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JESSE - 1-31-2011 at 06:33 PM

:mad:

Russ - 1-31-2011 at 06:36 PM

How about figuring something out and realize you learned it 30 years ago but forgot?

JESSE - 1-31-2011 at 06:37 PM

Nope, even worse. I am coming to the conclusion that the mayority of my fellow Mexican people are idiots when it comes to politics, and thus, the reason we have such pathetic and incompetent goverments.

BajaBlanca - 1-31-2011 at 06:42 PM

exactly Jesse. the politicians reflect the people. that's the whole truth.

see you in a month when we return to la paz !!

bajacalifornian - 1-31-2011 at 07:07 PM

Vent it Jesse ! ! ! Desahogate . . . el otro lado, es lo mismo.

JESSE - 1-31-2011 at 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
It ain't just your fellow Mexicanos, hermano!

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Nope, even worse. I am coming to the conclusion that the mayority of my fellow Mexican people are idiots when it comes to politics, and thus, the reason we have such pathetic and incompetent goverments.


Yes, but theres levels of stupidity, and i do believe we are right at the top on that.

mcfez - 1-31-2011 at 07:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Nope, even worse. I am coming to the conclusion that the mayority of my fellow Mexican people are idiots when it comes to politics, and thus, the reason we have such pathetic and incompetent goverments.


Hell.....can I change the word Mexican to United States in your paragraph? Seems to be the same all over.....

BajaGringo - 1-31-2011 at 07:31 PM

I prefer to just think of it as theater.

MitchMan - 1-31-2011 at 08:49 PM

The politicians are elected by the people. If you are disgusted with the politicians' behavior, you have to look at the people who elect them... over and over again.

I have a 45-45-10 theory that applies to the USA. 45% of the people are smart and vote loyally for the correct political party. 45% are stupid and loyally vote for the wrong party. The last 10% are also stupid but they do not loyally vote for either party. This 10% can be easily swayed by the more persuasive party and therefore any party who gets their vote will win the elections.

The point is, 55% of the people are stupid.

Jesse, I agree with you that it's the people that are stupid. The politicians that are elected are usually just persuasive. If the majority of people voted intelligently, they would know who the intelligent and moral and capable politicians are and would vote only for them. Then you would have a good and well run country.

You are right, the Mexican electorate are even more stupid than we USA Americans and its quite apparent that the vast majority of Mexicans are very easily persuaded to repeatedly vote against their own best interest.

[Edited on 2-1-2011 by MitchMan]

[Edited on 2-1-2011 by MitchMan]

BMG - 1-31-2011 at 09:33 PM

Is there an election coming up? I had hardly noticed the line dancers blocking traffic, the flyers (in my mailbox, under my gate, over my gate, though my gate, under my wiper, in my planter, in the gutter), the trucks with blaring loudspeakers, the ranting politicians, the god-awful t-shirts, the parades of flagged and/or ballooned cars with kids on top and the multitude of posters attached to every single light and telephone pole on every street throughout the entire city.

Nope. Hardly noticed.

La_Paz_political_parade_down_malecon_Jan_16_2011i.JPG - 25kB

JESSE - 2-1-2011 at 12:41 AM

I personally believe in Mexico, 70% of the electorate, is certifiable stupid.

Cypress - 2-1-2011 at 06:33 AM

And those "undecided" voters are liars or fools, probably won't even vote.

Curt63 - 2-1-2011 at 10:26 AM

Jesse,

Its the human (not just Mexican or American) condition.

Greed and selfishness is the rule.

Are you expecting heaven on earth?

tripledigitken - 2-1-2011 at 10:49 AM

As much as I can share your frustration being a gringo living NOB, I am sick over what has happened in your country over the last 5 years. I truly hope that the population will eventually have enough and rise up.

Seeing what is happening in Egypt, largely orchestrated by the social networks, maybe it could happen in Mexico.

An election alone isn't going to get it done. How do you see it playing out?

Ken

fishabductor - 2-1-2011 at 10:51 AM

Looking at the title of this thread. I would have guessed you had fallen for your sister, cousin or something along those lines.

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Seeing what is happening in Egypt, largely orchestrated by the social networks, maybe it could happen in Mexico.




What's happening in Egypt is fine if it stays out of the hands of the nasty Muslims.
If it doesn't happen like that, I'd be investing in manufacturers of electric cars.

Oso - 2-1-2011 at 11:14 AM

"If there were no fools in the legislature, it would not be a representative body." - Will Rogers

tripledigitken - 2-1-2011 at 11:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Seeing what is happening in Egypt, largely orchestrated by the social networks, maybe it could happen in Mexico.




What's happening in Egypt is fine if it stays out of the hands of the nasty Muslims.
If it doesn't happen like that, I'd be investing in manufacturers of electric cars.


Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. I am not convinced that what will come out of Egypt will be better, (remember Iran)? My point is the power of the social networks to organize. Unfortunately, for Mexico, Egypt has a wider based middle class that do such things as facebook, etc.

Ken

grizzlyfsh95 - 2-1-2011 at 12:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
:mad:
Thank goodness we have people here who can tell us who the stupid people are. They are usually those whos views differ from our own...right? Geez...those smart folks should share more of their wisdom so that we could all get our thinking right. Maybe we could set up some institutions to train the thinking of these miscreants.
Maybe herd them into enclosures so they are easier to control. Just thinking.

Pompano - 2-1-2011 at 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95


:yes:

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Ken


I suppose I did, in a way. The people of Egypt have another factor in their favor....the military is on their side. I doubt we'll ever see that here.
I'll take a Tank over Facebook any day.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-1-2011 at 01:17 PM

Think!!

The reason we have stupid Politicans is that the People electing them are aslo Stupid;

Example of American Stupid People DOPERS

Example; People who cannot "Control Their Desires and Keep their Passions within due Bounds"

Example: Teachers Unions

Our socalled Leaders are a reflection of our own Culture.

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 01:56 PM

Well, Skeet...I think that's one of the most brilliant things you've ever said.

toneart - 2-1-2011 at 02:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oso
"If there were no fools in the legislature, it would not be a representative body." - Will Rogers


:yes::smug:

toneart - 2-1-2011 at 02:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95
Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
:mad:
Thank goodness we have people here who can tell us who the stupid people are. They are usually those whos views differ from our own...right? Geez...those smart folks should share more of their wisdom so that we could all get our thinking right. Maybe we could set up some institutions to train the thinking of these miscreants.
Maybe herd them into enclosures so they are easier to control. Just thinking.


Hey Grizz!

I think the "stupid people" already have all that covered.:rolleyes::yes:

Skeet/Loreto - 2-1-2011 at 02:24 PM

See Dennis what I mean about Stupid People:
The newer Generation are so weak minded that their only way of Life is to find Fault and Blame the Past instead of making their Minds Stronger and leanring how to solve the Present problems and look to the Future,

Here I am an Addled old Fart with a Couple of Million in my Hip Pocket, a Beautifull Young wife for the past 30 years{As of Feb. 14th} Spent 38 years in Baja Sur and the Sea of Cortez, a 50 Year Freemason, a Shriner, Former Alderman, Pilot, Skier, Cowboy, Investigator, College Degree,
AND HASVE NEVER LOWERED MY SELF TO DOPE

Barry A. - 2-1-2011 at 03:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
The past often predicates the future.
Ever read about that one? Something about history repeating itself?
I hope you use some of those millions for some good on this earth.
There is that "pablum for the masses", though. You can always fall back on that one, too.


Huh???????

I am sure Skeet will put those "millions" to good use taking care of his family for years to come-------charity begins at home, I always say..

Barry

sanquintinsince73 - 2-1-2011 at 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
See Dennis what I mean about Stupid People:
The newer Generation are so weak minded that their only way of Life is to find Fault and Blame the Past instead of making their Minds Stronger and leanring how to solve the Present problems and look to the Future,

Here I am an Addled old Fart with a Couple of Million in my Hip Pocket, a Beautifull Young wife for the past 30 years{As of Feb. 14th} Spent 38 years in Baja Sur and the Sea of Cortez, a 50 Year Freemason, a Shriner, Former Alderman, Pilot, Skier, Cowboy, Investigator, College Degree,
AND HASVE NEVER LOWERED MY SELF TO DOPE

So Skeet, whats really up with thae Freemasons? I've a good buddy here in ChulaJuana who refuses to spill the beans.

Loretana - 2-1-2011 at 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

"Here I am an Addled old Fart with a Couple of Million in my Hip Pocket, a Beautifull Young wife for the past 30 years{As of Feb. 14th} Spent 38 years in Baja Sur and the Sea of Cortez, a 50 Year Freemason, a Shriner, Former Alderman, Pilot, Skier, Cowboy, Investigator, College Degree,
AND HASVE NEVER LOWERED MY SELF TO DOPE"


PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!
THE GREAT.....er....OZ.......HAS SPOKEN! :lol:



(No DOPE, Skeet? What do you call the "Two eyed Tequilla" then?) :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 05:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The reason we have stupid Politicans is that the People electing them are aslo Stupid;
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Well, Skeet...I think that's one of the most brilliant things you've ever said.


Tell me I'm wrong.

Bajahowodd - 2-1-2011 at 05:48 PM

Maybe everyone should step back and take a breath. Seems to me that there has been this overarching idea that democracy is not only the best, but the only acceptable form of government.

Yet, here on this thread, I read post after post that complains about how stupid the electorate is. I'm not specifically condoning any other form of governance, but just maybe folks ought to realize that democracy is not THE only answer all the time, given the social, economic and educational achievement situation in a country.

Just maybe, if a magic wand passed over the globe, and all nations instantly had full participary democracy, the world would explode into chaos.

Gotta remember, for all there warts and shortcomings, the US founding fathers were themselves an aristocracy, who actually argued and ultimate placed within the US constutution some controls over the unwashed masses. Think separation of powers, and the electoral college to name just two.

JESSE - 2-1-2011 at 06:23 PM

Here in Baja sur, we have one candidate whos under investigation for defrauding the state for 7 million. Another who actually has a record for fraud and is banned from working in the federal goverment. Another who bankrupted his city when he was a mayor. Another who paid hundreds of checks worth dozens of millions to unknown suppliers. And these people are doing pretty good in the polls.

Now do you understand what i mean?

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 06:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Here in Baja sur, we have one candidate whos under investigation for defrauding the state for 7 million. Another who actually has a record for fraud and is banned from working in the federal goverment. Another who bankrupted his city when he was a mayor. Another who paid hundreds of checks worth dozens of millions to unknown suppliers. And these people are doing pretty good in the polls.

Now do you understand what i mean?




It's the party who promotes these garbage pails that must be taken to task just as the Republican Party in the states should be if they ever promote Sarah Palin for any job which she didn't perform on her back.
Can't blame a loser for accepting a gift.

DENNIS - 2-1-2011 at 06:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Maybe everyone should step back and take a breath. Seems to me that there has been this overarching idea that democracy is not only the best, but the only acceptable form of government.



And, your vote for a better system is........................?

dtbushpilot - 2-1-2011 at 07:17 PM

I'm almost finished reading the book "Do I Stand Alone" by Jesse Ventura. I know that not everybody is a Ventura fan but he is right on the money about the state of politics, the media and the voting (or not) public in the US. It's been an interesting read so far, check it out if you get a chance.....dt

[Edited on 2-2-2011 by dtbushpilot]

[Edited on 2-2-2011 by dtbushpilot]

flyfishinPam - 2-1-2011 at 08:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JESSE
Here in Baja sur, we have one candidate whos under investigation for defrauding the state for 7 million. Another who actually has a record for fraud and is banned from working in the federal goverment. Another who bankrupted his city when he was a mayor. Another who paid hundreds of checks worth dozens of millions to unknown suppliers. And these people are doing pretty good in the polls.

Now do you understand what i mean?


WHAT?! No porn stars? What kind of election is this?

flyfishinPam - 2-1-2011 at 08:06 PM

Jesse this will be my first time voting here in Mexico. Here's a video that's always helped me in the past when I faced the polls north of the border.

Why George Carlin doesn't vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

Skipjack Joe - 2-1-2011 at 08:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by flyfishinPam

Why George Carlin doesn't vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk



For some reason his crudeness was funnier when I was younger.

dtbushpilot - 2-1-2011 at 08:21 PM

I saw George Carlin live on stage in Farmington NM (times must have been tough) about 10 years ago......$20 bucks and an hour of my life I will never get back.....what a waste, I left before it was over....dt

toneart - 2-1-2011 at 09:33 PM

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Those pesky monkeys obstruct the poignant message of a genius. Comedy, delivered in an attention-getting way is merely the vehicle of George Carlin's genius. (Thank you, Pam!):light:

Lenny Bruce talked extensively about words. He knew the line (in an earlier time), and chose to martyr himself by trying to get arrested, and he succeeded. "Dirty words" in comedy was, in part, his vehicle. And he said, "suppose you take a toilet, the dirtiest word and imagery that reactionaries can imagine...and boil it!" Well, there goes the dirt. There goes the image.:wow::D

BajaGringo - 2-2-2011 at 04:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I saw George Carlin live on stage in Farmington NM (times must have been tough) about 10 years ago......$20 bucks and an hour of my life I will never get back.....what a waste, I left before it was over....dt


With that you could have covered the green fees at one of the best golf courses I have ever played, right there in Farmington. Probably would have had a lot more fun...

Pinon Hills Golf Course

Skeet/Loreto - 2-2-2011 at 07:56 AM

Soulpatch; No! I do not think History will repeat itself for at least another 4 generations;

SanQuintinsince73; Go to your nearest Masonic Lodge and talk to a Mason for your Answeres.

Two-Eyed Tequila is Boose/Liquid Drug and not aganist the Law. There was a full page in yesterdays Amarillo Globe news listing all the Arrest for Possession of Dope. A full Page.

As long as we have Parents failure to teach their children the difference between right and Wrong, Self Discipline, Homor, Caring and Kindness, Not to be Greedy, not to be Cheaters, this great country will contuine to go down the Hill to Disaster.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-2-2011 at 08:23 AM

From an "addled Ole Man":

Right now in the Texas Panhandle it is Minus 2 Degrees, with a dusting of Snow.
Now Soulpatch you should have been with me the last 2 days of Feeding and caring for my Horses in this Cold Weather. I just wonder if Blurps like you could stand a little hard work on a Cold Day or would you need a Couple of Joints to get you out of the House??

DENNIS - 2-2-2011 at 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
if Blurps like you



Ohhh yeah...I like that one, but what's a Blurp?

Santiago - 2-2-2011 at 08:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now Soulpatch you should have been with me the last 2 days of Feeding and caring for my Horses in this Cold Weather. I just wonder if Blurps like you could stand a little hard work on a Cold Day or would you need a Couple of Joints to get you out of the House??

Skeet: Soulpatch is a firefighter. I suspect he has done a bit of hard work in his life.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-2-2011 at 08:55 AM

Santigo:

A FireFighter<

Good for him. I give him a handshake for that Job.

TMW - 2-2-2011 at 10:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch

At least here in CA we sent the candidate for governor who spent almost $200,000,000 and hadn't even participated in the democratic process in close to three decades packing.......


Yep we now got Governor Moonbeam again. The state prison guard and teachers union pocketman and no on prop 13 guy. Can't wait to see where he takes us this time.

toneart - 2-2-2011 at 10:54 AM

Skeet-
Over the years you have been a bad influence on me. I am getting cranky, preachy and the blurps come all too often.:smug::lol:

DENNIS - 2-2-2011 at 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Good for him. I give him a handshake for that Job.



Uhhhh....Ummmm...nah, I won't do it. :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 2-2-2011 at 11:05 AM

Dennis:

Did you ever see a Large Cow take a Poop that was Loose??
Well the Sound it makes as it hits the Ground is "Blurp"

You can figure out the rest from what Toneart says.

DENNIS - 2-2-2011 at 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Did you ever see a Large Cow take a Poop that was Loose??
Well the Sound it makes as it hits the Ground is "Blurp"



Thanks Skeet. And all these years I thought that sound was SPLOOT.

toneart - 2-2-2011 at 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dennis:

Did you ever see a Large Cow take a Poop that was Loose??
Well the Sound it makes as it hits the Ground is "Blurp"

You can figure out the rest from what Toneart says.


:lol::lol: So that's what's making you cranky and preachy? You shouldn't let it back up like that. :o:wow:

gnukid - 2-2-2011 at 11:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Dennis:

Did you ever see a Large Cow take a Poop that was Loose??
Well the Sound it makes as it hits the Ground is "Blurp"

You can figure out the rest from what Toneart says.


If a boy is born under the eastern star and is given opportunities, a leg up on the ladder, offered 32nd degree but interestingly not 33rd, isn't that called nepotism-something most people disparage, which would be the opposite of working for it from scratch? Just wondering from your enlightened perspective, if you could illuminate, was it easier for you do you think than others who are not born under the eastern star? Did you receive benefits and opportunities not offered to the common man? Do you feel some guilt about that? Or do you still feel sanctamonius and virtuous, even right now?

wessongroup - 2-3-2011 at 12:14 AM

Wow, brings up an argument I had with my dad when young...

I was of the opinion that I did not need anyone!! to get buy..... I could just go live like the "Red Man" in the Forests, much like the Indians along the Verge River in AZ.. stay high in the summer, come back down in the winter... perfect, just perfect...

Asked me how I was getting there, car... nope "others" made that ... then I'll walk.. he then asked what kind of shoes I'd be wearing, and did I plan on taking my "down" sleeping bag.. and all that other "stuff" like metal axes and ALL the rest ......... I was about 14 at the time

After my dad had shown me, that I would be hard pressed to try and "make it" on my own... I mean standing naked in a forest .... Well it made me think.. something I really didn't do at that time in my life, along with much the rest too come to think of it..

Just another way of looking at things ....

But, I still think Government is past Pluto in size, scope and debt ... and the burroes up there, over there, down there or where ever.. can't pour pees out of the proverbial "boot"

The President and all these guys were caught "off guard"... we have been involved in this "drama in the Middle East" for one hell of a long time... and does have to do with religion... folks over there really don't think so much of US at this time...

Hope this isn't to hard for ya JOe, and I take medication which in tended to help me forget...... my God, wish I could forget it ALL, but sadly I'm still here, at this time... funny, just remember the wife.... on my last birthday... turned 69... but, anyway the wife say's... "I can't believe you have lived this long"... and trust me, I feel it and am as shocked as she ..... buy all things, know to man, I should be dead ... but, it is what it is..

And its all good... and of course, I don't run it through word..

:):)



[Edited on 2-3-2011 by wessongroup]

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 08:02 AM

For the Unlearned in our society:

The 33 Degree is an Honorary Degree bestowed on those who are and have been active in FreeMasonry.

There are Masons all over the World. It makes "Good Men" "Better".

Why not seek out a Mason near you and ask him??

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 08:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by soulpatch
At least here in CA we sent the candidate for governor who spent almost $200,000,000 and hadn't even participated in the democratic process in close to three decades packing.......


I could never forgive the people of California had they sold the Governorship to a hag like Meg. As it panned out, she made her most patriotic effort by pumping 200,000,000 bucks into the economy. That was nice.

flyfishinPam - 2-3-2011 at 09:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
For the Unlearned in our society:

The 33 Degree is an Honorary Degree bestowed on those who are and have been active in FreeMasonry.

There are Masons all over the World. It makes "Good Men" "Better".

Why not seek out a Mason near you and ask him??


Since you're inviting us to ask, I am curious...are women treated as equals in the free masons?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_and_women

The BBC would like to apologize for the next announcement:
Monty Pythons Freemasonry- the architect sketch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1bHBthJN9w

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 09:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Why not seek out a Mason near you and ask him??


I wouldn't hire a mason to talk. I'd hire him to work. :lol:

gnukid - 2-3-2011 at 10:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
For the Unlearned in our society:

The 33 Degree is an Honorary Degree bestowed on those who are and have been active in FreeMasonry.

There are Masons all over the World. It makes "Good Men" "Better".

Why not seek out a Mason near you and ask him??


Yes, of course the nuance of degrees bestowed is complicated since you are a secret society, by the way, why would someone join a group that has a secret agenda, perhaps with the hope it will pay off with some sort of dividend, one that you wouldn't receive if you didn't join? What kind of a person joins a group that says we're really great, but we can't say more, just join us and over your lifetime you'll learn why? When would you know it's a mistake, when it's too late?

You mentioned that your mother was member of the eastern star which certainly means that your grandfather on her side was a Mason. So, you are a multigenerational member of the FreeMasons which has it's obvious and well known implications.

Therefore, you are entitled to some advantage, exposure to more 'secrets', advantageous relationships with other multigenerational Masons such as judges and politicians as you have clearly noted here, certainly you are entitled to achieve 32nd degree by your birthright, though presumably often a higher degree for a high achieving multigenerational Mason?

So what's going on, Have you become disinterested? Did you get what you expected? What did you learn if anything? Can't say?

You describe a sort of division of society, the enlightened over the blurps, I guess that is what this thread is about. There are those who are perceived as stupid, non-deserving blurps, disregarded idiots who must be led by the few enlightened, intentionally misled at times and left uneducated because they are undeserving, isn't that right? A dumbed down electorate is more easily manipulated by false left right arguments? The eye of a pyramid supported by four sides is hard to topple.

So, if the Mason are do gooders wouldn't their primary motive be to educate the masses about the secret societies that keep them stupid and uneducated? Would their motive be to turn the masses into low scoring students with low quality education or high scoring students with critical thinking skills, science and math for all? Especially those at the bottom, Skeet? Wouldn't a true altruistic virtuous person be devoted to helping all people become better critical thinkers, with improved skills in grammar, logic and rhetoric? Or would you be devoted to disparaging others with a pedantic insults and put downs for their unenlightened plight?

That's what this is all about isn't it Jesse, Skeet, Dennis? The societal division created by lack of education, a controlled dumbed down society, or one might say a lack of shared of secrets, reflected in thousands of people shouting and honking for their candidate on the Malecon?

Which side do you fall upon, the enlightened elite looking down at so-called idiots or the side that is working to educate the people to become educated and independent of secrets societies and their domination?

Finally, at what point is it openly offensive and hypocritical to claim higher virtue while casting others as failures in your eyes for their lack of resources, or for their lack of multigenerational connections? And to those who encourage and support these insults like Natalie Ann and others here what role do you play in the big picture, the election, with your humorous conciliatory agreement? What role do you have in the oppression of the masses? And if you claim none, no role whatsoever--that itself would speak loudly as does your complimentary speech in response to Skeet's disparaging diatribe.

I have no idea about any of this, I am only asking questions prompted by Jesse's post and learning about people and society here on Baja Nomad, the looking glass to the world. What say thee?




[Edited on 2-3-2011 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 10:44 AM

Well Gnukid the first thing you need to learn is that the Masons are not a Secret Society but better said is a Society with some Secrets.
Starting with King Solomans Temple'.

Men Like Mozart, Kipling, George Washington, John Wayne, Will Rogers, and Many many others.
There are no Women Masons.
Men join the Masonic Lodge to become Better Men. Some of those things such as Prudence, Tempurence, Fortitude, and Justice. How to Control their Desires and keep their Passions with in Due Bounds.
All kinds of Men from those with very little Money to those with Millions Join. Millions of dollars are spent each day on Cripple Children, Lauange Disorder, hearing, and other things suffered by Children.

Aperson is not"Entitled" to become a Mason. He must want to be Mason, then ask a Mason. He is Voted on and can be denied by anyone setting in the Lodge, if he is found to be unworthy.

Now Kid what you must realize is that all people are not equipted with Smarts, desire to work and better themselves, have respect, will fight for what they beleive in and etc.
There are many people who try and improve their lot, their are many people who do not ry, do not seek to be educated, do not want too put out eggort.
Many are Parasites, many are Commie types, Socialist Type who think that those who do have a desire to work should support them, the Parasite.

I was never entitled to be a Mason. I had to work hard through the first 3 Degrees and then had to work hard to obtain the 32nd Degree.You just do not understand and I will suggest that if you are a Good Man Now, go and find a Mason and tell him you would like to become a Mason. You will never regret it!

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 10:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
That's what this is all about isn't it Jesse, Skeet, Dennis? The societal division created by lack of education, a controlled dumbed down society, or one might say a lack of shared of secrets, reflected in thousands of people shouting and honking for their candidate on the Malecon?

Which side do you fall upon, the enlightened elite looking down at so-called idiots or the side that is working to educate the people to become educated and independent of secrets societies and their domination?




Jeeeezo...what did I say? Are you alright, Paul??? Sit down and breathe deeply for a minute or two.
I've been ignoring the Free Mason threads here forever. I really couldn't care less what they do.
What I don't understand is how so many people can guard a bunch of secrets without the cat being let out of the bag at least once in all these hundreds of years.
Did Dan Brown give it up? Masons will say no.
Has anybody given it up? Secrets are made to be leaked.

Paul....ask Skeet, nicely, if he'll divulge the secrets. Inquiring minds want to know.


Can we talk about "Skull and Bones" for a while, or is that the same thing? I don't know squat about that either except that it's a Yale thing.



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[Edited on 2-3-2011 by DENNIS]

gnukid - 2-3-2011 at 11:14 AM

Dennis, Skeet,

Let's stay on topic, Jesse's post highlights a sentiment that is reflected by many, that most people are stupid and poorly informed, like sheep led down a path toward their death.

It's an important topic that can be discussed without feeling insulted Dennis, quite the contrary, your comments are most helpful and enlightening.

I asked you what do you think about the idea that people are in general considered stupid by others who consider themselves as elite.

It doesn't matter whether media and education are controlled one secret society or another or how or why, just that there is an idea that some people are more deserving than others. What do you think about that?

Cypress - 2-3-2011 at 11:28 AM

No matter how you cut it, half the people in the world are below average.:D

flyfishinPam - 2-3-2011 at 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Dennis, Skeet,

Let's stay on topic, Jesse's post highlights a sentiment that is reflected by many, that most people are stupid and poorly informed, like sheep led down a path toward their death.

It's an important topic that can be discussed without feeling insulted Dennis, quite the contrary, your comments are most helpful and enlightening.

I asked you what do you think about the idea that people are in general considered stupid by others who consider themselves as elite.

It doesn't matter whether media and education are controlled one secret society or another or how or why, just that there is an idea that some people are more deserving than others. What do you think about that?


I know I'm just a woman and can't ever be a mason even though I really admire that handshake, but IMHO they're just a bunch of Uncle Tom's. Uncle Toms are necessary to neutralize constructive anger among the masses that can be channeled into solutions which will benefit them, and they are necessary to keep us apart in every way. Divide and conquer.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 11:43 AM

O.K Kid.

Tell me the difference between the NBA and NASCAR!

Tell me Why Thai People can open and operate a great Resturant and not do good in Govt. Work.

Whu do Vietnam People do so good a Farminjg and very p[oorly as Doctors?

Tell me why "India" Indians make very good Doctors but no good at Ranching??

KId. I would suggest that you go to Baja Sur to and Island named Delefonsa snorkel around study the fish Life and the Birdlife then compare it to Human life.
I think that with an open Mind you will learn much.

You will not learn the truth from re seeing Words only. For a True
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[Edited on 2-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

flyfishinPam - 2-3-2011 at 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
O.K Kid.

Tell me the difference between the NBA and NASCAR!

Tell me Why Thai People can open and operate a great Resturant and not do good in Govt. Work.

Whu do Vietnam People do so good a Farminjg and very p[oorly as Doctors?

Tell me why "India" Indians make very good Doctors but no good at Ranching??

KId. I would suggest that you go to Baja Sur to and Island named Delefonsa snorkel around study the fish Life and the Birdlife then compare it to Human life.
I think that with an open Mind you will learn much.

You will not learn the truth from re seeing Words only. For a True ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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seriously, are you OK? I don't know whether to be worried or ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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[Edited on 2-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

toneart - 2-3-2011 at 11:53 AM

Geeze! After reading all that, I think I may be stupid. It is getting pretty confusing. PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP???

I am, however, more deserving that some others. :saint::rolleyes::smug::rolleyes:

do they take skeet out in public?

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2011 at 11:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
O.K Kid.

Tell me the difference between the NBA and NASCAR!

Tell me Why Thai People can open and operate a great Resturant and not do good in Govt. Work.

Whu do Vietnam People do so good a Farminjg and very p[oorly as Doctors?

Tell me why "India" Indians make very good Doctors but no good at Ranching??

KId. I would suggest that you go to Baja Sur to and Island named Delefonsa snorkel around study the fish Life and the Birdlife then compare it to Human life.
I think that with an open Mind you will learn much.

You will not learn the truth from re seeing Words only. For a True ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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can always count on old skeet to show his racist colors.

[Edited on 2-4-2011 by BajaNomad]

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 12:05 PM

WOW! Just got hit with a "Brown Out" when power came back I got all the "P's.

To finish. For a True picture you have to"Get Out Among the People and watch their actions.
The United States of America and its people have produced the Strongest, Wealtist, most Advanced in all Fields, Nation in the World. There are people who are Weakers, poorer in all respects that become jealous and want to have the same kind of things. They are unable to obtain that themselves for many reasons including their inability to think and Act in a Positive Manner. Yes and also they allow their Leaders to Rape them each Day.

And look at Mexico; Years back it was ruled by the Catholic Church, then Zapata and others started a Revoulation and dislodged the Church from the Govt. Then Mexico went through a very good growth and did some great things with the people, then the Strong Political Party lost out to the more "Liberal bunch of Leaders' who started taking and not giving back to the People-One result is many good workers headed for the States.

KId you must look at things with a thought in the back of your mind" Survival" , Who is the strongest?? Who does the best in "Faith" "Hope" " Charity" ??

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 12:07 PM

Dennis:

The one Big Fault that you have that does not allow your mind to expand is

'I don"t really Care"

At last, a diagnosis:

toneart - 2-3-2011 at 12:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzSaoN2LdfU

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
I asked you what do you think about the idea that people are in general considered stupid by others who consider themselves as elite.

What do you think about that?


Less than you would imagine. In fact, I don't think about it. They have nothing to do with my life unless I allow it and that's not going to happen.
In a word...they ain't nobody.

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 12:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The one Big Fault that you have that does not allow your mind to expand is 'I don"t really Care"


I don't really care about that either. I don't need others to expand my mind. I do that on my own.
:light:

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 12:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto


Tell me the difference between the NBA and NASCAR!

Tell me Why Thai People can open and operate a great Resturant and not do good in Govt. Work.

Whu do Vietnam People do so good a Farminjg and very poorly as Doctors?

Tell me why "India" Indians make very good Doctors but no good at Ranching??




My Gawwwwwd, Skeet....Where do you get such ideas to develop these stereotypes?

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 12:31 PM

You are very "Conceited" then. If that makes you happy and content then so be it>

I like to learn from every person I meet.
I like to help People Help themselves.
If someone takes a suggestion and goes out an improves their lives, then what I said to them was a positive thing and gives me pleasure that they have put out effort and done something for themselves.

history according to skeet

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2011 at 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The United States of America and its people have produced the Strongest, Wealtist, most Advanced in all Fields, Nation in the World.


maybe.

but can say the same about roman empire, greek empire, macedonia, british empire, byzantine empire, etc.

the one thing history shows us is that all empires eventually crumble.

Barry A. - 2-3-2011 at 12:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The United States of America and its people have produced the Strongest, Wealtist, most Advanced in all Fields, Nation in the World.


maybe.

but can say the same about roman empire, greek empire, macedonia, british empire, byzantine empire, etc.

the one thing history shows us is that all empires eventually crumble.


----yes the do "crumble" (from within) and it is folks like you that are mostly responsible for that.

Barry

history according to barry

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2011 at 12:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The United States of America and its people have produced the Strongest, Wealtist, most Advanced in all Fields, Nation in the World.


maybe.

but can say the same about roman empire, greek empire, macedonia, british empire, byzantine empire, etc.

the one thing history shows us is that all empires eventually crumble.


----yes the do "crumble" (from within) and it is folks like you that are mostly responsible for that.

Barry


please tell me how people like me are responsible. looking forward to your explanation :lol:

Barry A. - 2-3-2011 at 12:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The United States of America and its people have produced the Strongest, Wealtist, most Advanced in all Fields, Nation in the World.


maybe.

but can say the same about roman empire, greek empire, macedonia, british empire, byzantine empire, etc.

the one thing history shows us is that all empires eventually crumble.


----yes the do "crumble" (from within) and it is folks like you that are mostly responsible for that.

Barry


please tell me how people like me are responsible. looking forward to your explanation :lol:


That would be a waste of my time, Goat, as you would not understand it, and the rest of us already know it.

Cheers, Barry

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 12:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
please tell me how people like me are responsible. looking forward to your explanation :lol:



You are about to be buried in Skeetisms. :lol::lol::lol:

gnukid - 2-3-2011 at 12:49 PM

At the risk of losing your patience, it's apparent that important discussions take longer. Let's take a closer look at the factors that relate to the dumbing down of the voters (blurps):

For ever in time, there has been the struggle to reign control over the masses by those who claim right to govern over them. Over time, greater understanding of the collective psychology of man has revealed more about the inner psychology of the human being as both capable of logical reasoning yet more so controlled by irrational thoughts and desires that Sigmund Freud researched and wrote about, later his nephew Edward Bernays used the ideas to further propaganda into political science and public relations which he used successfully to promote marketing of many products such as cigarettes and the take over the banana republics among many other political feats.

Language plays a big part as well, language is both localized and globalized, language is the programming of the people, the meaning of words has both implicit and explicit meaning for example, the word Kid means child and it also means goat in english. Goats are herded by masters. Those who seek power use words throughout society to both communicate implicit and explicit meaning-this is one form of implicit control.

People may be able to use language to describe their world, but if they can not they remain unable to discuss the way things are or the way things used to be or the way things ought to be. So education plays a critical role in either giving people the tools they need to think or reducing their ability to think and discuss ideas.

As Royals and warlords became aware of the peoples ability to form liasons and factions they discovered they could be led regardless of their inclination, so, it was determined that by creating and controlling the opposition one can lead the both the power center and the opposition, by fractionalizing larger groups into smaller ones, groups could be corralled and led against one another.

Ultimately there were societies that were controlled with an iron fist, but this is costly, instead it was discovered that people could be led to demand the very goals of the Royal warlords, for example to demand taxes for certain goals, to demand enslavement of certain groups, to vote for and demand a fictional representative leader as the image of their collective ideals such as the modern mayor, governor and president while behind these public images are the real yet hidden leaders, a shadow government that you will never see.

By reducing peoples ability to reason with logic and discuss ideas they could be led more easily, false arguments could be used. Plato was among the philosophers who joined a society known as the Socratic Society who explored these ideas and wrote about them in works such as Plato's Republic. Led by Socrates, Plato, Xenophon and Aristophanes wrote about the meaning of justice and truth.

The study of of logic and critical thinking involves the trivium and quadrivium, the trivium is made up of the lower of the seven liberal arts, logic, grammar and rhetoric. The quadrivium is the four higher four liberal arts, geometry, astronomy, arithmetic, and music.

By removing the study of these arts from education, false or fallacious arguments may be used to fractionalize the people in subgroups and lead them to battle each other, ultimately demanding the goals outlined by the power elite. Some examples of false arguments or fallacious arguments are first the ad hominem attack, instead of attacking the subject you attack the person. For example, if person A made an argument for free education for all, a fallacious argument against that might be, you are liberal retard. Another false argument is the false premise, for example, most people are stupid therefore free education for all would never work. There are hundreds of false arguments, they are often see here on BN and easily spotted if you know the trivium you can identify them if not you may find yourself arguing in circles and losing your focus and energy toward a logical outcome.

Over time, there has been increasing skill to control the discussion as well as limit education, by doing so those who seek to lead the masses use many false arguments. A common example is the false strawman argument or fallacy of extension, for example, person A claims an exaggerated position of person B and attacks that position as wrong. Another common false argument is the fallacy of the anonymous authority, for example Experts agree... but you don't name the source as it does not exist. The list is long but you get the point, other common false arguments are Needling, Lies, Inflation of Conflict etc...

So you see by educating yourself about logic, grammar and rhetoric (dialect) you can empower yourself to recognize false arguments that are used to fractionalize communities, divide and conquer and control the population in order to lead them to demand their own enslavement under a self-appointed ruler.

This process of control through control of language and education has been going on for eons, there are countless books written by both those who seek to promote self-education such as Plato and those such as Manley P. Hall who seek to promote the control of the masses for the benefit of a few, we've discussed many of those here as well as witnessed their incarnation. While this process has gone on forever, the influence of the few over the masses has grown by those who attempt to control the language, the media and subsequently the message, as Marshal McLuhan noted "the medium is the massage".

Take the time to learn about the trivium and how to spot these clearly obvious false arguments and you will find yourself free to pursue clarity and truth toward your independence and education.



[Edited on 2-4-2011 by gnukid]

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 01:12 PM

Gnu....it's about your avatar...what's cookin'?

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 01:36 PM

Barry: May I answer Goat?

Goat You will never be successful at changing People to your ways. You can fool some of the People some of the time but not all of the People all of the time.
If you had been rasied in my time you could have seen the Principle, Character, Strength of the American People. It is still there and there are enough Grandkids and future Children that will prevent these "lazy Thinkers" from ever defeating the Great United States -From With out or from Within.

Look around Why do you think there are more People in Church on Sunday that go to the Movies??

Why do you think TEXAS is doing so great when other States are losing their Businesses and People??

Could it be that the BAPTIST are doing a Better Job at running Texas than the DOPERS?? are running California/Nevada??

gnukid - 2-3-2011 at 02:50 PM

Dennis, You bring up another excellent point which relates to this subject of voters and Nomads; your body and brain functions require a complex diet for your brain to function fully.

I'm cooking beans with are rich in protein, ranchera salsa, chicken soup stock and risotto to go along with fresh salad, vegetables, melon and fruit.

I believe that these pots cooking in the morning and at night also create healthy aromatherapy, they heat the house in the cold weather like today, they make you feel good even if you aren't eating them at the moment and by the same token we are influenced by the plants around us, their qualities affect us whether we are eating them at the moment or not.

People are dumbed down directly through poor diet. When you see the locals hit the tienda for a 2 liter coke, chips and candy--the result is poor brain function. Many items found in the store are actually poisonous for your body, like artificial sweeteners and diet drinks with aspartame and others are foods with no benefits yet contain high fructose corn syrup. Worse the names of foods are being confused through manipulation of FDA regulation and organics and genetically modified foods are not labeled effectively to inform buyers.

Nutrition is key to brain function. If instead of poison and empty foods, you eat a complex diet of fresh raw foods that deliver nutrients, minerals and energy that you get from local sources that you know are grown in safe and healthy manner, and you add staples from healthy sources you will feed your brain and body and allow it to function fully. A complex diet will also give you more energy and you will be less likely to react with extreme emotion such as depression or manic behavior, I think you'll find your reasoning ability improves and you reach your potential.

While I don't eat perfectly, nor have I reached my potential, I try and I enjoy a broad and complex diet including fish, meat and eggs, home made bread. I simply try to add diversity and more raw local foods. I find I am more calm and more able to think reasonably without overreacting or becoming unnecessarily emotional. In short a good complex diet of healthy food allows you be closer to achieving your full ability. My daily goals are to prepare 20 vegetables and to begin the day with healthy fresh meal.

Here are pictures of my current midwinter rooftop garden in Baja, we just ate a cantelope melon that I harvested at this moment. In our community we are sharing seeds, sharing harvests and sharing knowledge of how to garden.















[Edited on 2-4-2011 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 03:09 PM

gnukid;

Are you a Girl?

DENNIS - 2-3-2011 at 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;

Are you a Girl?


Of course he isn't a girl. He was talking about melons and thought it would be helpful to illustrate his point. I think it was a very nice gesture. Very Very nice.

wessongroup - 2-3-2011 at 04:33 PM

Funny, I liked the corn... :):)

monoloco - 2-3-2011 at 04:39 PM

Gnu, you are right about the manipulation of the masses, it isn't something new, but with the ever increasing number of hours every day that the corporate media commands our attention it has become a very effective science from which none of us are immune. The only way to avoid it is to get out in the world and experience what's really going on so we have counter references to the spin, unfortunately, the majority are quite content to sit on their Lazy Boy and have the glowing box do their thinking for them.

I Dunno

Bajahowodd - 2-3-2011 at 04:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;

Are you a Girl?


Can't say that I agree with Skeet all that often, but the text sure would support the contention.

So, while we are at it, and still intoxicated by a combo of zen and new age babble, someone 'splain to me how it is that Egypt has by far the greatest number of unemplyed college graduates in the world.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2011 at 05:03 PM

Howodd:
Because they have no Jobs, no real maufacturing, or large emploers who make a lot of Money and Hire them.

Or could it be that the Muslim Brotherhood are teaching them that they donot have to work, just get the Govt. to give them Money???

Why is it that those Dummies cannot take after the Chinese where everybody has to work or Die???

Finally to Gnukid: Kid I did not understand your very long and Accruate Thread with so many fancy words.
Your use of words that I have never seen or heard cause me to relect and wonder if they are "Code" ??

Back in 1941 I listened on a Battery Radio to FDR say If they want War we are going to have War".. The people of this great County responded and whipped the Poop out of Germany and Japan. We can do that to North Korea and Iran in a Minute, and it maybe that we will have too do just that in the near future and I and old Korean War Vet am ready to go and "Whup some more Butt"//

BajaRat - 2-3-2011 at 06:16 PM

" I am Lothar of the hill people, I am a simple man and do not understand your ways" . I'm not quite convinced that people around the world are as bumbling and ill conceived as portrayed here. As able adults we all feed ourselves.

Skeet/Loreto - 2-4-2011 at 09:13 AM

Jesse:

In the past few years there has involved among some of the younger Generation a "Need to be told what to do". This probably comes from the High Schools where each time a kid needs to Wipe his Nose, it takes a couple of Consulars{Govt. Employees}.
As they got older and went to the Universities and received "Spam" from the more Liberal Profs they became addicted to thinking that they had to do what the Authority was telling them.
This is apparent in small Municiplas with the Boards of Alderman controlled by a "City Manager"{Also a Govt Employee.

TV and the Internet brought it to everyone. The use of "Scarey Photos and Stories warning People of different outcomes unless they did what they were told became the Norm.

wessongroup - 2-4-2011 at 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;

Are you a Girl?


Can't say that I agree with Skeet all that often, but the text sure would support the contention.

So, while we are at it, and still intoxicated by a combo of zen and new age babble, someone 'splain to me how it is that Egypt has by far the greatest number of unemplyed college graduates in the world.


Ya mean even more than the 31.5 million unemployed here in the United States... what's the break out on those numbers... tried to read all of your post on that report... put could not find a break down by education...

Was somewhat amazed at the admitted amount of unemployed workers in the United States.. which is always spoken in terms of %, not actual "numbers" of non working folks in the United States.. it doesn't hurt as much when % is used rather than a real number....

As for unemployment, perhaps... the Global Melt down just "pushed" all those in the "vast middle class" which used to exist in Egypt, into the "new class" which we are finding HERE ..... or are 31.5 Million Americans going to be going back to those "jobs" which used to be here... one way or the other....

MitchMan - 2-15-2011 at 09:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Here I am an Addled old Fart with a Couple of Million in my Hip Pocket, a Beautifull Young wife for the past 30 years{As of Feb. 14th} Spent 38 years in Baja Sur and the Sea of Cortez, a 50 Year Freemason, a Shriner, Former Alderman, Pilot, Skier, Cowboy, Investigator, College Degree,
AND HASVE NEVER LOWERED MY SELF TO DOPE


Skeet, I am impressed with with the above, for sure.

Question: Do you drink alcoholic beverages? In your opinion, is there a difference between smoking dope and drinking alcoholic beverages - not in the kind of high nor with regard to the legality of either, but from the moral/immoral perspective of the practice of voluntarily choosing inebriation?

[Edited on 2-15-2011 by MitchMan]

gnukid - 2-15-2011 at 10:13 AM

Interesting that Jesse and the gang point so clearly to an important subject, which is that 'stupid' people in general are being misled by two sides of the same thing, a false battle of brother-sister-like political combat, whose end result is the same, for the same power elite.

Yet while pointing it out, the speaker blames the plebians for their tendency to follow shallow cutout political figures and at the same time professes belief in the system?

This thread touches on the-majority-are-dumb-except-me concept, a arrogant, sanctimonious and pedantic position that posits that it's everyone else at fault, except of course MEEEE! While, a more thorough hashing of this subject would also include these ideas:

Anyone who believes the political system elects representatives is at fault

Anyone who participates is at fault

Anyone who blames others is clearly at fault

I am responsible for what happens around me

If we were to identify a personality trait which serves the political charade it would certainly be the idea that it's everyone else fault 'cept me, and since I am alone in this world I can do nothing to help. The mindset both serves the politic and the individual with a rationale for failure to act in a manner which includes action and responsibility for your community.

On the other hand, wouldn't the societal ideal perception be that everyone is capable of helping the process, everyone is capable of seeing the theatrical mis-leaders being selected by hidden power elites and everyone has infinite capability of being aware and intelligent in their decision making, and infinitely active toward changing the political system toward a more functional method of managers of basic infrastructure and city services?

[Edited on 2-16-2011 by gnukid]

wessongroup - 2-15-2011 at 10:41 AM

Russell Means ... has a standing offer .. renounce citizenship.. and all monies from the Government of the United States ... and one can live forever on the "res"... not sure how "Passports" work for Native American's... living on the "res"

Believe, if one wished to make a personal statement about the government and the controlling "factors" .. it would be the strongest against what is happening... and would, if all applied... make some rather major changes quickly... the results.. well, who knows...

Still thinking... just hate that cold weather...

[Edited on 2-15-2011 by wessongroup]

comitan - 2-15-2011 at 11:30 AM

gnukid

I personally understand your pictures better than your verbalization. :lol::lol:

gnukid - 2-15-2011 at 11:37 AM

Ok, better if I use BN colloquialism?

YO that Jessie is the pot calling the kettle black, yo!

Dude its the system man, its the system-they holding a brother down jack!

Man I was fishing and what not, at that moment I felt free, like really free!


Does that summarize my points compadre?

Or, it's the dam microwave ovens-its controlling der minds!

[Edited on 2-15-2011 by gnukid]

DENNIS - 2-15-2011 at 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid

Does that summarize my points compadre?


It probably does, but I'm not sure.

Who exhumed this thread anyway?? :lol:

gnukid - 2-15-2011 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Russell Means ... has a standing offer .. renounce citizenship.. and all monies from the Government of the United States ... and one can live forever on the "res"... not sure how "Passports" work for Native American's... living on the "res"

Believe, if one wished to make a personal statement about the government and the controlling "factors" .. it would be the strongest against what is happening... and would, if all applied... make some rather major changes quickly... the results.. well, who knows...

Still thinking... just hate that cold weather...

[Edited on 2-15-2011 by wessongroup]


I'm struck by the clarity of this post-thank you for excellent writing!
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