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Mexico purchases 5 C-295 for transport of special forces troops
So that they can be transported anywhere in Mexico to deal with organized crime:
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Russ
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Very cool transport. Here's what I found:
"Airbus Military has delivered its first of five C-295 tactical transports to the Mexican air force and confirmed the receipt of a follow-on order for
the type from Finland.
Mexico's first air force example was accepted in late May, and Airbus Military says a second will follow within weeks.
The remaining three are all scheduled for customer acceptance before the end of 2010, it adds."
Edit: Here some Mexican Air Force history;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Air_Force
[Edited on 11-12-2010 by Russ]
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Hate to say it, but I wonder how long it will take before one of the cartels uses a shoulder fired rocket to take one out.
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They need a SAM. RPG's don't reach.
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Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??
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US aid to Mexico is frankly embarrasing, 300 million in "equipment" mostly during all of these years, while Mexico spends almost 10 billion a year
only in the federal police. Add the military, state and local programs, navy, PGR, and intelligence spending to fight the drug cartels, and you can
understand my initial remarks.
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment.
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Russ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??
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US aid to Mexico is frankly embarrasing, 300 million in "equipment" mostly during all of these years, while Mexico spends almost 10 billion a year
only in the federal police. Add the military, state and local programs, navy, PGR, and intelligence spending to fight the drug cartels, and you can
understand my initial remarks.
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment. |
Yes, These are built in Spain.
Jesse, are you sure only $300M? We give more to terrorist countries. That's shameful!
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BillP and Cyanide41, using SAM's may not be so far fetched. Last year the US arrested a Syrian arms trafficker in Honduras who was trying to sell
SAM's, assault rifles, and hand grenades in exchange for cocaine. The trafficker "allegedly told the agents that the arms were stored in Mexico by a
relative who was a member of Hezbollah."
See: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/13/world/fg-colombia-mi...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment. |
Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant.
Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday.
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Russ, I would be surprised if it were even $300M. Mexico has not been high on the US Christmas list. Pentagon's counter-narcotics funding for Mexico
is reported to be $34 million in 2010, and Mexico didn't even make the top 16 countries list for US Foreign Aid. Columbia, on the other hand,
received over $800M, Pakistan $1.6B, and Palestine $100M.
Mexico is clearly a low priority.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Let me get this right. We are providing millions of dollars to support Mexico's drug war, and they spend the money in Europe??
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US aid to Mexico is frankly embarrasing, 300 million in "equipment" mostly during all of these years, while Mexico spends almost 10 billion a year
only in the federal police. Add the military, state and local programs, navy, PGR, and intelligence spending to fight the drug cartels, and you can
understand my initial remarks.
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment. |
What's this "we" crap Jesse? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I see that you are only pro-USA when it benefits your taqueria or whatever it is you
sling out there. The United States gives way more than $300 million to Mexico every year. Get your facts straight. You seem to harbor anti-American
feelings and I call on every patriot to avoid your place like the plague.
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Russ
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Quote from -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02...
"...attitudes are changing amid strong support from Washington for President Felipe Calderón's war against the cartels, including a $1.4 billion aid
package. The Obama administration views spiking drug violence in Mexico as a direct threat to U.S. security and has taken unprecedented steps toward
on-the-ground cooperation with Mexican authorities. It is seeking an additional $310 million for drug enforcement aid for Mexico in its 2011 budget."
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Jesse did mention it was $300M in equipment. That could be anything from farm to restaurant equipment. If I was a Mexican and believed that the whole
US aid package was $300M I'd be upset too. And I believe he meant only the equipment in their restaurant. I also suppose that much of it is/was made
in China. Wonder what the China aid package looks like. 
[Edited on 11-12-2010 by Russ]
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I am glad we ain't spending a dime buying US made equipment. |
Great attitude, brother. How about a burning cross to illuminate the entrance to your gringo-hating restaurant.
Sure glad you didn't voice your punk opinion yesterday. |
Hmmm. Here's the thing. My comment was made in the spirit that one would just assume that when we "donate" hundreds of millions of dollars, we might
just assume that we would be number one on the wish list.
That said, while I think Jesse may wish to rethink his over the top comment, (and I've dined at his restaurant several times and found him to be quite
a welcoming host), I can understand Mexican frustration with the US, especially in the realm of having strings attached. The Mexican culture of pride
has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us. Put it another way, the US has always maintained an attitude that reeks with hubris
about being number one. Think for a moment how our next door neighbors might feel about that.
No value judgments here. It is what it is.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
Quote from -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02...
"...attitudes are changing amid strong support from Washington for President Felipe Calderón's war against the cartels, including a $1.4 billion aid
package. The Obama administration views spiking drug violence in Mexico as a direct threat to U.S. security and has taken unprecedented steps toward
on-the-ground cooperation with Mexican authorities. It is seeking an additional $310 million for drug enforcement aid for Mexico in its 2011 budget."
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Thanks for setting the mental midget straight, Russ.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us. |
Culture of pride? What a bunch of baloney. It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.
It's always been that way. Blame the US so the people won't blame the ones who gave them their problems....their own government.
Screw that.
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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The USA is helping Mexico in ways that are unseen. When an ejercito or marina action takes place now, all cell phone towers in the area are blacked
out using USA equipment. The DEA, ATF, NSA, FBI and CIA are helping now and this is why all the top figures in organized crime are getting popped
lately. US intelligence is fingering top cartel members.
The most "sophisticated" organized crime group is La Familia, my neighbors. They see the handwriting on the wall and just day before yesterday they
publically sued the Mexican government for peace. They claim that if the Mexican government can protect the people of Michoacan from crooked police,
corrupt local government and other gangs, that they would disband and disarm.
The people that should be embarrassed are US citizens who keep sending billions of dollars to Mexico to subsidize organized crime.
Jesse, if you want someone to pour your aggression out on, do it toward the people who are PURCHASING THE DESTRUCTION OF MEXICO. They could care less
if you and fellow 120,000,000 Mexicans die. All they want is cheap drugs. They will smoke it, snort it, or shoot it, no matter how much innocent
Mexican blood it has on it AS LONG AS IT IS CHEAP.
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Dennis
"Culture of pride? What a bunch of baloney. It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.
It's always been that way. Blame the US so the people won't blame the ones who gave them their problems....their own government.
Screw that."
That is so true! But which of our "friends" are you talking about?
Since when has it paid to be a nice guy? Politically speaking of course.
It is so frustrating that I feel if the Mexican drug cartels declared war on the US we'd send them an aid package. OOPS! I think they have and we are.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The Mexican culture of pride has always been, in some way, a point of difference between us. |
Culture of pride? What a bunch of baloney. It's a culture of victimization. They won't take responsibility for anything they can blame on us.
It's always been that way. Blame the US so the people won't blame the ones who gave them their problems....their own government.
Screw that. |
Actually, my friend, there are countless instances around the globe that exemplify our meddling. Maybe on some level, I'm an isolationist. Perhaps.
Just seems to me that most of the wars we fought since WWII have been more about creating wealth for defense contractors than having any righteous
connection to our well being at home. We done good in WWII. No one in their right mind would argue that.
We have an unusual and unique relationship with Mexico. That results in the good, the bad and the ugly. Mexican labor has fueled our economy, and
allowed prices to stay low. In the Southwest US, especially, there is a palpable Mexican cultural presence. Not to mention that especially in Northern
Mexico, there is a palpable US cultural presence. I guess that's a reason why I have so much trouble with the current state of affairs regarding the
idea of sealing the border. Face it, people such as yourself, and they number in the tens, if not hundreds of thousands, chose to live in Mexico for
reasons such as lower cost of living. Is there an organized movement to oust the ex-pats? I just have to believe that what we've been witnessing the
past few years is more about a visceral reaction to a bad economy, combined with the seemingly inexorable depletion of the American middle class.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
But which of our "friends" are you talking about?
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I have no idea who our friends might be.
All I know now is that our biggest enemy is our own Constitution and Bill Of Rights. We have to quit giving people the right to ruin our country and
our lives. We have to take back what's left of the GOOD United States and grow on that.
Everything just keeps getting worse and will continue to do so without radical changes.
The USA has a disease and it has to be cured or it will kill us all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
But which of our "friends" are you talking about?
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I have no idea who our friends might be.
All I know now is that our biggest enemy is our own Constitution and Bill Of Rights. We have to quit giving people the right to ruin our country and
our lives. We have to take back what's left of the GOOD United States and grow on that.
Everything just keeps getting worse and will continue to do so without radical changes.
The USA has a disease and it has to be cured or it will kill us all. |
Written from Mexico.
Not sure if you are still doing Sharkeys or if you have found a suitable replacement, but you and I need to have a play date soon.
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