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American killed in LA Bay

tripledigitken - 4-5-2011 at 01:08 PM

Does anyone have details on this?

http://www.elvigia.net/noticia/asesinan-dos-menores-ciudadan...

Condolences to his family and friends.:(


Google translation

Bahia de los Angeles, B. C. - An American citizen was killed Saturday afternoon in the delegation of Bay of Angels, apparently by two children who have already been submitted to the authorities.
It was after 16:00 pm on Saturday, when elements of the Municipal Police of the delegation gave notice to the state police about the murder of American citizen.
After the call, staff researchers, experts from the Attorney and the Attorney General, the delegation moved to above, to carry out the proceedings.
Once on the scene, had before it the body of a male person who-for versions of the locals, was a tourist who was in the delegation.
The body was found in the Casas Díaz courtyards with different blunt blows to the head and face injuries that caused his death hours later.
Because the footprints found at the scene, it was determined that the man identified with the name of Stephen Marck, 48, apparently had a fight with several subjects.
In conducting investigations, the state police, supported by municipal, secured two minors allegedly involved in the murder.
Young people between 16 and 14 years were submitted to the Public Ministry of the civil courts to be brought to the city of Ensenada, and be available to the public prosecutor for Teen.
Forensic Medical Service Personnel (Semefo), made the removal of the corpse, which was moved to its facilities, where they will perform the autopsy to determine the exact cause of death.



[Edited on 4-6-2011 by tripledigitken]

Bajahowodd - 4-5-2011 at 01:36 PM

Sounds almost incredible. Blunt force trauma inflicted by a 14 and a 16 year old. :no:

toneart - 4-5-2011 at 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Sounds almost incredible. Blunt force trauma inflicted by a 14 and a 16 year old. :no:


Not good news!

Howodd, I don't think that sounds incredible. 14-16 year olds can be pretty big, especially if they had bad intentions, surprised the guy and/or caught him off guard...or sleeping.

Like all stories of this nature, we don't know the circumstances and all of our conjecture is worthless, until the facts are in.

tiotomasbcs - 4-5-2011 at 02:38 PM

I'm curious as the where his family and friends were? The locals must know these kids and their backgrounds. It's always a surprise when bad things happen in rural areas! Wasn't someone beaten up badly a year ago in La Bocana/Central Pacific Coast area?! Our sweet life here has some sharp edges even in el Campo. Con Cuidado, Amigos Tio

Bajahowodd - 4-5-2011 at 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
This is a good reason to not camp alone, or go without a dog or 3 and some sort of weapon.

It is also not a good idea to get in fights with the locals. If a fight, near fight or even a bad vibe happens. Pack up and hit the road. better safe than sorry.

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.


Could happen anywhere, but what made it seem so incredible to me is that this sort of thuggery would seem to occur most often in heavily populated places.

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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Originally posted by fishabductor
This is a good reason to not camp alone, or go without a dog or 3 and some sort of weapon.

It is also not a good idea to get in fights with the locals. If a fight, near fight or even a bad vibe happens. Pack up and hit the road. better safe than sorry.

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.


Could happen anywhere, but what made it seem so incredible to me is that this sort of thuggery would seem to occur most often in heavily populated places.


agreed..however it happens in rural areas as well.

if i had to put a finger on it, I would say these kids were high on crystal meth when this occured. I'd even go as far as to say they weren't local kids, my guess they are out of towners. this would put huge shame on their families and most don't sheet in their backyards for that reason.

mtgoat666 - 4-5-2011 at 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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Originally posted by fishabductor
This is a good reason to not camp alone, or go without a dog or 3 and some sort of weapon.

It is also not a good idea to get in fights with the locals. If a fight, near fight or even a bad vibe happens. Pack up and hit the road. better safe than sorry.

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.


Could happen anywhere, but what made it seem so incredible to me is that this sort of thuggery would seem to occur most often in heavily populated places.


agreed..however it happens in rural areas as well.

if i had to put a finger on it, I would say these kids were high on crystal meth when this occured. I'd even go as far as to say they weren't local kids, my guess they are out of towners. this would put huge shame on their families and most don't sheet in their backyards for that reason.


mcpez, that's a lot of guesses!

i am still puzzling over comment that a murder in a hotel courtyard is reason to travel with a militia and at least 4 dogs when camping.

norte - 4-5-2011 at 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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Originally posted by fishabductor
This is a good reason to not camp alone, or go without a dog or 3 and some sort of weapon.

It is also not a good idea to get in fights with the locals. If a fight, near fight or even a bad vibe happens. Pack up and hit the road. better safe than sorry.

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.


Could happen anywhere, but what made it seem so incredible to me is that this sort of thuggery would seem to occur most often in heavily populated places.


agreed..however it happens in rural areas as well.

if i had to put a finger on it, I would say these kids were high on crystal meth when this occured. I'd even go as far as to say they weren't local kids, my guess they are out of towners. this would put huge shame on their families and most don't sheet in their backyards for that reason.


OHH PLS. Couldn't be some dumb and drank macho tourist, could it? Probably happened outside the bar

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by fishabductor
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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Originally posted by fishabductor
This is a good reason to not camp alone, or go without a dog or 3 and some sort of weapon.

It is also not a good idea to get in fights with the locals. If a fight, near fight or even a bad vibe happens. Pack up and hit the road. better safe than sorry.

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.


Could happen anywhere, but what made it seem so incredible to me is that this sort of thuggery would seem to occur most often in heavily populated places.


agreed..however it happens in rural areas as well.

if i had to put a finger on it, I would say these kids were high on crystal meth when this occured. I'd even go as far as to say they weren't local kids, my guess they are out of towners. this would put huge shame on their families and most don't sheet in their backyards for that reason.


OHH PLS. Couldn't be some dumb and drank macho tourist, could it? Probably happened outside the bar


Even if the guy was a drunk and macho tourist, he was still murdered.

I am just saying lots of the violence/crime these days seem to involve meth.

[Edited on 4-5-2011 by fishabductor]

BajaBlanca - 4-5-2011 at 04:07 PM

the incident in la bocana never got solved ....we still don't know why it happened BUT everyone believes the perpetrator(s) were on drugs - crystal meth is not rampant but it is very present here .....

it is also speculated that the Americans had a drug deal gone bad ??? like I said - all speculation.

and the bottom line is, the ruthlessness of the attack here was horrible. And the strangest part is that Others on the beach were not attacked and had no idea anything untoward had even occurred.....all weird.

Bajahowodd - 4-5-2011 at 04:22 PM

Crystal meth, eh? So, does this mean the US is going to have to legalize that along with pot?:P:P

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Crystal meth, eh? So, does this mean the US is going to have to legalize that along with pot?:P:P


god...I hope not. If that happens, I will never return to the states.

Cypress - 4-5-2011 at 04:30 PM

No. Meth, unlike pot, is a very dangerous drug.

805gregg - 4-5-2011 at 06:01 PM

At least they were caught, not that it will bring back the poor victum, but it seems in most cases no no ever gets caught. That's why they feel they can get away with these horrible crimes.

woody with a view - 4-5-2011 at 06:02 PM

sometimes it's like beating your head against a wall, talking with that DK......

marv sherrill - 4-5-2011 at 06:20 PM

Here in LAbay now - I knew 20 minutes after the "crime" - Not a tourist but a gringo who married a local with 2 kids years ago, - big family squabble over drugs and one of the kids whacked his step dad with a pipe in Diaz's parking lot. They are in jail now. I was at the crime scenc with the body about an hour after it happened. It has pretty much blown over but the locals do not want the "tourist killed in LA Bay" to become LA Times news. It was unfortunate, but they are hurting enough without rumors flying - thank you nomads for your support - Marv

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by marv sherrill
Here in LAbay now - I knew 20 minutes after the "crime" - Not a tourist but a gringo who married a local with 2 kids years ago, - big family squabble over drugs and one of the kids whacked his step dad with a pipe in Diaz's parking lot. They are in jail now. I was at the crime scenc with the body about an hour after it happened. It has pretty much blown over but the locals do not want the "tourist killed in LA Bay" to become LA Times news. It was unfortunate, but they are hurting enough without rumors flying - thank you nomads for your support - Marv


thanks for the local knowledge...what a shame, and a tragic loss of life.

fandango - 4-5-2011 at 06:29 PM

uh oh!! until more information is available this thread may be headed in the wrong direction.





thanks marv for the update. what a terrible thing for that family.


[Edited on 4-6-2011 by fandango]

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by fandango]

Tano - 4-5-2011 at 07:04 PM

Wrong thread. Sorry.

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by Tano]

Ken Cooke - 4-5-2011 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Wow. My wife will be happy to hear this. Not.


I won't be telling mine...We're going there in a few weeks. :no:

BAJACAT - 4-5-2011 at 07:14 PM

I think the name of this thread should be change...

bajario - 4-5-2011 at 07:17 PM

Love triangle was in refernece to the guys killed at the San Ysidro PoE.

Wrong Murder.

Tano - 4-5-2011 at 07:17 PM

You're right. I'm in the wrong thread.

Isn't it weird, though? This is starting to look like a police blotter.

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by Tano]

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by Tano]

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-5-2011 at 07:24 PM

While I was in El Rosario recently two women committerd a strong arm robbery against a very old Mexican man by clubbing him on his head and stealing around $6,000.00 Pesos.

tripledigitken - 4-5-2011 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by BAJACAT
I think the name of this thread should be change...


I did just that.

The description of the victim "tourist", was in the article, but isn't needed in the title given the conflicting account by Marv.

What was a single tragedy is now possibly a triple tragedy; the death, purportedly resulting from drug use, and committed by step-sons.:(

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
While I was in El Rosario recently two women committerd a strong arm robbery against a very old Mexican man by clubbing him on his head and stealing around $6,000.00 Pesos.


what is this world coming to?:no:

tripledigitken - 4-5-2011 at 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Nah, Diaz's is the heart of town.
Town ain't what it used to be. You can definitely tell who the tweakers when were in town.......


Soulpatch,

How long has that been the case? Not surprised by your statement, just haven't noticed it as a casual visitor. Is there any community support for dealing with the problem?

Ken

slimshady - 4-5-2011 at 09:48 PM

Was he wearing a Giants' jersey and the kids were Dodger's fans?

Paulina - 4-5-2011 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by slimshady
Was he wearing a Giants' jersey and the kids were Dodger's fans?


Poor taste. Too many lives have been changed because of this tragedy. Why make such stupid comments?

My heart goes out to all of those involved.


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David K - 4-5-2011 at 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by marv sherrill
Here in LAbay now - I knew 20 minutes after the "crime" - Not a tourist but a gringo who married a local with 2 kids years ago, - big family squabble over drugs and one of the kids whacked his step dad with a pipe in Diaz's parking lot. They are in jail now. I was at the crime scenc with the body about an hour after it happened. It has pretty much blown over but the locals do not want the "tourist killed in LA Bay" to become LA Times news. It was unfortunate, but they are hurting enough without rumors flying - thank you nomads for your support - Marv


Thank you Marv for the facts and also to double confirm that it was not a tourist camping on the beach as someone replied earlier ( but in the Diaz courtyard, just as Ken had posted). Sorry that such a tragic event happens and that you had to go through seeing the results.

fishabductor - 4-5-2011 at 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by Tano
Wrong thread. Sorry.

[Edited on 4-6-2011 by Tano]


surprised DK let you get away with that...:lol:

grizzlyfsh95 - 4-6-2011 at 06:54 AM

Meth is the most evil of drugs. Heroin and Opium are bad, but meth is really poison.

BajaBlanca - 4-6-2011 at 03:00 PM

sad story. very sad.

marv sherrill - 4-6-2011 at 06:39 PM

gracious - today its blown over - no new info - from my amigos in town, it was strickly a family matter that got out of hand with mucho drugs involved- not many gringos in town at this time but always plenty of observers around Diaz's - and it happend just inside the entrance from the launch ramp , it was pretty visible - thank you all for your support and concern, Marv

Paulina - 4-10-2011 at 01:57 PM

To set the record straight and to put a stop to the Nomad rumor mill, I've been asked by Paul, aka Pablo, to post in his behalf. Pablo is an American who has lived legally in Bahia de Los Angeles for over twenty years. He is the biological father of the 16 year old young man Pablito, who was involved in this awful event.

The man who died was called Marcos. He was not Pablito's step father as earlier reported. He was an American on the lam, a known drug dealer and user, a drunk and a violent man who had tried to kill Pablito's estranged mother back in September by shooting her in the head.

Pablito's mother had just recently returned to Bahia and had reconnected with her son after walking away from him and his older sister over ten years ago, leaving Pablo to raise both children on his own.

After the shooting/attempted murder Marcos was arrested, but then let go. A couple of months ago Marcos reappeared in town to live in his motor home.

Pablito and his mother went to the man who was the Delagado at that time, and to the Chief of Police to report that Marcos was back, to ask why he wasn't in jail, and to ask for help. They were told that it wasn't their problem.

Last Saturday afternoon Pablito and a friend were at Casa Diaz. Marcos approached Pablito, picking a fight, calling Pablito a f#ucking queer among other things, and pushed Pablito who then picked up a rock to defend himself. He hit Marcos in the head because he was scared. This man had already shot his mother and got away with it. Pablito was afraid of being shot as well.

Pablito is a small framed, skinny little 16 year old, while Marcos was a grown adult in his late 40s.

Marcos went down and Pablito kicked him a few times because he was afraid he would get up.

When Pablito was later arrested he thought it was for fighting, only then did he find out that Marcos had died.

This was a fight between Pablito and Marcos. Pablito was taken to Ensenada. The other young man who was mentioned in an earlier report was just a bystander, not involved, and was released in San Quintin without charges.

Pablo has attained a very good attorney for his son. It is clearly a case of self defense. Pablito was honest with the D.A. in Ensenada,“I didn't mean to kill him, but I'm glad he's dead. He won't hurt my mother anymore.”

The D.A. wants to know why Marcos was not in jail for attempted homicide, as well as who let him out.

I hope this posting will put an end to any further rumors. This family is going through a very difficult time. Pablito is a good kid. He's not into the meth, tweaker scene. This wasn't “a big family squabble over drugs” or a crime against an innocent American tourist.

It was a young kid, protecting himself and his mother from further violence.

As Soulpatch said, “Regardless, I hope if the guy was a bad dude that the kids don't pay too heavy of a price than they already have. I wasn't there so I can't say but some people are just better off dead.”







Edit to add photos w/ Pablo's permission

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[Edited on 10-4-2011 by Paulina]

marv sherrill - 4-10-2011 at 02:06 PM

thanks Paulina for setting the record straight - I don't think that many of the locals here actually understand the entire story. Still a tragic event and I hope it works out well for the boy.

David K - 4-10-2011 at 02:17 PM

Thanks Paulina!

norte - 4-10-2011 at 02:42 PM

A good reason to just walk away.

shari - 4-10-2011 at 02:53 PM

thanks so much for the clarification Paulina. This is so very tragic...not so much for Marcos but for poor Pablito and his family.

Unfortunately this is an all too common occurance here in Baja...sicko gringos on the run hiding out in small villages. These men are really problematic, usually drunks or drug addicts and violent. They are often racist and provoke usually tranquillo mexicanos into fighting. A mexican man will fight to protect the family's honour and this is where the probem lies. We had one such fellow in our village and it so worried me that the same thing would happen as in BOLA...that some father, son or brother would get in a fight with this man and would end up in jail for something that wasnt really his fault. He was in several fights and luckily was not injured much but it was always a concern of mine. Luckily he is gone for now...whew.

We really need to try to protect our villagers from these people somehow....wish there were better mechanisms to detect criminal records of visitors.
So very very sorry again for Pablo...hope he gets off and gets a medal!

[Edited on 4-10-2011 by shari]

woody with a view - 4-10-2011 at 02:59 PM

mom's rule. i'm glad he did what he did..... hopefully, he is humbled by the death and it doesn't affect him as he becomes a young man.

norte - 4-10-2011 at 03:11 PM

wow. you guys are sure quick to judge without the facts. There was an opposite report earlier. shouldn't we wait and see?

burnrope - 4-10-2011 at 03:19 PM

Where's Jerry Springer when you need him?

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2011 at 03:35 PM

there are always at least 2 sides to every murder.

we have heard one spin, now how about the counter-spin???

like all murders involving family violence, we may never know the "truth."

all the parties are so emotionally wrapped up in the mess, probably never get an unbiased telling of the tale.

BajaBlanca - 4-10-2011 at 03:38 PM

I am glad the record has been set straight. no matter what, it is sad ... so sad.

tiotomasbcs - 4-10-2011 at 06:32 PM

Violence is never acceptable. Too bad the kid didn;;;'t get his elders to intervene! It's very hard to figure out jf you live in the village not to speak if you are an outsider! Many people are misunderstood. Ice is everyones enemy ! Vigilantiism?? Teach/watch your children well! Tio