BajaNomad - Illegal eviction in Puertecitos

Illegal eviction in Puertecitos

David K - 11-12-2010 at 11:55 AM

Wow... and this just days after reading so many nice things about the Orozco family posted here on Baja Nomad!! :?:

capt. mike - 11-12-2010 at 12:23 PM

this is nothing new for mexico.

if you want guaranteed rights stay in USA as a citizen. Mexico is 3rd world and is not going to change.

shari - 11-12-2010 at 12:46 PM

what do you mean by "other owners"? do 2 parties own it? Were they a mexican family who got evicted?

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 01:10 PM

Wow...

So I see you are one of the owners of the Cowpatty....which is nearby, and you probable get all of the daily scoop as I used to when I owned a bar. How did you get this story? A friend? Word of mouth?

I find this story a little off. "No credentials were presented". Was it the local town cops involved?

Conflicting statement:
*The were never given an opportunity to appear in court.
*Puertecitos is in the Ensenada Municipal and these leases are in litigation with that jurisdiction.

Sorry....I'll reserve judgment on this. I find it to be a one sided story.

Cypress - 11-12-2010 at 01:24 PM

Gave buying in Mexico a lot of thought, a lot. Looked at plenty of places etc. There was always a little something that didn't seem quite right. Plus, I couldn't afford any of 'em at the time. :lol:

mscowpatty - 11-12-2010 at 02:21 PM

No judgement expected...just an open dialogue to make everyone aware that these things can and do happen.

I have been "Cowpatty" for over 30 years. I helped Richard start the bar but he owns and runs it......It's a namesake...this is not idle bar talk

Please note, local police were involved. The "judge", and two others did not present any identification or proof of who they were. Of course the police uniforms were self explanatory.

I am the source of the story, I was there.

These are Americans with current Rentistas. Yes there is another Mexican owner of the land.

The lease in litigation has been ongoing in Ensenada and pending. This eviction was processed thru the Mexicali municipal which does not have jurisdiction in Puertecitos. More than one way to skin a cat so they say.

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[Edited on 11-12-2010 by mscowpatty]

[Edited on 11-12-2010 by mscowpatty]

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 03:21 PM

So Mexicali authorities jumped on Ensenada's turf ?

Mmmmm.
My dog(s) will pee everywhere here on this farm...to mark their turf. No other dog will stray into this area.....otherwise....all hell breaks loose over turf. My dogs win every time.

The dogs from Ensenada should be peeed. Have you contacted them

mscowpatty - 11-12-2010 at 03:42 PM

Yes, documented, photographed and sent to all the appropriate places. I just think we should keep the dialogue open and discuss what's going on around us.
Even though this is a "third world" country, I believe Mexico is trying to do better. If no one says or does anything it will never change. Just like paying the officer rather than going to the police station...

David K - 11-12-2010 at 04:02 PM

Thank you Patty!

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by mscowpatty
Yes, documented, photographed and sent to all the appropriate places. I just think we should keep the dialogue open and discuss what's going on around us.
Even though this is a "third world" country, I believe Mexico is trying to do better. If no one says or does anything it will never change. Just like paying the officer rather than going to the police station...

Well good luck to you Ms CowPatty. Go bite em!
Hey...what hours and days are you opened, DavidK looks like he's dying of thirst.?

David K - 11-12-2010 at 04:26 PM

Yah... cold Pacifico, Tecate or XX please!

Patty used to do a regular Puertecitos news update page over on Fred Metcalf's board... but not for a few years... Perhaps we can convince her too post regular Puertecitos news here on Baja Nomad??? :cool:

http://math.ucr.edu/ftm/bajaPages/Correspondents/Puertecitos...

[Edited on 11-12-2010 by David K]

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Yah... cold Pacifico, Tecate or XX please!

Patty used to do a regular Puertecitos news update page over on Fred Metcalf's board... but not for a few years... Perhaps we can convince her too post regular Puertecitos news here on Baja Nomad??? :cool:

http://math.ucr.edu/ftm/bajaPages/Correspondents/Puertecitos...

[Edited on 11-12-2010 by David K]

Yes...very good idea. I use that area a lot...so good, fresh updates be great.

Nothing illegal !!!!!!!!!!!!

beercan - 11-12-2010 at 07:51 PM

Renters were served in accordance with Mexican Law , and court appearances were made by any one concerned. The people in question have not accepted the legal landowners new lease and have refused to pay any increase in rents. They were served about 3-4 years ago, along with approximately 8-9 other renters who are the leaders of "the homeowners association.".
This situation has been going on for many years (over 6) and is creating many hardships for the remaining property renters.
As I understand it, the non payor was removed in accordance with a court order.

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beercan
Renters were served in accordance with Mexican Law , and court appearances were made by any one concerned. The people in question have not accepted the legal landowners new lease and have refused to pay any increase in rents. They were served about 3-4 years ago, along with approximately 8-9 other renters who are the leaders of "the homeowners association.".
This situation has been going on for many years (over 6) and is creating many hardships for the remaining property renters.
As I understand it, the non payor was removed in accordance with a court order.

Well..hate to say this....but that's what I was told when I was there "8-9 other renters who are the leaders of "the homeowners association." Thanks beercan for the info

beercan - 11-12-2010 at 10:41 PM

I attended the original lease negotiations and the original lease was OFFERED TO ALL tenants-- the association basically told the property owners to "shove it". Approximately 2/3's of the tenants chose to accept the new lease.

What does your greed have to do with it ?

mscowpatty - 11-12-2010 at 10:44 PM

Also, just to expound....rents were paid to the courts in Ensenada and everyone who did so has receipts from the court.....btw, all of you who know me know how much I have to gain from this....lol

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by mscowpatty]

mscowpatty - 11-12-2010 at 10:48 PM

You are funny beer can

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by mscowpatty]

KAT54 - 11-13-2010 at 06:31 AM

Renters are being evicted in Puertecitos?
They had the rent increased by the owner?
They formed an association of renters?
They told the owner to shove the rent increase?
They did not pay the rent to the owner?
They payed the court?
Does the court own the land?
Do the renters have special rights not to pay correct rent?
The owner does not want to rent to them any longer?
MsCowpatty is upset?
Her clients at the bar are leaving?
No more booze money?
Does not anyone see what is wrong with this picture?

Thank you patty--

beercan - 11-13-2010 at 07:15 AM

I am happy that you consider the truth "funny".

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by patty
You are funny beer can [Edited on 11-13-2010 by mscowpatty]

capt. mike - 11-13-2010 at 07:32 AM

i'll go with beercan on this one. he's down there and knows his caca.
hahaha.
Kat, you are back?
you ask many derift Qs?
no one answers?

hhahahahahah.

David K - 11-13-2010 at 07:49 AM

Where do you think Cowpatty is?

mscowpatty - 11-13-2010 at 07:56 AM

Sorry Kat.....the bar is not mine, nor losing customers or booze money. I have been Cowpatty for many years before Richard built his bar.

I am not upset.....I just want everyone to be aware that these things can and do happen here. In this case it was never about the rent increase. And there are two sides to this story with valid issues on each side.

Even in Mexico their are processes in place to settle these types of disputes. Unfortunately, just as in the USA, these processes aren't always followed according to the law. There are many other facets of this situation that the court is reviewing.

No beer can I don't think the truth is funny. I found it funny that you thought I might have something to gain or lose from any of this. Marvin's place is certainly not a thing of value or beauty and the view of fish camp is certainly nothing to aspire to. I have an opinion that is different than yours. It is not about being mad.

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by mscowpatty]

mscowpatty - 11-13-2010 at 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Where do you think Cowpatty is?

Mscowpatty is (and has been for many years) in Baja.

Cowpatty bar is located at km 72 on the San Felipe Puertecitos road. Richard's Cowpatty bar is alive and prospering. Nothing to do with Puertecitos drama...just a nice place to hang out. I am not an owner. I retired from all that stuff in the states and here a long time ago.

Redux !!

beercan - 11-13-2010 at 12:26 PM

Patty,

Perhaps you should reread my posts--nowhere did I either mention your gain or loss, or attack you personally.

The failure of the association members to pay a proper and fair amount of rents has created bad feelings and divided neighbor against neighbor. It has also diminished the values of all our properties and has caused the property owners to delay or not complete needed improvements.

Mucho money $$$$$$ has been wasted on lawyer fees and court costs that could have been used to improve Puertecitos !!! It is unfortunate for all us "Mericans that the collective wisdom & knowledge of the associations "leaders" could fit in a thimble. American property laws do not apply here in Mexico.
When I first bought a "house" here in Puertecitos in 1981 along with partners George and Mike, we all agreed not in invest more in Baja then we could afford to walk away from.
I have almost moved beyond that point and all three of us have substantial investments in both time and $$$$$$$$.

As I stated, I have been involved in this lease process and have learned much about the Mexican property laws and its court system. I am also no dummy when it comes to property in the USA. I have owned, bought and sold many millions of property and have been involved in several condo/ property owners associations.

The lease I have and the rents that I pay are FAIR & PROPER !

If you and the others are so unhappy , why don't you all leave and start you own camp ???? Marvins place must not be too bad or else you wouldn't be here ?

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by patty
No beer can I don't think the truth is funny. I found it funny that you thought I might have something to gain or lose from any of this. Marvin's place is certainly not a thing of value or beauty and the view of fish camp is certainly nothing to aspire to. I have an opinion that is different than yours. It is not about being mad.

Woooosh - 11-13-2010 at 02:04 PM

seems part of the problem is the Mexican legal process taking six years which is one gov't changeover too many for an honest decision to be made. As long as political appointees run the paperwork jobs for the municipalities, it will always be a problem.

Hey Beercan- I quote you often on the "never invest more in Baja than you can afford to walk away from". Too bad everything invested here can't be measured in dollars or cents.

Cypress - 11-13-2010 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh As long as political appointees run the paperwork jobs for the municipalities, it will always be a problem.

True! Anywhere in world.

mscowpatty - 11-13-2010 at 02:48 PM

Hey guys! enough......just wanted to keep everyone informed of what is going on. Can't solve anything on a blog. Opinions are opinions and that's what communication is good for. Safe journeys to all....

Woooosh - 11-13-2010 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by mscowpatty
Hey guys! enough......just wanted to keep everyone informed of what is going on. Can't solve anything on a blog. Opinions are opinions and that's what communication is good for. Safe journeys to all....

That was one of the more graceful in and outs for a newbie I have seen.

LancairDriver - 11-13-2010 at 05:22 PM

mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out gracefully? :?:

Hmmm...maybe that could be called class. :light:

David K - 11-13-2010 at 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver
mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out gracefully? :?:

Hmmm...maybe that could be called class. :light:

Yah.. this is serious business... real people are involved and it's not someone accused of making turtle soup (which can go into thousands of replies here)!

Nomads know how to beat a dead horse until nothing is left but a hoof!

ANYWAY, thank you Cowpatti for the story and thank you Beercan for the other side of the story.

More good stuff from Puertecitos please! :light:

And what's wrong with turtle soup?

mcfez - 11-13-2010 at 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by LancairDriver
mscowpatty doesn't seem to understand that you have to hang in there to get the last word on this board. Sometimes takes weeks. Bowing out gracefully? :?:

Hmmm...maybe that could be called class. :light:

Kidding....

Setting aside the landlord issues...which most vacationers really dont give a rats ass about.....

Puertecitos is a good place now for camping...great boat launch..."pit" stop for gas/drink.....and a beer at the Cow Patty which isn't opened on Mondays.

mscowpatty - 11-13-2010 at 07:54 PM

Love you guys! Keep on coming down and if you'll have me on the board I will start posting the fun stuff. Those who know me from all these years know how much I love Baja and all the good times! After all, that's what the "Cowpatty" was started for......Richard says come on down for the races and enjoy!!!! Maybe it's time to work on Cowpatty II!!!!! Viva Baja!

Woooosh - 11-13-2010 at 09:28 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/13/ex-exec-says-...

more on the LNG plant debacle near Ensenada... all it took was a $8000 bribe.

woody with a view - 11-13-2010 at 09:41 PM

what would Harry say......??????? :fire:

[Edited on 11-14-2010 by woody with a view]

energysign_m.jpg - 5kB

BajaRob - 11-14-2010 at 07:14 AM

I have had the pleasure of meeting Patty last season and she is the real deal. If she says it, it is so.

Hmmm...maybe that could be called class?

beercan - 11-14-2010 at 10:04 AM

Hardly, after she comes on and posts a bunch of lies, misstatements, and distortions, she wants to take her marbles and go play at Cowpatty---only when she discovers that someone is willing to challedge her and print the TRUTH does she start---- Oh gosh,come on and have a beer--I just wanted opinions .

She's one of the Sheeple or minnions that the "leaders" are leading along to help pay their lawyer, who is doing a great Mexican bleeding !

mscowpatty - 11-14-2010 at 10:22 AM

LOL, so glad it's not personal Bob.

Tuna - 11-14-2010 at 10:42 AM

I first came to Pueretecitos when I was 9 years old in 1959. In instantly fell in love with it and came back many times. My father ("Charlie") spent many years there and slowly improved the house until it is as it stands now, a three bedroom stone house on the beach on the north side of the bay.

He has gone to his greater fishing ground now, but I "own" the house and "lease" the property from the Orozco family.

When they asked for a new lease I had it translated and read through it. I was concerned about a few things in it so I asked for a rewrite of the lease and the Orozco family gave me one that fit my needs and dealt with my concerns. I found them to be easy to negotiate with and I gladly signed the lease.

I now make sure to pay my fee every January.

I live in Vermont so I do not get to come down as often as I like, but I do get to spend 5-6 weeks in May-June each year, which I hope will be expanding soon. When I retire I will spend a good 4-6 months a year there.

My main concerns are security and abandoned properties. About five years ago my place was broken in to but since then thing have been pretty secure. The abandoned properties look nasty and give the place a favella look. I wish these could be torn down and replaced by NOTHING, but they will probably be replaced (in many cases) with new buildings. That would be fine as well.

I just wanted to tell my story. I signed the lease and it worked out fine.

Tuna
AKA Alfred Snider

mcfez - 11-14-2010 at 10:53 AM

Tuna..
"The place is getting cleanup:Slowly...but is..

"My main concerns are security and abandoned properties.": in works.

Thanks for the post here....it just confirms that the place is on the up and up. Too many bad stories about this port, yet hardly true at most.

[Edited on 11-14-2010 by mcfez]

David K - 11-14-2010 at 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuna
I first came to Pueretecitos when I was 9 years old in 1959. In instantly fell in love with it and came back many times. My father ("Charlie") spent many years there and slowly improved the house until it is as it stands now, a three bedroom stone house on the beach on the north side of the bay.

He has gone to his greater fishing ground now, but I "own" the house and "lease" the property from the Orozco family.

When they asked for a new lease I had it translated and read through it. I was concerned about a few things in it so I asked for a rewrite of the lease and the Orozco family gave me one that fit my needs and dealt with my concerns. I found them to be easy to negotiate with and I gladly signed the lease.

I now make sure to pay my fee every January.

I live in Vermont so I do not get to come down as often as I like, but I do get to spend 5-6 weeks in May-June each year, which I hope will be expanding soon. When I retire I will spend a good 4-6 months a year there.

My main concerns are security and abandoned properties. About five years ago my place was broken in to but since then thing have been pretty secure. The abandoned properties look nasty and give the place a favella look. I wish these could be torn down and replaced by NOTHING, but they will probably be replaced (in many cases) with new buildings. That would be fine as well.

I just wanted to tell my story. I signed the lease and it worked out fine.

Tuna
AKA Alfred Snider

Welcome to Baja Nomad, Tuna! Wow, you have seen Puertecitos from nearly the beginning (1957 per Lower California Guidebook '58 edition).

Here's a look at Puertecitos in 1960:

(photo from Erle Stanley Gardner's 1961 'Hovering Over Baja')

wessongroup - 11-14-2010 at 02:45 PM

Thanks, I like happy endings ...

Thank you , your dad would be proud

mscowpatty - 11-14-2010 at 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mcfez
Tuna..
"The place is getting cleanup:Slowly...but is..

"My main concerns are security and abandoned properties.": in works.

Thanks for the post here....it just confirms that the place is on the up and up. Too many bad stories about this port, yet hardly true at most.

[Edited on 11-14-2010 by mcfez]

Charlie and I were very good friends here. He understood that problems existed with Clara. Obviously this is not a forum to express both sides without predjudice. Sorry if bad stories aren't acceptable. No matter what the legal instances are it is not acceptable to respond by throwing a 30 year residen'ts belongings in the dirt to settle a $7000 debt.

mcfez - 11-15-2010 at 07:52 AM

posted on 11-12-2010 at 06:50 PM: BY YOU

They were never given an opportunity to appear in court. This can happen to any American in Baja....This couple purchased their home 30 years ago....always paid the rent.

posted on 11-15-2010 at 06:19 AM: BY YOU

No matter what the legal instances are it is not acceptable to respond by throwing a 30 year resident's belongings in the dirt to settle a $7000 debt.

Well mscowpatty.....since you want to drag me Da into this: I got several emails from your friends ....telling me what a great Gal you are...and ask that I lay back on this one. I tried till you made this personal.

Fact is ...you lied. Plain ol' lied to all of us here at BN, including to your friends. I took two excerpts from posted on 11-12-2010 at 06:50 and posted on 11-15-2010 at 06:19 AM.

You stated that the evicted "always paid the rent".....using a dramatic story telling scheme. Full of holes dear. I even said that on 11-12-2010 at 08:10 PM. ...."story a little off". Thanks for confirming what I really knew........."to settle a $7000 debt".

*to settle: means you knew there was legal action
*debt: means you knew money was owed

The rent down there is somewhere around 2500 per year. The tenant owed for 3 years?! Didnt pay a dime. No good well payments?

The rest of your responses (mostly to beercan) is full of lies. I talked to several tenants there, talked to Clara too, several weeks ago. They said exactly what beercan has said.

This post so far....has 2500 views.
You just did more damage to Puertecitos reputation that Clara and her family! That means damage to Cowpatty because who would to go there and listen to your lies about Puertecitos and Gods know what else. You can see now...where I come from..we show respect to all by never lying, no matter what the case. If you dont have respect, then what do you have? Zero.

You need to "lady up" and apologized here to all. Clear the air.

[Edited on 11-15-2010 by mcfez]

Lobsterman - 11-15-2010 at 08:48 AM

Horns,

Who died and made you God? Your points are well taken except your tone of voice and demands. Get a life.

My telling the truth makes it personal ???

beercan - 11-15-2010 at 08:52 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm????

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by patty
LOL, so glad it's not personal Bob.

mscowpatty - 11-15-2010 at 11:09 AM

Ok, here goes, I have responded to each of your issues with my posts......

Quote:

Originally posted by mcfez
posted on 11-12-2010 at 06:50 PM: BY YOU

They were never given an opportunity to appear in court. This can happen to any American in Baja....This couple purchased their home 30 years ago....always paid the rent.

...... This is true. They never received any court documents. The rents were paid to the Ensenada courts and there is pending judgement on the lease that was to be negoiated.

.........Why is this considered a "lie" that I should apologize for?

posted on 11-15-2010 at 06:19 AM: BY YOU

No matter what the legal instances are it is not acceptable to respond by throwing a 30 year resident's belongings in the dirt to settle a $7000 debt.

................This what the landlord claims is due for back rent. Again, there is pending litigation in Ensenada. The property owners offered to pay the money up front and wait for the Ensenada court judgement.

.................Why is this considered a lie I should apologize for?

Well mscowpatty.....since you want to drag me Da into this: I got several emails from your friends ....telling me what a great Gal you are...and ask that I lay back on this one. I tried till you made this personal.

.............Well, Deno, why is stating what I know are facts bringing you in to this or making it personal? I thought this was a forum????

Fact is ...you lied. Plain ol' lied to all of us here at BN, including to your friends. I took two excerpts from posted on 11-12-2010 at 06:50 and posted on 11-15-2010 at 06:19 AM.

.....Let's look at what you call "lies"

You stated that the evicted "always paid the rent".....using a dramatic story telling scheme. Full of holes dear. I even said that on 11-12-2010 at 08:10 PM. ...."story a little off". Thanks for confirming what I really knew........."to settle a $7000 debt".

......................Their are receipts for all the rents paid since the "negotiation" of contract went to the Ensenada courts. The $7000 "debt" is part of the case that has not been decided in Ensenada.

...................Why does this make me a "liar"? I have signed documentation and copies of receipts from the court to this effect? What is your basis for the name calling?

*to settle: means you knew there was legal action
*debt: means you knew money was owed

.........This is not about me. I am sharing what happened to a tenant, who bought and payed for their home years ago. They pursued the land lease contract through the court system and the decision is still pending. They offered to put the money up for the "alleged debt" as claimed by the landlord and cited in their personal lawsuit against them until a Judge can make a ruling in the case.

.................What part of this makes me a liar and a need to apologize? What are you basing your name calling judgement of me on?

The rent down there is somewhere around 2500 per year. The tenant owed for 3 years?! Didnt pay a dime. No good well payments?

..........Not true. Again, Ensenada has given them receipts for the rent payments since the lease contract went to the court system.

..............................Why does stating this fact make me a liar?
The court documents are available for anyone to see.

The rest of your responses (mostly to beercan) is full of lies. I talked to several tenants there, talked to Clara too, several weeks ago. They said exactly what beercan has said.

Full of lies? Several tenants...do they have the actual info and court documents stating what the facts are? What about the other tenants who have a pending judgement about the lease contract....did you talk to them?

This post so far....has 2500 views.
You just did more damage to Puertecitos reputation that Clara and her family! That means damage to Cowpatty because who would to go there and listen to your lies about Puertecitos and Gods know what else. You can see now...where I come from..we show respect to all by never lying, no matter what the case. If you dont have respect, then what do you have? Zero.

..............Why are we invoking God's name in this? I see no respect being shown to the Mexican legal system or between human beings. Unfortunately it has become starkly clear that personal interests are involved here.

.........Why do you keep deflecting to Cowpatty bar? I don't own it, it puts no money in my pocket. Please don't worry about Cowpatty, it is serving a lot of beer. Beer drinkers dont "give a rat's burro" about this stuff.

.........I have just shared what I have seen, documents I have read from the court and receipts that have been issued by the court. Why does this make me a liar and responsible for Puertecitos' bad reputation? Have you spoken to the Mexican community?

You need to "lady up" and apologized here to all. Clear the air.

.........Really? Are you reliving your high school days? I am sorry the air is not clear in your world. I have no reason to apologize for sharing information about what is going on in this camp. As I stated everything I have written happened, documentation is on file. Photos are on file.

........I haven't called anyone names, accused them of being anything or used inflammatory language. Rose colored glasses can't change the facts.

[Edited on 11-15-2010 by mcfez]

mcfez - 11-15-2010 at 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lobsterman
Horns,

Who died and made you God? Your points are well taken except your tone of voice and demands. Get a life.

Claws.....follow your own advice. How you read the lines with "personalities" injected is flawed. Perhaps the comics be better suited for you.

mcfez - 11-15-2010 at 11:50 AM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Quote:

Originally posted by mscowpatty
Ok, here goes, I have responded to each of your issues with my posts......

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bbbait - 11-15-2010 at 03:41 PM

Plenty of bs drama here... we're going down to our camp at Bahia Cristina to fish, drink and watch the race.. taking Richard some more Cow Patty t-shirts for him to sell. Going to hang out there and drink some of his cold ones..

capt. mike - 11-15-2010 at 04:54 PM

good one wayno. wish i was with you.

rv6mike - 11-16-2010 at 09:34 PM

I have been lurking on this site for quite some time, it is time to speak. I have known Cowpatty for about 20 years and she is the real thing and so is Beercan. My first flight to Baja was in 1979 and i stopped going in 2003. For burros like Mcfez they should keep their mouths shut unless they can come up with there own facts and not what they interpet on this board. I feel better now. Flame on!

Mike

bbbait - 11-16-2010 at 11:13 PM

No flame here... I concur...

capt. mike - 11-17-2010 at 05:08 AM

hey RV6 mike - nice to have another piloto here.
why have you stopped going? where do you base?

i'd like to see a bunch of nomad pilots do a fly in some time maybe to PSFO alfi's or where ever.
maybe we can crash Beercan's shack?? bad pun.... :light:

Fly In

rv6mike - 11-17-2010 at 08:16 AM

Capt. Mike,

Years ago I had a customer( Ken Bondy) who went to PSF all the time and introduced me to Baja. Most of my trips where to PSF or Puerticitos. We bought a motorhome in 2004 and made it all the way to Cabo and starting using it more than the other RV. I am based at Hawthorne and just fly in the States now. With all the action in Mexico the wife is iffy on going down again. Really do miss the place.

capt. mike - 11-17-2010 at 09:00 AM

can't blame you there. a lot of guys have quit with all the eAPIS dhs nonsense.
takes the ease and fun out of it.
but it beats taking comm'l liners anywhere....scanners, groping,...TSA is out of control!!

on second thought...i will start heightened security measures on my flights.
all females are to be vigorously groped prior to boarding. Those that like it are welcome to go thru the line again. :spingrin:

rv6mike - 11-17-2010 at 09:46 AM

I like your style Mike, if things start looking up I will be the first one down. Laughlin would be a good choice for a gathering for those of us that no longer go down.My 6 is only a two seater but i also fly a RV-10 if more seats are needed.

Ken Bondy - 11-17-2010 at 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by rv6mike
Capt. Mike,

Years ago I had a customer( Ken Bondy) who went to PSF all the time and introduced me to Baja. Most of my trips where to PSF or Puerticitos. We bought a motorhome in 2004 and made it all the way to Cabo and starting using it more than the other RV. I am based at Hawthorne and just fly in the States now. With all the action in Mexico the wife is iffy on going down again. Really do miss the place.

Hi Mike!!! Great to see you here on Nomads!! How have you been? Do you know that Jim Bailey passed away a few years ago? Saludos, ++Ken++

rv6mike - 11-17-2010 at 10:52 AM

Hello Ken.
Things are going good, yes I saw the report about Jim a great guy.
I am still flying but using the motorhome more & more. The wife is retiring in Feb. and we are going to do a 2 month trip around the west. Thanks again about the cement for my patio, We used a colored cement and had it stamped. I did a bit more than you said with the rebar and feel sorry for anybody that decides to remove it.

Mike

mcfez - 11-17-2010 at 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by rv6mike
I have been lurking on this site for quite some time, it is time to speak. I have known Cowpatty for about 20 years and she is the real thing and so is Beercan. My first flight to Baja was in 1979 and i stopped going in 2003. For burros like Mcfez they should keep their mouths shut unless they can come up with there own facts and not what they interpet on this board. I feel better now. Flame on!

Mike

Well Mike....I aint going to start the immature game of name calling . I am sure that you are a swell guy. I am too.

".....and not what they interpet on this board"
Wrong. Read my postings again. My facts came straight from the owner of the camp and tenants of that camp, not from information of others posting on this website. I was there a month ago. My statements were backed up by following postings of others (beercan and a few others).

There were obvious conflicting statements made (in her own words) from Patti Krall .

[Edited on 11-17-2010 by mcfez]

capt. mike - 11-17-2010 at 02:53 PM

Krall? any relation to Diane - i love her music!

mscowpatty - 11-17-2010 at 04:09 PM

:light:

torch - 11-17-2010 at 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
what would Harry say......??????? :fire:

[Edited on 11-14-2010 by woody with a view]

did you ever surf there? I never even knew

really??

capt. mike - 11-18-2010 at 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by mscowpatty
:light:

how cool. she is an oregon native i believe.

mscowpatty - 11-18-2010 at 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike

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Originally posted by mscowpatty
:light:

how cool. she is an oregon native i believe.

not a relative, I also really enjoy her.....

Diana Krall

Reinventwen - 11-18-2010 at 01:18 PM

how cool. she is an oregon native i believe. [/quote]

She's Canadian, born in British Columbian on the Island. She did some living and schooling in California and New York. She performs alot in Toronto so we like to call her ours, but we can't...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Edited on 11-18-2010 by Reinventwen]

KAT54 - 11-18-2010 at 02:23 PM

Cowpatty saws on her website she assists "Cowpatty's Bar"
Here she says she has nothing to do with "Cowpattys Bar"
What is the truth?
Is mscowpatty a LIAR?

mcfez - 11-18-2010 at 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by KAT54
Cowpatty saws on her website she assists "Cowpatty's Bar"
Here she says she has nothing to do with "Cowpattys Bar"
What is the truth?
Is mscowpatty a LIAR?

What website?

rv6mike - 11-18-2010 at 04:44 PM

The Burros just keep coming out of the woodwork

Lobsterman - 11-18-2010 at 04:49 PM

Horns you do not seem capable of doing much other than running your bossy mouth so here's her website for you. It took me about 10 seconds to find it.

http://www.cowpatty.net/

CortezBlue - 11-18-2010 at 05:24 PM

To try and change this up a bit, I would recomend that you change the color scheme of the web page. The red letters on the blue back ground about blinded me.

Other than that I will stop by for a beer the next time I am down that way

krafty - 11-18-2010 at 06:32 PM

And Mike-who does one hire to stamp concrete? All of our floors in our casa are glazed concrete-how hard would it be to change the color?
This thread needed stealing-again

BajaRat - 11-18-2010 at 06:40 PM

I don't like to hear Baja California refered to as a"third world country".
If your concerned with having a defined long term lease have one of the many notarios assist you with the documents and the hand shake won't be all your left with.
Lionel

rv6mike - 11-18-2010 at 06:53 PM

Krafty,
The coloring is done when still in the truck, after it is poured they do the usual skreeting. After it has dried for about 1 hour they use rubber patterns made from the real thing. Depending on what you want , as in our case they put on a darker shade of color and then laid the mould on and used a stamper to creat the pattern. With two colors it gave it a patena look. People that see it ask how may weekends it took to lay all those rocks. The actual stamping on mine took 45 minutes for a 20x40 patio. This process can not be done with a finished floor.
.
Mike

[Edited on 11-19-2010 by rv6mike]

Anger is what you feel when you don't get what you think you deserve.

mcfez - 11-18-2010 at 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
Horns you do not seem capable of doing much other than running your bossy mouth so here's her website for you. It took me about 10 seconds to find it.

http://www.cowpatty.net/

Derogatory name-calling often occurs when someone has an emotional argument to make with little or no supporting logical argument. This is you Lobsterman .

The emotional mind can often have a "mind of it's own" or "emotional intelligence" which operates independently of the factual, logical mind. When there is no logical argument to back up what the emotional mind is telling us, emotional outbursts such as name-calling often result.

You deal with your family this way too? Call your wife names. The kids?

You need to troll me much harder to get me all excited. After all...this place is just a forum. Dont get so emotional Lobsterman .

[Edited on 11-19-2010 by mcfez]

rv6mike - 11-18-2010 at 07:04 PM

mcfez,
If you re- read the last post about your mouth you will see it was not me. It might be time for a time out or leave the bottle alone.. Good Luck
Mike

[Edited on 11-19-2010 by rv6mike]

mcfez - 11-18-2010 at 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rv6mike
mcfez,
If you re- read the last post about your mouth you will see it was not me. It might be time for a time out or leave the bottle alone.. Good Luck
Mike

[Edited on 11-19-2010 by rv6mike]

I stand corrected . An complete apology to you.

rv6mike - 11-18-2010 at 07:49 PM

No apology needed, as I stated in one of my posts if things get better I will be the first down. Purtecitos is my favorite place and maybe we can have lunch with cowpatty & Clara some day, But the beer is cooooldest at Cowpatty's
Mike

mcfez - 11-19-2010 at 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by rv6mike
No apology needed, as I stated in one of my posts if things get better I will be the first down. Purtecitos is my favorite place and maybe we can have lunch with cowpatty & Clara some day, But the beer is cooooldest at Cowpatty's
Mike

the beer maybe cooooldest......but how's the hot dogs?

See you there someday Mike.....If I arrive first and you dont see me around....look for a dirt mound out in the back :lol:

Home in Yuma for the family --

beercan - 11-24-2010 at 03:48 PM

Dug out my Old Puertecitos file and reread all three leases. Starting with the original lease from Raphael in the '80's , then the "new lease" from 1992, and the "new new " lease from 2004.

If I can read it, the "others" should be able to read too.b]All three leases read the same in the last paragraph. Any and all disputes will be settled in Mexicali Court !

David K - 11-24-2010 at 03:53 PM

Thanks Beercan...

One question: How come in Mexicali when Puertecitos is in Ensenada County (Municipality)?

Guessing ? on my part

beercan - 11-24-2010 at 07:54 PM

The Orozcos have family in Mexicali and it is closer and more convenient for the them . This started before my time and apparently carried forward with each lease.

If (and they probably did) the association members signed the "old leases" , they agreed to that clause. As I have found, the Mexican legal system is very different than ours here in the USA.
If there had been a problem, why would the Ensenada Cops enforce a Mexicali court order if it wasn't valid ???

I'm still learning .

bajalou - 11-24-2010 at 08:25 PM

Not uncommon in the USA for large corporations to require settlement/courts/arbitration in the city/state of their incorporation - not the area where you might be. Have to read the find print.

CaboRon - 11-25-2010 at 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by BajaRat
I don't like to hear Baja California refered to as a"third world country".

You just can't handle the truth. :spingrin: