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Need someone to build a casita

halcyondays - 11-26-2010 at 06:37 PM

I have asked before but hoped for some better answers.

We want to have a 20ft by 20ft cement garage/studio built.

Near Todos Santos---Pescadero area.

The foundation needs to be able to support a second floor as we will eventually build on top of it.

So we want it 20 ft by 20ft
Single car garage on one side.
10ft wide by 20 feet long.
8 foot secure barn door on the end.

A wall separating the building into two.
one side garage---the other side living with one door between the two.
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On the other
10ft x 20ft side of the building.

One bedroom with two windows.
One bathroom with one small window, sink and a basic shower.

Small kitchenette along one wall....sink and area for a refrigerator and a small stove/oven.

One door coming in and out.

Very simple and all concrete with acid splash or some basic coloring.

We can do our own tile.



And we would like a sink outside with a counter for cleaning fish.

A very basic casita.
All power water and sewer is already at the lot with RV hookups in place.

Hoping for some basic quotes of what you think this would cost.
Or if you are a builder what you think you could do it for.

Last bids were way too high as this is very basic and I can even help in the building process.
I am very able.



Thanks!



[Edited on 11-27-2010 by halcyondays]

halcyondays - 11-26-2010 at 07:28 PM

Here is an example of the living area we want.
And just add on a single car garage.
Maybe a wall and door to bedroom.

living area 200 sq ft.
Garage 200 sq ft.

[Edited on 11-27-2010 by halcyondays]

casita_idea_minus_one_car_garage.JPG - 50kB

dtbushpilot - 11-26-2010 at 08:17 PM

Come on Nomads, somebody help hal with the picture......dt

How to post a photo

bajaguy - 11-26-2010 at 08:41 PM

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?fid=1&tid=485...

tripledigitken - 11-26-2010 at 08:48 PM

halcyondays,

Send me a picture/pictures by U2U and I will post it for you.


Ken

(at the bottom of this post is a blue rectangle with a U2U label, just hit it and it will take you to a message post, just copy pic and send away)

[Edited on 11-27-2010 by tripledigitken]

halcyondays - 11-26-2010 at 08:50 PM

Thanks Ken!
Got it handled.

Hope that helps people understand.

We don't want to buy a trailer and build a palapa if we can make a tiny little first floor for just a little more.

And being able to build up in 4 or 5 years is a good goal too!

Thanks!

toneart - 11-26-2010 at 09:09 PM

Perhaps you are asking we gringos who cannot work in Mexico. A Mexican "contractor" will have to build it for you. You will have to get a building permit and hold Social Security for the workers. You are the real contractor. You really need to be there during the construction too.

I am assuming you have a Fideicomiso for the land and a FM3 or FM2.

Some here may argue these points, but if you don't comply legally, you stand to lose everything...and be deported too.

halcyondays - 11-26-2010 at 09:28 PM

Hoping some Mexican builders may examine this forum too.
As for having a contractor build---I have to pay into his social security and get the permits?
I was under the impression that a builder will get the permits---with my help.
And I was not aware I would have to pay his soc. Security?

We are in the process of getting FM3's and will not build until we have them.
Just starting the research early.

I know it's complicated.
But someone must have been through this and built a very small casita without enormous problems.

A few problems are always expected in Baja---I know-----but hoping to weed out the big ones.

And hoping to get a better price quote than I have been getting.
This should not cost $30,000 usd???




[Edited on 11-27-2010 by halcyondays]

Required Reading

bajaguy - 11-26-2010 at 09:48 PM

For anyone thinking of building in Baja:

God and Mr. Gomez

http://www.amazon.com/God-Mr-Gomez-Building-Dream/dp/0884964...

toneart - 11-26-2010 at 09:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by halcyondays
Hoping some Mexican builders may examine this forum too.
As for having a contractor build---I have to pay into his social security and get the permits?
I was under the impression that a builder will get the permits---with my help.
And I was not aware I would have to pay his soc. Security?

We are in the process of getting FM3's and will not build until we have them.
Just starting the research early.

I know it's complicated.
But someone must have been through this and built a very small casita without enormous problems.

A few problems are always expected in Baja---I know-----but hoping to weed out the big ones.

And hoping to get a better price quote than I have been getting.
This should not cost $30,000 usd???




[Edited on 11-27-2010 by halcyondays]


Technically, you are correct; a Mexican contractor should be the one to hold and then pay Social Security. That is, if you sign a contract for him to do a complete package deal.

You really need to get as referral from a trusted person. Most who will offer their services as a contractor do not comply with the law, and many are not qualified either. You are ultimately responsible, no matter what the "contractor" tells you.

Trust is a huge issue! You really need to be there during the construction. You need to cost out the materials. You can count on "contractor" overruns; on labor, any materials he buys for you, labor costs, and time promised for delivery of the finished product.

Much has been written about this. Building in Baja is very risky. Title is very risky. You need to really do your homework, read the stories of people who failed with building, and all the pitfalls that await you; anticipated and unforeseen. There are so many ways to lose everything. In Baja, it is a big game. If you are not in charge....you lose!

I am sorry to sound so negative. I have been all through it. Leave no stone unturned, but mostly, you take charge and watch every aspect of the construction. You don't have to be a tyrant. That is counterproductive and invites resentment. But, you need to observe and ask questions every step of the way and be prepared to rip out "finished" stages and have them do it over. Do not count on your sense of logic to get you through it. It does not apply in Mexico.

Be friends with your workers. Buy the food and the cerveza for after work, often. Party with them. Gain their respect. Have fun!:bounce:

schwlind - 11-27-2010 at 01:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
For anyone thinking of building in Baja:

God and Mr. Gomez

http://www.amazon.com/God-Mr-Gomez-Building-Dream/dp/0884964...


Amen to that Bajaguy!... I love that book... have it in hard cover and audio...

Linda

DENNIS - 11-27-2010 at 06:22 AM

I recently built a garage with rooms pretty much as you describe although 5 feet deeper.
Allow me to make a suggestion. Give your self a little more room on the garage side. If you don't, you'll hate yourself forever for the trouble it will be getting in and out of your car after slamming those new doors up against the walls. I allowed 12 feet for the garage width and 8 for the rooms.
I had a contractor build the slab which sits on a slope, five feet high at the lowest end. It was a job. I built the rest, added an electric door, windows and still dont think I have 12 grand into the project.

BigWooo - 11-27-2010 at 06:55 AM

Try posting an ad in the Baja Western Onion . I believe a lot of people in that area read it.

DENNIS - 11-27-2010 at 06:57 AM

One more thing....I put a ceiling above the two rooms which gave me a loft accesible from the garage side and use that space for storage. You can never have too much of that.

monoloco - 11-27-2010 at 08:03 AM

Make sure you use a good contractor, there are a lot of contractors here that will give you a low bid then keep asking for more money or do a shoddy job. Before hiring, look at several examples of their work and talk to the clients. The locals here are notoriously lazy, I have found that the mainland crews are harder workers. I was watching a local crew yesterday that is building across the street from a friend, out of a crew of 10 there was never more than 4 or 5 actually working at one time, the rest would be sitting in the shade. Get someone good, you will not save money by going with the lowest bid, you will just end up doing a lot of things twice.

DENNIS - 11-27-2010 at 08:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
out of a crew of 10 there was never more than 4 or 5 actually working at one time



Obviously, some of those guys had a distinguished career with Cal-Trans.

Terry28 - 11-27-2010 at 11:03 AM

Listen well to Toneart, having been there as well I can say he speaks with truth and experience..Your total should not exceed around 15K...mas or menos

Contact LongLegs

Santiago - 11-27-2010 at 11:04 AM

here

tiotomasbcs - 11-27-2010 at 11:18 AM

Amigo, I have a Mexican friend who could fit your description .Rogelio Maclis is a local but does good work. He is working right now on a bodega he started on for a friend. He speaks English fairly well and you could view his project now and talk with the owner, too. Call me if you are in town at 612 118 1040 or u2u me. The locals are a bit lazy but I like helping the local economy here in Peskys. Just make up a signed agreement/contract. Suerte Tomas

DENNIS - 11-27-2010 at 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Just make up a signed agreement/contract. Suerte Tomas


In Spanish. Otherwise, forget it.

durrelllrobert - 11-27-2010 at 12:25 PM

Quote:
Quote:
[Edited on 11-27-2010 by halcyondays]


Technically, you are correct; a Mexican contractor should be the one to hold and then pay Social Security. That is, if you sign a contract for him to do a complete package deal.

You really need to get as referral from a trusted person. Most who will offer their services as a contractor do not comply with the law, and many are not qualified either. You are ultimately responsible, no matter what the "contractor" tells you.

Trust is a huge issue! You really need to be there during the construction. You need to cost out the materials. You can count on "contractor" overruns; on labor, any materials he buys for you, labor costs, and time promised for delivery of the finished product.

Much has been written about this. Building in Baja is very risky. Title is very risky. You need to really do your homework, read the stories of people who failed with building, and all the pitfalls that await you; anticipated and unforeseen. There are so many ways to lose everything. In Baja, it is a big game. If you are not in charge....you lose!

I am sorry to sound so negative. I have been all through it. Leave no stone unturned, but mostly, you take charge and watch every aspect of the construction. You don't have to be a tyrant. That is counterproductive and invites resentment. But, you need to observe and ask questions every step of the way and be prepared to rip out "finished" stages and have them do it over. Do not count on your sense of logic to get you through it. It does not apply in Mexico.

Be friends with your workers. Buy the food and the cerveza for after work, often. Party with them. Gain their respect. Have fun!:bounce:

A complete set of detailed plans and specifications should be incorporated into any building contract and the contract should read: "The contractor agrees to provide all materials and labor to construct the Casiita exactly as shown on the plans and specifications". I can provide this service for a nominal cost.

DENNIS - 11-27-2010 at 12:30 PM

A client must be immigration legal in Mexico to enter into a contract.
Just a reminder.

contact

BFS - 11-27-2010 at 02:40 PM

This guy built a garage for me in TS. Good, price, good guy, no funny business and he worked quickly. He is a local: Ricardo Lugo 612-141-6443 construccioneslugo@gmail.com. He does not speak english.

monoloco - 11-27-2010 at 03:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
out of a crew of 10 there was never more than 4 or 5 actually working at one time



Obviously, some of those guys had a distinguished career with Cal-Trans.
Yes they were well qualified for Cal-Trans. They were building the foundation for the house and one of the guys came over and borrowed a square, I sure hope they weren't using it to square up the house.

bajafreaks - 11-27-2010 at 06:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
What about this guy?


I haven't seen him on here in quite sometime, I think someone peeed him off...waaaaaa:mad:

bajaguy - 11-27-2010 at 06:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajafreaks
Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
What about this guy?


I haven't seen him on here in quite sometime, I think someone peeed him off...waaaaaa:mad:





He was last on a couple of days ago......

Last active: 11-25-2010 at 03:47 PM

longlegsinlapaz - 11-27-2010 at 07:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
here


Hmmmmmm Santiago....were you referring halcyondays to me to recommend a contractor....or for me to recommend who to avoid? :lol::lol:

I'm with Toneart....make sure you have as detailed contract as possible in place. Spell out what's included, what's excluded, especially who pays seguro social on the workers, specify in writing that you are to receive a copy of the monthly SS receipts every month, rather than at project end when he'll have lost or misplaced all or part of them! Make sure you enforce it & keep them in a safe place! Specify that the contractor is responsible for the cost of labor & materials for all rework required due to shoddy work.

If you're not fluent in Espanol, the contract can be in Espanol with each clause/section translated into English directly below. Make sure the translation is done by someone you trust or an official certified translator, because the Espanol is what will be used if there is a legal dispute at any time.

Shy away from any builder who wants to do anything under the table....if he's willing to screw Hacienda out of taxes, he'd be willing to screw you as well. Builders are not legally responsible for making sure everything is done according to local, state & federal law....YOU, as the property owner, will be legally responsible for any fines, fees & penalties.

Don't let any work start until you have a copy of the finalized Environmental Impact Study Authorization to Proceed letter in your hand, as well as the building permit. Do not allow the builder to start to clear the land before the EIS is finished....you can be fined up to $10K equivalent USD. File these documents away in a safe place along with your SS proof of payment.

BE THERE ON A DAILY BASIS to oversee the work being done....mistakes are more easily corrected before they are set in concrete! Much cheaper to move a chalk line than a completed wall! Take your own square, level & tape measure, and more importantly, know how to use them!:bounce:

Since you plan to eventually build up top, make sure your original ground-level structure is structurally engineered to support future construction!

It looks like you have gotten personal recommendations here for at least two local contractors....ask them both for detailed competitive presupuesto/bids & let each know that you are getting competitive presupuestos. Look at all the individual details, not just the bottom line number. Do they BOTH appear complete to you? If you get a slip of paper back with just a peso amount written on it, run like hell!:lol: The attention a contractor devotes to the presupuesto can be indicative of the attention he'll pay to the work itself.

Keep in mind any presupuestos you get now will reflect current labor & materials rates. Those rates will increase 6 months from now. As a matter of fact, bids you get now will go up after the first of the year!

This will be stressful, but if you pay attention to details up front & throughout the project, you can enjoy the final results for years!

monoloco - 11-28-2010 at 08:35 AM

Or you can do it the way that we did and act as your own contractor. We hired an engineer to do all the permits, hired a crew and paid them by the week, ordered all the materials and dealt with all the seguros. As for the environmental impact statement, we discovered that none is necessary if the property is 1000 sq, mt. or less so we subdivided the lot in to two, the difference was about 6000 pesos for the subdivision and the surveying vs. about 6000 dollars for the EIS. Either way you go, the way to get quality construction is to be on site everyday and fully involved with all aspects of the design and construction.

Mike99km - 11-28-2010 at 08:41 AM

Leggs, Great response! Very informative.
Thank you,

capt. mike - 11-28-2010 at 09:22 AM

He was last on a couple of days ago......

Last active: 11-25-2010 at 03:47 PM

posting or lurking? i thot he was abucted by fish, or maybe aliens??:lol::lol: