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New Tires for Tacoma Today: Hankook Dynapros

David K - 2-18-2011 at 12:32 AM

The stock tires on the Tacoma (BFG Rugged Trails) with only 20,590 miles have already had two rock punctures in Baja and a nail up here... tread is getting pretty light... enough/ basta!!

On previous Tacomas I have (after the BFGs) Pep Boys Futura (Destiny now) Dakotas, Cooper Discoverer STTs, Cooper ATRs, and Toyo Open Country ATs.

I like trying tires... I only wish they were way cheaper and didn't last so long so I could try more!

I was wanting to try the new General Grabber (designed after the off road racing model, with red letters), but it is not yet available in a size that fits an un-raised/ un-modified Tacoma... as well as being very pricey (so far).

Now, I need both good and 'cheap'... I have had real good luck with the Toyo and Cooper ATR on my last Tacoma... but, as I said...I like trying new tires that get good reviews from off roaders/ Tacoma drivers... One of the tires that had no bad reviews and just lots of good reports is the Hankook Dynapro ATm.

I went with a tire one inch taller than stock (which adds 1/2" of ground clearance)... 265/75-16 (a 32" tire)... Price about $141... and installed, tax, etc. under $690.

I got them on late this afternoon, so no big test yet... but they were quiet on the road driving home... Stay tuned for future reports!

capt. mike - 2-18-2011 at 05:48 AM

there is no such thing as good and cheap. They are mutually exclusive.

Price, service, quality - pick any combination of 2 out of the 3.

you might try and like the Maypop 500s i used to run with. Excellent retreads. you see them all over the interstates. :lol:

BajaNomad - 2-18-2011 at 06:31 AM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.js...

BajaNomad - 2-18-2011 at 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Price, service, quality - pick any combination of 2 out of the 3.

He did... good + cheap = quality + price.

Frank - 2-18-2011 at 07:18 AM

Im running the same tire {10 ply} on my F350 Crew. 9000# truck goes through tires quickly. I use to run Toyo MT's and AT's great tire but they wear out quickly, 30-35K. So far so good on the Dyna Pros.

gnukid - 2-18-2011 at 07:32 AM

Hmm so DK finally admits that the BFGs suck big time! 20,000 with two rock punctures is a sign of poor quality.

The new tires are used by many people in Baja and here they go for 2600-2800 pesos.

bajatravelergeorge - 2-18-2011 at 08:09 AM

I just put a set of yokohama geolander at-s on my 4x4 ford escape. I'll provide reviews as well.

mulegejim - 2-18-2011 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
I just put a set of yokohama geolander at-s on my 4x4 ford escape. I'll provide reviews as well.

I think you will like them - I have a set on my 2005 Tacoma and really like them. I don't do much off roading, however, I have a friend in Mulege who does and he says the Geolanders are much better than the original factory tires. Jim

goldhuntress - 2-18-2011 at 08:42 AM

I just go to Costco and get Michelins for my Tacoma. The last set I had, and I kid you not , had 100,000 miles on them. The new ones are the comparable to the last, they are Michelin X Radial LT2. After my last time in Baja I took it in to get rotated and the guy comes out and said "I haven't seen these square nails for a while". I knew where those came from!! There were 2 and unfortunately 1 was in the wall and I needed a new tire. Luckily they have road hazard warranty and I only had to pay $50 for the replacement. I do go off road a lot in Baja but mostly I drive on normal pavement.

David K - 2-18-2011 at 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Hmm so DK finally admits that the BFGs suck big time! 20,000 with two rock punctures is a sign of poor quality.

The new tires are used by many people in Baja and here they go for 2600-2800 pesos.

You must not read my tire posts? I am often 'harassed' for being anti BFG, here... The world knows the All Terrain T/A is the #1 Baja (popular) tire...

However, I have seen far too many sidewall failures with a tire that uses the 3 ply sidewall as a selling factor... I would only have them if they were given to me!

The Tacoma Off Road truck (all three of mine) comes with the BFG Rugged Trails... and the most I have gotten from them is 25,000 miles... and that was after several flat tires, too!

I have gotten a flat or two of the Pep Boys Dakotas... they also lasted only 25,000 but were very cheap and had a 50,000 mile warantee so the replacements were 1/2 price!

Not one flat on any of the others (two types of Coopers and the Toyos).... The Cooper Discoverer STT tire gave me nearly 45,000 miles but was very noisy on the highway and was terrible in Sand (but great in mud). The Cooper Discoverer ATR and Toyo Open Country AT, both gave me about 35,000 miles (estimated on the ATR because they were on the '05 Tacoma when I traded it for the '10).

bonanza bucko - 2-18-2011 at 09:01 AM

So....I think I get part of this: BFG "Rugged Trail" tires that are original equipment on the Toyota are junk...duh!....and duh!...that is SOP. But I am confused about David's statement that he has seen too many failures in tires that "advertise a 3 ply side wall." So advertising is bad....duh!...I get it. But David, how many failures have you seen on BFG T/As with 3 ply side walls...advertised or not.

BTW...I am on my 8th!! set of those things and I have never had so much as bump.

BB :-)

bigboy - 2-18-2011 at 09:45 AM

I'm with Bucko! The BFG All Terrain TA KO's are a completely different tire than the BFG Rugged Trail tire. I've owned both and I'm on about my sixth pair of All Terrains KO tires!

I'm not new to 4X4's and tires. I've owned and driven trucks in baja since 1967!

[Edited on 2-18-2011 by bigboy]

David K - 2-18-2011 at 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.js...

Doug, that chart does not have my new tire included... the model I have is the ATm RF10

Here is the Hankook model on your chart... it doesn't even belong rated with the other AT tire, if you ask me!:

[Edited on 2-18-2011 by David K]

Bajaboy - 2-18-2011 at 09:54 AM

DK-

I'm amazed with all the flats you get. I don't want to jinx myself but the only flat I've had in all my years was the result of a nail.

I wonder if there is something else going on besides the tire :?:

David K - 2-18-2011 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
So....I think I get part of this: BFG "Rugged Trail" tires that are original equipment on the Toyota are junk...duh!....and duh!...that is SOP. But I am confused about David's statement that he has seen too many failures in tires that "advertise a 3 ply side wall." So advertising is bad....duh!...I get it. But David, how many failures have you seen on BFG T/As with 3 ply side walls...advertised or not.

BTW...I am on my 8th!! set of those things and I have never had so much as bump.

BB :-)

Plenty... the sidewall failures were all on All Terrain TA's... I was with Amo Pescar on his truck's first Baja trip with brand new All Terrain TAs... sidewall rip... on a sandy road (no rocks around... He and Neal Johns had to put multiple tire plugs to try and seal it, so we would have a spare the rest of the trip. Ask Ken Cooke who also was dismayed by BFG All Terrain failures seen on the trail.

For most folks it is a great tire... but the sidewall construction is not bulletproof when it comes to failures off road. They are also overpriced compared to others... and that is probably to pay for all the advertising?

My wife had a CJ-5 Jeep and it had All Terrains on it, and she LOVED them... so this is a divided house! LOL

I am glad you and others like them... nothing wrong with your joy, at all. :light:

[Edited on 2-18-2011 by David K]

BFG Rugged Trail TAs

David K - 2-18-2011 at 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
DK-

I'm amazed with all the flats you get. I don't want to jinx myself but the only flat I've had in all my years was the result of a nail.

I wonder if there is something else going on besides the tire :?:

On the 2010... flat #1 was at 13,000 miles... nearing Laguna Chapala southbound from Coco's Corner... driving a normal clip (for me) ~35-40 mph. Fixed with one plug... patched the next day in El Rosario.

Flat #2 was at 16,000 miles... just a few miles down the Punta San Carlos road going to Las Pintas. Took two plugs to seal... returned to El Rosario to have a patch installed, then returned to go Las Pintas.

I don't remember getting any flats on the '05, but I did replace them with Cooper STTs pretty young in their life.

On my 2001 Tacoma... many flats on my trip to Cabo... all while on dirt roads... the tires were pretty well worn before the trip.

bonanza bucko - 2-18-2011 at 10:25 AM

DK...kind of sounds like fishing.....I usually get skunked with the same pole mi esposa limits out on.

As above, I've had nothing but continuing good luck with the TAs. If price were not an issue what brand and tire would you buy?

BB:-)

mtgoat666 - 2-18-2011 at 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
there is no such thing as good and cheap. They are mutually exclusive.

Price, service, quality - pick any combination of 2 out of the 3.

mikey:
your 2 statements don't agree. which are you standing by? does your statement apply to all things in life or just tires?

Pacifico - 2-18-2011 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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[Edited on 2-18-2011 by David K]

I will have to agree with you DK about the BFG All-Terrains. I've have had several sets in the past and have had several sidewall problems. It is a known problem with that model of tire..... Now, for offroad, I only run the BFG Baja T/A. It is a very impressive tire!

captkw - 2-18-2011 at 11:03 AM

drove to panama and back...went thru 13 tire's...mostly 16.5 's and the boat trailer were 13" finding those size's in hondura,nicarigo,guatamala,,,,could write a good book about trying to locate those tire's LOL

TheBajaKid - 2-18-2011 at 11:12 AM

Hey DK, what psi are you running? and do you haul a heavy load?

BFG rugged trails suck
BFG T/A KO Good, quite
Goodyear Wrangler Authority - Last long , good offroad, looks good, noisy
Nitto Terra Grappler , short life, soft, quite, good offroad

265 70 17

bajaking76 - 2-18-2011 at 12:35 PM

Hey DK,
Where did you find this deal, I have to replace the tires on my Tundra prior to the trip to Turtle bay later this year.
Any suggestions? I have stock 255/70 R18. I haven't had any luck finding some descent prices in this size..

.Sears is so far the best deal at $180 a pc. :no:

BajaNomad - 2-18-2011 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by Pacifico

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Originally posted by David K

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[Edited on 2-18-2011 by David K]

Seems like I repeat myself on this same subject every so often.

2 sidewall blowouts personally experienced by me on BFG All-Terrain's was enough.

I believe that many teams running BFG A-T's in the 1993 Baja 1000 blew their tires out on the beginning stretch of highway right after the start (and pretty much ONLY teams running BFG at that). This seems to have been information that's been swept under the rug pretty well. In 1994, they didn't use as much highway at the start of the Baja Mil - I presume partially because of this. Both these starts were in Mexicali btw.

Unlike DK, when I found something that worked, and worked, and worked for me... I stuck with it - still today. That would be Bridgestone A/T's. YMMV of course depending on many factors like vehicle size, weight, tire size, PSI, etc.

-
Doug

David K - 2-18-2011 at 01:07 PM

Doug... can you find a better compare tires chart that includes the type of tire I just got?

Also, if I had to... I would go back to the Cooper Discoverer ATR or Toyo Open Country AT which I had on my '05 Taco. I am always looking for better performance, and the only way I can tell is actual use in Baja and the desert, etc. I also read what other Tacoma drivers have reported... Nobody had anything other than good things to say about the Dynapro ATm RF10s...

By-the-way, since you own a Tacoma... there is a Tacoma run out from Pine Valley tomorrow morning... They are a really nice group (SoCal Tacomas) and I did one other run with them a few months ago.

David K - 2-18-2011 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by TheBajaKid
Hey DK, what psi are you running? and do you haul a heavy load?

BFG rugged trails suck
BFG T/A KO Good, quite
Goodyear Wrangler Authority - Last long , good offroad, looks good, noisy
Nitto Terra Grappler , short life, soft, quite, good offroad

265 70 17

I just got them on yesterday afternoon and drove less than 2 miles to my home... I am going to start trying them at 35 psi.

No, I usually only have my irrigation parts and tools in my truck... Only time it gets heavy is for a trip to Baja with gear and two ice chests...

David K - 2-18-2011 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by bajaking76
Hey DK,
Where did you find this deal, I have to replace the tires on my Tundra prior to the trip to Turtle bay later this year.
Any suggestions? I have stock 255/70 R18. I haven't had any luck finding some descent prices in this size..

.Sears is so far the best deal at $180 a pc. :no:

At the closest place to my home actually! Oceanside Tire and Auto (College and Hwy. 76, near Henry's Market). This was after I shopped at two Discount Tire stores (each gave me diffeerent answers and prices!), and Express tire store and an idependent tire place on Emerald in Vista.

As I said before... I can say good things about Toyo and Cooper models named... time will tell on these Hankooks. I did have someone I know with a Tundra swear by the Falkins he got (Wild Peaks?)...

Barry A. - 2-18-2011 at 03:16 PM

I am a fan of BFG All Terraign TA KO's, as I have said often on this board. I have 3 4x4 vehicles, all with BFG KO's on them. Never had a side-wall cut with the TA KO's---ever. I am wondering if this has more to do with wheel width, than the tire? I was just out looking at my TA KO's and noticed that they have really beefy shoulders, and it would be really difficult for anything to actually get to the sidewalls----the sidewalls are just not vulnerable on my vehicles. Then I noticed that I have rather narrow rims that all of my KO's are mounted on------this of course draws in the sidewalls, making them almost non-exposed to anything on the ground like rocks and staubs of wood, cactus, etc. Wide rims always give better sand flotation, but you do expose your sidewalls to damage with wide rims so I have avoided them. This may at least partially explain why some folks have trouble with BFG TA KO's, and not others.

Just a thought. (this has probably been discussed before)

Barry

monoloco - 2-18-2011 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by mulegejim

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Originally posted by bajatravelergeorge
I just put a set of yokohama geolander at-s on my 4x4 ford escape. I'll provide reviews as well.

I have the Geolanders on my F350 and they seem to be holding up much better than the Nitto Terra Grapplers that I had before.

David K - 2-18-2011 at 05:26 PM

Highway report... Just drove about 60 miles today and can report that the Dynapros are QUIET on the highway!

Tomorrow the mud (and maybe snow) test, unless the run is cancelled!!??

bonanza bucko - 2-18-2011 at 05:58 PM

I completely agree with with Barry A...if you protect the side walls with the shoulders of the KOs I don't see much chance of them puncturing. Also, as I've said, I've been in and our to That Road south of Puertecitos with my BFG TA KO Baja tires for about 10 years...sharp rocks and all..and never had so much as an abrasion on them....ditto a bunch of good buddies.

BB

TheBajaKid - 2-18-2011 at 06:06 PM

Puertecitos south has eatin every brand tire thats dared to travel it. lol
Damn sharp rocks. One went in my bfg had the tire shop at rancho grande put an inside patch on it when they took it off the rim a sharp rock the size of a lighter fell out

David K - 2-18-2011 at 06:08 PM

Soon those 'glory days' of Baja will be but a memory :no:

Barry A. - 2-18-2011 at 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by TheBajaKid
Puertecitos south has eatin every brand tire thats dared to travel it. lol
Damn sharp rocks. One went in my bfg had the tire shop at rancho grande put an inside patch on it when they took it off the rim a sharp rock the size of a lighter fell out

Yep-------the "right rock" will puncture ANY tire!!! I always drive slowly and WATCH for those sharp rocks------it seems to help. :lol:

Barry

luckyone - 2-18-2011 at 06:14 PM

I just put 4 new Hankooks on my car which is a high performance luxury car.
Bought them stateside and all 4 cost me $400. Hankook is a fine brand, Korean. If I had bought a more popular name brand they would have cost at least double....
who cares if they last 30k miles and not 40k? anyway, if you're in mexico, no matter how good of a brand, you're still going to **ck them up in the crappy potholed ridden streets. :no:

Ken Cooke - 2-18-2011 at 07:54 PM

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Ask Ken Cooke who also was dismayed by BFG All Terrain failures seen on the trail.

I stopped running BFGs for this reason. They are expensive to replace, IMO.

Congrats on the tires, David! As you know, I run the Interco TrXus MT. A great tire for Baja, but their prices have SKYROCKETED lately - from $140/tire in '03 to $225/tire in '11. That's normal for a 33"x12.5"r15, but for that price, I am going to try the new Goodyear MTR/K instead.

Intero TrXus MT w/Black Rock D909 15x8" Wheel

David K - 2-19-2011 at 11:57 PM

The tires passed the mud and snow test today with flying colors... I am very happy with these Dynapros, so far!

Before:

During:

After:

Ken Cooke - 2-20-2011 at 12:00 AM

This tire earned high marks in a recent review in one of my 4WD magazines. Where did you encounter the snow?

David K - 2-20-2011 at 12:06 AM

Above Pine Valley (San Diego County, off I-8)... See ALL the photos posted (so far) on TacomaWorld.com here:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/southern-california/141035-...

[Edited on 2-20-2011 by David K]

it's an old but very true addage, especially

capt. mike - 2-20-2011 at 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by capt. mike
there is no such thing as good and cheap. They are mutually exclusive.

Price, service, quality - pick any combination of 2 out of the 3.

mikey:
your 2 statements don't agree. which are you standing by? does your statement apply to all things in life or just tires?

in relation to const and development - but can apply to products:

the 3 variables are low price, high quality and excellent service.

you can usually obtain any combination of 2 of the 3 but rarely can have all 3 simultaneously. So - one might decide which of the 3 he is willing to sacrifice in deferrence to having the others.

one example might be shopping at Walmart - you get low price and excellent service but the quality is poor.

Bob and Susan - 2-20-2011 at 08:00 AM

aren't these hanKOOK tires made in south korea...are ANY tires made in america anymore

sorry david i couldn't resist

woody with a view - 2-20-2011 at 08:01 AM

the only thing made in america these days is DEBT.

bajamedic - 2-20-2011 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
the only thing made in america these days is DEBT.

O quite the contraire my good man, government can invent new FEES on a continual basis and then call them “ new revenue streams”. JH :spingrin:

David K - 2-20-2011 at 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
aren't these hanKOOK tires made in south korea...are ANY tires made in america anymore

sorry david i couldn't resist

Yes... and yes, Cooper... among others perhaps?

BajaGringo - 2-20-2011 at 09:07 AM

I run the Dynapros on my F250 and they have proven to be great tires for our part of the world. I would definitely buy them again next time around...

LancairDriver - 2-20-2011 at 09:09 AM

No sidewall problems with these

Michelin builds these

Michelin 3.jpg - 50kB

Barry A. - 2-21-2011 at 11:34 AM

FOUR WHEELER magazine, April 2011, starting on page 58, they rate and compare 10 "mud-terrain" tires.

The best was the "Hankook Dynapro MT". This is NOT the tire that David K is running, but still an interesting article and definitely puts HanKook as a tire company to watch.

A close second place went to: "Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar" It's not quite a beefy as the Hankook, bur performed well.

(note: "BFG Mud-Terrain T/A KM2" came out 8th in their rating, much to my dismay. )

Barry