30 PM

Thanks... and I will drink to being 'confusted'!

Maybe that is a new word to be used when you like a David K Baja trip or history post, but wish he would not go political! :lol::yes:

Viva Baja Nomads!

toneart - 10-12-2010 at 03:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Thanks... and I will drink to being 'confusted'!

Maybe that is a new word to be used when you like a David K Baja trip or history post, but wish he would not go political! :lol::yes:

Viva Baja Nomads!
:saint:

gnukid - 10-12-2010 at 04:18 PM

DK is going to have to head south of GN to be Magellan... doncha think?

Barry A. - 10-12-2010 at 04:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
DK is going to have to head south of GN to be Magellan... doncha think?


-----wait until DK retires-----he will get there then---------and you can be sure of getttin great info & maps from him when he does.

I second the nomination of David as official "Magellan de Baja", even if he is confusted.

Barry

DanO - 10-12-2010 at 05:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marc
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
a clapping hand.



The Sound of One Hand

What is the Sound of the Single Hand? When you clap together both hands a sharp sound is heard; when you raise the one hand there is neither sound nor smell. Is this the High Heaven of which Confucius speaks? Or is it the essentials of what Yamamba describes in these words: "The echo of the completely empty valley bears tidings heard from the soundless sound?" This is something that can by no means be heard with the ear. If conceptions and discriminations are not mixed within it and it is quite apart from seeing, hearing, perceiving, and knowing, and if, while walking, standing, sitting, and reclining, you proceed straightforwardly without interruption in the study of this koan, you will suddenly pluck out the karmic root of birth and death and break down the cave of ignorance. Thus you will attain to a peace in which the phoenix has left the golden net and the crane has been set free of the basket. At this time the basis of mind, consciousness, and emotion is suddenly shattered; the realm of illusion with its endless sinking in the cycle of birth and death is overturned. The treasure accumulation of the Three Bodies and the Four Wisdoms is taken away, and the miraculous realms of the Six Supernatural Powers and Three Insights is transcended.


Huh? Ah...ya right on bro.


Welp, either Dennis has achieved total enlightenment through the judicious combination of his various meds and whatever's washing them down (and if so, he's right in the sweet spot, baby), or . . . he's just confuciusted. The post in question references Confucianism, Hinduism and Yamamba, which is either a mythological Japanese mountain hag or "a sub-culture in Japan for young girls who wear overly bright citrus or fluorescent clothing, 10 inch platform shoes, bleach their hair to gray/white/yellow/or somewhere between, have an extraordinary tan, wear inverted panda style make-up ie white lip-stick and eye make-up, and spend their days talking loudly on their overly accessorized mobile phones." Images here:

http://www.weirdasianews.com/2006/10/30/japanese-mountain-ha...

Either way, it's scary, but I don't have a clue what it has to do with enlightenment. Or to DavidK or Magellan, for that matter. Dennis, care to come down from the mountain and elaborate?

bacquito - 10-12-2010 at 06:19 PM

Yes David K thanks for sharing your experiences and helping me post photos on Baja Nomad.

ncampion - 10-12-2010 at 06:27 PM

Another YEAH vote for David. Not only does he inspire my love for Baja, but he keeps my spelling honest.

Keri - 10-12-2010 at 06:41 PM

Got my vote and Thanks David for being a friend,k

mtgoat666 - 10-12-2010 at 07:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
DavidK for Magellan of Nomad


perhaps he is a tomtom or a garmin :lol:

GregN - 10-12-2010 at 07:27 PM

David. Thanks for keeping the history alive. If I wrote another Baja book I'd put your name in that one too.

gnukid - 10-12-2010 at 07:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
DK is going to have to head south of GN to be Magellan... doncha think?


-----wait until DK retires-----he will get there then---------and you can be sure of getttin great info & maps from him when he does.

I second the nomination of David as official "Magellan de Baja", even if he is confusted.

Barry


Yes you are right, David for confusted Magellan. 'Cause getting lost is the fun part. jaja

vgabndo - 10-12-2010 at 09:43 PM

I don't know about David, and I doubt I have anything to worry about, but if anyone compared me to either Columbus or Magellan I would be thoroughly insulted.

Christopher C, upon arriving in what would later be the Dominican Republic immediately set about enslaving the native people to make them dig for gold for him and the Christians who sent him. A bold man on an evil mission.

Magellan in 1521 arrived in what would later become the Philippine Islands. He was under orders from the Catholic king of Spain to bring those people under the rule of the king and to submit to the Christian god. When the victims, who had their own culture and religion, refused to submit, Magellan set upon them with the full might of his war ships, muskets, swords, pikes, and armor. The citizens rose up with their sharpened bamboo sticks and killed Magellan for his despicable arrogance.

I thoroughly respect DK's knowledge of the portions of Baja he has explored. I would hope he would eschew any connection with Ferdinand Magellan.

It is interesting to note Magellan's conflicted mind set. While being willing to kill people for not embracing the Bible, he is also quoted as having noticed one of the most damning pieces of evidence for the invalidity of the same book.

To paraphrase..."The church tells me that the earth is flat, I believe it is round, I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I believe the shadow more than I believe the church."

[Edited on 10-13-2010 by vgabndo]

Barry A. - 10-12-2010 at 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't know about David, and I doubt I have anything to worry about, but if anyone compared me to either Columbus or Magellan I would be thoroughly insulted.

Christopher C, upon arriving in what would later be the Dominican Republic immediately set about enslaving the native people to make them dig for gold for him and the Christians who sent him. A bold man on an evil mission.

Magellan in 1521 arrived in what would later become the Philippine Islands. He was under orders from the Catholic king of Spain to bring those people under the rule of the king and to submit to the Christian god. When the victims, who had their own culture and religion, refused to submit, Magellan set upon them with the full might of his war ships, muskets, swords, pikes, and armor. The citizens rose up with their sharpened bamboo sticks and killed Magellan for his despicable arrogance.

I thoroughly respect DK's knowledge of the portions of Baja he has explored. I would hope he would eschew any connection with Ferdinand Magellan.

It is interesting to note Magellan's conflicted mind set. While being willing to kill people for not embracing the Bible, he is also quoted as having noticed one of the most damning pieces of evidence for the invalidity of the same book.

To paraphrase..."The church tells me that the earth is flat, I believe it is round, I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I believe the shadow more than I believe the church."

[Edited on 10-13-2010 by vgabndo]


Good grief----what a macabre comment in a thread that celebrates a man's contribution to his fellow Nomads. (sigh)

Barry

sanquintinsince73 - 10-12-2010 at 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't know about David, and I doubt I have anything to worry about, but if anyone compared me to either Columbus or Magellan I would be thoroughly insulted.

Christopher C, upon arriving in what would later be the Dominican Republic immediately set about enslaving the native people to make them dig for gold for him and the Christians who sent him. A bold man on an evil mission.

Magellan in 1521 arrived in what would later become the Philippine Islands. He was under orders from the Catholic king of Spain to bring those people under the rule of the king and to submit to the Christian god. When the victims, who had their own culture and religion, refused to submit, Magellan set upon them with the full might of his war ships, muskets, swords, pikes, and armor. The citizens rose up with their sharpened bamboo sticks and killed Magellan for his despicable arrogance.

I thoroughly respect DK's knowledge of the portions of Baja he has explored. I would hope he would eschew any connection with Ferdinand Magellan.

It is interesting to note Magellan's conflicted mind set. While being willing to kill people for not embracing the Bible, he is also quoted as having noticed one of the most damning pieces of evidence for the invalidity of the same book.

To paraphrase..."The church tells me that the earth is flat, I believe it is round, I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I believe the shadow more than I believe the church."

[Edited on 10-13-2010 by vgabndo]

Sin comentarios.....

David K - 10-13-2010 at 02:30 AM

So much for 'peace love and fish tacos'... ? Not sure if you are bashing me or Gypsy Jan... I cannot understand even why you would think it was a negative connection!

I am honored that Gypsy Jan has honored me in the way she did....

Magellan was one of the great explorers and the first to prove one could sail around the world (even if he didn't make it back).

Columbus discovered the New World for Spain, even though he thought he was in the region of India or the East Indies... They were explorers, and if not them, then someone else... But they are the ones recognized for importat things.

As for the King's orders, well he was the boss and signed their paychecks... Would we have ever known of them if they refused the King's orders??? Nope, they would be dead and forgotten. The natives of America were no less violent and aggressive to each other... it was a tough world back then.

I can assure you I take no guns into new lands, nor want to dominate other cultures and have no religious zeal to convert anyone... my church is within me, as is my God.

capt. mike - 10-13-2010 at 06:11 AM

kooooom bye jaaaaaaaaaaaaa:lol::lol::yawn:

manefest destiny has plenty of heroes and villians, but it had to happen big deal.
in fact it is still happening all around us only $$ is the medium not men.
and let us not forget the space aliens - they are here now and slowly working a soft control....Nancy Pelosi is one of the more ugly amongst their breed.:lol::lol:

jorgie - 10-13-2010 at 06:35 AM

That last post was very good David . Thank you for connecting me to my desired destination in Baja . As you know that connection has resulted in Amigos para siempre .
David , in heart you are a Baja Nomad

DianaT - 10-13-2010 at 07:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vgabndo
I don't know about David, and I doubt I have anything to worry about, but if anyone compared me to either Columbus or Magellan I would be thoroughly insulted.

Christopher C, upon arriving in what would later be the Dominican Republic immediately set about enslaving the native people to make them dig for gold for him and the Christians who sent him. A bold man on an evil mission.

Magellan in 1521 arrived in what would later become the Philippine Islands. He was under orders from the Catholic king of Spain to bring those people under the rule of the king and to submit to the Christian god. When the victims, who had their own culture and religion, refused to submit, Magellan set upon them with the full might of his war ships, muskets, swords, pikes, and armor. The citizens rose up with their sharpened bamboo sticks and killed Magellan for his despicable arrogance.

I thoroughly respect DK's knowledge of the portions of Baja he has explored. I would hope he would eschew any connection with Ferdinand Magellan.

It is interesting to note Magellan's conflicted mind set. While being willing to kill people for not embracing the Bible, he is also quoted as having noticed one of the most damning pieces of evidence for the invalidity of the same book.

To paraphrase..."The church tells me that the earth is flat, I believe it is round, I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I believe the shadow more than I believe the church."

[Edited on 10-13-2010 by vgabndo]


Thank you for the reminder that we all too often accept the elementary school history and myths that grant hero status to such people. Adventurers and fortune seekers they were, murderers they were, and heros they were not.

David does have and shares lots of knowledge about parts of Baja But while at times he does not accept other people's opinions about parts of Baja as valid, or their experiences different than his as valid, and he loves to throw in his politics, he is certainly no Magellen---thank the gods or the people of Baja would be in real danger. :biggrin:



[Edited on 10-13-2010 by DianaT]

Barry A. - 10-13-2010 at 08:11 AM

Well said, David K. . Vags comments were not appropriate in the context of this thread, in my opinion. Vag and Diana would have us look into the past acts of the "heros" that just participated in the rescue of the 33 miners in Chile, and reveal all & any dirt found while covering the wondrous happenings of last night and today---------which I believe would be totally inappropriate. Talk about confusing and ruining the coverage & celebration of 'man' at his best with negativity.

Another example of differences in people's thinking process and sensitivities--------no wonder we are polarized.

In my book the comparison of David to Magellan is a compliment, and I am positive it was meant to be that way.

Thanks again David for all you do for us.

Barry

DianaT - 10-13-2010 at 08:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
...... Vag and Diana would have us look into the past acts of the "heros" that just participated in the rescue of the 33 miners in Chile, and reveal all & any dirt found while covering the wondrous happenings of last night and today---------which I believe would be totally inappropriate. Talk about confusing and ruining the coverage & celebration of 'man' at his best with negativity.....

Barry


Comparing the thoughts about the amazing rescue of 33 human lives to the murderous actions of others, is apples and oranges, and illogical conclusions------

Are you referring to Magellan at his best? Would hate to have seen what happened at his worst.

The rescue IMHO, should be celebrated, murder should not.

As I said, glad DK is not Magellan, or Baja would be in real trouble and DK would probably not be alive. Magellan's arrogance and stupidity led to his own death. In many ways, he was a victim of his times and religion.

I am sure Gyspy Jan had nothing but good in her thoughts as these myths are such a part of our thinking. But, I applaud Vag for his simple reminder.





[Edited on 10-13-2010 by DianaT]

Barry A. - 10-13-2010 at 08:44 AM

Perhaps "illogical" in your mind, Diana, but very logical in mine. I stand by my comparison---------To me, the only important subject here is the fact that David helps us with knowledge of Baja, and that some of us really appreciate it. To bring these other negative comments into this thread is not appropriate & pointless, as I see it.

Lets drop this distracting talk, and get back to celebrating and thanking David K. for helping so many NOMADS------- at least some of us.

On the positive side, at least our bantering keeps this thread at the top of the "Today's Posts" list. (-:

(by the way, I DID learn about the negative-side of Columbus and Magellan way back in grade school in the '40's when apparently the teachers/schools did a better job here in CA)

Barry

shari - 10-13-2010 at 08:57 AM

OK...I'm all for celebrating!!! three cheers for David K and his amazing passion for history, baja and gps's!!! thanks for all your info and generous help David.

I'm not a Magellan or Chris C fan ...I appreciate DK more than those guys!

David K - 10-13-2010 at 09:04 AM

Anyway, thanks Gypsy Jan... and I really enjoyed Mt.Goat 666's reply... very funny. At least he follows if you got nothing nice to say, shut up philosophy.

I have no problems with opinions, but at least don't have a problem with my opinions when they are posted for balance. Don't mix up facts with opinions.

Sad that today's school kids are robbed of the heroes we had... I mean we survived on it, and made our own conclusions. Maybe that's why they are re-writing history books to change those opinions into facts? They did the same thing in the Soviet Union...

Myths? Wow, really... so European explorers were all bad... That IS an opinion. I suppose the founding fathers were bad too... how about Abe Lincoln... bad?

When I researched for the new edition of my Baja California Mission Fact Pages http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions I found most of the newest published history contained errors, the best information came from the oldest books that were written less than 100 years after the mission system ended. So the newest version of history, may not be the finest... People sometimes like to change things to promote their political or world views.

Thank you again for the nice comments from most of you... I am here to help with your Baja adventures, if I can... I will provide maps, photos, history... and if you would like a personal guide, I am for hire! (I am not doing much of my own work of landscape irrigation and lighting, in this economy)!

[Edited on 10-13-2010 by David K]

805gregg - 10-13-2010 at 06:51 PM

Well we've got a nomination and a second, I'll give it a turd.

Coming from Amigos de Baja and invited here by DavidK

Ken Cooke - 10-13-2010 at 07:44 PM

I'll nominate David for Magellin de Baja. I can't think of anyone else that has been bugging me more over the past 10 years to visit Cañon de Guadalupe and Shell Island than David K.:lol:

classically phunnie....

capt. mike - 10-14-2010 at 03:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Well we've got a nomination and a second, I'll give it a turd.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

ok, the motion passed ...gas.:yawn:

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2010 at 06:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
Quote:
Originally posted by 805gregg
Well we've got a nomination and a second, I'll give it a turd.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:

ok, the motion passed ...gas.:yawn:


capt cracker, an expert on flatulence, if there ever was one :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 10-14-2010 at 07:55 AM

It is Amazing!!

DianT. Please answer just One little Question,

What difference does it make when you speak Nasty Words about Past heros???

Is it because of you Twisted Views about Religion??
What will people report about you a 100 years from now?? It is just a waste of everyones time to read you "Opinion" about History.


Go David!!

Skeet

Lee - 10-14-2010 at 08:58 AM

Quote:
quote]Originally posted by Barry A.
As I said, glad DK is not Magellan, or Baja would be in real trouble and DK would probably not be alive. Magellan's arrogance and stupidity led to his own death.


The reference to Magellan was meant figuratively -- not to the actual person. By the way, why does anyone celebrate Columbus Day? He didn't discover squat. And, if only the Indians back in the 1700's had a immigration and border policy, they would have told the Pilgrims (an annal bunch if there ever was a bunch): shove off honkies, you don't have a right to be here -- and your papers are worthless.

But, this thread isn't about this BS -- it's about DavidK who is unlike Magellan, Columbus, or the Pilgrims.

Way to go.

gnukid - 10-14-2010 at 09:11 AM

I sure hope he does come south of Guerrero Negro though to get to know baja sur like Skeet says, or we could say he is 1/2 Magellan of BN or "1/4 Magellan of BN heading south of Shell beach soon!"

Shouldn't there be a test? Dk can you pronounce Santa Rosalalalalalalita?

[Edited on 10-14-2010 by gnukid]

David K - 10-14-2010 at 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I sure hope he does come south of Guerrero Negro though to get to know baja sur like Skeet says, or we could say he is 1/2 Magellan of BN or "1/4 Magellan of BN heading south of Shell beach soon!"

Shouldn't there be a test? Dk can you pronounce Santa Rosalalalalalalita?

[Edited on 10-14-2010 by gnukid]


It is Santa Rosalillita (Rosa-Lee-YEE-tah)... and that is not in Baja California Sur, even! :lol::light:

If you actually read my trip reports or actually went to http://VivaBaja.com you would see that I have been south of the 28º latitude line, many times in my life. Now, not a ton mind you... there is plenty to keep me having fun in Baja Norte, so I don't need to drive for 2+ days to enjoy Baja, when Norte begins an hour from my front door and Shell Island or boojum trees are only 6 hours away. But as for Baja Sur:

The last time was last year: http://vivabaja.com/709

then 2 years earlier: http://vivabaja.com/707

then all the way to Cabo and around for 15 days for Christmas '01/ New Years 2002: http://vivabaja.com/baja15

and on my first honeymoon back in 1985 as far as Cabo,

and in 1974 to Cabo for my guidebook,

and in 1973 to Loreto over the old road and new road before it was finished.

and in 1966 to the tip by Jeep Wagoneer... took 2 weeks to get to Cabo then, with 800 miles of dirt, much of it ungraded desert track.

gnukid - 10-14-2010 at 11:09 AM

Yes DK, well done, I know, I read the reports! Very nice, I was just giving fodder for post counts!

DK for Larry King of BN!

David K - 10-14-2010 at 11:10 AM

ugg, not him, please!

Skeet/Loreto - 10-14-2010 at 11:13 AM

Now all you need David is to go South of Agua Verde down to Los Delores! And you can't go by Jeep, it will have to be by Panga and you will see some Beautifull Country, with very few People..

I appreciate all of your good work and effort!

Skeet/Loreto

Barry A. - 10-14-2010 at 01:54 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
quote]Originally posted by Barry A.
As I said, glad DK is not Magellan, or Baja would be in real trouble and DK would probably not be alive. Magellan's arrogance and stupidity led to his own death.


The reference to Magellan was meant figuratively -- not to the actual person. By the way, why does anyone celebrate Columbus Day? He didn't discover squat. And, if only the Indians back in the 1700's had a immigration and border policy, they would have told the Pilgrims (an annal bunch if there ever was a bunch): shove off honkies, you don't have a right to be here -- and your papers are worthless.

But, this thread isn't about this BS -- it's about DavidK who is unlike Magellan, Columbus, or the Pilgrims.

Way to go.


Errr, ahhhh, Lee your "quote" is mistaken--------I, Barry A., never said that which you show as a "quote" for me. (just to keep the record clear) :lol: Please recheck your sources.

Thanks, Barry

DENNIS - 10-14-2010 at 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT
As I said, glad DK is not Magellan, or Baja would be in real trouble and DK would probably not be alive. Magellan's arrogance and stupidity led to his own death. In many ways, he was a victim of his times and religion.



Here ya go Barry. I think Mr. Lee just made a little error with the quote box. They can be a bit confusing sometimes.

sanquintinsince73 - 10-14-2010 at 03:15 PM

I'd love to sit around a fogata with you and the Mrs. one day David and hear of some of your adventures in Baja.

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2010 at 03:20 PM

DK is quite enthusiastic, and quite quick to take umbrage,... and this thread illustrates he is quite a lightning rod. I think his GPS antenna doth stick up too high, he attracts a discharge from every passing thunderhead (and a few passing dunderheads).

His maps and stories and enthusiasm are quite entertaining. His political grandstanding is equally entertaining.

David K - 10-14-2010 at 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now all you need David is to go South of Agua Verde down to Los Delores! And you can't go by Jeep, it will have to be by Panga and you will see some Beautifull Country, with very few People..

I appreciate all of your good work and effort!

Skeet/Loreto


Skeet, you are 'da man!

Part of 'my work' here is to spell the places in Baja correctly... and to prove to the anti DK groupies here that I don't have special rules for my close friends... it is LOS DOLORES (named after the Jesuit mission originally founded on the coast but moved a few miles inland and later moved to La Pasion). :light:

See http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions

Neal Johns - 10-14-2010 at 05:07 PM

DK? He's not all bad for a young kid.

My highest compliment, David. :lol::lol::lol:

Time to take my nap. Come up again and get a free book on Baja.

David K - 10-14-2010 at 05:09 PM

Thanks Neal, how's your differential doing? See you soon my young friend! :biggrin:

vgabndo - 10-14-2010 at 06:18 PM

On the subject of the "hero" status of people in history who clearly were sociopathic, one is tempted to invoke Herman Ausubel's Dictum. The problem is that both Columbus and Magellan shared the same religion and the rules of behavior established for this belief system are only found in the Bible. That collection of old myths and legends is so full of insane contradictions created by the bronze age mud hut dwellers who wrote it that one cannot claim that there existed in the minds of Columbus and Magellan any clear moral code.

To revert to realism, I propose that "be good for goodness sake" could always have been held as a universally accepted code of behavior. In that case, murder in the name of Christianity, or slavery in the quest for riches CAN be held as fundamentally evil.

I wouldn't want my name associated with evil. It appears DK doesn't mind. That's his call.

Again...kudos to David K for sharing his obsession with that part of Baja with which he is familiar. It is good for Nomads and it is good for his ego, that's a win/win huh? :lol:

Barry A. - 10-15-2010 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
On the subject of the "hero" status of people in history who clearly were sociopathic, one is tempted to invoke Herman Ausubel's Dictum. The problem is that both Columbus and Magellan shared the same religion and the rules of behavior established for this belief system are only found in the Bible. That collection of old myths and legends is so full of insane contradictions created by the bronze age mud hut dwellers who wrote it that one cannot claim that there existed in the minds of Columbus and Magellan any clear moral code.

To revert to realism, I propose that "be good for goodness sake" could always have been held as a universally accepted code of behavior. In that case, murder in the name of Christianity, or slavery in the quest for riches CAN be held as fundamentally evil.

I wouldn't want my name associated with evil. It appears DK doesn't mind. That's his call.

Again...kudos to David K for sharing his obsession with that part of Baja with which he is familiar. It is good for Nomads and it is good for his ego, that's a win/win huh? :lol:


Vag---------it has long occurred to me that using certain twisted context, almost every man-act can be deemed evil--------who are we to condemn actions that took place 100's of years ago when we only vaguely know the context of those times?? To evaluate those actions with 21st century wisdom seems somewhat arrogant and speculative, to me. The often utilized attempt by scholars to discredit Icons of the past is bound to confuse, especially kids--------and to what end in the big picture?

I believe that type of scrutiny is appropriate for scholars, but probably less so for the general public, or kids, and is certainly not appropriate when trying to show our appreciation for "one of our own" NOMADS, is it? You apparently think it is--------I disagree.

Who cares what is driving David to do what he does (ego, humanity, wanting to help? etc.) ? To me that is totally irrelevant----many of we NOMADS just really appreciate what he does on this board (and elsewhere) and wanted to express that.

I won't even address your comments on religion and the Bible, except to mention that millions, if not billions, of people on earth don't seem to agree with you. Why you threw that disruptive & inflammatory concept out in THIS context is beyond my comprehension. (ego, arrogance, disgust, or to "teach", or all of the above?????)

Barry

DENNIS - 10-15-2010 at 11:25 AM

There are two Davids here. The political one and the Baja one and only one of them has gathered so many detractors.
I suggest we seperate the two and look at David as a person with Multiple personalities. Take from the good David and ignore the other if you disagree with him.
I've never seen anyone disagree with his knowledge of Baja. That has to be appreciated.
Doesn't it??

Barry A. - 10-15-2010 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

I've never seen anyone disagree with his knowledge of Baja. That has to be appreciated.
Doesn't it??


(bump) Absolutely, Dennis!!!!! but personally I like and respect "both" the David's I have come to know via this board, but I admit, that is just ME.

If only folks would STOP making political or radical comments outside the OFF TOPIC forum we would not be getting what some see as unwelcome responses As almost always happens, one "political or radical statement" triggers a reaction. (Duh) :light:

Barry

sanquintinsince73 - 10-15-2010 at 03:19 PM

I agree Barry. Thanks for setting that chit disturber with an agenda straight.

DENNIS - 10-15-2010 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree Barry. Thanks for setting that poo disturber with an agenda straight.



Whooosat? I lost it.

vgabndo - 10-15-2010 at 07:13 PM

You're right Barry, it is often extremely frustrating to be a thinking, studying, rational, realist in a country with an illegally established exclusionary national belief system which is a doomsday cult. When people mindlessly honor the vile acts of people who were every bit as intelligent as we are today, but who purposefully went about enslaving and butchering people in the name of one of the 30,000 claimed gods, I am affronted.

While it is true that one of the older cults has traditionally protected pedophilic men of God, fortunately some of the cults are much nicer.

Like the Westboro Baptist Church http://www.godhatesfags.com/

It makes me so proud to be an American.

[Edited on 10-17-2010 by vgabndo]

Barry A. - 10-15-2010 at 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
You're right Barry, it is often extremely frustrating to be a thinking, studying, rational, realist in a country with an illegally established exclusionary national belief system which is a doomsday cult. When people mindlessly honor the vile acts of people who were every bit as intelligent as we are today, but who purposefully went about enslaving and butchering people in the name of one of the 30,000 claimed gods, I am affronted.

While it is true that one of the older cults has traditionally protected pedophilic men of God, fortunately some of the cults are much nicer.

Like the Danboro Baptist Church http://www.godhatesfags.com/

It makes me so proud to be an American.


I give up!!!!! I have no idea what you are talking about, for the most part. The Force be with you, Vag.

Barry

capt. mike - 10-16-2010 at 06:14 AM

frankly i find the debate here betwixed Vag and Barry to be way more entertaining than the subject of this thread. Rave on men!

i think that taken in the context of the times, both Columbus and Magellan were both operating within the bounds of "normal" behavior fot their respective endeavors. what they "did" was routine for the day. It just is simply the way things were and as they evolved. It was not "right" or wrong per se - it just was.
big deal. Has nada to do with the mores in vogue today. that is why history is do fun.

vgabndo - 10-17-2010 at 12:03 PM

Barry... let's see if you "get" this. A long time ago boy named Jack traded the family cow for some magic beans, his angry mother threw them on the ground where they promptly germinated and grew far into the sky. Jack climbed up and found the home of a giant. He broke in and stole the giant's gold, then returned to steal again and again; a magic goose and a magic harp. Almost every American child has heard this fairy tale.

Here's the clearly factual difference between the stories of Jack and Jesus. Christian parents don't threaten their children with a very special horrible, hidiously painful, forever, place called hell for the offense of not believing in Jack's beanstalk even though there is exactly an equal amount of proof that both stories are true.

It has proven extremely difficult to rehabilitate these poor children after so thorough a brainwashing at such an early age. It is even more difficult after they have been sodomized by their spiritual advisors.

I have several different kinds of vegetables in my one garden, according to the Bible that is a mortal sin punishable by death. I am being careful to keep the JW's, Latter Day Saints and the Tea Party fanatics at the front door and out of sight of my garden. :no:

It is my moral duty as an educated patriot to fight against such madness and mass delusion. I acknowledge that I am at some risk of the "terrible swift sword" of Jesus's flock.

I'll repeat here my respect for DK's knowledge of the parts of Baja he has studied.

Barry A. - 10-17-2010 at 12:37 PM

Vag--------our thoughts are passing in the night, not relating to each other at all, it seems. In this thread, I have mainly questioned the "appropriateness" of some of your comments------the content is a secondary consideration. I still think most your comments in this thread are highly innapropriate, but then look at me participating. I just can[t seem to help it, much like you. :lol:

Tho I am not a religious individual, many of my family and friends are, but they neither practice or condone the negative "issues" that you bring up about "religion"-------in fact they, and I, may agree with the thrust of much of what you say, some specific points tho not at all. I applaud your outcrys about the injustice and malice you see in the religions community, but you are branding the many for the evil and crazyness of a few. And yes, most of my family and friends are loud protesters of these kooks and evil-doers within their midst when the issue comes up.

On the "vegetable" issue, I really do NOT get what you are talking about, probably because I am really not familiar with the Bible (???). I don't really know why this goes over my head, but it does. And I don't recall ever being exposed to the fairly tales of which you refer to (tho I have heard of them)-----I have always shied away from fairly tales even as a child-----much preferring reality & history.

Again, I applaud your passion, but just think it is misdirected and out of place in this thread. We ought to be discussing this in the OFF TOPIC forum, not here.

Now please explain this "vegetable issue"-----I may be guilty of it also, heaven forbid. We really should meet someday in SengThongs in Dunsmuir and discuss this over good food and wine. :yes:

Barry

norte - 10-17-2010 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Vag--------our thoughts are passing in the night, not relating to each other at all, it seems. In this thread, I have mainly questioned the "appropriateness" of some of your comments------the content is a secondary consideration. I still think most your comments in this thread are highly innapropriate, but then look at me participating. I just can[t seem to help it, much like you. :lol:

:yes:

Barry



Please what is appropriate and notapproprite if the content is not a consideration??????:?::?:

Barry A. - 10-17-2010 at 01:31 PM

I don't know------it sounded good to me at the time. :tumble:

My use of the word "inappropriate" referred to negative and inflammatory comments by Vag other than in support of David K, which after all is what the thread was all about, or intended. Vag brought several other controversial topics to the table in his posts, IMO.

May I suggest you review the entire thread, Norte?

Barry

schwlind - 10-17-2010 at 01:54 PM

David,

I agree 100% with those who appreciate all you bring and freely share with fellow Nomads...

Your detractors... well I guess it's hard for some people to either just say something nice... or keep their traps shut!

Thanks again... from a very grateful Nomad...
Linda

norte - 10-17-2010 at 02:00 PM

Actually Linda, if you go back to the first post you will see this was supposed to be a poll. You make it almost like his politics - one sided
Quote:
Originally posted by schwlind
David,

I agree 100% with those who appreciate all you bring and freely share with fellow Nomads...

Your detractors... well I guess it's hard for some people to either just say something nice... or keep their traps shut!

Thanks again... from a very grateful Nomad...
Linda

Barry A. - 10-17-2010 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by norte
Actually Linda, if you go back to the first post you will see this was supposed to be a poll. You make it almost like his politics - one sided


Quote:
Originally posted by schwlind
David,

I agree 100% with those who appreciate all you bring and freely share with fellow Nomads...

Your detractors... well I guess it's hard for some people to either just say something nice... or keep their traps shut!

Thanks again... from a very grateful Nomad...
Linda


Yes, it was originally set up as a poll, but that poll never developed.

I cannot think of anybody that I know that is two-sided in their politics. But of course "politics" was not the subject of this thread, or at least it was not intended that way.

Some of us just wanted to thank David K for all he does for his fellow NOMADS (and many others)----other folks wanted to confuse the issue, apparently. (or maybe it is just me that is confused) :lol:

Barry

norte - 10-17-2010 at 02:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by norte
Actually Linda, if you go back to the first post you will see this was supposed to be a poll. You make it almost like his politics - one sided


Quote:
Originally posted by schwlind
David,

I agree 100% with those who appreciate all you bring and freely share with fellow Nomads...

Your detractors... well I guess it's hard for some people to either just say something nice... or keep their traps shut!

Thanks again... from a very grateful Nomad...
Linda


Yes, it was originally set up as a poll, but that poll never developed.

I cannot think of anybody that I know that is two-sided in their politics. But of course "politics" was not the subject of this thread, or at least it was not intended that way.

Some of us just wanted to thank David K for all he does for his fellow NOMADS (and many others)----other folks wanted to confuse the issue, apparently. (or maybe it is just me that is confused) :lol:

Barry


There are some people who listen. and yes youmay be confused:lol::lol:

I Am Poll-Impaired

Gypsy Jan - 10-17-2010 at 03:06 PM

I tried, I tried again; I failed to get the Poll function of Nomad to work for me, but this says more about me than about the Nomd facilities.

Other Nomads could/would probably regale you with the crappy pictures I have posted because I am Picture Posting Impaired.

mtgoat666 - 10-17-2010 at 03:56 PM

Given that this thread was intended in the beginning to be a beatification of DavidK by chicken coup groupers, it was very appropriate that DK posted the first political comment, and the thread evolved to this state of political maelstrom.
Classic DK all the way!