BajaNomad - Closure set to begin on Pacific shrimp fishery

Closure set to begin on Pacific shrimp fishery

bajabound2005 - 3-3-2011 at 06:41 PM

Closure set to begin on Pacific shrimp fishery

Friday, March 04, 2011, 03:40 (GMT + 9)

The National Commission on Aquaculture and Fisheries (Conapesca) has ruled that from 23 March, fishing for all shrimp species that reside in marine waters under federal jurisdiction in the Pacific Ocean will be prohibited.

The affected area includes the Gulf of California and estuarine lagoon systems, marshes and bays in the state of Baja California Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa, Nayarit, Jalisco and Colima, stated the director general of Fisheries Management and Aquaculture of Conapesca, Martin Botello Ruvalcaba.

The decision was made based on research and the technical opinion of the National Fisheries Institute (Inapesca), as well as in agreement with producers.

This closure has two main objectives: to protect shrimp stocks during their period of reproduction and the spawning of new generations.

People from the coastal Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of California that produce fresh, preserved on ice or frozen fish products, for sale at wholesale or industrialized locations, should develop an inventory of stocks of shrimp and report to the fisheries authorities.

In addition, those interested in transporting fresh, preserved or frozen on ice fish products originating from fisheries or aquaculture in coastal areas where the ban is set, including marine littoral states and any within entities of interior states, must comply with the requirements of this Act and the Regulations of the Fisheries Act.

For its part, the Ministry of Agriculture, Livestock, Rural Development, Fisheries and Food (Sagarpa) will release the completion date of the closure through Conapesca, which will be set based on biological research and surveys carried out by experts from Inapesca.

By Analia Murias
editorial@fis.com
www.fis.com

David K - 3-3-2011 at 06:53 PM

So Sonora and Baja Ca. Sur are named... but not the state Baja Ca. (Norte)? Is San Felipe spared from such eco-fascism? Is the northwest half of the gulf going to overburdened with shrimpers who are chased out of the other Mexican states? Maybe it is just an oversight to leave out the state of Baja California from the list???

monoloco - 3-3-2011 at 07:38 PM

DK, why is responsibly managing a fishery "eco-facism"?

woody with a view - 3-3-2011 at 07:39 PM

ditto.

David K - 3-3-2011 at 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monoloco
DK, why is responsibly managing a fishery "eco-facism"?

Because to leave Baja California out of the no fish zone would mean all the other shrimpers would flood to San Felipe to continue to make a living!!! That is crazy, not 'responsible'!

If it waas an error to not include Baja in the list, then how is halting a trade 'managing'? That is not managing... that is stopping? I didn't know shrimp were as endangered as Totuava or turtle?

monoloco - 3-3-2011 at 08:06 PM

I was under the impression that this was an annual closure to allow the stocks to recover.

Skipjack Joe - 3-3-2011 at 08:49 PM

Yes, the omission of BCN is surprising because Sonora and BCN share the same body of water. The fishermen on one side will have to know when they've reached the waters they're not allowed to fish. That opens the door for graft.

The other confusing point is a full closure to "to protect shrimp stocks during their period of reproduction and the spawning of new generations".

That suggests that they are creating a fishing season for these shrimp - a seasonal closure. Why would you need a complete closure to accomplish those goals.

Anyway, I hope it's true but I gotta see it to believe it.

Bajaboy - 3-3-2011 at 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monoloco
DK, why is responsibly managing a fishery "eco-facism"?

Because DK wanted to sound like Glenn Beck :lol:

bajalou - 3-3-2011 at 09:19 PM

I think it's done every year.

David K - 3-3-2011 at 09:24 PM

Then this isn't Baja News... if it is normal... and as long as I have been going to the San Felipe area... umm, that would be starting 46 years ago... there has ALWAYS been a shrimp season (and naturally a non-shrimp season too!

Bajaboy... Glenn who? Never have listened to him, is he good?

dtutko1 - 3-4-2011 at 06:34 AM

Quote:

Bajaboy... Glenn who? Never have listened to him, is he good?

DK
He's one of those drug addicts like rust limbaugh who make a good living in the media scaring he hell out of people.

Pescador - 3-4-2011 at 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by dtutko1
Bajaboy... Glenn who? Never have listened to him, is he good?

DK
He's one of those drug addicts like rust limbaugh who make a good living in the media scaring he hell out of people.

What a well informed, intelligent discussion. When you are able to pull all of the educated, informed, and sincere people either of these men pull every day on radio or TV then you may have a valid platform, until then it looks like fanatical raving of a person who disagrees.

Pescador - 3-4-2011 at 07:06 AM

Okay, instead of some political rant of which side is right or left or whatever, here are the people who are directly responsible. Perhaps if enough of you caring political activists would bother to send an e-mail, perhaps they might reconsider adding Baja California and Sonora to the list.

Key people & contacts:
Jefe de Exportaciones
Mr Alejandro Godoy
Phone: +1-669 913 0889
agodoyr@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx
Mr Jerónimo Ramos Sáenz Pardo
Phone: +1 669 9130 908 al 09
Fax: +1 669 913 0907
conapesca_estadistica@yahoo.com.mx;

Mr Jesus Jardon Olvera
Phone: +1 669 9130 894
jjardono@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx
Direccion de Difusion
Mrs Gabriela Herrera
Phone: +52 669 913 0902
sinaloac@hotmail.com

Mr Cornelio Montaño
cmontanoc@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx
Lic Guillermo Barnes
Phone: +52-669 915 6900 int 1525
gbarnesl@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx

Lic Pedro Meza
Phone: +52-669 915 6900 1805
pmezaj@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx
Encargado de estadistica pesquera
Mr Manuel Marrufo Herrera
mmarrufo@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx

Encargado de estadistica pesquera
Mr Manuel Marrufo Herrera
mmarrufo@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx

Lic Guillermo Barnes
Phone: +52-669 915 6900 int 1525
gbarnesl@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx

Direccion de Difusion
Mrs Gabriela Herrera
Phone: +52 669 913 0902
sinaloac@hotmail.com

Mr Jerónimo Ramos Sáenz Pardo
Phone: +1 669 9130 908 al 09
Fax: +1 669 913 0907
conapesca_estadistica@yahoo.com.mx;

Address: Camarón Sábalo s/n esq. Tiburón, Fracc. Sábalo Country Club - C.P. 82100
City: Mazatlán
State: Sinaloa (82010)
Telephone: +52 669 915 69 00
Homepage: Link to Homepage
Email: uenlace@conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx

Spearo - 3-4-2011 at 08:02 AM

I'm no shrimp biologist but it could be that shrimp don't spawn in the waters of BCN due to temperature or other environmental reasons.

woody with a view - 3-4-2011 at 09:00 AM

shrimp migrate?

mtgoat666 - 3-4-2011 at 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabound2005
fishing for all shrimp species that reside in marine waters under federal jurisdiction in the Pacific Ocean will be prohibited.

The affected area includes the Gulf of California and...

for the reading-challenged:
(1) it's a news article, if you want details read the source documents. reporters spend very little time writing articles, and articles are more often than not have incomplete of incorrect information. duh!
(2) "The affected area includes the Gulf of California..." sounds like that includes San Felipe

nothing wrong with eco-fascism. it is obvious that eco-democracy doesn't always do a good job of protecting the environment. :lol:

Spearo - 3-4-2011 at 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
shrimp migrate?

All sorts of animals (and some plants) migrate. Mammals, reptiles, birds, insects, fishes, crustaceans, cephalopods...driven by food, reproduction, density-driven dispersion and habitat.

I'm getting ready to migrate myself!

mtgoat666 - 3-4-2011 at 10:35 AM

Try this website for fishing regulatory info:
http://www.conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx/wb/cona/cona_inicio

and off-topic, here is a nice mexico weather website (actually, not offtopic, as weather relates to everything):
http://smn.cna.gob.mx/

Conservation

toneart - 3-4-2011 at 10:37 AM

...is a good and necessary thing. Not something to be politicized. To do so is to perpetrate potential harm. :smug:

Dave - 3-4-2011 at 10:44 AM

The argument is pointless. Closure or no closure, if Mexican fishermen want to shrimp then they're gonna shrimp.

Cypress - 3-4-2011 at 10:53 AM

If we didn't have laws and regulations that enforce conservation there wouldn't be anything to conserve. Bag/catch limits, size/sex limits, methods, seasons, closed areas/refuges etc. are the only reason some species aren't already extinct. Politicians do only what the voters force them to do.

Skipjack Joe - 3-4-2011 at 11:13 AM

This recommended site:

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

Try this website for fishing regulatory info:
http://www.conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx/wb/cona/cona_inicio

contains this link:

http://www.conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx/wb/cona/01_de_marzo_de_2011_mazatlan_sin

which is the spanish version of the first post on our thread.

Martyman - 3-4-2011 at 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spearo

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
shrimp migrate?

I'm getting ready to Hibernate!

Bajahowodd - 3-4-2011 at 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toneart
...is a good and necessary thing. Not something to be politicized. To do so is to perpetrate potential harm. :smug:

Of course. Tell that to the folks seeking to gut the feds control of greenhouse gasses. Or to the folks who deny evolution.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that DK was basically disingenuous when he feigned ignorance of Geln Beck.

Sometimes, I think that the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was actually a documentary.

David K - 3-4-2011 at 05:25 PM

I am going out on a limb and say you really should try and know the people you like to name as disigenuous. I have never listened to the Glenn Beck (sp?) show... and have only seen him briefly on TV with O'Reilly (sp?).

Come on over here and have a Pacifico with me, if you are going to want to keep bringing up DK this and DK that... so you can speak with some authority... or find another subject, perhaps? There are plenty of Nomads who know me well, and they don't seem to have a need to use me like you do... Let's enjoy each other's contributions and quests for knowledge or at least having a good time in Baja, okay?

Bajahowodd - 3-4-2011 at 05:35 PM

There have been three versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

But I will always prefer the 1956 b&w version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jzblCbsuA

mtgoat666 - 3-4-2011 at 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
There have been three versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

But I will always prefer the 1956 b&w version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jzblCbsuA

those who have been snatched will deny they have been snatched.

and many people deny facts to validate their (mis)behaviour :lol:

woody with a view - 3-4-2011 at 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
I am going out on a limb and say you really should try and if you are going to want to keep bringing up DK this and DK that... so you can speak with some authority...

i stand by, "DK, THAT!" :lol:

[Edited on 3-5-2011 by woody with a view]

Cypress - 3-4-2011 at 05:48 PM

Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.

toneart - 3-4-2011 at 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.

Are there two of you posting as Cypress? :?:

Sometimes one of you sounds quite rational.

shari - 3-4-2011 at 09:04 PM

I showed Juan his and he too said this is an annual closure...they do it every year here during the reproductive cycle...not real news.

mtgoat666 - 3-4-2011 at 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
There are plenty of Nomads who know me well, and they don't seem to have a need to use me like you do... Let's enjoy each other's contributions and quests for knowledge or at least having a good time in Baja, okay?

dk:
you are a lightning rod that has no idea he is a lighting rod. if you are going to say inflammatory things, don't be surprised when you get blowback.
have a nice night!
peace out!
yes we can!

mtgoat666 - 3-4-2011 at 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cypress
Have watched Glenn Beck and listened to Rush Limbaugh. They're both more interesting than anything the liberal crowd has to offer.

oberhauf, maddow and the bald louisianan are much more entertaining than beck and the big fat liar!

Skipjack Joe - 3-4-2011 at 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
I showed Juan his and he too said this is an annual closure...they do it every year here during the reproductive cycle...not real news.

Shari,

Can you please explain what you mean.

An annual closure means closed all year. Shrimp reproduce during certain times of the year. "They do it every year during the reproductive cycle" is seasonal closure.

The article really sounds as though commercial shrimping will terminate indefinitely in those areas starting March 31st.

redhilltown - 3-5-2011 at 01:35 AM

DK...you threw out the term "eco fascism". YOU threw the first bomb...there could have been mistakes in the post and the areas named. You equated the REPORT of a shrimp closure with a word that has associations with some serious death and destruction...you didn't mean it that way of course but words count.

Just because there were shrimp in San Felipe when you first went there is meaningless and irrelevant. How many antelopes are in Antelope Valley? They wouldn't cross man made barriers and died off...conservative friends laugh and say if they are that stupid they should die.

Shrimping is brutal. So tell us in your own words, how shrimping is done...the methods...the nets...the bycatch...the rollers across the ocean floor. Or is all of that meaningless when you buy a kilo on the beach in San Felipe and butter it down with garlic over the fire? I have camped with Alaskan fishermen at Gonzaga who were incensed how close the boats were in the bay...they KNEW what those boats were doing to the ocean floor and it ain't pretty.

That said, I know people have to make a living and you can't just shut everything down but at the same time IT MAY be possible to be responsible and to manage the industry so the children of the fishermen will have something to catch.

Cypress - 3-5-2011 at 05:46 AM

toneart, :lol:

David K - 3-5-2011 at 08:10 AM

Forcing an entire industry with countless families depending on its income out of business over an ecological concern (that has never been discussed here) is eco-fascism. If the number of shrimp were so few, then the fishermen would have already planned for a change... They don't need a bureaucrat to tell them to change what they catch if the numbers are still large.

I did qualify my comments to the post if it perhaps was in error... and from what Shari posted, it was. Case closed.

Perhaps some freedom of ideas shouldn't frighten you, just read and process. Don't have so much faith in government and so little in the PEOPLE who are actually doing the job of feeding others.

Pescador - 3-5-2011 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by Dave
The argument is pointless. Closure or no closure, if Mexican fishermen want to shrimp then they're gonna shrimp.

Actually, very few, if any, of the shrimpboats are owned by a local fisherman who is trying to feed his family. Most are owned by companies who hire the crews to fish and while they may tell the guys to go out but be careful, it is a whole different story than the lone panguero.
There is some small, limited, shrimping done with a net and a panga, but it is usually in the bays when the grass shrimp are thick, and usually occurs late summer and early fall.

Spearo - 3-5-2011 at 08:42 AM

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This is nonsense. Commercial fisheries have destroyed many fish stocks, atlantic cod and bluefin tuna come to mind. The atlantic cod fishery was destroyed while people stood around and watched because too many folks were making too much money from its exploitation.

Biological systems have to be managed proactively, there is a time lag between human actions and the response of the system. To say market forces will protect a fishery is laughable and demonstrably false.

mtgoat666 - 3-5-2011 at 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Forcing an entire industry with countless families depending on its income out of business over an ecological concern (that has never been discussed here) is eco-fascism. If the number of shrimp were so few, then the fishermen would have already planned for a change... They don't need a bureaucrat to tell them to change what they catch if the numbers are still large.

I did qualify my comments to the post if it perhaps was in error... and from what Shari posted, it was. Case closed.

Perhaps some freedom of ideas shouldn't frighten you, just read and process. Don't have so much faith in government and so little in the PEOPLE who are actually doing the job of feeding others.

most all natural resource harvest industries need regulation, otherwise you will see short-sighted harvesting with no regard for sustaining the resources.
solo fishermen do a very poor job of self-regulating. govt control of seasons is best means of sustaining species. the fishing coops are themselves govt-type organizations. maintaining sustainable fish stocks does not occur without regulation by a unified body, be it govt agency or coop (I assume you say any regulations is fascism?)

Cypress - 3-5-2011 at 08:58 AM

The Tragedy of the Commons. Same old story.

shari - 3-5-2011 at 09:03 AM

igor...I used the wrong words...what I meant to explain was that every year...annually, shrimping is not allowed for a time during what is referred to as a reproductive time...sounds like they plan to announce when it will open again. I didnt get that it was closed indefinately or forever...but that it was a closure for reproductive time which they do with lots of species like lobster, abalone, caracol, clams, oysters etc.

the fisheries here do active analysis and evaluations of stocks and establish quotas from that data. Open seasons are based on when they arent reproducing or spawning.

excellent points redhilltown, pescador, spearo.

It would make it a happy day for me and the ocean to see commercial shrimping disappear

Russ - 3-5-2011 at 09:10 AM

6 shrimpers parked out front this windy morning.

durrelllrobert - 3-5-2011 at 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Because to leave Baja California out of the no fish zone would mean all the other shrimpers would flood to San Felipe to continue to make a living!!! That is crazy, not 'responsible'!

same thing happened when salmon fishing was cut off in oregon; the commercial boats just all moved down to half moon bay, CA

Pescador - 3-5-2011 at 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

most all natural resource harvest industries need regulation, otherwise you will see short-sighted harvesting with no regard for sustaining the resources.
solo fishermen do a very poor job of self-regulating. govt control of seasons is best means of sustaining species. the fishing coops are themselves govt-type organizations. maintaining sustainable fish stocks does not occur without regulation by a unified body, be it govt agency or coop (I assume you say any regulations is fascism?)

One of the real problems with governmental regulation occurs when political ideology gets in the way of common sense and truth. Witness the closures that have happened in California where a vocal minority were able to close off major areas to any recreational fishing. That was overkill even admitted by the more sane environmentalists involved but the far left thinkers were able to get the closures done because they had more political clout and strength.

Another example is the complete strangulation of the oil drilling and development which puts us at the mercy of the Middle East when there is enough oil to solve the whole problem by opening up ANWAR, but the environmentalists have such an aversion to even considering what might be at stake that they are unable to even consider whether or not that drilling there might be an acceptable option.

So, as with this discussion, I am afraid that one's political pre-disposition will always cloud the facts to the point of making it very hard to come up with sensible, common-sense solutions. If the balance was just maintained between the two sides and they were able to come to the table with reason and sensibility, then I am sure that solutions could be developed where everybody wins. Neither side seems to have quite the correct solution. The real problem seems to be that neither side has it completely figured out.

CaboRon - 3-6-2011 at 07:04 AM

What is ANWAR ?

Cypress - 3-6-2011 at 07:54 AM

The Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.

monoloco - 3-6-2011 at 02:15 PM

I'm sure that the day will come when ANWAR is exploited, anything that delays that is probably good because when the Saudis run dry we will really need that resource. Currently there is an oil glut on the world market, the oil in ANWAR isn't going anywhere, just imagine what it will be worth in 50 or 100 years.

LaloinBaja - 3-6-2011 at 02:28 PM

Yeah...The "mordida" thing will line some pockets...Who's going to patrol the areas???? They will be on the take to....for sure...Lalo

Cypress - 3-6-2011 at 02:29 PM

monoloco, What will it be worth in 50 to 100 yrs.? Nothing! We can only hope! :biggrin:

Shrimp Area Fisheries Closures

LaloinBaja - 3-6-2011 at 02:30 PM

:lol:

Joke here is...The Mexican Government operates on a graft system...So nothing will really change...EXCEPT...more pockets will be lined with gold

woody with a view - 3-6-2011 at 02:35 PM

ANWAR. 100 acres in the middle of 100,000 square miles.

you tree hugger's are really something! why not just outlaw oil altogether, now that the chinese are drilling off florida. we should just go back to walking.....

Cypress - 3-6-2011 at 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view[ we should just go back to walking.....

.
The way things are going that's not gonna be an option., it's gonna be the way it is.

norte - 3-6-2011 at 03:50 PM

Boy how this thread has morphed. Typical nomads.. Jump before thinking, and then as the truth comes out...rant with emotion.

mtgoat666 - 3-6-2011 at 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by norte
Boy how this thread has morphed. Typical nomads.. Jump before thinking, and then as the truth comes out...rant with emotion.

...and then get really peey and take their toys and go home.

you can't go home again. the boomers have destroyed it.