BajaNomad - Mexico purchases 5 C-295 for transport of special forces troops

Mexico purchases 5 C-295 for transport of special forces troops

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 02:41 PM

So that they can be transported anywhere in Mexico to deal with organized crime:

Russ - 11-12-2010 at 03:22 PM

Very cool transport. Here's what I found:

"Airbus Military has delivered its first of five C-295 tactical transports to the Mexican air force and confirmed the receipt of a follow-on order for the type from Finland.

Mexico's first air force example was accepted in late May, and Airbus Military says a second will follow within weeks.

The remaining three are all scheduled for customer acceptance before the end of 2010, it adds."
Edit: Here some Mexican Air Force history;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Air_Force

[Edited on 11-12-2010 by Russ]

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BillP - 11-12-2010 at 03:30 PM

Hate to say it, but I wonder how long it will take before one of the cartels uses a shoulder fired rocket to take one out.

Cyanide41 - 11-12-2010 at 03:39 PM

They need a SAM. RPG's don't reach.

Bajahowodd - 11-12-2010 at 03:42 PM

Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??

US aid to Mexico is frankly embarrasing, 300 million in "equipment" mostly during all of these years, while Mexico spends almost 10 billion a year only in the federal police. Add the military, state and local programs, navy, PGR, and intelligence spending to fight the drug cartels, and you can understand my initial remarks.

I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment.

Russ - 11-12-2010 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??

Yes, These are built in Spain.
Jesse, are you sure only $300M? We give more to terrorist countries. That's shameful!

BajaBruno - 11-12-2010 at 04:28 PM

BillP and Cyanide41, using SAM's may not be so far fetched. Last year the US arrested a Syrian arms trafficker in Honduras who was trying to sell SAM's, assault rifles, and hand grenades in exchange for cocaine. The trafficker "allegedly told the agents that the arms were stored in Mexico by a relative who was a member of Hezbollah."

See: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/13/world/fg-colombia-mi...

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment.

Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant.

Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday.

BajaBruno - 11-12-2010 at 04:44 PM

Russ, I would be surprised if it were even $300M. Mexico has not been high on the US Christmas list. Pentagon's counter-narcotics funding for Mexico is reported to be $34 million in 2010, and Mexico didn't even make the top 16 countries list for US Foreign Aid. Columbia, on the other hand, received over $800M, Pakistan $1.6B, and Palestine $100M.

Mexico is clearly a low priority.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-12-2010 at 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??

What's this "we" crap Jesse? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I see that you are only pro-USA when it benefits your taqueria or whatever it is you sling out there. The United States gives way more than $300 million to Mexico every year. Get your facts straight. You seem to harbor anti-American feelings and I call on every patriot to avoid your place like the plague.

Russ - 11-12-2010 at 04:46 PM

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02...

"...attitudes are changing amid strong support from Washington for President Felipe Calderón's war against the cartels, including a $1.4 billion aid package. The Obama administration views spiking drug violence in Mexico as a direct threat to U.S. security and has taken unprecedented steps toward on-the-ground cooperation with Mexican authorities. It is seeking an additional $310 million for drug enforcement aid for Mexico in its 2011 budget."
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Jesse did mention it was $300M in equipment. That could be anything from farm to restaurant equipment. If I was a Mexican and believed that the whole US aid package was $300M I'd be upset too. And I believe he meant only the equipment in their restaurant. I also suppose that much of it is/was made in China. Wonder what the China aid package looks like. :?:

[Edited on 11-12-2010 by Russ]

Bajahowodd - 11-12-2010 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment.

Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant.

Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday.

Hmmm. Here's the thing. My comment was made in the spirit that one would just assume that when we "donate" hundreds of millions of dollars, we might just assume that we would be number one on the wish list.

That said, while I think Jesse may wish to rethink his over the top comment, (and I've dined at his restaurant several times and found him to be quite a welcoming host), I can understand Mexican frustration with the US, especially in the realm of having strings attached. The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us. Put it another way, the US has always maintained an attitude that reeks with hubris about being number one. Think for a moment how our next door neighbors might feel about that.

No value judgments here. It is what it is.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-12-2010 at 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02...

"...attitudes are changing amid strong support from Washington for President Felipe Calderón's war against the cartels, including a $1.4 billion aid package. The Obama administration views spiking drug violence in Mexico as a direct threat to U.S. security and has taken unprecedented steps toward on-the-ground cooperation with Mexican authorities. It is seeking an additional $310 million for drug enforcement aid for Mexico in its 2011 budget."

Thanks for setting the mental midget straight, Russ.

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us.

Culture of pride? What a bunch of baloney. It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.
It's always been that way. Blame the US so the people won't blame the ones who gave them their problems....their own government.
Screw that.

DavidE - 11-12-2010 at 05:04 PM

The USA is helping Mexico in ways that are unseen. When an ejercito or marina action takes place now, all cell phone towers in the area are blacked out using USA equipment. The DEA, ATF, NSA, FBI and CIA are helping now and this is why all the top figures in organized crime are getting popped lately. US intelligence is fingering top cartel members.

The most "sophisticated" organized crime group is La Familia, my neighbors. They see the handwriting on the wall and just day before yesterday they publically sued the Mexican government for peace. They claim that if the Mexican government can protect the people of Michoacan from crooked police, corrupt local government and other gangs, that they would disband and disarm.

The people that should be embarrassed are US citizens who keep sending billions of dollars to Mexico to subsidize organized crime.

Jesse, if you want someone to pour your aggression out on, do it toward the people who are PURCHASING THE DESTRUCTION OF MEXICO. They could care less if you and fellow 120,000,000 Mexicans die. All they want is cheap drugs. They will smoke it, snort it, or shoot it, no matter how much innocent Mexican blood it has on it AS LONG AS IT IS CHEAP.

Russ - 11-12-2010 at 05:07 PM

Dennis
"Culture of pride? What a bunch of baloney. It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.
It's always been that way. Blame the US so the people won't blame the ones who gave them their problems....their own government.
Screw that."
That is so true! But which of our "friends" are you talking about?
Since when has it paid to be a nice guy? Politically speaking of course.
It is so frustrating that I feel if the Mexican drug cartels declared war on the US we'd send them an aid package. OOPS! I think they have and we are.

Bajahowodd - 11-12-2010 at 05:20 PM

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The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us.

Actually, my friend, there are countless instances around the globe that exemplify our meddling. Maybe on some level, I'm an isolationist. Perhaps. Just seems to me that most of the wars we fought since WWII have been more about creating wealth for defense contractors than having any righteous connection to our well being at home. We done good in WWII. No one in their right mind would argue that.

We have an unusual and unique relationship with Mexico. That results in the good, the bad and the ugly. Mexican labor has fueled our economy, and allowed prices to stay low. In the Southwest US, especially, there is a palpable Mexican cultural presence. Not to mention that especially in Northern Mexico, there is a palpable US cultural presence. I guess that's a reason why I have so much trouble with the current state of affairs regarding the idea of sealing the border. Face it, people such as yourself, and they number in the tens, if not hundreds of thousands, chose to live in Mexico for reasons such as lower cost of living. Is there an organized movement to oust the ex-pats? I just have to believe that what we've been witnessing the past few years is more about a visceral reaction to a bad economy, combined with the seemingly inexorable depletion of the American middle class.

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
But which of our "friends" are you talking about?

?????????????
I have no idea who our friends might be.
All I know now is that our biggest enemy is our own Constitution and Bill Of Rights. We have to quit giving people the right to ruin our country and our lives. We have to take back what's left of the GOOD United States and grow on that.
Everything just keeps getting worse and will continue to do so without radical changes.
The USA has a disease and it has to be cured or it will kill us all.

Sorry Man

Bajahowodd - 11-12-2010 at 05:34 PM

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But which of our "friends" are you talking about?

Written from Mexico. :?:

Not sure if you are still doing Sharkeys or if you have found a suitable replacement, but you and I need to have a play date soon.

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Actually, my friend, there are countless instances around the globe that exemplify our meddling.

How did we get on this?
OK....what you say must be true and we don't have to do a lot of globe-trotting to see it. Just go back up to Jesse's post where he bemoans the paltry amount of our meddling.
Ya see, Howard? Nuthing we do is right. Don't you get sick of hearing it all the time? Is cultivating a trade partner worth having your face shoved in the toilet?

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Written from Mexico. :?:

I don't understand what you mean by that.

BillP - 11-12-2010 at 06:14 PM

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BillP and Cyanide41, using SAM's may not be so far fetched. Last year the US arrested a Syrian arms trafficker in Honduras who was trying to sell SAM's, assault rifles, and hand grenades in exchange for cocaine. The trafficker "allegedly told the agents that the arms were stored in Mexico by a relative who was a member of Hezbollah."

See: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/13/world/fg-colombia-mi...

I would be more surprised if one of the cartels DIDN'T have some shoulder fired SAM's.

flyfishinPam - 11-12-2010 at 07:10 PM

here's a good source to ID Mexican Sec of Defense planes

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerza_A%C3%A9rea_Mexicana

fishinsteve - 11-12-2010 at 08:06 PM

And I won't spend a dime in your restaurant.

bajaguy - 11-12-2010 at 08:12 PM

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Nah, think you are wrong.....all of those weapons come from the US

motoged - 11-12-2010 at 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant. Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday.

My, my, my

That should clean out some bile :barf:

I thought burning crosses was an American (USA) tradition, not a Mexican one.

Didn't notice the "I hate Americans" bit in Jesse's post :?:

as much as I pick up on your "hate"...why so sensitive/ reactionary?

The USA is hurting economically because their greedy corporations have outsourced their manufacturing and other operations...can't really get angry with Jesse for that.

Are all airplanes used by USA airlines made in the USA?

Read the labels in your clothes....where are they made....should someone burn a cross in front of your double-wide because you don't but "American'?

I am quite surprised by the outburst attack on Jesse....something pi$$ing you guys off....I doubt it is Jesse.

Take a moment....check it out.

:cool:

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by motoged]

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 08:29 PM

So let me see, i can't defend my own goverment on an issue that is correct because i now "hate" the US??

Absolut rubish!!

My facts are right, my figures are right, and i don't see why its hateful to think, that if the US goverment, dos not contribute to this drug on wars in a serious and responsible way, perhaps we don't need to spend our money on buying US made weapons.

Seems logical and something that anybody in any nations of the world would do.

Bajaboy - 11-12-2010 at 08:34 PM

Yep Jesse, maybe we should give more money to the Mexican government so the corrupt politicians can dine out more often.

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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Originally posted by JESSE

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??

Lets see:

nation A spends 20 billion on war on drugs

nation B spends 300 million on war on drugs

Who in their right mind would believe that nation A has to purchase weapons from this war from nation B?

There is nothing hateful about my observation, its called logic.

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Yep Jesse, maybe we should give more money to the Mexican government so the corrupt politicians can dine out more often.

Try sticking to the facts concerning this issue, highschool level insults won't cut it here.

Bajaboy - 11-12-2010 at 08:47 PM

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Yep Jesse, maybe we should give more money to the Mexican government so the corrupt politicians can dine out more often.

Try sticking to the facts concerning this issue, highschool level insults won't cut it here.

motoged - 11-12-2010 at 08:51 PM

Maybe the corrupt USA gun lobby politicians should choke on their dirty meals...

Mexican corruption is pretty much like USA corruption (I make the distinction between "USA" and "American", as the word does NOT refer only to USA as an adjective).

Bajaboy - 11-12-2010 at 08:53 PM

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Yep Jesse, maybe we should give more money to the Mexican government so the corrupt politicians can dine out more often.

Try sticking to the facts concerning this issue, highschool level insults won't cut it here.

"We're looking at what more needs to be done, absolutely," said Alonzo Pena, deputy director at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "But they have to address the corruption issue."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/04/world/la-fg-us-mexic...

mtgoat666 - 11-12-2010 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by JESSE
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment.

Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant.

Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday.

dennis:
haven't i told you to not post on the internet when you are drunk?

mcfez - 11-12-2010 at 09:06 PM

Called my wife to cancel our tickets to the Comedy Club tonight...We'll read this post all night for entertainment

The U.S. government is considering substantially increasing funding for Mexico’s drug war beyond the $1.4-billion Merida Initiative, Paul Richter reports from our Washington bureau. Citing an unnamed source in the White House, Richter reports that the Obama administration sees its joint anti-drug effort with Mexico as a top priority.

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by mcfez]

drarroyo - 11-12-2010 at 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by fishinsteve
And I won't spend a dime in your restaurant.

Please stay north of the border. It's countrymen like you that give the rest of us such a bad name.

fishinsteve - 11-12-2010 at 09:34 PM

It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.

Dennis is right on with this comment drinking or not

mtgoat666 - 11-12-2010 at 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by fishinsteve
It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.

well, the drug consumers are gringos. seems that the blame is rightly placed on gringos. if gringos were not consuming so much dope, the problem would not exist.

Howard - 11-12-2010 at 09:43 PM

I would call you a bunch of hateful knuckleheads but my great dog of 13 years was named Knucklehead and it would give him a bad name.

To all you haters, lets get back on track, the C-295s.

I bought a work out gym for my house and it just sits collecting dust. My intentions were good and it looks good in the corner but unless it’s used properly, it is worthless for what it was intended to be for.

Lets hear about the C-295 in action to do what they were purchased for before we commend the government for buying them.

It just might be eye candy or it might be used for a good purpose and only time will tell.

Anyone taking bets out there on if it will help turn the tide against the drug problem?

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

nation A spends 20 billion on war on drugs

nation B spends 300 million on war on drugs

Slight correction:

Nation A [Mexico] spends 20 billion on war on drugs

Nation B [USA] spends 300 million on Nation A's war on drugs

Quit fighting the gawdam war. Let your country go to the cartels. Your war isn't about drugs....it's about control. It's about who sits in your Pink House. It's about who the next dictator will be. It's about which scumball your kids will grow up idolizing.

Someone earlier mentioned "Mexican Pride." What a joke. Mexico's most notible accomplishment to date has been to host the growth of the most insidious development of crime known to man.
Now....there's something to be proud of.

JESSE - 11-12-2010 at 09:55 PM

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nation A spends 20 billion on war on drugs

nation B spends 300 million on war on drugs

You forgot to take your medications again.

DENNIS - 11-12-2010 at 10:11 PM

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You forgot to take your medications again.

No. No drinking or forgotten meds. Your lame response only tells me you agree, but are too proud [oh lord...there's that word again] to admit it.
And....your comment which started all of this wasn't just a result of your critical analysis. It was a button you shouldn't have pushed.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-12-2010 at 10:22 PM

'I am glad we ain't spending a dime on U.S. equipment" was your statement, Jesse. Your hatred of the U.S.A. is evident but I realize that this is par-for-the-course in Mexico. Come clean Jesse. I've lived in Mexico and one thing that became very clear early on is the fact that Mexicans hate Americans. Maybe it's the fact that we (yes, I am of Mexican ancestry but I am American first) are a rich country and are able to travel abroad as tourists and the majority of Mexicans cannot. That is not my fault. Maybe if your countrymen had had the cojones to overthrow the ruling party during 70 years of corruption and oppression Mexico would be able to enjoy it's riches. Your sentiments about the United States are exactly what I encountered every day in my 6 years of living in Mexico. If you travel to Los Angeles you see more Mexican flags that American flags. When I moved to Baja I put up my American flag and I think it lasted a week before someone came and tore it down. My second flag lasted only about a day and it was ripped to shreds.

Mr. Jesse, you hate and resent Americans but you love the almighty dollar.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-12-2010 at 10:31 PM

....and Mexico does not need these planes. They have enough C-130's.

What they should do is turn them into Spectre Gunships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6i3Pdm0jP4

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by sanquintinsince73]

mtgoat666 - 11-13-2010 at 12:31 AM

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'I've lived in Mexico and one thing that became very clear early on is the fact that Mexicans hate Americans.

seems to me that too many gringos hate mexicans. what is it about you self-centered gringos that take offense at anyone that criticizes the US? why are you so thin skinned? why are your so sure that you are right?

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 12:46 AM

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'I've lived in Mexico and one thing that became very clear early on is the fact that Mexicans hate Americans.

Although myself and my parents were born in the states I now have felt the hatred that you talk about. Ignorant people put all of us brown-skinned people in the same group. But it is the fault of your illegal aliens waving their flags and burning mine while marching on our streets demanding citizenship. When my grandparents came to this nation in the mid-20's they assimilated and became proud Americans. They weren't running around waving their former flag demanding their "rights". These people nowadays yell "viva Mexico", wave the flag of the country that betrayed them, and demand their "rights". I just don't get it and quite frankly, I am ashamed of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrh9zcv3IDY

mtgoat666 - 11-13-2010 at 12:51 AM

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'I've lived in Mexico and one thing that became very clear early on is the fact that Mexicans hate Americans.

there you go again

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 01:04 AM

MTgoat: I am assuming that you are a national. So let me ask you this: What the hell happened? Mexicans were once a proud people who kicked a little a $$ on the Spaniards and the French. They were proud and fierce warriors who fought long and hard for independence. Now all you hear is their war cry of "we demand our rights". Can you imagine the place Mexico would be if those same people had protested over there instead of here? It is unfortunate that the government helps perpetuate some of this American hatred so that you people won't realize that the real problem is your own government.

Whatever happened to "Si se puede"? That is just another example of how the government manipulates the "Titeres", but I suppose that I am the only one who see's it; you obviously don't or don't want to.

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by sanquintinsince73]

JESSE - 11-13-2010 at 03:35 AM

Damn, some people have very, very thin skin.

flyfishinPam - 11-13-2010 at 09:50 AM

can a peace loving logical realist chime in?

Jesse. wow read that statement and I have to say that I certainly understand the anger that some posters are conveying against the attitude and that I agree with it. but its ok to disagree and I would never hold your business against your opinions. everyone has their right to their opinion its cool.

what i take issue with is the attitude that Mexico demands anything. dont you know you recieve what you ask for or demand and expect? where do you think the big money going from USA to foreign countries? its going to war torn areas or some kind of defense and armament. Do you as a Mexican want that here? Think about it.

I am an expat US citizen born in USA but now a Mexican. Mexican children, extended family my roots are here I go to USA less than twice a decade. I do not want war to come into my land and I do not want to have to escape with my children across the border while we leave my husband and his family behind. Please look at this reality I hope it never happens. But if we as a nation keep making demands of money or gifts from another then we will have to take on the responsibility of the adhering to the strings that are attached to them.

If we get out of this pattern of being victims and blaming so as to avoid responsibility. we can rise up and take care of ourselves as a nation because we have every single thing that it takes to do so right here. Educate yourself, become independent and self sufficient and you will refuse to become a dependent. Dependence equals misery because its slavery.

peace!

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 10:07 AM

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can a peace loving logical realist chime in?

Jesse. wow read that statement and I have to say that I certainly understand the anger that some posters are conveying against the attitude and that I agree with it. but its ok to disagree and I would never hold your business against your opinions. everyone has their right to their opinion its cool.

what i take issue with is the attitude that Mexico demands anything. dont you know you recieve what you ask for or demand and expect? where do you think the big money going from USA to foreign countries? its going to war torn areas or some kind of defense and armament. Do you as a Mexican want that here? Think about it.

I am an expat US citizen born in USA but now a Mexican. Mexican children, extended family my roots are here I go to USA less than twice a decade. I do not want war to come into my land and I do not want to have to escape with my children across the border while we leave my husband and his family behind. Please look at this reality I hope it never happens. But if we as a nation keep making demands of money or gifts from another then we will have to take on the responsibility of the adhering to the strings that are attached to them.

If we get out of this pattern of being victims and blaming so as to avoid responsibility. we can rise up and take care of ourselves as a nation because we have every single thing that it takes to do so right here. Educate yourself, become independent and self sufficient and you will refuse to become a dependent. Dependence equals misery because its slavery.

peace!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

JESSE - 11-13-2010 at 10:12 AM

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Maybe its a cultural issue, but i frankly can't understand what all the fuzz is about. Did i lied? did i said something that isn't true? i mean, this is binational problem right? supply here and demand there. Why is is it soo bad to say that the US is not spending enough? when it isn't?

I just don't get it. I am constantly reading truly nasty UNTRUE anti-mexico things here and i don't complain, but i state a fact, and i have an attitude problem?

:?:

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 10:28 AM

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I just don't get it. I am constantly reading truly nasty UNTRUE anti-mexico things here and i don't complain, but i state a fact, and i have an attitude problem?

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Your statement was belligerent and inflamatory and to make matters worse, you follow up with patented Mexican denial and blame shifting.

You can't deny what you said or how you said it. You're left with only damage control. You should attend to that instead of trying to rewrite history.

Bajaboy - 11-13-2010 at 10:40 AM

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Jesse, the US pays far more than $300 million on the demand problem. You throw around figures without giving a source. I do not agree with your "facts" and see them merely as your opinion.

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 10:56 AM

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Jesse, the US pays far more than $300 million on the demand problem. You throw around figures without giving a source. I do not agree with your "facts" and see them merely as your opinion.

He believes what he reads in the newspapers. You know....the newspapers that say it's all our fault.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 10:57 AM

Jesse & MTgoat:

I hope you two clowns have learned something; keep your hatred of America and it's people to yourselves. I have alot of pride in my country and I would die for my flag just as many, many others already have. When you spew your hatred of the United States not only do you offend me, but I look at it as an attack on those who sacrificed their lives to make this country what it is today.

Just as the Palestinians are taught from a very early age to hate Israeli's, the people of Mexico learn from a very early age that America is a bad place and that we hate Mexico. So many times I've asked people who are here illegally if they love the U.S.A. and the majority of the time the response is: "F*** the U.S., I'm just here for the money".

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 11:00 AM

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He believes what he reads in the newspapers. You know....the newspapers that say it's all our fault.

Yeah, you should hear the anti-American rhetoric on canal 12 out of TJ and these are news people who are suppose to be impartial.

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 11:01 AM

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the response is: "F*** the U.S., I'm just here for the money".

You do have to admire an honest man. Give him a Green Card for honesty. :biggrin:

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
these are news people who are suppose to be impartial.

They are...to the government line. It's nothing new. I think the US made that technique famous.
The best part of a Mexican newscast is the cleavage.

sanquintinsince73 - 11-13-2010 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
these are news people who are suppose to be impartial.

They are...to the government line. It's nothing new. I think the US made that technique famous.
The best part of a Mexican newscast is the cleavage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkxEZUSsk8

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkxEZUSsk8

My Gawwwwd....isn't that wonderful?

toneart - 11-13-2010 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
these are news people who are suppose to be impartial.

They are...to the government line. It's nothing new. I think the US made that technique famous.
The best part of a Mexican newscast is the cleavage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkxEZUSsk8

Whoa! In reference to the link: If you are anywhere below the weathergirl's chest you are definitely in the shade.

I like the slo mo too...More time in the shade without the threat of sunburn. :biggrin:

I am NOT "impartial" :!:

Bling

bajaguy - 11-13-2010 at 11:40 AM

She needs to lose the Belly Button bling......

k-rico - 11-13-2010 at 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
these are news people who are suppose to be impartial.

They are...to the government line. It's nothing new. I think the US made that technique famous.
The best part of a Mexican newscast is the cleavage.

Thank you DENNIS for steering this thread to matters of importance and interest that transcend borders. :tumble:

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by k-rico
Thank you DENNIS for steering this thread to matters of importance and interest that transcend borders. :tumble:

You're welcome. Service to my fellow man is my Raison d'être. :saint:

Russ - 11-13-2010 at 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
You're welcome. Service to my fellow man is my Raison d'être. :saint:

Oh, Pleeeeeze :lol:

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by Russ]

In defense...

Dave - 11-13-2010 at 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by DavidEJesse, if you want someone to pour your aggression out on, do it toward the people who are PURCHASING THE DESTRUCTION OF MEXICO. They could care less if you and fellow 120,000,000 Mexicans die. All they want is cheap drugs. They will smoke it, snort it, or shoot it, no matter how much innocent Mexican blood it has on it AS LONG AS IT IS CHEAP.

Though I doubt it would make a difference, "Hecho en Mexico" labels aren't usually included with purchase. Besides, everyone appreciates a bargain. :rolleyes:

OTOH...

Mexicans who own and operate the cartels know exactly how their actions are destroying their country.

DENNIS - 11-13-2010 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
Oh, Pleeeeeze :lol:

Not buyin' that, eh. Oh well............I'll try something else. :light:

TonyC - 11-13-2010 at 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us.

YOU GO DENNIS.

flyfishinPam - 11-13-2010 at 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

Maybe its a cultural issue, but i frankly can't understand what all the fuzz is about. Did i lied? did i said something that isn't true? i mean, this is binational problem right? supply here and demand there. Why is is it soo bad to say that the US is not spending enough? when it isn't?

I just don't get it. I am constantly reading truly nasty UNTRUE anti-mexico things here and i don't complain, but i state a fact, and i have an attitude problem?

:?:

I don't think I wrote anything anti Mexican here unless you're referring to here as this bbs. I have an optimistic outlook but I can't do it alone just about everyone has to do it. simply put we need to be aware of how we are being governed and have a say. not be bought off freedom is priceless.

we'll have to agree to disagree on the drug war who's to blame and who isnt. yes consumers are to blame but when an entire country appears to be a willing participant in moving the product to market then they must also pay a price. I am not in agreement with this personally but its history repeating itself.

basically you can't have it both ways...certain things out and certain things in there is no control at the border to prevent these things. Mexico has a problem with guns from the US but the $$'s are not being complained about. tourists must submit to police state road blocks (ratanes) going North but 're just waved in with a big smile coming in. explain the logic in that.

Mexico should make "drugs" legal, tax and control them. Then at least we the regular people would benefit. But just the opposite is happening. A few benefit and more benefit and live in fear but vast numbers are victims of a lessening economy due to this unnecessary fear.

If drugs were legal in Mexico your restaurant would be full every night. Cool thing is that so would all the others and you'd be having a great time. and guess where the violence would go to?

google- chicago prohibition area

if I am correct also look up Tijuana during the prohibition years. you'll find that was the golden era. look what we have now!

i say that the US keep the money and we make our own laws here.

flyfishinPam - 11-13-2010 at 01:46 PM

I posted the wikipedia list because I found it last year.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerza_A%C3%A9rea_Mexicana

i didn't even read jesse's post just looked at the planes.

One morning I saw three of the small swiss planes flying in formation a few times over town. They did this several times one morning and again in the afternoon. The following day I was sitting here looking at the islands and I heard a noise so I went outside to check. it was a c-130 flying low approaching from the north it looked enormous! i knew it was a big transport plane from airshows and air force museums I've been to so after watching it land I looked it up online and found that link. fuerza aerea mexicana (can't spell) was painted really huge on the side it was cool as hell to see.

the planes came in ahead of hurricane jimena and immediately went to work along with some fast helocopters. no doubt trucks of troops were transported to mulege ahead of it. there's no stopping a Mexican military humanitarian operation it is so impressive. they stood in front of the bank that was on a generator, put emergency power on the tortilliera, water purification plants, and the hospital. new orleans don't happen here. this is something to be proud of. chasing around cartels with death tolls mounting each year in a losing battle is not.

for what I can remember we've had several major natural disasters in the past year. the earthquake in Mexicali, the floods in tabasco and veracruz, landslides, sink holes, torrential rains throughout the country (except bcs). the military comes in and helps alleviate much death and suffering during and immediately after emergencies.

sorry this conversation went into the toilet but check out the planes on wikipedia photos and details are in a table its cool.

i'll be happy to debate the drugs and guns issue but that's another topic

Cypress - 11-13-2010 at 01:47 PM

Weather or not? Weather!! And yes, if Mexico legalized "drugs"they could TAX 'em and be rolling in CASH. Tourism would go off the scale. That would be the smart thing to do. The drug cartels are paying BIG money to see that it doesn't happen.

flyfishinPam - 11-13-2010 at 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Weather or not? Weather!! And yes, if Mexico legalized "drugs"they could TAX 'em and be rolling in CASH. Tourism would go off the scale. That would be the smart thing to do. The drug cartels are paying BIG money to see that it doesn't happen.

Las Californias

like the name? its the name of my new imaginary country. california alta cedes from the USA and the two states of the peninsula also cede from its bloodsucking nanny government and we merge into one country. GREEN industry will be our main source of income and we truly will have GREEN jobs and a GREEN economy. don't just think about the psucotropic qualities of the GREEN stuff also think about the other products of hemp...hasta petrolio en serio we could fuel our c-130's and our cappuccino machines. "drugs" would be another enhancement of the economy and will be legal and controled. only consenting adults will be allowed to buy them and they will be taxed accordingly. shall we start designing the flag?

Woooosh - 11-13-2010 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvkxEZUSsk8

My Gawwwwd....isn't that wonderful?

1.7 million YouTube hits? Can we see the Sports they show after that Weather forecast?

[Edited on 11-13-2010 by Woooosh]

Cypress - 11-13-2010 at 02:16 PM

The flag? Yea! $$$ on a field of blue!

burnrope - 11-14-2010 at 09:35 AM

Those C-295's look like they'll hold alot of drugs.

Ya Think?

sanquintinsince73 - 11-15-2010 at 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by burnrope
Those C-295's look like they'll hold alot of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40194116/ns/world_news-americas/...

[Edited on 11-15-2010 by sanquintinsince73]