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Dirt road 6.8 miles south of Punta Prieta

David K - 11-1-2010 at 10:47 PM

I was asked to help find a road that was once on the Auto Club map, but no more...

It is the road from south of Punta Prieta (the town) on Hwy. 1 to the graded dirt highway leading north from Santa Rosalillita.

6.8 miles south of Punta Prieta is La Bachata... an abandoned house with triangle shaped windows, I recall... This is just before Hwy. 1 turns left and climbs up the hill.

Leave Hwy. 1 here or just before, and head over to the old main road, then work down the valley towards the west.

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by David K]

David K - 11-2-2010 at 08:27 AM

Here is the 1990 Auto Club map showing the road... It is 14.2 miles from Hwy. 1 (La Bachata) to the coastal dirt highway.

Mike99km - 11-2-2010 at 09:15 AM

Just have to ask, If you can't figure this out for yourself should you be going? Was this asked in a u2u if so why post it here instead of a u2u. Why not include the GPS points as well?

David K - 11-2-2010 at 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike99km
Just have to ask, If you can't figure this out for yourself should you be going? Was this asked in a u2u if so why post it here instead of a u2u. Why not include the GPS points as well?

Because there is nothing 'secret' or 'private' to providing a road report.

I was asked to show the satellite images, and so it needs to be on the board.

Why is showing a dirt road in Baja a problem?

Why do people buy maps and guides if they 'should know' these things automatically?

Baja Nomad is here for enhancing and sharing the Baja peninsula with fellow Baja enthusiasts, which is what I am doing.

No offence intended, but I don't get why it is okay that you know where this road is but not another Baja Nomad who is just seeking a short cut to a favorite beach... which saves gasoline... and is thus good for the enviroment! :light:

Have a nice day... remember: Giving is good!

Mike99km - 11-2-2010 at 07:03 PM

There are no secrets but the things I value the most I worked the hardest for. That includes research and fact finding and the doing.

I hope you never show up a your island and have 20 other camps.
I hope you never hear one of the camper's say " We thought about coming here before but didn't think we could make it but when we read about how easy it was, we decided to try". Yes, we pulled them out later.
While watching a bar being built I hope you never hear your wife say " I m done here, I will not watch paradise be paved. It sucks when she says the same thing 7 years later when the first house goes up on another point.
How about walking up a dry wash bed and seeing nothing but TP flags.
These are a few examples that have happened to me.
I understand that we must embrace change. If you're in a little town or own a place that benefits tourist. Tell me all about you place and I will recommend it to others. Might post to check the (point, island,beach) north of this place and let the reader discover something themselves.
Sitting around a fire anywhere I will give you all the beta you could ask for. I would not yell it for the rest of the camp to hear. Posting on Nomads is YELLING. It's not about sharing something one on one, It's about taking the adventure out of it. Making yourself look like the "Baja Guru".
David, you not could have sent a e-mail or even set it up on your board? If this guy can't figure out how to use Google maps or isn't ready to make a few wrong turns to get somewhere should he be going in the first place? You seem to love doing this stuff why take that adventure from others?
I don't think you have anything invested in the pacific side at all. You mostly drive around and post it all here.
Some of us have watched some very cool places go to hell, places that we've been going to and enjoyed. I get peeed at the way you flow out the information with little concern for what will happen.
I sad part is you will never understand what I am trying to say.

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by Mike99km]

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by Mike99km]

David K - 11-2-2010 at 07:17 PM

Mike, I have always shared Shell Island and all the places I have enjoyed in Baja... and have never regretted it. If I found 20 others camping on Shell Island I would be happy that they had gotten there and share a beer with them. Why do you hate Baja loving people?

I have no idea why (some) surfers think once they find a place they like then the sharing should stop (but how did they find it?)... It isn't even your country, let alone your property... and of the 365 days in a year, do you really ever have a problem riding a wave or is is solid with surfers and no room for you?

The ONLY thing you should worry about is the Mexican Government who has built a 2WD graded highway from Santa Rosalillita to Bahia Blanca... It is GOOD ROADS that bring all kinds of people in, NOT posts on Baja Nomad. NOTHING I have done has changed conditions in the Seven Sisters. So, don't give me so much credit... Why do you deny your fellow Baja Nomad brothers and sisters from enjoying any part of Baja? Is all you know how to do is take and cannot give... even a little?

Also, no mention of surfing, beaches or the ocean was given... just a short cut road someone wanted to see. You fussing is just drawing more attention to this... I would be happy to remove it all since the Nomad has seen it... but you being un-nice and calling me names has about changed my mind.

Apologize, and I will remove the sattelite images, okay... is that a fair trade?

woody with a view - 11-2-2010 at 07:19 PM

EXACTO!

remember DK, there are numerous guys waiting to come bumper to bumper with you out on a single track........ not just on the left coast, either. this is why.

get out the popcorn, folks..... :barf:

woody with a view - 11-2-2010 at 07:24 PM

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2WD graded highway from Santa Rosalillita to Bahia Blanca... It is GOOD ROADS that bring all kinds of people in

been down it lately? i'll bet 2 in 10 gringos in 2wd would be stuck within 2 miles of the silt beds from north or south. stick to your side of the peninsular divide.

p.s. in 2010 we've spent 17 days in the region and even with my fotos all geographic locators have been cropped. yes, maps are out there, but it takes a robust set of balls to take a dirt road for the first time.

unless DK has posted turn by turn directions in the past 6 months. GET IT?

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by woody with a view]

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by woody with a view]

Posting on Nomads is YELLING.

mcfez - 11-2-2010 at 07:46 PM

Well....why you think most of us are here? To share information with others!

Secret little spots a dirt road leads too .....hummmmm.

Secret? How bout the guys who made that dirt road (for a reason). The "others' like me that drives down roads to "see whats down there". How bout them big ol chunks of metal up in space giving out imaging from space (Google maps). Same goes for trails. Secrets? Naw. Limited access maybe.

Thanks to people on this BN....I have found some really cool places, and NOT found some really bad places....saving the day.

Hell...I shared a great "secret" fishing hole last with the gps pointing to it. Secret...was it? Maybe to the other hundreds guys before me....thought it was secret....Limited access.

Real world dude. There be Limited access areas for you till the day you croak. Baja....she is very big.

Leave the maps up David.

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by mcfez]

motoged - 11-2-2010 at 07:54 PM

Now, Boys..... :no:

I thank Dave for his open sharing of such info....and Woody equally for his private sharing (which I have kept to myself).

Let the guys with small balls get stuck in the silt....and wave as you go by.

Let the guys with big balls get stuck in the silt and push themselves out :lol:

I tend to do lots of my own researching for adventure, and don't like folks playing in what I would call my private sandbox...so I appreciate the feelings of intrusion (as I wish the world to be mine, and shared sparingly with the few that deserve the grace of my company

).

But the world is infected with a virus (human beings) that spreads chittickets, beer cans, diapers, and bad juju all over...

I doubt too many folks take David up on the roads he posts....simply because not too many folks read this forum....lots more just pound down roads lookin for what's next....let them get stuck....it's part of the adventure.....surfers probably have their internal GPS's set for potential sites....or listen in to their flipflop telegraph.

I hope I meet up with both you guys sometime down there....not bumper to bumper, but smile to smile....once you realize that dirt bikers aren't the punks o' dirt some folks think they are :cool:

woody with a view - 11-2-2010 at 08:06 PM

if you bring a board on a bike, you earned it.

BTW, for the hundredth time. no one is claiming anything for themselves. just leave a little to the imagination for the next guy. it's all out there and now the season is getting under way. shawn styles tells everyone 3 days in advance when the next swell is coming, numerous websites will give you updates......

i guess i'm just a CULERO on a single track, with a single track mind. i'm going to do my best to ignore this thread, as it's been beaten to death.

DK, someone asked you (in private, i assume!) to do the heavy lifting for them. if i ask you to jump off a spot at Sunset Cliffs, will you? :bounce:

motoged - 11-2-2010 at 08:38 PM

Woody,
If I could, I would surf the silt with the bike under one arm and a case of El Indio under the other :cool:

I hope to see that coast this Feb on the bike....didn't do it last year, so am promising myself this time :saint:

ssshhhh

Mike99km - 11-2-2010 at 08:43 PM

I enjoy most people, especially Baja people. I hate when somebody is YELLING to make them selves seem important. This is the thread I just got tired of not saying anything. Most of the time I ignore your post and move on. When you quit going some place because you can't get on the beach or the beach is so full of trash then think of this.
This has nothing to do about The Sisters or anything related to surfing. It's about you and your ego and your need to take the adventure out of a Baja trip. I'm just calling you on it. Telling somebody where to turn or how to get someplace is B.S. If they can't figure it out, should they go there?
You love to post about things that you have little clue about other than what a map or what you see on Google or you drove down the road ? years ago.
What I am saying is, send a Email or a u2u instead you post here so you can be special.
I used to believe that there was a place for everybody in Baja. That we all could share, I was wrong there are to many a~~holes and they will not share.
I have problems when these A~~holes,they don't understand the people, take the pristine environment for granted.
YOU ENCOURAGE THEM!
I have supported the local I have come to know. I have encourage good people to go to remote places, others will never hear of it.
You give them a road map with notes on so they can F~~~up another place. You post it here so all a~~holes can see it.
You claim it's to help people, to give. I say fine, if they can put on their big kids pants and figure out what's up, I have cold beer and would love to share.
When they show without a clue let Darwin's rules apply.
What you will never understand is you yelling is annoying and encouraging people that would never go someplace to go.

If bad roads bring good people and good roads bring bad people. Why do you want more bad people?

David K - 11-2-2010 at 09:12 PM

Yelling? I capitalized 5 words to help them stand out of the hundred I typed... Yelling is when ALL the words are in CAPS... get it?

Woody, it is so funny how you can choose to be nice one day and mean the next...??? I don't threaten you, don't threaten me.

When you wanted details on Gonzaga Bay or other places you didn't know about (and got it)... the kind you would freak if it was Blanca Bay, you didn't mind it did you? I got a few u2u's with people that couldn't believe the hypocracy of your posts here... asking for details and getting them.

It is all Baja, and this is all Baja Nomad... Because you like one place to surf that youiwent to a first time once... you don't want anyone else there? Then buy it and built a fence.

My post was NOT about any surfing ... It was about a DIRT ROAD. Get over this need for controlling what other Nomads can see here.

Keep responding to this dirt road thread, and it keeps it bumped to the top... you surf dictators can be nice, and I have offered to remove the satellite images... Although they do not show anything that should concern you... just a road in the desert.

dtbushpilot - 11-2-2010 at 09:16 PM

"Can't we all just get along"?....Rodney King...

Woody, I get it, I know why......99 out of 100 (probably more) people will never put forth the effort to get off their ass and go anywhere. The few who do already know where to go, how to get there etc. There are any number of publications detailing how to go anywhere on earth that one would want to go.

I have secret places that I go that I would like to keep to myself....there's probably hundreds of people that think that it is their secret place too. I was a surfer back in the day(1970's) was even on the surf team at Morse High, and me and all my buddy's talked about some day going to Baja and surfing seven sisters and San Junacio. We made it as far as KM 38.....ran out of pesos. Point is that these secret places have been known for many years, the thing that separates the posers from the doers is the gumption (am I dating myself with such a word?) to get off your ass and go. You do, I do, most don't.

The past 20 years or so I've been more into off road riding and fishing in Baja. Most of the cool trails and good fishing spots I have found with help from other riders or fishermen (fisherpersons). I would be happy to share my secrets, favorite spots, special techniques etc with my Nomad brethren because what I have learned and what I have experienced has brought me great pleasure. Most Nomads don't live here and those who do don't seem to get out much so I don't feel threatened by sharing what I know. I'm a lucky guy, but I've worked hard for my "luck".

motoged, My son and I will be doing a Baja adventure ride out of and returning to Ensenada the last week of December and first week of January. I will be bringing my bike (690 KTM) back to Buena Vista after we finish. I know you are planning a ride down this way, maybe we could get together and ride some secrete trails.....dt

David K - 11-2-2010 at 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike99km

If bad roads bring good people and good roads bring bad people. Why do you want more bad people?

Huh...

I DON'T (yelling now, yes)... If you knew an ounce about me it is that I love bad roads... it means good people are on the other end...

The Mexican Government is building the good roads... I love roads that require 4WD, deflating tires, A-TRAC or lockers... See our Mision Santa Maria trips... and Shell Island trips, etc.

It is the government you can direct your anger at... I have NOTHING to do with graded or paved roads being built... I would like to discourage it. I like bad roads.

The roads to and along the Seven Sisters have been on maps and guidebooks for 50 years! No hords of people there from that.

The paving into Santa Rosalillita, the graded road north, the other graded road to San Jose and Santa Catarina, Canoas were all done by the governmemnt... and that is how 'all kinds of people' can get to 'your' surf spot... not a 14 mile piece of dirt road I showed above...

mcfez - 11-2-2010 at 10:49 PM

........Then buy it and built a fence.

OH Gods! What a great come back. :lol:

Mike99km - 11-3-2010 at 12:10 AM

I have already said there are no secret places. Some are a little harder to find.
David please pay attention, and do not read anything into my post. I don't have issues with going somewhere any telling a some friends about it. Posting about it is here is the same as yelling.There are 10 good folk that read it and 2 A~~holes, I'm care about The @ A~~holes if you spent more time in baja maybe you would too.
(Don't pull the time thing out be both can play that game. I have 60 days in last year and grandparents that drove to the tip in 57.)
I don't care about The Sisters or any other surf or fishing spot.I can take care of myself. My issue is your posting when ever somebody asked a question you chime in. People read your stuff and sally forth without a clue thinking its current.
You love bad roads but you have this need to tell the world about how bad it was and how to get around it! That's the part I don't get.Let me figure it out, that's why I go there.

David, I not mad with or at you, I'm tired of you posing as the "Baja Guru" With out of date info. and repost.I have walked away more times than I should have about your info. today I didn't.
If you don't believe all the info about Baja hasn't had a impact go to the spur or the east cape or todos. I call B S on that.

To all else: How about one of those special places closed or full of bad or indifferent people. It will take the special right out of it.

I have no issues with campfire stories and getting hooked up about a place. I have and will continue to pass on beta about someplace to good folks.
I have big issues when David is telling the world to go someplace when 1/2 the time he has not been there in a couple years. I meet these folks and spend time helping them out.
David, I know this will not slow yourself appointed mission down.
One day you will reap what you sow.

"Never teach a pig to sing, it frustrates you and it annoys the pig." W.C. Fields

David K - 11-3-2010 at 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike99km
I have already said there are no secret places. Some are a little harder to find.
David please pay attention, and do not read anything into my post. I don't have issues with going somewhere any telling a some friends about it. Posting about it is here is the same as yelling.There are 10 good folk that read it and 2 A~~holes, I'm care about The @ A~~holes if you spent more time in baja maybe you would too.
(Don't pull the time thing out be both can play that game. I have 60 days in last year and grandparents that drove to the tip in 57.)
I don't care about The Sisters or any other surf or fishing spot.I can take care of myself. My issue is your posting when ever somebody asked a question you chime in. People read your stuff and sally forth without a clue thinking its current.
You love bad roads but you have this need to tell the world about how bad it was and how to get around it! That's the part I don't get.Let me figure it out, that's why I go there.

David, I not mad with or at you, I'm tired of you posing as the "Baja Guru" With out of date info. and repost.I have walked away more times than I should have about your info. today I didn't.
If you don't believe all the info about Baja hasn't had a impact go to the spur or the east cape or todos. I call B S on that.

To all else: How about one of those special places closed or full of bad or indifferent people. It will take the special right out of it.

I have no issues with campfire stories and getting hooked up about a place. I have and will continue to pass on beta about someplace to good folks.
I have big issues when David is telling the world to go someplace when 1/2 the time he has not been there in a couple years. I meet these folks and spend time helping them out.
David, I know this will not slow yourself appointed mission down.
One day you will reap what you sow.

"Never teach a pig to sing, it frustrates you and it annoys the pig." W.C. Fields

Mike, I do not hide the dates of my trips... It is obvious that you don't really read my posts that fully or my web sites... which all have dates of my trips. If people don't realize conditions can change from one year to the next, then they will get a surprise. Baja is full of surprises.

Another thing, even in this post you seem to think this false statement: "You love bad roads but you have this need to tell the world about how bad it was and how to get around it!" HUH??? This thread was about an unimproved desert road that is no longer on the AAA map... because a 'good road' has replaced it. I showed where that bad road is to avoid the good road! The only bad thing is the good road the Mexican government buit... same thing with Cabo, my posts on Baja Nomad clearly are anti-Cabo, yet you want to think this:

"If you don't believe all the info about Baja hasn't had a impact go to the spur or the east cape or todos. I call B S on that."

The info I post about Baja is for backcountry driving, camping, history, exploring... NOTHING to do with anything Cabo or Todos Santos offers.

I am sorry you think my sharing old and new trips with other Nomads is destroying your piece of Baja, but I can assure you it is not my doing... Things will change and you can blame whatever you want, but they still change. You need to adapt or move on, otherwise you won't ever be happy my friend.

Now, to offer an olive branch... I will remove the satellite images of the bad road and modify the thread title so as not to name a point on the Pacific that the requesting Nomad goes to that was looking for the old way in.

mtgoat666 - 11-3-2010 at 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
remember: Giving is good!

excepting STDs and directions to secret surf spots :lol:

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by mtgoat666]

David K - 11-3-2010 at 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
remember: Giving is good!

excepting STDs and directions to secret surf spots :lol:

[Edited on 11-3-2010 by mtgoat666]

Agreed, and why I would never do either! :lol:

Mike99km - 11-3-2010 at 05:19 PM

I just got home and have not read any post since last night. I will post this read the old stuff and put this away. We will not change David or his ways, He will never even try to see another side.

David. You say that I'm not a giving person. In the last 12 months I have made 3 trips to TJ taking stuff to The Sister of Mercy. I have taken plastic and staples to the Colonia south of Maneadero to help out the people living in the casa de cardboard. Lots of stuff to the orphanages in and above Ensenda. Helped with funds and food to those that needed it. The most personalty rewarding was 4 days with Habitat for Humanly helping someone have a casa.

What have you done to help anybody in Baja. With the way you post about your trips. I thought you might have given somebody something, gone out of your way to help a local.It seems incongruous that you wouldn't post about it. I could be very wrong but I don't remember anything. Please tell us what you have done to help a local?
Taken something to Coco?
Anything?
Or have sat in front of a screen and posted here, calling that help?
That's the kind of help Baja needs, let me pat you on the back!

I read the old post for this edit.This was never about surf points, you just don't get it.

[Edited on 11-4-2010 by Mike99km]

David K - 11-3-2010 at 05:50 PM

There are all kinds of giving... I am talking about giving to Nomads who come here to read and enjoy Baja trips... Give us some Baja trip reports... that kind of giving.

Dirt roads on old maps are what my post was... giving some visual aid to a Nomad who asked me to... It is just a dirt road... "we" is just who? I have been a Nomad since 2002, and you joined knowing what this forum is about... Perhaps your attitude about censorship needs changing? I removed the satellite images... but, there is no pleasing you I guess... not that I should have to.. But, I really do and try and make friends here... Keeping secrets to something that is not a secret (such as the above dirt road) is pretty rediculous, IMO.

Curt63 - 11-3-2010 at 08:11 PM

This post is insane. hard to believe people ask endless questions on this board about Gonzaga, BOLA, Tackle, fishing areas etc etc and get very generous information.

Then, they dont like some info shared about this road. Its not exactly a shortcut to the sisters and is in all likelihood so rough it was removed from the AAA map.

Someone who really loves the sisters would encourage the use of the road because it looks like it could ruin a rookie's surf trip.

I sure hope you guys paddled out today and got an attititude adjustment. I know I did. With all the Internet forecasting of this swell I caught more than my share of 6-8' pounding surf on an 85 degree Santa Ana day.

I would guess there might be people that know more about Baja than DK , but who widely shares as much as him?

I could care less about his politics and any other beliefs. His experience, knowledge, generosity, map work and meticulous attention to detail are a great asset to this board.

What does he "give" to baja? He contributes to giving travelers the confidence to travel baja and these travelers stimulate the economy.

I, for one ,appreciate his work and feels he is approaching Baja map guru status

Curt63 - 11-3-2010 at 08:49 PM

Nothing wrong with asking questions and nothing wrong with people sharing information.

Tourist zones? ... you haven't been reading my trip reports.

But, like you, I dont share everything about my "secret spots".

David K - 11-4-2010 at 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Curt63
This post is insane. hard to believe people ask endless questions on this board about Gonzaga, BOLA, Tackle, fishing areas etc etc and get very generous information.

Then, they dont like some info shared about this road. Its not exactly a shortcut to the sisters and is in all likelihood so rough it was removed from the AAA map.

Someone who really loves the sisters would encourage the use of the road because it looks like it could ruin a rookie's surf trip.

I sure hope you guys paddled out today and got an attititude adjustment. I know I did. With all the Internet forecasting of this swell I caught more than my share of 6-8' pounding surf on an 85 degree Santa Ana day.

I would guess there might be people that know more about Baja than DK , but who widely shares as much as him?

I could care less about his politics and any other beliefs. His experience, knowledge, generosity, map work and meticulous attention to detail are a great asset to this board.

What does he "give" to baja? He contributes to giving travelers the confidence to travel baja and these travelers stimulate the economy.

I, for one ,appreciate his work and feels he is approaching Baja map guru status

Wow, thank you very much Curt! That is really a kind thing to say... I appreciate it a lot!

gallesram - 11-4-2010 at 09:14 AM

Totally agree with you Curt; David has been really helpful to me, too, and I am so appreciative of his efforts. Every trip to Baja I take, I'm reminded again and again that the people down there appreciate our business; buying things in stores, eating in restaurants, etc. If David helps us with information and gives us a reason to go down there, it helps the economy, which is a welcome boost to the locals. Frankly, people who vist this board are, by definition, people who love Baja and really want to learn more about it. This year will mark 31 years for me traveling to Baja and I'm still learning about it, even more with David's help. Please keep up the good work; there are a lot of us quiet Nomads out here who really appreciate it.

woody with a view - 11-4-2010 at 02:20 PM

i guess i'm a hypocrite! i asked for info and where to spend my time and $ in a tourist area (BOLA, Gonzaga) as it's full of gringos already, over run with them, some might say.

i fear the other side becoming more like it every day. good roads=more people, good and bad. as of today i am giving up my role as "culero on a single track" not because i'm not one-i am, but because it's like trying to plug a leaky dyke :light:

.... it never ends good.

it's not that it's just not worth it....WILDCOAST has done a remarkable job protecting the area from exploitation and i'll continue to help them monetarily. we know 4 generations of locals (LUV ya Elsa!) who all share their kitchen and lives with us whenever we show up, although we show up much too infrequently, for them and us!

some folks will never concede their point of view, or take into consideration someone else's view point, no matter what. who cares right?

life goes on......

David K - 11-4-2010 at 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by gallesram
Totally agree with you Curt; David has been really helpful to me, too, and I am so appreciative of his efforts. Every trip to Baja I take, I'm reminded again and again that the people down there appreciate our business; buying things in stores, eating in restaurants, etc. If David helps us with information and gives us a reason to go down there, it helps the economy, which is a welcome boost to the locals. Frankly, people who vist this board are, by definition, people who love Baja and really want to learn more about it. This year will mark 31 years for me traveling to Baja and I'm still learning about it, even more with David's help. Please keep up the good work; there are a lot of us quiet Nomads out here who really appreciate it.

Thanks... they are just dirt roads afterall... the worse they are the better I like 'em... and then the 'best people' will be the only ones who get through! Too bad some feel there should be censorship between us on Nomad... like some secret soceity? If they don't want to share with their friends here, THAT IS FINE... But if they don't want to see a road conditions post, because it happens to go west of Hwy. 1, between El Rosario and Guerrero Negro, then don't read it if it bothers you.

The 1975 Baja 1000 used that very road I posted maps of... I bet you guys didn't use it before then, yet you liked what you saw enough to go back... But to think only you guys know about it or use it is pretty fantastic, wouldn't you agree?

Now, try and have a nice day...

racheldarlin - 11-5-2010 at 07:42 AM

WELL!! This has been an exciting thread!! I have learned at least two things:

Who to ask and who not to ask for information and;

There does not appear to be any administration of this forum to keep things civil (I hope this post will not bring a personal attack.)

BAJACAT - 11-5-2010 at 07:54 AM

BAJA. its not for a few, its for everybody to share, with all the post and info posted about the 7 sisters I have never wake up and say lets go there and destroy the place,,, not all nomads are Surfers... I agree with DAvid on this one. That secret spot was discover bye somebody else before, and how manny place we find by word of mouth...AND YES I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO FIND DK BUMPER TO BUMPER IN A SINGLE TRACK ON A REMOTE ROAD TO EL MARMOL, NOT TO BEAT HIM UP BUT TO SHARE A PACIFICO WITH HIM. PEOPLE GROW UP PLEASE,THERE ARE NO SECRET [PLACES IN BAJA, THEY ALL HAVE BEEN VISIT BY SOME ONE IN THE PAST, AND YES IM YELLING.....

David K - 11-5-2010 at 08:05 AM

Thanks amigos...

I am not trying to upset anyone, but jeepers, I didn't even mention that 'secret' place or even give a GPS or mileage to the coast! It is just an old dirt road that happens to go west from Hwy. 1 that someone wanted to use to save some miles getting to his destination.

I see the crude reply was removed (in the name of good taste), and I am sorry that helping one beach loving Nomad would bother others. You guys have to understand that it is a big place, and after 50 years in books and maps, anything I show on Nomad isn't going to suddenly open floodgates of surfers that will crowd out your surf break. It will be the good roads Mexico has built into the area you need to be upset at, not the Jeep track I showed above. Peace!

Mike99km - 11-5-2010 at 08:41 AM

My rant was spewing information never about a the sisters. I should have used a Sea of Cortez post.
I believe that you should find you own Adventure and experience the joy of discovering for yourself. Detailed directions take from from the experience. IMHO. Ask me u2u about any place and I will help if I can.
Some of use prefer to do our own heavy lifting.
I will be in the minority here and except that.
I'm Mike and I'm a butt head.

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woody with a view - 11-5-2010 at 09:17 AM

right on Mike! that makes two of us.

motoged - 11-5-2010 at 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Mike99km
I'm Mike and I'm a butt head.
[Edited on 11-5-2010 by Mike99km]

Hi Mike. Welcome. I'm a butthead too. I just had my 25 year cake last week...and am feeling strong. I am better able to manage my urges....one step at a time. Remember ....every time you point at someone, three fingers are pointing back at yourself. Thanks for sharing. :saint:

motoged - 11-5-2010 at 10:08 AM

Rachel, darling...welcome aboard; hope you enjoy the ride. This place is somewhat self-regulating....people run out of breath or interest after a period of hurling chunks of chollo at one another. Some moderators sweep up from time to time, while others are simply ground down or banished. There is a bit of a First Amendment thing happening: shoot from the lip, smoke 'em if you have 'em, and STFU....next post....

I doubt you will get flamed, but a few reprobates might ask you for a picture....darling

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Originally posted by racheldarlin
There does not appear to be any administration of this forum to keep things civil (I hope this post will not bring a personal

grappler - 11-5-2010 at 11:41 AM

I love the way David K responds as if he is some kind of victim. He knew that post would annoy some people. He must be bored and in need of some attention. Thats fine man, whatever floats your boat...

Barry A. - 11-5-2010 at 12:35 PM

I can't speak for David, but it CERTAINLY would never have occurred to me that ANYBODY would have been annoyed with somebody for trying to help with info on Baja that is NOT readily available--------after 55 years of camping in baja I am still constantly learning things from David K that I doubt I would have ever learned on my own, and that is so neat.

David K is the main reason I watch this board, so no, I don't understand why anybody would get upset with David.

Barry

Curt63 - 11-5-2010 at 12:41 PM

Welcome Grappler! I see this is your first post. Do you already know some Nomads?

woody with a view - 11-5-2010 at 01:02 PM

like i said......

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some folks will never concede their point of view, or take into consideration someone else's view point, no matter what.

no one is right all the time, even your hero. but, like i also said, who cares?

David K - 11-5-2010 at 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by grappler
I love the way David K responds as if he is some kind of victim. He knew that post would annoy some people. He must be bored and in need of some attention. Thats fine man, whatever floats your boat...

Welcome to Nomad...! :yes:

Funny way to start posting by making up things about somebody you don't know here? Maybe you are someone else who has been here and just using a new name to throw mud??? :smug:

Why would maps and satellite images of an old road annoy ANYONE...? Maybe you guys are just mad that Prop. 19 failed? Lighten up... let me do my thing on Nomad (that I have done since 2002 when this forum began)... You who don't like my helping others have joined Nomad AFTER me, then you knew the conditions here... As they say, if the water's too cold maybe you shouldn't be swimming? :lol:

mcfez - 11-5-2010 at 09:34 PM

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Only thing boring here is your stupid 39 word- post reply. You didn't impress no one here with it....

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BajaRat - 11-5-2010 at 09:38 PM

Hey....surf creeps...and all others with God-given rights to Baja California...WRONG!!! Your place in this world is not as big as this country, not as big as this peninsula or the people that occupy it. Must you be reminded again that you're probably guests...if that. Number One ~ be careful on that road, I've killed vehicles through foolish endeavors of shortcuts and fast fixes. I surf here too. Please don't run into me or my family with the attitude that you are projecting here. I'm so tired of this pseudo-ownership that so many fools seem to have in this. Every one of you is blessed to be in the presence of this land and its people. It sickens me to hear this mine, mine, mine, mine, mine attitude that is so prevalent in so many of these posts. Why don't you bring some extra garbage bags with your ass, pick up some of that chit and trash and stop flapping your gums about YOUR secret spot. Nothing here is YOURS, but the trash you pack up in a bag and take home with you. I don't even want to discuss this with my son or daughter to let them know the attitude that is so prevalent, which I have a strange feeling is the attitude you are trying to escape. Save your BS, pick up some trash, and be careful who you cross. It might be the cross you are hung by.
Thanks, Lionel

mcfez - 11-5-2010 at 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by BajaRat
Hey....surf creeps...and all others with God-given rights to Baja California...WRONG!!! Your place in this world is not as big as this country, not as big as this peninsula or the people that occupy it. Must you be reminded again that you're probably guests...if that. Number One ~ be careful on that road, I've killed vehicles through foolish endeavors of shortcuts and fast fixes. I surf here too. Please don't run into me or my family with the attitude that you are projecting here. I'm so tired of this pseudo-ownership that so many fools seem to have in this. Every one of you is blessed to be in the presence of this land and its people. It sickens me to hear this mine, mine, mine, mine, mine attitude that is so prevalent in so many of these posts. Why don't you bring some extra garbage bags with your burro, pick up some of that poop and trash and stop flapping your gums about YOUR secret spot. Nothing here is YOURS, but the trash you pack up in a bag and take home with you. I don't even want to discuss this with my son or daughter to let them know the attitude that is so prevalent, which I have a strange feeling is the attitude you are trying to escape. Save your BS, pick up some trash, and be careful who you cross. It might be the cross you are hung by.
Thanks, Lionel

Best response I've heard here BajaRat. You sound so Viking!

Once again...my favorite ad for this beach...

surf.jpg - 49kB

BajaRat - 11-5-2010 at 10:01 PM

Senor, gracias. I must say, though, that your post is the best ever!

Whether it is to my attribute or my demise, I am a Southern Californian immigrant of Danish descent. Nice work!

P.S. Surf Kooks and Southern Californian Clowns love the Hoff!!!

P.P.S. YOU are the man that my family and kids want to enjoy a beer on the beach with someday.
Thanks. Lionel

bajafam - 11-5-2010 at 10:31 PM

McFez...I am sorry, but I must steal that pic for my avatar...I laughed so hard my eyelids turned inside out. Thank you!!

Curt63 - 11-6-2010 at 07:43 AM

Looks like this post lives on...oh what the hell, lets have some fun 80's style. Listen to the lyrics

Surf Punks My Beach video

torch - 11-6-2010 at 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Curt63
Looks like this post lives on...oh what the hell, lets have some fun 80's style. Listen to the lyrics

Surf Punks My Beach video

Yea that takes me back. I like their other song with the lyrics "to big to big for her top, when are thoes things gonna pop, distracting all the surfers, forget about the tubes ......"

mcfez - 11-6-2010 at 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by bajafam
McFez...I am sorry, but I must steal that pic for my avatar...I laughed so hard my eyelids turned inside out. Thank you!!

Feel free to swipe it :-)
Need me to make it small to look better in your avatar?

TMW - 11-6-2010 at 08:41 AM

Getting back to the road in question.

I think it was used in the 1985 Baja 1000 race. Coming down the Pacific side and up the Cortez side. The markings were there in 1987 when I last rode it.

surfer jim - 11-6-2010 at 12:50 PM

This has gone from an obscure long forgotten/unused road post to an epic saga.

I still want to know how a surfer fron SAN DIMAS is worried that others may go to "his" spot in BAJA? Maybe because someone living 70 miles from the nearest beach in California wouldn't be welcome to ANY California beach. At least that is what I have heard. :saint:

I also hear there are good waves in SAN MIGUEL , might be worth looking into. :tumble:

Mike99km - 11-6-2010 at 05:20 PM

Well, Surfer Jim round trips to my spots are less then 70 miles. I do maintain spots in the line-up at 3. They are all in No. Orange Co. Go ahead and have David Google them for you. I got 4 sessions in in the last 7 days. How about you? San Miguel has some killer surf show the boys some respect can you might get one by yourself
I do not refer to myself as a surfer because my life is much richer that that.

The following quotes are all from me on this tread :

There are no secrets but the things I value the most I worked the hardest for. That includes research and fact finding and the doing.

This has nothing to do about The Sisters or anything related to surfing.

I have already said there are no secret places. Some are a little harder to find.

It has never about the surf spots it is about self reliance and discovery .

I think my last comment summed it up:

My rant was spewing information never about a the sisters. I should have used a Sea of Cortez post.
I believe that you should find you own Adventure and experience the joy of discovering for yourself. Detailed directions take from from the experience. IMHO. Ask me u2u about any place and I will help if I can.
Some of use prefer to do our own heavy lifting.
I will be in the minority here and except that.
I'm Mike and I'm a butt head.

So Surfer Jim if you want to call me out go ahead.
I hope you are up to the task. I know that take anything comes out of this toy box. :lol:

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[Edited on 11-7-2010 by Mike99km]

woody with a view - 11-6-2010 at 05:29 PM

Jim's not bad. although a surfer from the high desert calling out a surfer from san dimas??? :lol:

WHATEVER!!!!!! :lol:

Mike99km - 11-6-2010 at 09:41 PM

Yep! Just don't call me late supper!
I am a bit peeed when these fine folks will take and give nothing back. F ~~~THESE CLOWNS.
I'M MIKE AND I'M A BUTTHEAD.

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I do have Excellent Adventures

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