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update to US Immigration official killed, another wounded

gnukid - 2-17-2011 at 09:25 PM

US Immigration official killed, another wounded

Various reports have come out about two ICE agents shot in in Mexico. Sorry for including so many links-the story is vague and the details are changing.

ICE Agents Shot in Mexico Were Targeted
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/0...

Local examiner refused to conduct autopsy of slain agent
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7431598.htm...

Pentagon Fingered as a Source of Narco-Firepower in Mexico
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/0...

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/02/ice-agents-shot-in-mex...

Questions:

Why is a US envoy plated vehicle traveling long distance across a foreign country unarmed and without escort as policy? Is this uncharacteristic?

Why did the coroner refuse to perform an autopsy? When has this happened before?

How did the passenger roll down the window and the driver manage to not have any shots hit his window while being fired upon through an open window with AK47 gun inside the car-nor was door hit, (later its reported passenger Avila had two shots in the leg) and survive? The windows were bullet proof and the vehicle was armored.

What does counterinsurgency (COIN) look like?
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/erin-rosa/2011/02/...

Now its reported the 15 attackers tried to pull the agents from the car-yet Avila survived.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7430922.htm...


The surviving officer was reported to have flown to Houston wednesday and was released wednesday afternoon. The officer who died arrived at Houston Wednesday night? Why didn't they arrive together?

Do any other questions or ideas come to mind to you?


[Edited on 2-18-2011 by gnukid]

Cypress - 2-18-2011 at 06:22 AM

The ICE agents aren't allowed to carry firearms in Mexico. Seems the Mexican govt. is afraid someone might get shot. WTF? Someone might get shot in Mexico? Imagine that!:O

Loretana - 2-18-2011 at 10:38 AM

This article about the incident is in today's Wall Street Journal.



<<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704546704576150793315127846.html>>

It does offer some further details.

Cypress - 2-18-2011 at 10:46 AM

Don't let those gringos have guns, they might shoot someone. :o

Project Gunwalker

bajadock - 2-18-2011 at 11:38 AM

Related story is about Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms involvement in supplying guns to Mexico. Project Gunwalker has Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley asking questions.

Cypress - 2-18-2011 at 02:32 PM

gnukid, You don't need to apologize for being honest.

monoloco - 2-18-2011 at 03:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Quote:
Originally posted by Loretana
This article about the incident is in today's Wall Street Journal.



<<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704546704576150793315127846.html>>

It does offer some further details.


From my reading this article isn't reporting, it's entirely a farce, insinuations about what was in the mind of the alleged shooters, this is not a report as much as a theatrical written interpretation and its not based on facts-more like a conversation on BN between campers arguing about what is in the mind of a turtle.

From the WSJ article, which we can assume is authorized and approved by top officials as is SOP, that the observed intent of the story is a psychological operation for counter intelligence operations in order to achieve a greater goal than can be achieved with actual hand to hand warfare, a more efficient form of warfare-which is the policy of COIN our geo-political strategy. The result is to cause broad trauma, insecurity, fuel the chaos and further destabilize both regions by reducing confidence in their security forces. Through this hegelian dialect, problem-reaction-solution, they cause the problem-they offer the solution. As old of a competitive strategy that ever existed, to beat the enemy, to be smarter than the enemy, be the enemy otherwise known as controlled opposition.

To the readers here, I apologize for being long winded, again, but these actions, the reported tragedy, the reporting, they are all so transparent, these COIN self-defeating strategies will only end, if and when the people join in a coalition and end these tyrannical policies, or through the achievement of the intended goal, massive collective global tyranny.



[Edited on 2-18-2011 by gnukid]
The intended goal is massive profits for the military/security complex. Here's a good editorial from today:http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02182011.html

[Edited on 2-18-2011 by monoloco]

Bajahowodd - 2-18-2011 at 04:00 PM

What is happening is so sad. Problem is that the US has crafted and perfected the ultimate spin machine that has been ever so successful in getting so many people to vote against their own best interests. DOD meets Wall Street meets Madison Avenue.

As for a revolution here, it just seems to me that the erosion of middle class wealth and the erosion of fundamental liberties has been accomplished so gradually, while all the while brainwashing people with wedge issues, that the tipping point toward domestic revolution is still a long ways off. JMO

DENNIS - 2-18-2011 at 04:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As for a revolution here,


Aside from your well mentioned point, who would the "people" of Mexico revolt against at this point....the government..or the Cartels?
It is as was said it would be...the Cartels are running those who run the country...ergo, the Cartels are running the country.

Anybody wanna buy a house..cheap??

I'm running four inch tubing under my post 'n pier casa to load with gas for the final bye bye.

Cypress - 2-18-2011 at 04:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
As for a revolution here,


Aside from your well mentioned point, who would the "people" of Mexico revolt against at this point....the government..or the Cartels?
It is as was said it would be...the Cartels are running those who run the country...ergo, the Cartels are running the country.

Anybody wanna buy a house..cheap??

I'm running four inch tubing under my post 'n pier casa to load with gas for the final bye bye.

toneart - 2-18-2011 at 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What is happening is so sad. Problem is that the US has crafted and perfected the ultimate spin machine that has been ever so successful in getting so many people to vote against their own best interests. DOD meets Wall Street meets Madison Avenue.

As for a revolution here, it just seems to me that the erosion of middle class wealth and the erosion of fundamental liberties has been accomplished so gradually, while all the while brainwashing people with wedge issues, that the tipping point toward domestic revolution is still a long ways off. JMO


Those who aren't blinded and stuck in their 1950s ideology are starting to awake from their slumber as these events unfold. But it may already be too late. The power is done grabbed. It's a "Global" thang. They sat Obama down early on and told him under no uncertain terms who's his boss.

As individual wealth disappears, the emasculated are going to do what?... roam the streets like zombies and shake sticks at the mightiest, most destructive war machine the world has ever seen?

Stocks? The insiders 've got that rigged and they know just when to pull the plug. IRAs? Ha! Houses? Ha! Bank loans? Ha! Pensions? Ha! Jobs? Ha! Y'all 've voted in the crooks who have robbed you blind. Do you still feel represented? Just wait. Humble pie is getting cold but you will still be forced to eat it. It's blatant, and it is here!! The charade is over.

We live in a so-called "Republic", and yet, the irony is that regardless of your ideology, none of us are represented.:(

Cypress - 2-18-2011 at 06:29 PM

toneart, You're right. Too bad. Gonna get real interesting in the next year or so.:D

One Thing is Certain

MrBillM - 2-18-2011 at 08:52 PM

AND Inevitable.

The TRUE Story of EVERY one of these events is ALWAYS some sort of Conspiracy involving Government misinformation known ONLY to the Gnus.

Likely as a result of Confidential sources within the Masonic Hierarchy of Illuminatis unavailable to lesser beings.

gnukid - 2-18-2011 at 09:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
AND Inevitable.

The TRUE Story of EVERY one of these events is ALWAYS some sort of Conspiracy involving Government misinformation known ONLY to the Gnus.

Likely as a result of Confidential sources within the Masonic Hierarchy of Illuminatis unavailable to lesser beings.


Conversely, there is no such thing as a conspiracy, all geopolitical events happen by accident.

BajaBruno - 2-19-2011 at 12:10 AM

Thoughtful questions, Gnukid. I have no definitive answers, since I wasn't there, but a few informed guesses.

Questions:

1. Why is a US envoy plated vehicle traveling long distance across a foreign country unarmed and without escort as policy? Is this uncharacteristic?

a) As mentioned above, US law enforcement is not allowed to carry guns in Mexico, even if working closely with Mexican LE.

2. Why did the coroner refuse to perform an autopsy? When has this happened before?

a) The Harris County medical examiner seemed to have a reasonable reason--state law prohibits doing a post mortum on a body recovered outside the US. The appropriate examiner was one employed by the US government.

3. How did the passenger roll down the window and the driver manage to not have any shots hit his window while being fired upon through an open window with AK47 gun inside the car-nor was door hit, (later its reported passenger Avila had two shots in the leg) and survive? The windows were bullet proof and the vehicle was armored.

a) The WSJ article posted by Loretana says that the Suburban automatically unlocks the doors rolls the windows down slightly when the vehicle stops. From personal experience, I know that this function is user programmable and was obviously a serious oversight by the two officers operating the vehicle.

b) If the attackers were using solid bullets, which they supposedly have access to, then they should easily penetrate even hardened car windows, but that was unlikely not an issue because the window was reportedly open enough for someone to stick a gun barrel into the vehicle and shoot.

The gov't seems to be surprisingly forthright about quickly releasing detailed information on this case, which has only one badly injured witness. The motivations of the attackers may be known only much later, and we may know only when, and if, one or more are drug back to the US for trial.

All-Knowing and All-Seeing

MrBillM - 2-19-2011 at 01:06 PM

There are NO random Geopolitical Happenings.

ALL are planned and implemented by an Elite Cabal of International Bankers meeting secretly in an Undisclosed Fortified location wherein they engage in Ritual Exchanges and Conspire to Manipulate World Events to Enhance their Power, Enrich themselves and their Minions while plotting to Enslave the rest of us.

This latest Contrived Encounter was OBVIOUSLY intended to abet that process. ALL of the clues are there (encoded, of course) for those with Enlightened (Divine ?) Gnu Knowledge to Decipher.

For which those of us among the uninitiated should be eternally Thankful.


[Edited on 2-19-2011 by MrBillM]

Cypress - 2-19-2011 at 01:12 PM

The supervisors that sent those guys down there ought to be held accountable. WTF were they thinking? Oh yea, thinking. Evidently that's not a job requirement.

Barry A. - 2-19-2011 at 01:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What is happening is so sad. Problem is that the US has crafted and perfected the ultimate spin machine that has been ever so successful in getting so many people to vote against their own best interests. DOD meets Wall Street meets Madison Avenue.

As for a revolution here, it just seems to me that the erosion of middle class wealth and the erosion of fundamental liberties has been accomplished so gradually, while all the while brainwashing people with wedge issues, that the tipping point toward domestic revolution is still a long ways off. JMO


Those who aren't blinded and stuck in their 1950s ideology are starting to awake from their slumber as these events unfold. But it may already be too late. The power is done grabbed. It's a "Global" thang. They sat Obama down early on and told him under no uncertain terms who's his boss.

As individual wealth disappears, the emasculated are going to do what?... roam the streets like zombies and shake sticks at the mightiest, most destructive war machine the world has ever seen?

Stocks? The insiders 've got that rigged and they know just when to pull the plug. IRAs? Ha! Houses? Ha! Bank loans? Ha! Pensions? Ha! Jobs? Ha! Y'all 've voted in the crooks who have robbed you blind. Do you still feel represented? Just wait. Humble pie is getting cold but you will still be forced to eat it. It's blatant, and it is here!! The charade is over.

We live in a so-called "Republic", and yet, the irony is that regardless of your ideology, none of us are represented.:(


About 4 months ago our portfolios & ROTH'S reached "totally recovered" from the March 2009 lows, and have gone on to bigger and better profits. We stayed the course thru it all, so "buy and hold" worked for us (with a few adjustments) as usual, despite what you hear from the pundits, & others. History repeats itself, once again!! We were "down" about 53% at it's worse in March '09. Scary!!!

Just think what I could have earned if I had been "in the know" with the "cabal". :lol:

Barry

Being IN THE KNOW with GNU

MrBillM - 2-19-2011 at 03:58 PM

It "Might" be worthwhile to contact Gnu and Humbly Ask for his Guidance and Wisdom. Given his Wisdom and access to the Mysterious Inner Workings of the Cabal, he would likely have Advance Information regarding events about to be implemented. Such knowledge could be invaluable in the World Economic Market.

However, it might be a violation of his Blood Oath to use that Exalted Gnostic Insight for Financial Benefit.

You could ask though. Perhaps a willingness to participate in a Sacred Initiation ceremony would make you worthy.

toneart - 2-19-2011 at 06:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What is happening is so sad. Problem is that the US has crafted and perfected the ultimate spin machine that has been ever so successful in getting so many people to vote against their own best interests. DOD meets Wall Street meets Madison Avenue.

As for a revolution here, it just seems to me that the erosion of middle class wealth and the erosion of fundamental liberties has been accomplished so gradually, while all the while brainwashing people with wedge issues, that the tipping point toward domestic revolution is still a long ways off. JMO


Those who aren't blinded and stuck in their 1950s ideology are starting to awake from their slumber as these events unfold. But it may already be too late. The power is done grabbed. It's a "Global" thang. They sat Obama down early on and told him under no uncertain terms who's his boss.

As individual wealth disappears, the emasculated are going to do what?... roam the streets like zombies and shake sticks at the mightiest, most destructive war machine the world has ever seen?

Stocks? The insiders 've got that rigged and they know just when to pull the plug. IRAs? Ha! Houses? Ha! Bank loans? Ha! Pensions? Ha! Jobs? Ha! Y'all 've voted in the crooks who have robbed you blind. Do you still feel represented? Just wait. Humble pie is getting cold but you will still be forced to eat it. It's blatant, and it is here!! The charade is over.

We live in a so-called "Republic", and yet, the irony is that regardless of your ideology, none of us are represented.:(


About 4 months ago our portfolios & ROTH'S reached "totally recovered" from the March 2009 lows, and have gone on to bigger and better profits. We stayed the course thru it all, so "buy and hold" worked for us (with a few adjustments) as usual, despite what you hear from the pundits, & others. History repeats itself, once again!! We were "down" about 53% at it's worse in March '09. Scary!!!

Just think what I could have earned if I had been "in the know" with the "cabal". :lol:

Barry


Of course, Barry. You and the market have made a marvelous recovery. I would be starting to get a tad uncomfortable about now though. :)

Barry A. - 2-19-2011 at 06:36 PM

Dow 14,000 by the end of this year, Tony. (may be a few pull backs between now and then, tho) :)

(I am now 45% overseas, just in case) :o

Barry

woody with a view - 2-19-2011 at 06:44 PM

minerals and oil are my friends....

Is There The Need to Know or No ?

MrBillM - 2-19-2011 at 07:57 PM

Or, Simply to Know those IN the KNOW ?

Fortunately, with all that is going on, it isn't necessary for ALL of us to KNOW as Long as the Enlightened Gnus Know.

And, in agonizing, painstaking detail verbosely share the Know so that We CAN know what we didn't know.

For which we can Truly be Thankful.

I KNOW that I am.

woody with a view - 2-20-2011 at 06:42 AM

"yes we can" "shovel ready" "transparency at all levels"

i'm still waiting.....

I Know, I Know.

MrBillM - 2-20-2011 at 11:45 AM

That Only a select few can really KNOW the Important (and Secret) things to KNOW.

But, We KNOW that they'll continue to share what they KNOW so there's NO danger that we won't KNOW as a result.

OH, I KNOW.

Just Say KNOW ?

Cypress - 2-20-2011 at 12:35 PM

There's no excuse for sending our people into harms way without the means to defend themselves. Next step? Send the people that ordered them down. Let 'em stay there for a 12 month tour.:fire: If the Mexican govt. doesn't trust US citizens with guns cancel all aid to Mexico. The cartels are funding this travesty of a govt.

DENNIS - 2-20-2011 at 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
There's no excuse for sending our people into harms way without the means to defend themselves. Next step? Send the people that ordered them down. Let 'em stay there for a 12 month tour.:fire: If the Mexican govt. doesn't trust US citizens with guns cancel all aid to Mexico. The cartels are funding this travesty of a govt.


That would be fun to watch, but probably won't be happening any time soon.

That said, I only just now scanned this thread and don't believe I saw mention of the obvious fact that these two agents were given up by someone. Is that the consiracy people are talking about? If not...it should be.

woody with a view - 2-20-2011 at 01:04 PM

i thought i read they were in a consulet plated vehicle? tourist don't drive around in official vehicles. dea, cia, do.

DENNIS - 2-20-2011 at 02:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
i thought i read they were in a consulet plated vehicle? tourist don't drive around in official vehicles. dea, cia, do.


It just didn't sound like a random hit to me.

No Gun - No Go ?

MrBillM - 2-20-2011 at 04:21 PM

A couple of years back, having a military Law-Enforcement background along with experience as a County and local police-officer, my youngest son (from the previous marriage), was offered the opportunity to go to Iraq as a Private Contract Law-Enforcement Instructor. Exceptional Wage and Benefits Package along with Secure(?) Housing.

Seriously considering it, He was told he would be supplied with a Full-time Bodyguard, but that he wouldn't be allowed to carry a personal firearm at any time.

No Deal.

Good Move.

Bajahowodd - 2-20-2011 at 04:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
i thought i read they were in a consulet plated vehicle? tourist don't drive around in official vehicles. dea, cia, do.


It just didn't sound like a random hit to me.


Random? Heck no! It was perpetrated by Scientologists!:lol::lol:

DENNIS - 2-20-2011 at 05:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Random? Heck no! It was perpetrated by Scientologists!:lol::lol:


What could be more random than Tom Cruise or Kirstie Alley?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/07/alg_kristie_all...

http://blog.beliefnet.com/beyondblue/imgs/tom%20cruise.jpg

Bajahowodd - 2-20-2011 at 05:19 PM

It's curious to me that it would appear that the vast membership of Scientology consists of media and artistic folks. Is this the new Masons?

And, deepest apologies to oldlady in that her favorite newsie is GretaVanwhosits.:P


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists

Conspiratorial Alliances ?

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 10:52 AM

Could there be such an Alliance between the Masons and the Scientologists ? Both guided by the Secret International Banking Cartel located in the Basement of the Federal Reserve ?

Since it's a secret, I guess we won't know.

gnukid - 2-21-2011 at 11:19 AM

Jesuits/Vatican/Illuminati/Masons/Royals-Circles within Circles of Influence or Incompetence

Thanks MrBill for pointing out that incompetence explains a lot.

Does anyone else notice that MrBills posts look like Skeets posts? Conspiracy or Incompetence?

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 11:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Jesuits/Vatican/Illuminati/Masons/Royals-Circles within Circles of Influence or Incompetence

Thanks MrBill for pointing out that incompetence explains a lot.

Does anyone else notice that MrBills posts look like Skeets posts? Conspiracy or Incompetence?


Neither--------just realistic.

Barry

A Texas Conspiracy ?

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 12:53 PM

Nah, I'm from California.

And, I'm not sure that Skeet "could" be involved in any sort of conspiracy without forgetting what the point was. Unless it involved "Nekkid Kids on Drugs".

Being a Texican, you might ask Skeet about the JFK conspiracy, though. He May have been there on the Grassy Knoll.

As a Spectator, of course.

here they come

bajaguy - 2-21-2011 at 12:54 PM

I hear the black helicopters...........

Black Helicopters

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 12:55 PM

FILLED with Conspiratorial CATHOLICS ?

NOW, that's Worrisome.

Glad we've got a GNU Warning system.

Without Gnu and G. Edward Griffin What would we do ?

Maybe, Gnu IS Griffin ?

[Edited on 2-21-2011 by MrBillM]

DENNIS - 2-21-2011 at 02:08 PM

Are those consulate vehicles immune from search and harrasment by local authorities? If so, why wasn't it packed with weapons?
This whole story stinks.

monoloco - 2-21-2011 at 04:54 PM

And I thought that the Catholic church was just a club for cross dressers funded by the poor and ignorant.

Evidence of Conspiracy ?

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 04:56 PM

Since MOST of those Mexican Bad Guys are ALSO Catholics, that "may" be further evidence of a Conspiracy Instigated, Endorsed and Manipulated from the Dark recesses of the Vatican.

Otherwise, I would think it "might" be a Zionist Conspiracy, given ALL of the Evidence there for those who know the True Path to Enlightenment.

Maybe, They're working together for an axis of JOINT World Domination between Rome and Jerusalem.

THAT would be a Brilliant misdirection Tactic.

Hopefully, we'll hear further Gnus-News.

Bajahowodd - 2-21-2011 at 05:21 PM

The world is full of lapsed Catholics. Are those the ones to whom you refer?

On a slightly different note, I was wondering if gnukid has ever visited the Vatican. Just wondering. It can be quite entertaining.

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 05:24 PM

Stated Gnu sources: "These are things I've learned on the dusty arroyos in Baja from Ranchers and Fisherman."

I too always seek my world news and views from "ranchers and Fishermen" in Baja, don't we all???

I see the light-----------------finally. Thanks, Gnu, for watching our backs.

Hmmmmmmmm, Catholics, et al are the enemy-------- I am still having a little problem with that--------especially since most Baja "Ranchers and Fishermen" are catholics?!?!?!?!?

-----but I will watch more carefully now--------

Barry

DENNIS - 2-21-2011 at 05:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The world is full of lapsed Catholics.



They arn't all lapsed. Some are enjoying a prolonged period of skepticism. It may not be before they are confined to their death bed, but they'll be back. Count on it.

Bajahowodd - 2-21-2011 at 05:31 PM

In my own humble opinion, the lure of Christianity, including Catholics, is that one may repent on their deathbed. Sorta works against living a righteous life, no? Kinda easy to be a world class turd knowing in the back of your mind, all you need to do is say you're sorry. A significant departure in Islam, is that you cannot do that. You screw up and you are toast. No entry into heaven. That's a fundamental reason why I am so upset over the current fervor against Islam when, in fact, the people doing the bad stuff are renegades; a prominent but clear minority. Kinda like the pedophile priests, eh?

gnukid - 2-21-2011 at 05:35 PM

BarryA, Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

I am ambivalent and agnostic, tolerant of diversity in religious belief, however, that does not change the world history which is well known, unless you live in a fishbowl.

If you are ignorant of the workings of any of aforementioned groups, do yourown research about their history which is fact not opinion.

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 05:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In my own humble opinion, the lure of Christianity, including Catholics, is that one may repent on their deathbed. Sorta works against living a righteous life, no? Kinda easy to be a world class turd knowing in the back of your mind, all you need to do is say you're sorry. A significant departure in Islam, is that you cannot do that. You screw up and you are toast. No entry into heaven. That's a fundamental reason why I am so upset over the current fervor against Islam when, in fact, the people doing the bad stuff are renegades; a prominent but clear minority. Kinda like the pedophile priests, eh?


-----and to me the Catholic's should be outraged and vocal about it, as should the "peaceful" Muslims. It is this lack of outrage that is most ominous to me, in both cases.

Barry

DENNIS - 2-21-2011 at 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In my own humble opinion, the lure of Christianity, including Catholics, is that one may repent on their deathbed. Sorta works against living a righteous life, no?


Well, since gambling is an immoral pastime, it would be distasteful to bet one's demise would take place in a convenient bed and there ain't no confessionals underneith a speeding bus. :no:

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 05:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
BarryA, Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

I am ambivalent and agnostic, tolerant of diversity in religious belief, however, that does not change the world history which is well known, unless you live in a fishbowl.

If you are ignorant of the workings of any of aforementioned groups, do yourown research about their history which is fact not opinion.


I am not ignorant about the "workings" of most of these groups, but I also realize that all "groups" try to influence what is going on, but most are at best barely relevant, so don't pay them much attention.

I believe that you are sincere, Gnu, but I just don't see most (or all) of your warnings as significant, but it is interesting, I will admit.

PS ----Gnu-------see the "NOMADS PICTURES of them selves" thread to get a hint of my gender orientation. :tumble:

Barry

[Edited on 2-22-2011 by Barry A.]

DENNIS - 2-21-2011 at 05:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
I believe that you are sincere, Gnu, but I just don't see most (or all) of your warnings as significant, but it is interesting, I will admit.

Barry


Interesting for sure. If others would, or could, develop the passion that Gnu puts into his convictions, the world would be even more interesting.

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 06:30 PM

Thanks, Gnu, but sorta "been there, done that" as I was a History Minor in college (SDSU-Geography Major), but even so I do appreciate your points, many of which I was not aware of. You do not offend me, and I hope I don't offend you----------Dennis had a very good point above in that you certainly do your homework, keeping things interesting, and for that I commend you. Lots to think about.

Barry

woody with a view - 2-21-2011 at 06:50 PM

first tunisia, now libya, next is spain.

when gas is $7 in the next two years who's head is gonna roll here?

Gnuing the Secret Knowledge

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 08:01 PM

The Gnu reminds me of some devout JBS Oddities I've known locally. They were (are) similar in their rabid conviction that THEY have a unique insight into an Overpowering Universal Conspiratorial World Scheme wherein events are NEVER what they seem or what WE, the Uninformed, Think they are as a result of our brainwashing at the hands of the International Banking Cartel who have enslaved us via the Federal Reserve or The Vatican, Zionists, Whatever.

And, in common with those Welchies, HE is convinced it's because WE others haven't properly educated ourselves to the Dark Plots which explain those events. Explained, of course, by a select few such as Griffin who (somehow) have the gift of discovering what most others can't seem to.

To their credit (I suppose) they have an unbelievable dedication to their "Enlightened" cause and will drumbeat endlessly without being deterred. You can be discussing the price of Milk and they'll invariably find a way to connect it with those conspiracies. There's one local Businessman whose front counter is filled with JBS literature and who cheerfully harangues every customer with his philosophy at every opportunity.

While I'm not saying that the Gnu Guru is one of those JBS Zealots, the rhetoric is VERY familiar.

But, there is hope for us all if Somehow we can be properly Indoctrinated "er" Educated with the Gnu True.

? Los Dos Pilotos ?

Does the "Let's get the "F" out of Dodge (Libya, in this case) while we can" flight to Malta have some special significance in the International Conspiracy ? Maybe they wanted to be Knights. Maybe they wanted to keep living.

Are there still any "Knights" in Malta ? During the Night ? Or day ?

Are they still guarding the Chalice ?

How about the Maltese Falcon ? Or, did Sydney Greenstreet finally get hold of it ?

Maybe, they were confused and "Thought" Malta was the place to go for a Good Malted.

Given their options i.e. Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Chad, Niger, THE Sudan, Crete (depending on fuel supply), maybe Malta was the best choice.

Nah, it's GOT to be explained by some darker theory.



[Edited on 2-22-2011 by MrBillM]

Thank U Gnu

MrBillM - 2-21-2011 at 08:48 PM

Take it from me, It's not EASY hiding things out in the Open.

One problem is that you are likely to keep tripping over them. I don't, of course, because I Hid them, but an indication that I am VERY successful at hiding them is that mi esposa is CONSTANTLY tripping over "Apparently" nothing, but it's REALLY the things I've been hiding. I don't tell her, of course. Why hide them if you're going to let people know.

BTW, I've noted this before, BUT I'm following religious precedent when I Capitalize words.

Martin Luther Capitalized whatever he thought important. If it's good enough for Luther, it's good enough for me.

"Gimme that old time Religion".

Gnu's confused, though. HE is the KNOW Claimant, No Me !

I'm a Cynical Skeptic until shown different.

Well, except for the "Magic Bullet", But who would believe Arlen Spectre ? Scepter ? Sphincter ? Whatever.

AND, the 100 mpg engine. We KNOW that it's REALLY real and the Oil companies are hiding it, but NOT in the open.

Which is a good thing. Imagine running into stuff like that at 60mph.

gnukid - 2-21-2011 at 09:11 PM

While the comments here are revealing as well as misdirecting, let's return to the most important question for each of us:

Do you believe in defending freedom of speech, freedom of religion and rule of common law?

Now matter what system, nation or religion, are these values that you subscribe to and swear allegiance to?



[Edited on 2-22-2011 by gnukid]

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 11:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Ok Barry, perfect example, you protest yet won't do the homework and instead take two paths, one is to blame/ridicule me for world history, suggesting this is personal, and second suggest that it is really irrelevant and you already know anyway. You make the point too clearly, your programmed response is exactly the effective and efficient programmed response which succeeds in keeping these subjects hidden. Your series of responses clearly illustrate the North American phenomena precisely, why we can't get around these issues, why we can't help ourselves, why we are burying ourselves and fail to be able to reason, think critically and have open rhetorical discussion.

Once more, for your personal health and well being and your family, give yourself a gift, give yourself 15 minutes of research which could save your life and the people around you. Choose any of the subjects we've mentioned and that you've ridiculed and do a little research.

I am certainly no expert, you can find out for yourself, what are we talking about here.

Tell me something about the Vatican Jesuit Order?


Judas Monster!!!!! I give up-------You nailed it, Gnu.

Barry

Conspiratorial Maltese Machinations

MrBillM - 2-22-2011 at 10:48 AM

Glad to get BACK to the Important Questions that can only be answered with Enlightened Insight into the inner workings of the New World Order.

Thanks to Gnu for drawing attention to the "OBVIOUS" Link between the unrest in Libya and the shadowy demonic influences in Malta with the Knights of Malta representing a significant influence on the Middle-Eastern (and hence, the World) Sociopolitical Turmoil.

As a result of this being brought to light, ANOTHER example of the ongoing conspiracy has been made public (to those in the KNOW only, of course).

There is an aggressive covert program being carried out by a Little-Known Wealthy Oligarchy located on the Island of Malta to take control of the World's DAIRY Supply much the same as the Oil Supply.

This Nefarious group is known as: The MALTA MILK SHEIKS.

You heard it here first. But not from Gnu.


[Edited on 2-22-2011 by MrBillM]

DENNIS - 2-22-2011 at 11:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
There is an aggressive covert program being carried out by a Little-Known Wealthy Oligarchy located on the Island of Malta to take control of the World's DAIRY Supply much the same as the Oil Supply.

This Nefarious group is known as: The MALTA MILK SHEIKS.





:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Excellent stuff, Bill. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Misleading Misdirection (by Masons ?)

MrBillM - 2-22-2011 at 11:34 AM

Or THOSE (Catholics and Masons) who really CONTROL the Government ?

I'm eagerly awaiting an update of the relationships between the ChristChurch Crisis, the Somali Pirate Attack and events in Libya.

OBVIOUSLY, the NZ Shake was "Created" to draw attention AWAY from what's happening in the Middle-East. Having seen "Conspiracy Theory" and, thanks to Mel Gibson, I KNOW that the Government can create Earthquakes for political reasons AND, having seen "Three Days of the Condor", Robert Redford made it known that secret Government Geopolitical plans are "Hidden" within obscure publications where the KEYS to KNOWLEDGE are known to a select few.

It's just SO evident IF you properly educate yourself.

Recommended reading on the subject would be Dan Brown's Authoritative works: "The DaVinci Code, Angels and Demons, The Lost Symbol". ALL is revealed.

The truth IS out there.

It may not ALL be due to Extraterrestrial Alien Life Forces that he obsessed over. We KNOW that they are involved to a certain extent and are, at the least, Allied with the Leaders who manipulate daily activities from within the Council on Foreign Relations. A possibly unanswerable question is WHETHER or not those leaders ARE Alien Beings or Chimeras created by those Aliens.

I'm unsure whether the Somali Situation is part of the same or another conspiracy, but I'm sure that Gnu News will be forthcoming.

[Edited on 2-22-2011 by MrBillM]

Cypress - 2-22-2011 at 02:35 PM

They buried the murdered ICE agent today. RIP.

WHY ask WHY ?

MrBillM - 2-22-2011 at 03:24 PM

Muy Importante ? No, pero una poca diversión.

I'm not busily working to "Defeat" ANYTHING, but I AM having a Hell of a Good Time now and then during the day and the price of admission is right despite the fact that I'm sore all over at the moment from an earlier misadventure digging fence postholes. I'm speculating that the sink hole I stepped into on the Rain/Snow softened ground may have actually been a trap set by someone from the CFR, but maybe not. Could have been a Ground-Squirrel tunnel. One is as likely as the other, I suppose.

Writing in response to Gnu's obsessive self-important realization delusions in the most original (and acerbic) words I can think of on the spot is GREAT Recreation.

ANYONE who thinks I'm Seriously trying to compete with the GNU News for the Hearts and Minds of Nomadia is just so much more deluded than I ever thought.

Having read endlessly Gnu's view of the Vast Tentacles of Conspiracy surrounding us all each moment of the Day and Night, I realize that HE takes this whole nonsense seriously, but I really doubt more than a few Oddities here are Simpatico, although there may be a few Welchies hiding here and there expecting the Agents of Danger to come rappelling down (or parachuting) at any moment to haul them off for Re-Education Therapy in the dark dungeons beneath the Federal Reserve.

OK, enough of the Therapeutic Creativity, I'm taking some Advil and heading out to Home Depot for more Fencing materials.

But, I'm not going Far AND "I SHALL Return".

Home, not the Philippines.

gnukid - 2-22-2011 at 03:41 PM

I don't think we should be so naive about MrBill. There is intent, purpose, plan, method, his posts are much like many others here, quite similar in style to Skeet for example. And yo'll note he has an echo in BarryA.

More importantly, you'll note each time the group get closer to having a discussion which isn't highly emotionally reactionary, idiotic and divisive MrBill steps in to push buttons and divert away from rational thought toward emotional irrational thought.

His post are patternistic, methodical and not at all naive, each post is highly crafted with a purpose which is to mislead and misdirect.

Regardless of this discussion, regardless of pushing buttons, regardless of emotion, I urge the community to begin to consider a less naive perspective about world wide events. If you love yourself and your family give yourself 15 minutes a day to do research about one topic you choose, consider a encyclopedia as a second source, and choose as many sources as you can find, at least seven sources, become an expert without emotion, then consider that issue in line with other worldwide issues and it's relationship. Hopefully you will save yourself some wasted time on internet forums taking potshots and you will gain a critical view which is quite different than you would get from TV, newspapers and others opinions.

Have fun!

mtgoat666 - 2-22-2011 at 03:48 PM

malta, jesuits, black pope, masons, trilateral commission, black ops helicopters, new world order,...

sarah palin is a pentacostal and speaks in tongues, wrastles snakes in a trance.

barack is a fanatical muslim sleeper agent of darkness, or a socialist, whichever you think worse.

global warming is real! global warming is false! who am i to believe!?

newkid apparently does not work at any job. he wakes each day to a bong hit, then spends the day kite boarding or lounging on (daddy's?) yacht. is newkid a drug smuggler? who is newkids sugar daddy or sugar momma?

many things are possible. it says so on the internet!

gnukid - 2-22-2011 at 04:11 PM

Here's a suggestion to the community, turn off the TV, after about 3 weeks if you take a look again you'll have a different perspective, you'll notice a very theatrical aspect to TV 'news' and see it's not news. Words are enunciated and weighted in a very specific manner, the reports will have a quite similar tone and rythym on major channels like the BBC-avoid major networks-they do not report, they're actors who read a script which is a theatrical promotion-it's not news. Instead choose local news sources in your language, if you want to know about egypt go to an egyptian english source.

Also, install reverse osmosis filters on your water systems and stop using flouride based toothpaste. You'll soon notice that you feel different, think clearer and are able to speak more clearly. Flouride is a chemical byproduct and a poison and should not be ingested.

Take the time to eat the freshest vegetables you can find, learn to grow your own garden. Vegetables vitamins gradually are reduced the moment they are harvested, the fresher the better. Choose a variety of vegetables such as sprouts, spinach, broccoli, cilantro, beans, citrus, berries etc... Choose sources that are local and the most fresh you can find.

Take care of yourself, tune up, take a walk and get some exercise.

Take your time, be calm, and avoid taking an emotional approach to news and world events.

Have fun with it and keep the dialogue open while maintaining your own point of view.


[Edited on 2-22-2011 by gnukid]

Barry A. - 2-22-2011 at 04:34 PM

Talking about MrBill------"an echo in BarryA"-------you say------ I like that, Gnu!!!

Yes, I confess I have no original ideas on the subjects, only selected "echo's" of what I see and hear, from those I respect and tend to agree with. I do wish I was a seer, but alas, I am not.

I like some of your life-style comments, tho Gnu------right on!!!

Life is good-----life is good. :bounce:

Barry

mtgoat666 - 2-22-2011 at 05:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
install reverse osmosis filters on your water systems and stop using flouride based toothpaste. You'll soon notice that you feel different, think clearer and are able to speak more clearly. Flouride is a chemical byproduct and a poison and should not be ingested.


:lol::lol:

p.s. "byproduct" of what?

gnukid - 2-22-2011 at 06:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

:lol::lol:

p.s. "byproduct" of what?


Facts about how flouride is produced are readily available. Do your homework, take an interest in your health.

Flouride was a byproduct of aluminum, copper and iron manufacturing produced as sodium flouride. Flouride is also a byproduct of phosphate fertilizer production and other manufacturing processes. Silicaflouride is flouride + silicon.

Flouride may be added to many water supplies, most bottled water, salt, milk, and of course most brands of toothpaste.

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Your body has no requirement for flouride while it is in fact a toxin to your body. With it added to many products, it's difficult to manage your intake to know what level of toxicity your body has. One thing you can be certain of is that you are less able to think clearly and your health is compromised the more you ingest. Reduce your intake and see if you feel better, presumably you may gain back intelligence points, reduce your likelihood of alzheimers and improve your health.

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How does this relate to this subject: If most people are poisoned by flouride, and apparently they are, then it would explain why many people in general seem to forget, be unaware or are unable to discuss coherently and calmly common subjects, such as the influence of the Jesuit order also known as the Knights of Malta, a significant order of the Vatican who members influence foreign policy, military, business and Baja's past and present. The Jesuit order is a subject that was generally covered in every 4th grade elementary school as well as in junior high and highschool in North America and presumably in many parts of the world. Remember?>>

Nor would poisoned public be able to discuss critical and absurd details of the case of the ICE agents being shot noted in this thread.



[Edited on 2-23-2011 by gnukid]

Cypress - 2-22-2011 at 06:49 PM

The FDA ordered the reduction of flouride added to water supplies. The existing flouride levels were too high and producing white spots on childrens teeth.

DENNIS - 2-22-2011 at 06:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
The FDA ordered the reduction of flouride added to water supplies. The existing flouride levels were too high and producing white spots on childrens teeth.



They must have lowered the dosage here. The kids used to have mottled, brown stained teeth from too much Flouride.

http://water.me.vccs.edu/waterplant/stain.gif

Patternistic Pattering ?

MrBillM - 2-22-2011 at 07:52 PM

Propitiously Presented to Pre-empt and Pollute Promotion of Gnu Profundity and Political Prognostication in Profusion ?

A Bill and Barry Banter Bout to Battle Gnu Nattering ?

Seriously, though, what does Gnu know that we Fear ? Are we Seriously Serving Skeptical Suggestions to Scour, Skewer or Scourge Specious Spouting of Gnu's Seven Scholarly Sources Solution to Unlock the Secret Society Severe Slavery Scheme ?

It is a Paradox of P****** Proportion and a Paradigm of great Possibility.

A Conundrum for Consideration.

But, as a mystery to be solved it Fails to Fulfill the Foreboding Forays into the Field of Flouride and its connection to Dwight D. Eisenhower's willing participation as a tool of the Communist Conspiracy.

So Many Conspiracies, so Little Time.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

On a far more serious level, I'm attempting to deal with a fairly large Tree Stump (16" Diameter with Roots going God Knows how far) in my Backyard. It needs to be at least three inches BELOW ground level to pour a Pad on top. Today, I resorted to Drilling 1/2 inch holes in the face of the stump, dousing it in Kerosene and setting fire to it finally quitting when the wind picked up. At the rate it burned, I'll be long gone before it is. Barring explosives, it seems like the most productive solution so far, though.

[Edited on 2-23-2011 by MrBillM]

Tools of the Mendacious Enslavers

MrBillM - 2-22-2011 at 08:27 PM

I have to admit that using Flouride to accomplish World Domination is pretty Clever.

bajatravelergeorge - 2-22-2011 at 08:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
They buried the murdered ICE agent today. RIP.


Yahoo had posted an article about the memorial service on its latest news slot but when the comments went postal about the administration officials who spoke at the funeral, Yahoo dumped the article into never never land. I've never heard so many peeed off people in a yahoo comments section before.

Marc - 2-22-2011 at 10:37 PM

FUBAR

monoloco - 2-24-2011 at 09:44 AM

Here's another example of how the government uses psy ops on our own people to push an agenda:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/another-runaway-general-army-deploys-psy-ops-on-u-s-senators-20110223?page=1

Rolling Stoned ?

MrBillM - 2-24-2011 at 10:27 AM

Now, THERE'S an Authoritative Source.

DENNIS - 2-24-2011 at 10:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Now, THERE'S an Authoritative Source.


They can do some real research and reporting. They gave us the story about General McCrystal that ended his career.
I liked the General. All he wanted to do was fight. Too bad he lost control of his mouth.

captkw - 2-24-2011 at 11:10 AM

here is a site the I think anyone would like to check and search around on!! www.wanttoknow.info spend a little time and learn a lot,,,power is learning

durrelllrobert - 2-24-2011 at 12:05 PM

So this is all you have to do to become an expert (at any subject you choose?) according to the Gnukid:
...give yourself 15 minutes a day to do research about one topic you choose, consider a encyclopedia as a second source, and choose as many sources as you can find, at least seven sources, become an expert without emotion
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

toneart - 2-24-2011 at 03:25 PM

War is a mega-profitable industry! It serves the Oligarchy. Don't expect our politicians and weapons manufacturers to end them anytime soon.

The whole U.S. Immigration agent killing doesn't add up. Also, be very skeptical that whatever scapegoat Mexico apprehends had anything to do with it.

As for Fluoride...Don't brush your teeth and don't put your drinking water in Mason Jars!:lol: On a serious note, I do believe it is cumulatively toxic. But how to avoid it...?

DENNIS - 2-24-2011 at 03:38 PM

Well...they've caught at least one of the shooters and he's saying it was mistaken identity.

monoloco - 2-24-2011 at 05:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Now, THERE'S an Authoritative Source.
It is a sad state of affairs when a popular culture magazine like The Rolling Stone scoops mainstream media organizations. There have been a lot of good articles lately in RS like Matt Taibbi's reporting on the banking fiasco and more recently this:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?page=1

Die Energie zu wissen Der Verschworungsmythos

MrBillM - 3-1-2011 at 10:53 AM

As they "might" say in German regarding the Knowledge of Gnu.

When discussing the myriad conspiracies surrounding us at every moment of every day, it's always better if we can address it in German because it sounds so much more serious and gives more weight to the arguments.

Taking seriously the Gnu Admonition to search for the Seven Sources of Wisdom, I was initially sidetracked by confusing the Gnu Seven Sources with the Seven Seals and David Koresh, but THAT's a different set of Conspiracies. OR, maybe it is all related. Given the time constraints (15 minutes per day), it's difficult to absorb it all.

However, THANKFULLY as luck would have it last night, exploring Amazon.com, I found ONE source which attempts to encompass and summarize the ENTIRE knowledge base and, like other volumes in the same series, it is aimed at "The Rest of Us" who are Gnu-Knowledge Challenged and need to absorb important information in a speedy fashion.

Even better, it IS available in a Kindle version and I excitedly downloaded it ($9.99) so I could IMMEDIATELY begin my educational quest.

Reading until Midnight, I can enthusiastically recommend the volume in whichever version the reader thinks best.

Conspiracy Theories and Secret Societies For Dummies by Christopher Hodapp and Alice VON
Kannon. $13.59 Paperback. $9.99 Kindle.

Anyone with VON in their name "Must" have added insight in this area of knowledge.

The Truth IS out there.

Begin YOUR Journey into the Knowledge of the Enveloping Darkness TODAY.

[Edited on 3-1-2011 by MrBillM]